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Hear hear....

Hi Bill - Yes it is so frustrating! Thank you for the interesting, and very thought provoking post. You are a treasure to the EC community.

thanks Bill... Low Dose Naltrexone would fall under the same predicament as DCA, and now it is patient driven because it is out of patent. I don't buy into any real conspiracy (unless I have real proof) that the industry would hold back a cure etc. But I do believe they are guilty of profit interest over public health. The rush to label everything as a disease so they can patent a drug seems pervasive... One needs to be cautious, and take control of their health but they are not necessarily always the bad guys.... In just a generation we no longer fear polio thanks to pharma... But.. Like the stock market etc.. it has grown to a self perpetuating beast quick to dismiss anything that cannot be exploited for profit.

Hi Rob... Much thanks for the info on low dose naltrexone, which I know about. Dr Bernard Bihari was the discoverer of the beneficial effects of low dose naltrexone on many autoimmune diseases including various Cancers, MS, HIV AIDS and Fibromyalgia. Other imaginative doctors also ran with LDN including Dr Berkson who has used it successfully together with Alpha Lipoic Acid IVs specifically to repair and heal severe liver problems.

From his website, here are Dr Bihari's own comments on the reasons for autoimmune diseases from his own experience which are clearly very different from the views held by mainstream medicine:

"There exists a common notion that the immune system in a person with an autoimmune disorder is too strong and, in its exuberance, targets a body tissue for attack. Rather, the evidence is more consistent with autoimmunity resulting from immunodeficiency.¹ Kukreja et al have demonstrated that multiple immunoregulatory T cell defects lie behind Type 1 diabetes both in humans and in non-obese diabetic mice.²

Multiple scientific papers from various other research centers have demonstrated that an underlying immunodeficiency is characteristic of any tested autoimmune disease. Examples thus far reported include multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn's disease, and chronic fatigue syndrome. ^{3, 4, 5}

Sacerdote et al measured low beta-endorphin levels in two animal examples of autoimmune disease — a mouse strain with a lupus-like syndrome and a strain of chicken with an autoimmune thyroiditis.⁶ They had significantly lower hypothalamic concentrations of the opioid than normal controls. In each case, the low levels of beta-endorphin were found well before the expression of autoimmune disease. This adds to considerable evidence of a key role for endorphins in regulating immune responses and suggests a therapeutic pathway.

Bihari et al found that a low oral dose of the opioid antagonist naltrexone, when taken at bedtime, led to a doubling or tripling of low levels of circulating beta-endorphin.⁷ Bihari has since treated some 100 people with autoimmune disorders. None of them has progressed further while the patient continued taking low dose naltrexone each night at bedtime. Since no side effects are apparently associated with its use, this medication might well be studied as a possible preventive for Type I diabetes in those youngsters with beta-cell autoantibodies."

Research References: www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ai.htm#Background

And here is a large and interesting list of autoimmune diseases that can benefit from low dose naltrexone use:

www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/index.htm#What_diseases_has_it_been_useful_for

Dear Bill, I am half way a very interesting book: The Trillion Dollar Conspiracy by Jim Marrs. Not only about Big Pharma versus supplements but about a lot of other subjects. One of the ideas I had never thought about is the banning of supplements in order to make sure we are not working on our immune system too much so that we are more susceptible to anything they throw at us. Sounds far fetched but could it be true anyway? I don't know! April is fast approching and then a lot of supplements will be banned here in Europe. People like me will have nowhere to turn to as buying from websites will undoubtedly be prohibited as well!

As far as big Pharma goes it is true that they have to keep you ill otherwise how will they make their profits? If you have the opportunity and the interest read this book and find out about what is making us ill, how they create all the pandemics and much more. Incredible stuff but..... I believe true!

