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Colonoscopy
Posted by Marko (Wisconsin, US) on 03/25/2015
I had my first Afib episode shortly after having a colonoscopy. My sense is that the colonoscopy was a contributing factor. I am interested in hearing perspectives from others. Could it irritate the vagus nerve and cause afib?
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Terry (Beverly Hills, Ca) on 03/18/2015
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There is indeed a connection between back injuries, nerve trauma/inflammation and A-Fib. Dr. Joel Wallach speaks about this in interviews and his books. For many people according to him, A-Fib has to do with the vagus nerve function being impacted by nerve issues related to back injury or misalignment. There are some scientific papers looking at this association you can find online.
Magnesium
Posted by Bruce (Massachusetts) on 02/20/2015
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by A Verma (India) on 02/03/2015
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hmmm, I too had same experience with afib. After a lot of research found out that my FACET joints in my upper back (right behind the chest) is experiencing problem (due to injury). it caused pressing of the spinal nerves situated behind and around the spinal cord.
Sodium Bentonite Clay
Posted by Hwkmn05 (Nh) on 01/26/2015 109 posts
It's not just in the gut and it's not just clay or dirt that can cure this. It may have worked for you, but I'm sure you did a few other things along with the dirt.
Sodium Bentonite Clay, Probiotics
Posted by Sam (Miami, FL) on 12/29/2014
Thank you for your input. For objectivity purpose one should state what he has done for his condition and if it helped. Theories and assumptions (will help in 80% cases) don't add value to one's post and are strictly personal perception. Well formed stool indicates slow bowel function. Stools have to be soft to indicate healthy elimination.
Sodium Bentonite Clay, Probiotics
Posted by Robert Henry (Ten Mile, Tn.) on 12/27/2014
HI U RON, , , , , , , , good post. The natural folks have a debate as to which is more important ...... the colon or the liver. I say both and treat them equally. As I am on the shady side of the mountain, I am paying more attention to Hulda Clark....... it's a parasite thing. Those buggers will get you in a natural born minute and our MD's have no clue.
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Sodium Bentonite Clay, Probiotics
Posted by Ron (Tavernier, Fl) on 12/27/2014
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Update:
In my search for a cure I realized I was using crutches in the form of many supplements. I have also found the root to all conditions such as afib, or all chronic conditions such as asthma, cancer diabetes etc is either toxicity and or deficiency. I have also discovered that the best way to eliminate the toxic conditions in the body is with bentonite clay, food grade sodium bentonite. Small amounts do not cure, large does. The stools should be massive, and daily, not small and occasional.
My AFIB is getting less and less to the point that I seldom have an attack and if I do a large bowel movement usually corrects it. Benonite not only pulls toxins from the colon but also pulls toxins from the organs and blood but and it takes at least 5 tablespoons taken daily to work or in pill form up to 80 pills.
Bentonite combined with probiotics will work for 80% of all afibs.The others are heart conditions mine was a colon condition which most of us have. This needs to be done for a year maybe two depending on the individual. I had all day every day 24 hour afib. I would wake up at night or in the morning with run away heart beating loud and fast. I could feel my heart beat in my ears. It was all irritation of the vegus nerve that also controls the heart, the source of which was inflammation coming from toxic conditions in the colon. Other symptoms were heavy mucous after eating, heavy mucous in the morning upon waking and showering. Heavy mucous coming from my nose when having a bowel movement, tinnitus, constipation or diareaha, in a cycle. The constipation would get better until it losened to diareaha , then back to the constipation. Back and forth and back and forth. Now its all healing up nicely with the bentonite.
I also use psyllium and or oxy colon cleanse because the bentonite can bind you up a bit when you take a lot but those massive stools sure move out the toxic waste. If you are not having well formed stools at least once a day you are accumulating toxic matter that could be affecting the vegal nerve that affects the heart. This was the holy grail for me.
Hyperparathyroidism
Posted by Nancy (Woodstock, Ga) on 12/17/2014
Thank you all for your great suggestions and encouragement. I had an irregular heartbeat for about ten year before it became a-fibrillation. Since then, I have a-fib several times a week, sometimes lasting for three or four days. Calcium Channel and Beta Blockers made my a-fib worse, as did magnesium.
A-fibrillation can be a symptom of hyperparathyroidism, a (supposedely) rare disease. The only connection with the thyroid is that these four glands are located on the thyroid. Have your calcium serum tested and if it is high, even a little bit, check out http://www.parathyroid.com for more symptoms and info. Mine had been high for over ten years; several doctors told me it was nothing to worry about. They were wrong! If it is high, insist on getting your parathyroid hormone tested. I found this out for myself after my doctor told me that my high calcium was nothing to worry about and that several other symptoms I have been experiencing were due to my age (57). It turned out I had a huge tumor.
Most of my symptoms are gone and the a-fib and irregular heartbeat were gone for the first few weeks following the 20 minute surgery. The a-fib came back when my cardiologist scared me into continuing my medicine. I took it for another couple of weeks, the a-fib returned, and I stopped it. I'm better off the medicine than on.
I am still working on getting this under control and have taken note of your suggestions. I tried the 1/8 teaspoon of cayenne pepper this evening and it worked! Thanks everyone for your comments. I am encouraged and will not take the new, even scarier, meds my doctor has prescribed.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 11/07/2014
James.. I read your post about getting off Metoprolol so easy.. I have been doing this for about 8 l/2 months now.. I am going by how I feel but wow this seems like a long time..but I read that I could be overly sensitive to this drug or something..
