Sodium Thiosulfate Questions
Updated: 09/28/2009
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QUESTIONS ABOUT SODIUM THIOSULFATE AND CALCIUM EDTA
09/28/2009: G. writes: "HOW MUCH SODIUM THIOSULFATE CAN I TAKE PER DAY FOR THERAPUTIC REASONS, HEAL CANCER AND ASSORTED ACHES AND PAINS? 500MG, DISSOLVED IN DISTILLED WATER?
ALSO, HOW MUCH CALCIUM EDTA DO YOU RECOMMEND I TAKE PER DAY TO CLEAN OUT HEAVY METALS AND ARTERIES? 1000 MG PER DAY, DISSOLVED IN DISTILLED WATER?"
10/01/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "A sodium thiosulfate can take as many crystals (rice size) up to one teaspoonful two or three times a day. I don't usually use that sort of dose, but one to three crystals is generally the upper range. First dose may cause diarrhea, thereafter it won't cause it. The sodium thiosulfate is used to reduce the side effects of chemotherapy. As to the healing I generally use aloe vera oil one teaspoon a day, empty stomach.
A calcium EDTA may have problems with excessive calcium buildup in a cancer person hence, you may need three times more magnesium to balance the effect. The calcium tends to promote clotting, and often promote cancer, because of its restriction to circulation. Hence, I won't use calcium EDTA. Enzyme supplements, and plenty is likely to get better results and they do. The EDTA I used is either buffered disodium EDTA, where I add baking soda to neutralize acidity to pH of 7.5 or 8.0. The other EDTA I will use is the tetrasodium EDTA.
It's most important never to forget the major remedy for cancer is bloodroot tincture, hydrochloric acid drops, BHT, and the alkalizine supplements (potassium bicarbonate, sodium bicarbonate, sodium carbonate, potassium carbonate). EDTA will only work if it's tetrasodium EDTA for example because it reduces bloodclotting by removing the excess calcium that blocks circulation. Blocked circulation or thick blood (from excessive protein causing sticky blood) seems to support cancer. Hence the use of enzyme (e.g. protease) and tetrasodium EDTA. As to the maximum dose ot tetrasodium EDTA I generally limit to 25-100 mg. If it's calcium EDTA, I won't use it, unless it's heavy metal toxicity, and in that case it's a mixture.
Ted"
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QUESTIONS ABOUT SODIUM THIOSULFATE
08/04/2008: John from Trang, Thailand writes: "Hi EC & Ted, I have 15 grams of Thiosulfate crystals in a bottle. How much water do I dissolve it in & what % will this give me? I will use it to clean the Thai bottled water of chlorine & me also. Love the site & I am addicted to information. Thanks. John"
08/04/2008: Lewis from Circleville, Ohio, USA replies: "SODIUM THIOSULFATE
1 oz. of S.T.
8 oz. of Distilled Water
4 drops in 8-10 oz glass of distilled water.
thankz for every thing...love this site"
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SODIUM THIOSULFATE AND LUGOL'S IODINE QUESTIONS
07/22/2008: Glenda writes: "I am using sodium thiosulfate to dechlorinate my tap water...but I have question I need answered. After placing a few drops of sodium thiosulfate ( or dechlorinator) in a half of glass water, waiting 3 minutes then adding 6 drops of lugols, the water immediately turn iodine yellow, but after 1 minute all the iodine yellow disappears. Does this mean that when I drink this lugol's solution, than I will not absorb any iodine, because sodium thiosulfate bound with the iodine, and therefore it is not bio-available for internal absorption?"
08/04/2008: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Glenda:
Thank you for your observant questions!
The dark purple elemental iodine will react with sodium thiosulfate to become a clear solution or somewhat yellowish color, to be converted into Iodine thiosulfate. The oxidant iodine will react with antioxidant sodium thiosulfate and the resultant reaction can be safely used. For example, an elemental iodine can react with any hydride compounds, to become hydrogen iodide. This too will convert the purple iodine to become a colorless iodine. Bubbling a hydrogen gas with elemental iodine solution the iodine becomes colorless too.