Francisca - many uears ago I shared a premises with a homeopath. She asked a GP why they never reccomended the use of alternative therapies. His answer was that they didn't fully understand how or why it worked as they hadnt any training in that area. Therefore if they reccomended it and it went wrong they were open to legal recrimination as a result of referral. I believe this is why the medical practicioners are willing to go along with this ban. Because they don't understand the priciples of herbalism and nutritional therapies, they cannot reccomend it's use. I have no doubt that Big Pharma is right at the heart of the whole process but medical practitioners cannot get involved in our favour because of a lack of training.

Mr. & Mrs. Average will not know about the ban because not everyone looks at websites/publications that will report it. Maybe as a group we could get together and pick some newspapers to write to. If a lot more than one letter gets written to the editor, they will investigate and report in their daily - then ideally, the regional papers will pick up on it. But we would need a few people to do it as I don't think one or two letter to each paper would be enough. What would you think?

I find this so scarey. Are all plant, mineral, elemental supplements to be banned? I didn't take this too seriously either when first hearing about it. How can you make dried plant material unsellable or minerals?

They can, Mesem...... It scares me too! Dangerous treatments and medication can be used without a problem, supplements can't. I also didn't want to believe that they would manage to get this far..... True that some supplements can be of bad quality, people maybe don't know what they should take, how to combine them but then we should have more doctors (I don't know of any herbal doctor here in France) and there is no quality control, I believe so they can sell you just anything but banning is not the solution! Moreover I think that Big Pharma are now behind a lot of the supplements anyway.... I don't understand...... I think that people will find a way of buying them, maybe on the Internet or illegally which is even worse!

I'm way out of my depth here but would like to know if there is a group protesting against this. I'll in there with them. Will do some research. Happy to have any info.

Me too Mesem but I haven't had the time to do any research and see if there is such a group. We will be moving to the South West of France somewhere this year and we are still hunting for a house. I did sign a petition against it in London a while ago but I guess that it won't help! The people in most health shops either there, here, in Germany or Switzerland (we live near both countries) don't seem bothered. I posted my e-mail address for you.

Francisca:
Found a site where the ANH says they're raising money for a court challenge for the APRIL 30, 2011 effective date of this herbal ban.
But of course they need money for lawyers

www.anh-europe.org/node/3113

After April 2011, many herbal products and food supplements containing herbs will become ILLEGAL. This is because of changes in law at a European level. Traditional Herbal Medicinal Products Directive (THMPD) comes fully into force. After this time, only herbal medicines that have been registered under the scheme will be available EU-wide

Unfortunately, that looks to be only the beginning there, because this link claims that 2011 will also see MPLs, Maximum Permitted Levels, of all nutraceuticals set, levels so low thay will be less than useless

The second phase of the EU Food Supplements Directive: the setting of 'http://www.anhcampaign.org/files/090116 Maximum Permitted Levels' (MPLs) of vitamins and minerals is expected to be implemented this year, although serious doubts have already been cast over the methods being considered for this by the European Food Safety Authority

Thanks a lot Tom. I haven't had time to do any research yet as I am leaving on a trip on Tuesday and I still have a lot to do. Mesem also sent me some information from French sites. I hope to have more time to look into it when I get back.

In the meanwhile I wrote a letter to the paper I mentioned in my last post, let's see if the publish it. They often publish my comments. I went to a health food shop this afternoon and the lady was very distressed as although they sell all kinds of bio products their main income comes from essential oils (no problem there) and supplements. She told me that they are trying to forbid the cheapest, best selling ones. All this has been getting me down something that doesn't happen easily not only because I don't want to start using medication again and going to normal doctors but also because of the lack of freedom. I hate having choice taken away from me..... I have just written to the manufactures of the MSM I bought the other day, Solgar, to ask them if they are going to go as well. They seem to be a big company.

And what will this do to the people who depend on this industry and also natural natural health care providers at a time of crisis? Anyway, natural practitioners are all certified here in France but I don't happen to know any herbal doctors, only homeopathic ones and I don't know whether those will be affected. I think that I will try to buy some stuff before it all ends and I will try to contact the company where my sister-in-law orders her supplements in the UK to see whether they are going to stop or not. I know some things are going on in the US as well but I have no idea what. I hope you will be less affected than us here but it will be maybe just a question of time!