I am down to 25 mgs. now but it was not without a huge struggle and huge side effects and no I don't have any other issues... I couldn't just cut the pills either . I had to extend the time I took them and then cut them.. There is a site I look at where people have had really aweful time getting off and horrible experiences.. I wish I was one of those..but sometimes I feel like I am doing something wrong.
thank You
Alkaline Diet
Posted by James (NH, US) on 11/07/2014
Pat, yes , mostly take Mag 300mg before I drink and at bedtime take 300 more along with 500mg Haw. Alcohol raises my HR, hence the Haw. My ND told me also to take Alpho lipoic acid before drinking. Supposedly releases enzymes in liver to deal with alcohol, not sure on that one. I havent really tested that one.
Metop was easy, the Flecainide took me a few months. Yes, I think that is a good protocol, one day on one day off etc. I was taking 25mg twice a day, and then went to night only 50mg, then 25, then 12.5,7.5.....stopped. I would say over 3 months is reasonable.
Yogurt has something in that has never agreed with me and I hardly touch the stuff. Curious what it is that would cause AF tho?
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Diamond (Ma., US) on 11/04/2014
Your mind/body should tell you how you feel and if it's right to take more or none at all of what your concerns are. Most people follow their gut/instincts. If you feel ok with out what ever you question is, then keep trying that path, then if you begin to feel as though you should go back on previous regiment then do so. But my self// I don't do doctors very well, I came very close to a heart attack because of taking conventional meds..Follow your heart. It has never led me wrong yet. Good Luck.
Molasses
Posted by Pat (Pa, US) on 11/04/2014
To Xylnx:I, too have started taking molasses and it has really helped me with the afib too. Seems to be safe enough I guess. I only take 1 tbsp.every other day. Was taking it every day for a week or so. And all palps seemed to go away. Lowered the dose, then. Although I did have an afib episode one night and didn't have to medicate, though. Went away on its own. Fell asleep so don't think it lasted too long! Also am taking Hawthorne and some other supplements that friends on "earth clinic" recommended. Think they help, too. Anyway, I'm much better than I was when I was listening to the arrythmia doctors and taking their meds! Hope it keeps up!
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pa, US) on 11/04/2014
To James, NH, US: Still hunting for a good naturopathic m.d. but trying to treat myself, in the meantime.About drinking the wine, do you just take more hawthorne & mag when you have a glass? Also stopped eating yogurt. When this all started I was having yogurt every day. So I thought I would stop and just having one the other day brought on the afib about 7 hrs later.After not having any for a while I am starting to wonder if yogurt has anything to do with it! Who knows! Also, how did you go off the metapropolol? I'm taking only 12.5 every other day now.Should I skip 2 days and take one every 2 days?
Molasses
Posted by Hwkmn05 (Nh) on 10/30/2014 109 posts
Bee, you have those effects when you try to stop beta blockers? I guess everyones different. You will need to get off them gradually I would say. Evidently you system has grown accustomed to them and is fighting back. My switch from Flecainide to Hawthorne was pretty smooth, 3 months. Some nights I skipped the meds and doubled the minerals. Had some rough nights where I woke up and took the meds early am. Eventually, I just hung in there and never went back to them. That was 6 months ago, and Im so much better off without them now.
Molasses
Posted by Hwkmn05 (NH, US) on 10/30/2014 109 posts
Bee, possibly what you should be doing while on the 25mg of meds is take a good COQ10 Ubiquinol, 100mg , am and pm, along with xtra Magnesium, 400mg twice a day. Walking fast and getting your HR to 120 a few times will go along way towards success. I walk every day at least 30 min. I used to jog 1 hr 4 times a week, but thats out now. Betas block stress hormones, good and bad. They also block melatonin, affecting sleep patterns, nightmares. Perhaps theres more from others here that can be added. All and all, great job getting down to that low dose, commendable.
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/28/2014
Hwk
You say that the beta blocker is equal to aspirin. I have not found that the case as I wean off of it. Its been a small nightmare.. so many side effects but I did read that some people are highly allergic to this drug.. I am happy though that I got from 100 mgs. down to 25 and did it slowly but I still had side effects. This stuff has messed up some of my life. I now have nightmares, panic attacks and other things in which I never had before and no its not all in my head...lol.
Now I feel I am addicted to it but I want to stop taking it.....I am on another chat board where people have had much worse things happen when they tried to get off of it.. Maybe because it was Metropolol.. who knows??
thanks for the feedback
Molasses
Posted by Hwkmn05 (NH, US) on 10/28/2014 109 posts
"Solaray"tm makes a 100mg Haw flower extract/ 225mg Haw berry capsule that I found to be excellent. I find it works best with 300mg Mag and 100mg COQ10. I've used 3000 mg Hawthorn to get back to NSR. It doesn't hurt and won't kill you! The low dose of beta blocks is equivalent to strong aspirin. Love the BSM with my Mag/Haw also.
Molasses
Posted by Earthling (Usa) on 10/28/2014
GNC has standardized Hawthorn (<--no 'e' at the end) in 150mg capsules.
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/27/2014
Hi Pat
Yeah; wow 500 Hawthorn might be too much for me right now but a friend of mine suggested to break the capsule if possible and put a bit on my tongue and wait a few hours and see if any side effects.. I have to keep searching for a lower dose and maybe online.
So glad to hear of your progress..but you are right.. doctors will not believe you as they never believe me.. or if you have a doctor who listens to you then great .. I have not found one yet and don't plan on seeing doctors much if I can help it. I am also taking other natural supplements.
I guess I was looking for something to help me in the weaning process as I am highly overly sensitive to (M) and have taken the weaning very slowly .. It hasn't been much fun..with the side effects and going by how I feel and not the one size fits all the doctors give us.