It should be noted that sodium iodide, potassium iodide are colorless, as is hydrogen iodide. In a manufacturing operation of hydrogen iodide, a hydrazine can be made into hydrogen iodide by reacting with the elemental iodide just the same.
I generally used hydrogen iodide, potassium iodide or sodium iodide taken internally is preferred then an elemental iodide as it is generally less toxic than the elemental iodide. A sodium thiosulfate once becoming an iodine thiosulfate, can also be safely used. The same reaction occurs whenever a chlorine is reacted with sodium thiosulfate, to become sodium sulfate since thiosulfate neutralizes most of oxidative chemicals and toxins the the body to produce a less toxic compound. It is for this reason why I used sodium thiosulfate, either alone or in mixtures to reduce the toxicity in the body or the mixtures I used thereof.
Ted"
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DOSAGE QUESTION
06/05/2008: Art from Hutchins, Texas writes: "Um...Once I get my 10% sodium thiosulphate, how do I mix it for drinking? I can't seem to find any dosage info. How many drops per day?"
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CLARIFICATION OF SOLUTION AMOUNTS
12/28/2007: R writes: "Hello Ted, I assume it was a total error in what you wrote online re: the making of 10% solution of SFS in water when you wrote.... stores sell 100% sodium thiosulfate powder, but I don't know how much to get and a recipe to make 10% solution. It is on a per weight basis. 30 grams of sodium thiosulfate in 100 cc solution of water. 1 cc of water equals 1 gram of water.
Am I correct? isn't it 10 grams SFS to 100cc water or 30 grams SFS to 300cc water?? correct?? not that I would know... anyway, I bought the 100% SFS crystals from a pool house company and it's here now, but I do not know how to mix this together... unless it was NOT an accident that you put 30g sfs to 100cc water... let me know thanx soo much! "
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Robert, A simple way to remember is 1 gram of water = 1 cc = 1 ml = 1 gram of water. This means in 90 ml of water, plus 10 grams of sodium thiosulfate (STS) would get about 10% sodium thiosulfate, roughly. It doesn't have to be exact. If I am working with 30 grams, then it's 270 grams of water to get a 10 STS solution. Here is how it is calculated: Weight of STS/(weight of STS + weight of water) x 100 = concentration of STS% The concentration of STS is based on TOTAL weight. Again all these are approximate figures in my use, and this is the proper way to calculate. You need to divide by TOTAL WEIGHT which equals to weight of STS plus weight of water."
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DETOX QUESTIONS
09/14/2007: Val from San Antonio, TX writes: "I have been eager to try sodium thiosulfate for detox, yet my search for product has not turned up a 10% solution as you mention. Pet stores sell something with 30.2 % sodium thiosulfate and 9.8% EDTA tetrasodium salt. Is this second ingredient safe to use? If so how many drops to use? Chem stores sell 100% sodium thiosulfate powder, but I don't know how much to get and a recipe to make 10%solution. Also how many drops do I take per day? Should I do it every day indefintely or just for a week? My search brought up 2 more Q's.
What about this quote "sodium thiosuilfate reacts with the chlorine portion of the chloramine. The chlorine is eliminated, leaving the ammonia free in the water. As you hopefully know, ammonia is toxic to fish, even in low levels. So, if you use a simple dechlorinator that only contains sodium thiosulfate, you are solving one problem (chlorine) and creating a new problem (ammonia). "
Also does sodium thiosulfate ever turn into bisulfites that I react to that is used as a preservative in wines and veggies? Thank you for your great insights! How will I find your answer?"
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Pet stores sell something with 30.2 % sodium thiosulfate and 9.8% EDTA tetrasodium salt. Is this second ingredient safe to use?
Assuming one bottle is 100 cc, then adding 200 cc more would dilute the sodium thiosulfate to 10%. The math is as follows: 30% sodium thiosulfate contains 3 grams by weight, assuming the 100 cc water is 100 grams. I add 200 cc of water more would result in:
30 grams sodium thiosulfate/(100 cc from original + 200 cc) = 30/300 = 10% sodium thiosulfate.