Again after talking to my 'pretty switched on' health food store owner I was dismayed at his lack of knowledge and he said to me that you could and always would be able to buy anything in the USA. I have sent him a pile of info. From several sites but he probably won't have time to read them; he has diversified into running a bio restaurant also so he is trying to survive... I wrote to a polititian here and will contact more. There are no 'letters to the editor' section in French newspapers. I could maybe phone into radio France Inter but have to get my facts right and I'm not clear on anything.

Hi Mesem, Maybe you could still ph in to radio France Inter, not with the information but with the questions is this true and if so what will be the real long term implications for us here in France. Don't give any answers yourself just start the questions to get people thinking. This way you can get it out to the public, who either don't know about it or they don't realize the consequences when it happens. Once you have the correct onfo you can then ring in again. This has obviously been on the EU's agenda for some time without the people knowing. I'm in Australia and I heard the rumours quite awhile ago long before I found this wonderful site. In Australia they are taking things off the market by making them perscription only (eg. Potassium citrate & tryptophan). Good luck.

Merci beaucoup Maria! I will work on some questions and be extra conscious of my pronounciation! The phone calls are not live but recorded so I have to 'do it good'.

Hi Maria, here in Europe it has been on the agenda since 2004. They are going to get rid of the stuff they say they will allow by lowering the daily allowance a lot therefore making the supplements useless (they already are anyway.... What to think about a daily allowance for Vit. C of, if I am not mistaken, 60mg a day?).

Wow!!! I am shocked that supplements are being banned in Europe. Now I know the WHOLE world has gone mad!!! Truly stunned. I thought that it was worse in the US. Our Pharmacuetical and chemical companies are rabid about taking away our God given right to alternative healing!!!!!!

Hi Francisca, Ours is also only 60 mg Vit C daily with an upper limit of 90 mg. It's interesting when I eat the pith of a lemon the need for Vit C that day is a lot less. Certainly more than the RDA though. I suppose the RDA is for the very healthy. ??????? (Look forward to your posts by the way.)

Thanks Maria, to be honest I didn't think that anyone looked forward to my posts..... I still have so much to learn... But I try! As far as the daily allowances go I think that they are often set low because of possible court cases or something. This is just a thought but it might be true. If you set the values very low (and they are going to be lowered) nothing can happen, not bad and not good! They just become useless, therefore many people say that they have tried natural medicine and it doesn't work.

The thing is that natural medicine is very complex and the combinations and amounts have to be right or else you achieve nothing or even worse can harm yourself! I don't know of any natural doctors around here, only homeopaths so if you want guidance you have either to read book or come to a site like this, there is no one to tell you what to do and that is a pity!

I look forward to your posts too Francisca... (as well as a lot of other peoples on this wonderful site! ) :-)

I just ordered the book "Your Body's Many Cries for Water". Due to some of your posts I went and read up on it a bit, and it looks *very* interesting!

The banning Of and Severe restrictions on supplements is frightening. It is one more step that the big pharma companies are taking to make sure that people will get / stay sick and need their wonderful "Medicines". There is no money in it for them for us to be well. It is so frustrating!

Carly

Hi Carly, just saw your post as we were on a trip for a few days. I am glad you are enjoying the book about water (I read Dr. Batman's more recent one). As I had a couple of questions I contacted him only to find out that he has died but his secretary Kirsten gives you all the answers you need as she worked with him for many years. During my trip I carried a little container with sea salt and mixed it in a water bottle so that I could keep on drinking water during the day.

As far as the supplements go you are right, the big companies will go on selling and will get rid of the small ones which were probably more honest in what they produced! I have just contacted one who delivers by mail and yes, they will keep on going but then they are part of a big concern which owns hotels, an airline, etc. That is the way the world is....... But at least I am more reassured that I won't have to give up on everything I take!