Molasses
Posted by Mama to Many (Tennessee) on 10/27/2014
Dear Bee,
Another option for the Hawthorne is to make your own capsules. Then you could control exactly what is in each capsule. I did this for my husband. I made him a mix of 2 parts Hawthorne and 1 part ginger and one part cayenne. I bought a little capsule maker and empty capsules. It is a bit of an investment at the beginning but a big savings in the long run, plus you have control over the amounts. My husband took these for his heart irregularities and they worked! I get the Hawthorne powder from Mountain Rose Herbs. They sell the empty gel caps, too. I think I got the pill maker on Amazon.
Thanks for sharing your journey here. I am enjoying following your progress.
~Mama to Many~
Molasses
Posted by Pat (Pa, US) on 10/27/2014
Yes, Bee I believe the lowest dose I found of Hawthorne is 500mg but I only take 1 in a.m.and 1at night The directions on bottle say 2tablets 3x a day! Didn't want to take that much with the beta blocker.But I am really feeling like I don't need the toprol much at all anymore. Also tried the BS molasses.My palpitations seem to have completely disappeared.Amazing! Think it is a combo of the H. and the BS molasses! Would have never gotten this much better listening to what those M.D's wanted me to take! I want to go back and tell them, too! But they won't listen or believe! I am taking 12.5 mg beta blocker every other day, now. Afraid to stop it completely! Don't want to get the afib back! I will continue and report back how it goes. Try it out! May help!
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/27/2014
Hi Pat
Yes I read your other posts about the AFib and all. I am down to 25 mgs. of Metropolol but I was given it for high blood pressure and anxiety. I was getting side effects and palpitations as I wean down so was looking for something to make it easier. It has been rough but yes I am feeling a lot better and I my brain fog is gone . I am not sure what Hawthorn to get. The liquid or the tablets.. Looks like the tablets all come in a high dose as I want to start out small.....will keep checking around.
Yes I would love to find a good naturopathic doctor but haven't yet... the last one cost me 150.00 and then another 50 and did not help me at all........................I even ask around the area and neighborhood and no one really knows anyone worthwhile.
thank you for replying and for the help..
Molasses
Posted by Pat (Pa, US) on 10/27/2014
To Bee in New York: I also am on beta blocker (toprol) and have started Hawthorne.Am now down to 12.5 mg a day and take H. 2x a day (morning and evening ) with no side effects. Was actually on a higher dose of beta and have weaned down to 12.5mg and am weaning to every other day now.I really believe it has been the Hawthorne. I also take other some other supplements and feel much better than I felt on more beta blocker and fleccainide.Hated that stuff! They even wanted me to go on another more dangerous drug after that! I only wish I could find a good "naturopath m.d." to help guide me a little.Thank God for "earth clinic" and all their advice! Try out the H. I think you will be O.K. even on it with the beta blocker. You just don't need as much beta has been my observation! I am my own guinea pig! Good luck and God bless!
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/21/2014
Hi Hwk;
I have been taking the natural supplements for awhile now since weaning off the meterprolol .. been on the M for two years and was at 100 mgms.. It has not been easy for me as I have read many people are overly sensitive to this drug.. I have many side effects and it has somewhat stopped my life in some ways.. I just tried to go down to 25 miligrams and too many side effects so I opted for 31 mgs. I have been doing this for 8 months in which four doctors told gave me the generic one size fits all formula.. they were all wrong. the last one said I could be off of this stuff in a month or two. I said No that won't work for me. She said some nasty things to me and only gave me a two month supply.. I wont be going back to her.. So I so far am getting no help from doctors plus I have no medical insurance . so glad you got the help you needed and are doing well...
Anyway; I am going to try the Hawthorne at the low dose ..I get most of my advice from people who work in the health food store or people I meet along the way on this journey..
thank You so much
Molasses
Posted by Hwk (Nh) on 10/21/2014 109 posts
Bee, when I say I got myself off meds, dont think for one second that I just woke up one morning and threw them in the trash. It was under the care and guidance of a couple of Doctors and others. Much depends on the length of time and dosage taken to transfer to natural supplements with no set time table for doing so. If your'e at 37 now, then I would say good job, and with support, it won't be long.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by James (Nh) on 10/15/2014
Too funny on the wine/alcohol myth. After my first few episodes, cardios wanted to sign me up for AA. My friends laughed because Im always a beer or 2 behind them. So I quit for a year to humor them and went into AF still. Sure, throw booze, caffeine, stress, and all the other things that deplete minerals, mainly Magnesium into the mix. I drink 4-6 glasses of wine a week now, no issues, just load up on mag and haw before and after.
12.5 of Metop is such a low dose, I doubt it will put you in or keep you out of AF. If youre staying out tho, just keep taking it for now, not as dangerous as the Flec and others. Yes, the meds do work and may keep you out for a time, but alas, like all meds eventually stop working as they deplete all the good stuff too.
It took me a while to find a good ND who as familiar with AF and cures. Lucky to be near Vt where there are hundreds and found a good one near Burlington. He lets me call him for free advice any time, and only see him when I feel I need to. Some states are a challenge for NDs, only 17 license them. Happy hunting!
Detox from Chemicals
Posted by Pat (Pa) on 10/15/2014
How would you suggest detoxing the chemicals from the body? Is "detox" tea once a day sufficient, do you think? Or supplements? Garlic? Thanks.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pa., US) on 10/14/2014
Now up to 2 doses of hawthorne per day and it works pretty well. Although when I started it I had alot of palps for about the first week or so.they seem to have calmed down. Also pumped up the mag to about 600 a day. And still taking the Taurine and the probiotic with a few additional supplements ( vit C and E). Only taking 12.5 toprol because I believe it does nothing for the afib! Fish oil is another one I started! Will keep going with these for a while.
I can even have 1 glass of wine when I go out (which I couldn't have before) and I don't go right into afib! For some reason the alcohol put me right into afib after the first sip! That really made me angry! No more alcohol ever again??? No fun! Believe me, I was never a big drinker but I do enjoy a cocktail when I go out once in a while!