The edta chelates out heavy metals from the solution and does a good job of metal chelation. So this is synergistic. EDTA therefore is generally safe since the amount actually used is quite small.
If so how many drops to use?
I would use the same drops since I have just diluted it to 10%. If not, assuming it is 30%, then the dose is reduced by 30%. Assuming the original remedy uses 3 drops per glass, that would mean a 30% solution would amount to only 1 drop instead.
stores sell 100% sodium thiosulfate powder, but I don't know how much to get and a recipe to make 10% solution.
It is on a per weight basis. 30 grams of sodium thiosulfate in 100 cc solution of water. 1 cc of water equals 1 gram of water.
Also how many drops do I take per day?
Most people would report laxative effect on first use (or up to 3 uses), thereby, after that, it has no effect at all. Apparently the sodium thisulfate had some detox effect on its initial use.
Should I do it every day indefintely or just for a week?
I use it for a whole month, and sometimes I used it for a couple of months. It seems to helped my liver. One way, not completely reliable, is if the caffeine had no effect on my sleep, it means that the sodium thiosulfate apparently cleansed by liver to such a state that the caffeine can now be detoxified by the liver itself. I have noticed some people who simply had no sleep problems taking caffeinated coffee, and that has very much to do with a well functioning liver, which under normal circumstances, a healthy liver will detoxify the caffeine and resulted in no effect on sleeplessness.
So, if you use a simple dechlorinator that only contains sodium thiosulfate, you are solving one problem (chlorine) and creating a new problem (ammonia). "
Actually the real problem is just the reverse. Chloramine is far more toxic than ammonia to fishes and mammals. And if the drinking water is toxic with chloramine, it kills the fishes and mammals much more efficiently. In case the drinking water is contaminated with chloramine, it stays in the blood, but ammonia is a gas and gets dissipated in the air through normal breathing a lot faster. Normal kidney and liver will detoxify the ammonia relatively quickly, while there is no known way for the liver to detoxify chloramine as efficiently, and hence the extreme toxicity.
Also does sodium thiosulfate ever turn into bisulfites that I react to that is used as a preservative in wines and veggies?
It is very difficult to do that, unless you are boiling the wine in very high temperatures with sodium thiosulfate. Most of the problems have a lot to do with additives high in sulfites that lead to ulcerative colitis and bad dietary habits lacking in zinc which neutralizes the sulfur reducing bacteria."
06/12/2008: Rheanna from Key West, Florida replies: "I have ordered Sodium Thiosulfate from www.chemistrystore.com They have basic prices on things. I have a question, someone had mentioned cosmetic grade Borax, that contains no detergents. Is ,20 mule team, pure borax? Would boric acid be considered cosmetic grade borax? What is the difference, if any, between boric acid and Borax? Thankyou"
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REMOVING CHLORINE WITH ST?
07/12/2006: Nina writes: "Thanks for those suggestions Ted. I already boil the water in a plastic kettle, with an element at the bottom (in contact with the water). Do you know how that affects the water? I'll try the activated charcoal. It's a great idea. Do you think it'll also remove the chlorine? About the iodine.. well, according to what I found out about the water here, it's well treated for bacteria and such, which is exactly why there's way too many chemicals in it. That's my major concern. I have also heard that keeping the water standing for a while helps some chemicals dissipate. Thanks again!"
Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Nina: Early gas masks in during the World War I was made of activated charcoal and they absorb toxic gas, which happens to be chlorine and mustard gas. Of course the antidote to them all is also sodium thiosulfate, the same chemicals you kill the chlorine that you buy from pet shops that sells aquarium fish tanks. They referred to as a dechlorinator and you can use it for treatment of your water as well. Most swimming pool suppliers sell sodium thiosulfate by the kilogram, but you only need a couple of drops per liter of 10% sodium thiosulfate solution to neutralize the chlorine too. Of course, simple activated charcoal will do it without that, but where I live, i always drink water with this sodium thiosulfate to detox my liver anyway and to reduce constipation."
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