But be aware that by now many of the supplements are produced by the Big Pharma anyway. I am not sure that there is no money in it for them as the supplement market is a big one! But you are right, it is scary anyway because it shows that governments can forbid anything they want as well as force us to do anything they feel like! It wouldn't suprise me if in the future vaccines, for example, will be mandatory!

I phoned in to France INTER and did my 2 minutes on the Codex Alimentarius and directive to restrict sales of supplements. Anyone can help by bombarding the European Health Commissioner John Dalli. Even if you are in the Phillipines or Outer Mongolia, you will help stir the pot! Check out Mr Dalli on internet, he does not seem to be one who should have such a responsibility.

To Messem in Toulon, France: Our government here in the US has been trying to do away with American's rights to take supplements for at least 20 years that I know of.

Americans: BEWARE!!! They won't stop until they have their way. I found this article on the internet.

April 27, 2010 - Secretary Sebelius welcomed John Dalli, recently named Commissioner for Health and Consumer Protection in the European Commission, and his delegation to the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS). Commissioner Dalli's delegation included Dr. Paola Testori Coggi, who was named Director General for Health and Consumer Protection in March 2010. Secretary Sebelius was joined by Dr. Howard Koh, Assistant Secretary of Health, Dr. Nicole Lurie, Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response, Dr. Margaret Hamburg, Food and Drug Administration Commissioner, and Dr. Regina Benjamin, the Surgeon General.

Both Secretary Sebelius and Commissioner Dalli noted that the trans-Atlantic exchanges of information and expertise benefit patients and consumers in the United States and the European Union. They pledged to build on the numerous areas of cooperation between HHS and the Commission's Directorate General SANCO. In particular, they discussed plans for a multi-stakeholder conference on childhood obesity, to be held jointly by HHS and the European Commission in early 2011, the continuation of close regulatory cooperation on pharmaceuticals and products of new technologies, and improving the environment for international clinical trials. They noted that collaboration between HHS and the Commission can also contribute to addressing international challenges such as pandemic response and combating counterfeit medicines.

Somehow I don't think that this is true. The health industry is very strong and the profits must be huge so closing it down would be very difficult. I know that there were talks in Britain to stop supplements being sold. Once I was there and signed a petition against it but somehow I don't think that this is true. Here in France most pharmacies even sell supplements and I think that for many it is a big source of income. For me it would be devastating as I try to avoid medication as much as I can and instead take vitamins and minerals. Homeopathic doctors here in France are fully certified. Anyway, this would put a lot of shops and professionals out of work. I hope that it is not true....... In Britain, big shops like Holland & Barrets only sell suplements and they exist all over the country. What a disaster would it be? But we are slaves of the European Union so if they want to do something I am afraid they will do it no matter what! Freedom has been finished here for a very long time!

I hope you are correct, Francisca. Dr. Mercola recently posted an article regarding this that was not so hopeful. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/10/26/drug-companies-win-big-and-eliminate-medical-herbs-from-europe.aspx

If this goes through in Europe the U. S. Won't be far behind. This would be a sad day for us all.

Why did you post no details about this supposed alert?
Was it from an e-mail, or a paid health newsletter?

Who exactly is the editor, or website owner/proprietor of the site where you received it?

There are plenty of paid frauds, shills, scaremongers, disinformation specialists and on and on working for front companies of Big Pharma whose purpose is to get you to waste your time, efforts, organizing, etc. on box canyon schemes! Here's the view of one very credentialed fellow warning about such things and the kinds of people used:
www4.dr-rath-foundation.org/THE_FOUNDATION/Events/codex-agentsofdisinformation.html

Laibow and Stubblebine's persistent spreading of inaccurate and misleading information on Codex

Given Albert Stubblebine's background, and his resulting proximity to the U. S. Government, eyebrows began to be raised in the natural health community in early 2005 when, along with Rima Laibow, he launched the website of the Natural Solutions Foundation and began to promote himself as an expert on Codex Alimentarius.