I'm looking for a good "naturopathic doctor" in the area but not a lot of them around in close proximity! It would be nice to get some advice from them, I agree! Helps having all your input with everyone else! Gives me hope for this lousy condition! I think we can get a handle on it if we try! And I sure wasn't with the traditional M.D.'s! It was just getting worse! I honestly think the toprol at times can cause afib! And the "flec" did too! It was weird.Sometimes they helped and sometimes they made me worse! Very strange! I just couldn't figure it out! But I am learning a lot! Hope our luck holds out!
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York) on 10/12/2014
Hi Hwk,
Thank you but I am not sure what you are trying to say.... I got myself down to 37 miligrams from 100 which wasn't easy and I want to get off completely... I believe I have a high sensitivity to it or that is what I read and have been told that some people have a harder time. Yes I will def. try the Hawthorn very soon.. Wow, I can't believe you weaned off of that drug in a few months..
Molasses
Posted by Hwkmn05 (NH, US) on 10/12/2014 109 posts
Bee, 37 mg is a pretty low dose and depending on what time of day you take it, H should not interfere with it, if it does at all. Beta blockers limit and weaken stress hormones, while H improves circulation expanding blood vessels. New medical studies have now shown how vital stress is to our hearts, calling it "good stress". That fight or flight hormone being blocked should tell us something as naturally beneficially to us eventually will fail. Lets say you take 250 mg H in Am, and all your Metop at night, your HR at the worst will go down slightly and you can adjust the H the next day. By doing this, I weaned off 200 mg of Flecainide, a much more dangerous med, in 3 months, using H right along with it. This isnt rocket science here. No one ever died from a Drug deficiency, but plenty get sick from nutrition/mineral deficiency.
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/11/2014
Dear Om
Didn't you read what I wrote.. I know all about beta blockers and that is why I am GETTING OFF OF THEM.... and all that I read about Hawthorn but it is contraindicated with beta blockers.but I hope to take it one day ... and no I DO NOT HAVE AN IRREGULAR HEARTBEAT but I have bad side effects from the beta blocker and yes I take COQ10, magnesium, B complex, C, D, E, Taurine, L-Carnitine, olive Leaf extract and some other things ...
The last doctor I went to was a naturopath and she yelled at me and didn't believe a word I said (long story).. so I wont be going back to her.
Thank You
Molasses
Posted by Om (Hope, Bc, Canada) on 10/11/2014
Dear Bee
That medicine is not good for you nor will it make you better. As it is said "if the disease is not killing you, the medicine certainly will".
In Europe, for a long time, Hawthorn has been used without "side effects" . Online you can read up on it. When, for a brief time, I had irregular heartbeat because of stress, Hawthorne corrected it and I am fine . It is useful to combine it with Coq 10 with Ubiquinol. H. is going to strengthen your heart within three months. Your body cannot cope with the poison that "doctors" give you. It is designed to keep you dependent and to need more of allopathic poison drugs. Because it is disease mongering and nothing else.
Maybe a naturopathic doctor could help you with this even with one consultation.
Wishing you well. Namaste, Om
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/11/2014
Hi Hwk,
Here is the kicker.. the doctor gave me meterprolol two years ago for high blood pressure and anxiety.. I was taking 100 miligrams and now have gotten down to 37 miligrams but that has been since last March.. I don't have AFib and never had a high heart rate until I started this medication so I am getting off of it.. I have asked, double asked doctors and read about it all and I am highly overly sensitive to this stuff .. Anyway; I would love to take Hawthorne but it interferes with Metropolol or so I have asked read and studied.I don't know now... I would love to keep my heart rate down as I wean but some days if I just walk down the stairs or a few feet with doing nothing else My heart rate goes up and it is too early to take the medication... not even sure I can exercise too much as this point. I have also cut out caffeine, alcohol and sugar.. I was thinking I might have too much cortisol and adrenaline rushes. Thank You.
Molasses
Posted by Hwkmn05 (NH, US) on 10/11/2014 109 posts
Bee, My experience has been that Mag does not lower your HR but works as an anti arrhythmia. I use 3-900 mg per day/night depending on the vices/feeling that day. Big coffee or wine day, double down on Mag. If youre looking to lower your HR, Hawthorne works well. I use about 5-1500 mg and last 2 AF episodes HR stayed under 75. Rate control will not necessarily keep you out of AF, but you will function better until your back to NSR. Ive been Metop/Flecainide free 5 months now and increased exercise 4 times the amount due to more energy level. When the Meds are gone, youll feel like you just lowered your age 10 years.
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/10/2014
Hi, Hwk
I already do about 500 -900 miligrams a day of magnesium citrate so not sure. Have to experiment some more...lol
I just need to keep this heart rate down so I can keep weaning off. Doing a bunch of things so far but would like to find one thing that works the best..
Thank You
Molasses
Posted by Hwkmn05 (New Hampshire, US) on 10/10/2014 109 posts
Bee, I'm betting it's the Magnesium in Blackstrap Molasses that may be regulating HR. Not a huge amount per Tbls, 15mg maybe, but possibly gets into your system faster than a capsule.
Molasses
Posted by Bee (New York, US) on 10/09/2014
Hi Joan
I am weaning off some beta blockers and finding ways to keep my heart rate down. I tried the BSM and it kind of calmed my heart down a bit.. I put a teaspoon in some organic herbal tea... Not sure its working totally though..It does have sugar also.
But what is in that slows down the heart? Is it the minerals.? Potassium??
Molasses
Posted by Joan (South Riding, US) on 10/09/2014
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Over the years, I have found that coffee (more specifically, caffeine) causes me to have irregular heartbeats. Now, every cup of coffee contains a bit of organic Blackstrap Molasses. No longer do I experience heart beats that feel like my heart is flopping around. No longer do I get that shortness of breath feeling. In fact, all I have to do, if I haven't had BSM in a while and experience an irregular heartbeat, is dip my finger into BSM and the irregularity subsides.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by James (NH, US) on 10/08/2014 109 posts
Pat, that sounds great and promising. I like the slow approach of weaning off the "crutches" and building a foundation of healing. You will possibly find that the Metop is basically adding little to your latest success and will feel like a million bucks when thats gone. You can always grab it in a pinch, I have that and Flec on hand as PIP, but have never used.
Thats the thing with Meds vs supplements, we live in a society of having it all now and drugs allow us that instant fix. It can take as long as a year for us to build stores of Magnesium and other minerals. I just read somewhere that women need much more Mag than men. I like that you cancelled you appt, but suggest you do find a good Naturalpath MD. They arent cheap, and most insurance won't cover, but in the long run, they will save you bouque bucks and aggravation. Mine lets me call him for free when I need advice. One thing he added that I have not taken is Lily Valley. Its like foxglove, digoxin natural, but not as strong. Great anti arrhythmia. The thing with blood "thinners" is, they're not! They once again blocked something, just like all drugs do. At 60 I'm not looking to sign up for all that Pharma has in store for us.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pa., US) on 10/07/2014
Thank you for your advice, James. Am now down to I 12.5 dose of Toprol a day and using hawthorne (500) mg once a day with the mag (maybe 500-800) a day and feeling better. Palps come less severe and slower when I get them. Hoping that takes care of all the fast erratic episodes of AF. Will report back as time goes by.
So glad to have some relief and not to feel so desperate as to get ablation! Talking to you and earth clinic has helped me lots! Just for the record, I also have been taking coq10 and fish oil and a few other supplements for some time now also. Going to pick up the molasses this week and start that too. Even cancelled my appointment for tomorrow! If all goes well, will let the md's know later on. I will reschedule in a month or so!
Your advice about not giving up on the healing helped too! I'm sure this is some kind of deficiency or something and I always have been! Kept trying to tell them that but they have another agenda! Do also take baby aspirin about 4x a week. And when I remember Vit E few times a week also just to let everyone know! That keeps my blood thin! So does at least 24 oz of water a day! Don't intend to take Big Pharma blood thinner! They tell me by age 65 I should be on it! Hope not!
Alkaline Diet
Posted by James (New Hampshire, US) on 10/03/2014 109 posts
Pat, Yes, with that on meds, they get you hooked and are not only hard to get off, youre body misses that fix also. But, of the 2, Id say the Magnesium is the most important. Hawthorne does slow rate, but if your doing the Metop, that is already slowing things down. Lowering your HR does not keep you out of Fib, whether its a med or supplement. Mag takes away my flutter or paps in minutes. (No AF this past month) Try loading up on that before bed, start with 300, and get to 6-900mg as soon as you can. It wont hurt you, just will eliminate it next day. Get the oil or gel form also, easier to hold in. Your condition is worse than avg, but Ive seen much worse and heard of successes without surgery. One lady I knew had it every day, for hours. Got on one supplement, and poof, gone and not returned for 5 years. COQ10 once a day was all she took!! I was envious. I take that also, but guess what? It doesnt work without adequate levels of Mag. Obviously she was getting her Mag levels from food sources. Cells towers, micro waves etc, Id believe that, its not like theyve conducted studies and proven any of it is completely safe.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pa, USA) on 10/02/2014
To James: Yes I started the Hawthorne. So far just 250 once a day. But for some reason I'm getting alot of intermittent afib which is alot slower than normal but comes more often! As I said, I also take Taurine and Serrinisol. I take 25mg of Toprol split into 2 doses because I can't handle it all together. Makes me feel lousy! I think it's because I have low normal BP and since it lowers my pressure and I really don't need it to, it makes me feel tired. I do seem to be getting the afib more at night now too! It comes in cycles! Wish it would go away for good! But I'll take it on a lesser level, as lately been.Not so fast and scary! I know there has to be a reason for this and sometimes I think they have messed up our electrical systems with all the technology in the world now! All those towers and everything! Some of our hearts are sensitive to it all! They're definitely killing us on this planet! Will let you know how the hawthorne works out.They also gave me Atavan to take for the anxiety I get from it! But only take 0.5 (maybe) a day, if I need to. Don't wanna get hooked on that, too! Don't really like it much. Good luck with yours! Maybe I'll get off them all like you too some day soon!
Alkaline Diet
Posted by James (NH, US) on 10/01/2014 109 posts
Whew, Im glad you clarified that 400mg!! Im a big guy and I was told no more than 3 of my 100mg Flec to get back to NSR. Of course I haven't had the chance to try that because I've converted with Mag and Haw last 2 times. ND says to try the flec to see if that's quicker, but it doesn't sound as tho it is. Don't give up on the supplements and the healing process just yet, it could take 12-18 months to build up the stores of Mag and other good things, not to mention heal the inflammation. Every 3 weeks isn't bad, I'm about 1-2 months, but with the Hawthorne, HR stays low to tolerate. If you're only doing 12.5 of Toprol, you should be ok with Haw. Ablation is not in my thought process right now because you still are bound to Meds after, sometimes forever. One quick hint with my condition, I'm a nocturnal Fibber. So when I get that odd feeling, I load up on Mag, 6-900 mg along with 1 gm Taurine, 500 mg Haw, just before bed. That takes away all the pausing/flutter before bed and I sleep solid and wake up refreshed. Keep in mind that Mag is a blood thinner in its own right, so be careful if you're still on the Decon.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pa.) on 09/29/2014
Correction to my last statement! The rescue dose is 4 tablets fleccainide which is 200 mg not 400 mg.Sorry! Taken when I go into the fast heart rate which still scares me every time! I never get used to it! Thanks, Pat
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pa., US) on 09/28/2014
To James.Thanks, I may get the ablation eventually but trying to work with supplements and meds right now. I will try the Hawthorne. I only take 12.5 mg a day of toprol. I really don't think it does anything but am afraid it may keep my HR a little lower so that when I do get afib it isn't quite as fast! But as far as the supplements go, none of them seem to rid me of the afib completely! Sooo, I guess I'll just keep going on my same regimen with supplements and meds. You are fight about the fleccanide, it also didn't prevent the afib so I stopped taking it every day and take a "rescue dose" 400 mg when I go into it, which lately is about every 3 weeks. It still takes about 2 hrs for it to work and even that is too long! Hope they come up with a new cure soon! Hanging in and hope you are too! Pray for us all!