Hi Lisa, I had to go to the local pharmacy yesterday and asked the ladies there about the law. They didn't know a thing and one said the same thing I did, that the health industry is too big to be stopped. But.... I have heard talks about that before and I know that many would love to finish it off altogether! For me it would be awful (and for millions of other people too, I'm sure) as I rely more and more on health options and want to stay away from normal medicine for as long as I possibly can. I would feel robbed of my human rights.

But for many who maybe don't realize this the European Union is the worst thing that could have ever happened to us. We are slaves of people who only have their own interests at heart and who badly damage the countries who had the bad idea to get associated with them. It costs so much money, you wouldn't believe it and their ideas are as a rule worthless at the best and badly damaging at the worst. Just think that every month they move everything (and it is a huge machine) from Brussels to Strasbourg and back for no other reason than that they feel like it. Their talent for wasting money is shattering!

Anyway, one thing people probably don't realize and which I think is true is that when a company manufacturing supplements starts to make money it is often bought by the Big Pharma so why would they be interested in stopping the sales? The health industry has sadly enough become big business as well. Dr. Mercola says that a lot of people take too many supplements but the problem is that, at least here in Europe, we don't really have doctors specialized in vitamins and minerals. We have homeopathic doctors but that is completely different. At least I don't know any and that is a problem. I read a lot of books, would like to discuss the options with someone but as that person doesn't exist I end taking whatever I feel is right with too little knowledge.

My only help is this site and the nice ladies at the health shops I go to. Do I make mistakes? I am sure I do but what else can I do? And when he says that we should rely more on nutrition that is very true but food is so bad nowadays that I don't think that you can stay healthy without extra help as you will never manage to get enough nutrients. This said I really hope this law won't be enacted because not only people's health is at stake, people's freedom of choice as well but also the way people earn a living. Just think of all the health shops, natural doctors, pharmacies (as they here all sell supplements), supplement manufactures, thousands of Internet sites and so on! It will be a disaster but then so many things are a disaster nowadays!

Actually Tom, I cited the source at the top of my post. However, the news about this is out there. Simply do a search for any combination of keywords. It is being widely reported in the alternative news here. I don't subscribe to Laibow, and don't know the other source you've cited. If you follow what's been going in the countries who have joined the EU, you will see it's indeed a frightening call to arms. We in the US are headed down the same path through the North American Alliance. If you do your research you'll find that the trends are not only alarming, but downright terrifiying in teheir implications. Look into Monsanto and the seed buying. Look into the powers that be that are buying up the water supplies. This latest turn of events involving codex and the health supplements is one more step toward loss of liberty and the time to act is now, all of us, no matter what continent we're on.

For those who care, I am not an "alarmist" nor a "conspriacy theorist. " If you have to put a label on me call me a concerned invidual who doesn't like what's happening in the world. As far as people saying it can't happen here--remember that the "little" health food guys are all being bought up, or have been already, by non-"health" entities. These companies have agendas that are not in our best interest. Their priority is making money and pleasing stockholders. They are not mom and pops or surfer dudes or earth mommas running little shops in Sacramento. Do you know who owns Trader Joe's? A German corporation. Do you know which country spearheaded the push to unify Europe? It was dreamed up by Hitler in the 40's and he had a name for it by 1942: The European Community.

We must wake-up, now. It's hard to stay independent. Once a company is bought quality declines, and the first thing to go are the pure ingredients. When the organic standards were relaxed ages ago, surprise, Walmart got into the "organic" market. GMO's are everywhere. Organic is nearly a myth. I bet if we did a study here in the States we would find that most of the smaller companies we think are independent belong to big corporations. Just so you know, here in the US, as well as in the EU I'm willing to bet, "corporations" have the same rights as indivduals. Watch the movie "The Corporation. " There is a reason they are squeezing out the health supplement market, alternative care (yes, it's happening in the States--look at insurance reform regarding alternative therapies which followed the money crisis). Just follow the money. This latest event with codex is meant to see how much we will take. I hope I have not sounded too vigilant here. It certainly wasn't my intent. But I don't think any of us should be relaxed about the events that are happening around us anymore.