Alkaline Diet
Posted by James (NH, US) on 09/26/2014
Pat, Yes, stay off Rat Poison! No doubt that mine and many of others AF episodes are "Vagally mediated" from Vagus nerve. Having never had an issue during the day, only at sleep or just before bed late, I'm sure mine is digestive system related and not adrenal. Tis why they test us for apnea Im guessing. Unfortunately, EPs and Cardios still attempt to prescribe meds that don't address the condition, but the symptoms. Beta blockers will NOT work for Vagus initiated AF. Flecainide does, but wow, what a dangerous med that is. Add to the nocturnal AFers, the disruption of sleep from meds, actually contributes to arrhythmia by disturbing REM sessions at night. So then they are quick to put us on sedatives. This Pharma ball just keeps rolling downward. However, Ablation does seem to have fair success with both vagal and adrenal AF.
To conclude all this, I was on Metoprolol for a time, and still got AF. Then switched to Flec. However I weaned off that after 3 horrible months, so I can't say if it would have worked. I did take Hawthorne while weaning off these meds, but not the dosage I now take. I would start with a low dose, maybe 250 mg with both berrie and flower. Last AF episode, HR never got higher than 72, tho still irregular, and I was NSR in 5 hours. Id say that's as successful as any beta blocker. So now, When I get that feeling, flutter, etc at night, I load up on Malate Mag, 600-900mg, and 500-1500 Hawthorne, over a 1-3 hour period before bed. Keep in mind, I did build up to this over 6 months as Mag is tough to assimilate in small intestines. I do carry the Tuarine and Arginine in cabinet for PIP purposes, but will look at adding that in. Apple Cider Vinegar and Blackstrap molasses seem to calm flutter down also. Best wishes.
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pennsylvania, US) on 09/24/2014
Have been taking taurine and arginine for close to a month now and no afib. (unusual for me!). I also started the probiotic every day. Do you think that I can take the Hawthorne with the low dose of beta blocker? Don't know if I should stop it yet. Still feel like I need to keep my heart rate down to stay out of afib., but I think the supplements are keeping me from being symptomatic! Afib without the symptoms (which a lot of people have and don't know they even have it) is better to me than having "symptoms".
Wish I can get to that point. And I am not going to take the "rat poisoning" to thin by blood which they tell me I will have to take by age 65 (I am 62)! Will anticoagulate with aspirin and vitamin E which I already do.
Forgot to mention the supplement recommended by the "womens health network" called Serrinisol. I think it helps the "adrenal system". Another helpful site I found since losing faith in our traditional medical system to cure me of this. It is a slow process, but I believe I am finally getting somewhere after 2 years of this! I also think "prayer" has helped me a lot, too! Doctors aren't the only people that can heal us! And I believe God will lead me to cures that will heal me! After all, he led me to this website! Just be patient and the healing will come! Thank you all for your helpful input!
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by James (Nh) on 09/18/2014 109 posts
Pat, I too was on Metoprolol low dose for a time. Side effects were mild as I took at night. Tho it did not keep me in NSR. I just had a slower, yet irregular HR. Since May I tossed all the meds, Flec, Torp, etc and went to supplements. Have self converted twice since then but did notice that Hawthrone berry had the same effect as Met with no side effects in keeping HR low. In AF 15 hours and HR was averaging 72 bpm.
Sodium Bentonite Clay
Posted by James (NH, US) on 09/14/2014
No, I didnt mean to say they are the same item, just that they may have the same effect on our body, removing toxins. I believe Bentonite Clay is from the earth and Diatomaceous Earth is from algae in the sea beds. The 3 types of BC are not recommended for internal use, however the calcium type is suggested as it is more easily digested and moves through the colon where sodium and potash may clog the colon. With either one I would suggest drinking a lot of water. Some have suggested a blend of DE and BC 6 to 1 with great success. Bottom line, whatever removes toxins and gives us better absorption of minerals.
Sodium Bentonite Clay
Posted by Tg (AL, US) on 09/08/2014
Do you mean to say the Diatomaceous Earth is the same thing or has the same action as Sodium Bentonite Clay? Oh, think again. Not at all the same.
Sodium Bentonite Clay
Posted by James (NH, US) on 09/08/2014 109 posts
Diatomaceous Earth is the same as the clay. Does bentonite clay cure AF or does it cleanse your small intestine to better absorb the nutrients vital to your heart/rhythm health? I suspect the latter. I did notice some improvement while taking this, shrunk hemorrhoids in 30 days, and tho it did not keep me out of AF, the supplements seemed to work faster to get me back to NSR. 6 months is a long time to work. If that's all you took and did not stop triggers, that is truly amazing and absolutely worth a shot. Beats the regimen of deadly drugs they put us on.
How to Stop Atrial Fib Attacks
Posted by Pat (Pa, US) on 09/06/2014
can you tell me the maximum dose of fish oil you recommend?
Alkaline Diet
Posted by Pat (Pennsylvania, US) on 09/06/2014
I too believe that the digestive system is also involved with the afib. I think probiotics are a good idea.I started them, too. Makes sense since every episode of afib usually starts with "noises" in my stomach(gas?) Hope it helps!
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Pat (Pa) on 09/04/2014
I also was diagnosed while going thru menopause. Try the magnesium (high doses) and taurine and l arginine. Also possible adrenal fatigue from too much stress(I believe I was under extreme amounts). The women's health network recommended. I try a supplement for that called serrinisol. I have been taking that too. They all seem to help. still take a low dose of toprol (half of a 25 mg) to keep my heart rate from going too fast.and also because I am afraid to stop it totally but have gotten down to a very low dose! Good luck!
Supplements
Posted by Pat (Pennsylvania) on 09/04/2014
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Afib - I was reading the posts from everyone and thought I would try the taurine and l arginine, magnesium etc. and I really think it is helping. I have tried other supplements but these seem to help. I will let you know if it is long lasting! Also taking something called serrinisol for adrenal fatigue which is also a possibility since this all began around menopause for me. They say it lowers my cortisol count. Whatever it is hope it keeps on working! Thanks to all of you.you know more than the doctors!
Sodium Bentonite Clay, Probiotics
Posted by Linda (Missouri, US) on 09/03/2014
Thank you for your post. Very encouraging. I believe the afib is also caused by digestive issues (or surrounds the digestive issues), so I am going to take your suggestion and work on it, and I'll keep you posted.
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Shannon (San Francisco, CA) on 08/28/2014
Linda, that is interesting about upper back injury and a fib. I was in fender bender (hit from behind) that caused whiplash and a fib started shortly after. My epsiodes occur like yours: in bed when falling asleep. I got chiro treatment right after accident, and have regular visits. I also had all of the following prior to my a fib, which I heard cause a fib:
hot flashes, had just started menopause.
root canal, just had my 1st and only one.
high doses vit D, had started for menopause.
stress, had extra stress.
I've been taking the above supps. for 3 months with no improvement. Stopped the niacin after one day as that is too painful. Was scheduled for ablation but canceled due to stress of blood draws and fear of the procedure. Might sign up for yoga but usually can't stand the classes. Am trying to do deep breathing when stressed.
Supplements
Posted by Hwkmn05 (NH, US) on 08/06/2014 109 posts
Taurine is naturally occurring in foods especially meats and seafood with little side effects, so I m not sure why you would need to stop after 1 year. I'll ask next visit to ND. Mag and Hawthorne are the 2 most important for my Atrial Fibrillation condition.
Supplements
Posted by Bee (New York) on 07/28/2014
Hi,
I have been taking Taurine and COQ10 and L Carnitine for hbp and then I go and read that one cannot take Taurine for more than a year.. I even asked a famous Cardiologist who wrote books and believes in alternative treatments.. He says you can take L Carnitine for as long as you want and then I read no you can't take that for too long either. So I am so confused...
I also do magnesium and these supplements are a God Send.
What does your doctor say about the length of taking these amino acids...
Supplements
Posted by Hwkmn05 (Nh) on 07/28/2014 109 posts
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I am on a regimen of supplements to control my AF I am going into my 5th year with. I had never gotten back to NSR without cardioversion, one time in AF for 14 days and scoped for clots before CV'd. Not something I wanted to depend on for life not to mention a large co pay. Of course after my last episode in March, cardios wanted me on a high dosage of flecainide daily. I wouldnt mind a PIP of it, but their words were, "Indefinitely" set me searching for alternatives. At that point I sought out a Naturopathic doctor. Asked, can you keep me in NSR or get me back to it with supplements. He was confident he could. I weaned off the meds in 2months and got on Mg, CoQ10, Hawthorne, Taurine, DHA, Zinc, Rib rose, B12, Iodine, and L-carnitine.
I got the test a few weeks ago waking up at 430am in AF. Heart rate was lower than usual episodes I think in part to being on the MG and Hawth, 80-100. I did five times my usual daily amount along with a tincture of cayenne for 4 hours. I was determined not to go to ER or try the PIP flec. At hour 5, I returned to NSR for the first time ever without doctor or cardiaoversion. Called ND and he was ecstatic wanting to know the exact dosage and what I took. He thought it was all good, but believed it was more the Mg and Hawthorne berry that did the trick.
Magnesium
Posted by Hwkmn05 (Nh, US) on 07/22/2014 109 posts
I use a few different types of Mg because it can be difficult to contain in your small intestine. Mg Citrate is good, but I have recently switched to Mg Malate and find I can retain it longer. Also, Mg Oil. which you can apply topically near your heart, and assimilates quickly. I just used that and Hawthorne, 4-5 times the dose to get out of AF this month. Took about 5 hours, but it hasn't come back.
Magnesium
Posted by Sue (Michigan, US) on 06/23/2014
What type of Magnesium are you taking?
Magnesium
Posted by Hwkmn05 (Nh, US) on 06/23/2014 109 posts
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If I had one supplement to suggest someone with Atrial Fibrillation or any heart condition for that matter, Magnesium would be that. It took me 4 years to figure this out, but for some reason certain individuals deplete Mag levels in our bodies more than others. Possibly stress , or diet, but there are days I can t keep enough in my system. Ive dealt with Tachycardia several times and a high dose (800-1200mg) of Mag and Hawthorne (2000mg), gets me in NSR. I have not used it yet to get me out of full AF, but I am more confident now than I have ever been on Meds. Hope to never take Meds again.
Infection
Posted by Andrea C (Wales) on 05/26/2014
About PACE MAKERS and atrial fib...