I have heard similar. Though what I've heard is that it will become very regulated. So regulated that any supplements or herbs with any contaminates, even traces of minerals that occur naturally eg: arsenic, cadmium in the minutest amount are deemed to be contaminated and will not be available. Thus companies that can extract elements from (and therefore possibly patent) a natural herb will be able to sell their product, whereas a small company selling the whole herb may not be able to do so. Thus in theory it may sound good but the outcome may be more limiting. This is my understanding but bear in mind I'm in Australia not Europe so my info is very limited. What we are facing here in Australia is some of our food, herbs & spices are being irradiated and not labeled as such. Unfortunately this also includes organic ones. GMO is allowed up to 1% without labeling, Greenpeace have tests results of a respected baby formula having GMO. Also our food labels do not have to include ingredients that are less than 5% of the product unless they are a known allergen or food colouring. This info is a couple of years old and I have not seen the regulations recently. Love this web site, many thanks.

Hi Lane, after having read an article on this subject what I understood is that this is a move to get rid of the small companies producing supplements and to leave it all in the hands of the Big Pharma. By making the licensing very complex and expensive they are sure that anyone else will be wiped out! I agree with you and I said it in my last posting that the little companies are all being bought up by the big ones.

And not only supplement makers, you have probably heard about the story of The Body Shop (no idea whether it exists in the US or not but I suppose it does) which started out being a one woman dream and in the end was bought up if I am not mistaken by L'Oreal. So there you go..... And anyway anyone should be alert because the health business has become so big anyway that the same problems one can encounter in the Big Pharma will be seen there as well: disrespect for your wellbeing, selling just anything in order to get rich......

And it seems they already are, read the post here about the Magnesium Stearate, the fact that most pills contain soy and so on. As far as the United Europe goes people should get informed, even people who don't live here because what is done here can be done elsewhere. Without wanting to go into politics on a site which is not for that effect if you are interested in more information read for example Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein.

I agree with you 100%. Here in the US the corporate giants are killing us with the blessing of the FDA & Dept of Agriculture head Tom Vilsack. People have got to stop drinking the tap water & wake up before it is too late. It's an absolute crime what Monsanto, Archer Daniels Midland, Merck, Pfizer, Proctor & Gamble, Kellogg, Post, General Mills, Yum Foods, to name just a few, are doling out as food in this country. It's killing people and it's a slow death. Because there is profit in people's pain & agony. It's totally disgusting.

I totally agree with you, what is being sold for food ready to eat, it is trash and even if you buy and cook everything yourself, it is still contaminated and the water is bad- God help us. Merryanne in Florida

Well said Jb. I am starting to read a book on MSG and it is amazing how widespread the use of this toxic drug is! When I read the names it hides under I went to have a look at my chicken stock "without MSG added" and yes, it has it under another name, disgusting! So, without knowing I was still eating MSG. What they won't do in order to fool you..... I have just finished reading Adelle Davis' book "Let's get well" and it is interesting to see how worried she was in 1965. I am sure she would have been horrified if she was alive now.

Some more information about Ebola coming out of the "quiet media" in the last few days.

I'm wondering why Liberia's Ministry of Health has already pre-ordered over 1 million hooded Hazmat suits to also include face masks, heavy duty gloves, boots etc. Their pre-order also includes 84, 000 body bags. And that's just a six month sitrep forecast for Liberia by their government.

Here's the report from the Liberian Ministry of Health. Look for the table in blue -- Summary of Stock -- near the bottom of the pdf document:

http://www.mohsw.gov.lr/documents/SITRep 148 Oct 10th, 2014.pdf

~Mama to Many~

I will take the risk of criticizing your post which caught me as suspicious first because it's an article/propaganda from the mainstream big corp, big gov run media dinosaur NBC.

Let me back up a bit and first say that in today's information age of global proportions, it is very important to not subscribe to "general" info fit for the masses. The liberal acceptance may be ok for many, but for the unfortunate few, like this youth, it's tragic. I am still alive after a series of misfortunes do to many factors but mostly because of being very specific in terms of identifying cause & effect. So, to eliminate any error, one must identify the problem exactly and apply a cure exactly, which is what I must always do for myself and what I do here on E.C. for others.

Case-in-point, concerning this lad, what strikes me first as a possible major culprit --Toxic Vaccines. Add on a bad modern diet of adulterated foods, fluoridated water, plus the caffeine and boom, he's gone. Because of "patient confidentiality" we don't know if he was taking any otc or rx drugs. It is very common for many kids to take multiple rx which combined with the above danger items, is like a walking timebomb (cardiac arrest).

I cannot, for one minute, believe this lad was otherwise a very healthy condition. Check out Mike Adams the Health Ranger, broadcast or archives and you will soon agree on my observation. There is way to much going on beneath the surface of every persons life to make a general and easily false assumption.

Now for the cure exactly yet generally. Good, conservative parenting, good, conservative diet & lifestyle. Moderation in all things.

Back in my adolescent days (1970's) with some friends feeling very frolic and wanting to go do anything with extreme excitability of any 16 yr old, and somebody doled out those "yellow jackets" otc caffeine pills, we make it to the theater and tried to watch a movie but my friend took way too many pills and was "freaking out" so we had to leave and did the best we could for him for a few hrs until he was ready to go home again, but still had to deal with parents that didn't know what to do for him or understand the situation. I would guess he took upwards of 1 or more grams of caffeine but didn't have a heart attack and die, but did undergo a major panic attack which lasted several hrs and soon completely recovered. Conclusion, he was generally a healthy individual without major preexisting conditions, unlike the boy, IMHO, in this report.

When I was a teenager many years ago, I bought a pack of white caffeinated pills at the grocery store (snuck them into my mother's cart). I think they were called STAY AWAKE. Something like that. I took just one pill in the morning before high school and had the worst day of my life. I thought I was going to have a heart attack. I went to the nurses station in my school. It was very scary. Since then I stay away from all things that come in a packet or small bottle that has high doses of caffeine. Like the 5 hour energy vials you see sold in gas stations. From personal experience I can tell you that children should NOT consume that much caffeine. It is a danger. Poor boy.

"Energy drinks and whiskey"

I was checking out at a local store when a lady working there told me that she was stressed out.

I asked her why and she said her family had to rush her 23 year old grandson to the emergency room due to a racing irregular heart beat! Seems he was told he could get a bigger high drinking Whiskey with an energy drink! Well this family has had to rush him to the emergency room more than once!

What the doctors want to do is use a defibrillator (called a counter shock) to bring his heart back to normal. The young man and his family were afraid to do this. I don't know what happened to this man and the problem, but don't mix energy drinks with alcohol. You may never be the same again.

MtoM,

I have had a few energy drinks over time and I would tend to agree with you. I think some people are very sensitive to some of the ingredients in energy drinks and this is something you might not realize until it happens to you.

I am a grown man and weigh 180 lbs. I had never had a problem with the energy drinks I had tried, but I decided to try a new one that I had not seen before. It came in a large 16 ounce aluminum can and it tasted like a fruit punch soda. I had purchased 6 to give it a try and had been drinking them more as an experiment to see if it was any different than others I had tried before. I will say that it had the best taste of all I had tried before, but on my 4th can, my heart started racing and I felt light headed and slightly dizzy all at the same time. I drank these 4 cans days apart from each other over a two week period. The first three were no problem, but the fourth one did scare me as I had not had that reaction before. I didn't drink the last two. Imo, not all of these energy drinks are the same, so you can't assume that just because you have had energy drinks before without a problem, that it will be that way for every energy drink out there. Btw, I noticed that I stopped seeing that particular energy drink shortly after that incident.

I think parents should pay close attention to their children when it comes to consumption of energy drinks.

Art

Hi Mama to Many and EC,

We Mama's are watchful, and we work hard to raise happy, healthy children.

If I thought anything might hurt my daughter I would not let her have it. But I went to sleep on the energy drink. My daughter told me how good they were for her. And just accepted it.

She loved the company she bought from so well she talked my mother into trying it. My mother tried it one time and said, "it didn't give me any energy" and never tried it again. However my daughter continued get at least one a day these were her college years (she takes breaks). One day she came home and said, today when I had my energy drink my heart started beating real fast. This was the same brand she had always bought.

Long story short, that sudden racing heart cured her of drinking energy drinks. I was no help to her, because I did know the danger of excess caffeine. She was about 28, my mom was about 78 and both of them thought they were grown, so they may not have listened to me anyway, but I could have warned them in love like mothers do.

Though things affect us differently, It's just good to know what to watch out for.

Thanks Mama,

HisJewel

HI U TIMH, , , , , , , , , , , , , I applaud your endeavor, but if you have watched the videos that are exposing how ignorant the mileanials are ........ your campaign is without hope. That is the reason we raise a garden.

In 1981 I went to Mexico City to interview a company in which I would build a paper mill for them. We were met at the plane and went to an outdoor restaurant for a strawberry salad. It was great, but that night I experienced Montezuma's revenge. I was well the next day because my illness was due to using human waste on the strawberries. That is not the case with GMO's as you state. You will be sick for your entire life.

All the big farmers here in East Tenn raise GMO crops that they spray with Round-up before planting and on the crop to make it ripen all at once. Our rural electrical company is now spraying all right aways with Round-up. We used to catch many fish in front of our cabin. No more.

It truly is getting spooky. The creek at our farm no longer has fish in it due to herbicides sprayed on the farm lands. We are committing suicide. I wish I had the answer. I don't.

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To "ask me about gmos": You are so right... Genetically modified foods have the potential to accelerate aging and bring on degenerative diseases. The legal ramifications are prolific also. Farmers who are avoiding the use of the GM seed are being sued by Monsanto and others when Monsanto finds blow over of seed from adjoining GM fields.

Our own Congress gave protection to GM producers this year by barring any injunctive relief which might have come at the GMO companies in various suits against them. Google "the Daily Show, GMO injunctive relief" and you should come up with the amazing story of how these Special Interests control DC. And Dr Oz, Dr Mercola and others are trying their best to blow the whistle on this crisis.

It is my understanding that the present wheat we consume is a GMO grain. Supposidly, wheat was modified about 50 - 60 years ago to make it grow faster, but was not checked for its effect on health. To learn more about this, read the book, "Wheat Belly" by William Davis, MD.

Google 'MONSANTO' for your answer to G.M.O. USA Government set them up free reign to take the world's food crops over. There is also lots of Videos on Youtube about this, also watch or read about CODEX AILMENTARIUS. These people are a danger to the very exsitence of every form of life, and the Earth itself. And freedom of choice to choose natural remedyies over Pharma Drugs. Use EC well, for I fear this too will become a victim of these evil doers. They already banned hundreds of thousands of natural supplements, because they worked, and people didn't need to be poisoned or worsened by Drugs. Love Andrea Cxxxx

Andrea, keep in mind that our "natural" root remedies have been genetically modified too. 1 John 5:19 because everyone in the whole world has to eat. Everything is tainted.http://naturalsociety.com/court-of-appeals-sides-monsanto-organic-farmers/.?There is another article on "organics" at this site. That link is provided above to "Mama to Many". Here's the other link, http://naturalsociety.com/admittedly-illegal-genetically-modified-soil-fungus-present-in-organic-products/