My father's side of the family all have bad hearts, except for his youngest brother who did, and still does, EVERYTHING wrong health wise. He smoked has been a big drinker from really young, always in bed, or over the pub. My Father, who did EVERYTHING by the book health wise, died young from heart problems and his Mother as well. There were 9 children in his Family of them and only 3 now alive. My uncle his second youngest brother, was told weeks after my Father died he urgently needed a pacemaker or he'd be dead very soon.
My cousin, his eldest daughter, became ill on the day he booked into the hospital for his operation, and he asked the surgeon could he reschedule the operation as his child was ill. The surgeon refused and told him if he left then he wasn't responsible for his death and refused to put him back on the waiting list. LUCKY FOR HIM!!!! All his siblings had heart operations and all ended up with worsening heart problems followed by multiple operations.
HE'S NEVER HAD A HEART ATTACK AND IS STILL ALIVE AND FIT AS A FIDDLE!!! That was 14 year's ago and he's now in his late 70's and no problem's and never been near a Heart Doctor, or his own Doctor for any Heart complaint since that day.
Love Andrea C xxxx
Sodium Bentonite Clay
Posted by Koy (Sofia, Bulgaria) on 04/16/2014
Hi Ron, Thank you much for sharing your finding. Did you take the bentonite on empty stomack in the morning, or on divided portions? Best
Sodium Bentonite Clay
Posted by Ron (Fl) on 04/08/2014
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At last I can finally say I have cured my a fib. I had tried every thing there was to cure it in the past and nothing worked. I had all day everyday 24 hour a fib. It was worse at night when I would wake up with my heart racing, or when I laid down to sleep I heard the thumping in my ear drum. For all that are serious about a cure, the vitamins, are useless, the juicing helps, all other supplements do not make a dent in the problem. The cure I found was to remove toxic acids from the body, mostly from the colon. The best way to do that is with sodium bentonite clay. I try to take 5 tablespoons each day but it is not easy to do at at times it can be contipating but the body rids itself of acids and toxins with good healthy large bowel movements. It will take time, mine was 6 months before noticeable improvement, and for some 6 months to 2 years and it should be continued for as long you want to keep the body clean and toxin free. Also with the bentonite it is vital to take probiotics. Healing begins in the colon and healing is a longer process than what many want but we did not get Afib overnight and will not cure it overnight. I have suggested this to others on other websites but they say I did not cure myself and that I am wrong yet they still suffer. I suspect there may be others that say the same here, but for those that want relief, do it and you will be cured as I am.
Multiple Remedies
Posted by L (Wa) on 03/08/2014
Has anyone suffered a first time attack of Gout when taking a combination of the above stated supplements?
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Mike62 (Denver) on 02/17/2014
Linda: I was 50lbs over weight, had many bad conditions, and many terrible diseases. I didn't go to the doctor because I was not able to wait for a long time in a confined space with nothing to do at a free clinic. I studied and tried various natural treatment plans and enjoyed limited success. Then I discovered one treatment plan that changes all the bad conditions to good conditions, cured all the diseases that were causing me so much suffering, and melted off all the fat. Nourishment. Just eating right was the solution that made my body buzz like a bee. I studied what herbivores, carnivores, centenarians, and athletes eat. Organic baby leaves are the best vegetable. The nutrients are locked up in the cellulose so grinding up in the blender is required. I take 8oz/day of the 5 super babies. Organic berries are the best fruit. Activated barley, whole sugars, bananas, and water kefir made from whole flours are the best carbs. They have to be organic. Chili is the best herb. Desiccated liver is the best meat. Non denatured whey and colostrum are the best dairy. Expeller pressed coconut oil is the best saturated fat. Black chia seeds are the best unsaturated fat. The super foods are the best protein. Skate liver oil is best for fat soluble nutrients. I take the carbs, oils, and proteins together and keep fat below 10%/calorie or 5%/g with 1 pint of kefir and water every hour.
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Linda (Washington) on 02/17/2014
To Dave, Thank You so much for your quick response. I will purchase and try these things you have suggested. Anything that will lead me in the right direction is a blessing. You and Earth Clinic are so very important to the well being of people that have given up on conventional medicine. But, still need guidance in how to help themselves. I will report back if I find that this has helped even in the slightest.
Thank you Sarah. At the time this first happened I was on a terrible diet. I m sure I did deplete my minerals. No matter the diet I can't seem to lose weight. So I simply gave up food except for a salad a day with small portion of chicken. Went like this for months and only lost 6 pounds. I don't eat breads or pasta, potatoes or rice. Stay away from sugar and artificial sweeteners. I try to keep up with the fresh fruits and veggies not always successful. I guess some would call it a low carb diet, I gain weight very easily so I just don't eat the way I should. Thank you for your help.
Thank you Mike62. It is good to hear that you overcame this problem and that something can actually be done. I was told to live with it. I have hope now that it can be reversed by means of good nutrition and vitamins. Do you believe that your problem was A-fib or Peripheral Neuropathy?
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Dave (Fountain Inn, Sc) on 02/16/2014
To Linda from Washington,
Do not wish to give you disconcerting information and certainly hope I am wrong but the symptoms you give would indicate you are verging on very serious heart situation.
If this were me...
And I did have a friend a year (plus) ago who asked for advice with many of the symptoms you mentioned. When we was bending over working in his garden, he'd have an onset of symptoms especially heavy feeling in his chest. Etc.
I told him and tell you...be very careful NOT to exert until corrective action is undertaken .... immediately.
He refused to go to Doc or ER having had bad experience with same a few years earlier.
I told him he must get on the following immediately...
Vitamin E (NATURAL E, d alpha tocopherol, not the synthetic dl....) Get the real thing in health food store not drug store. Start with 200 iu daily and increase to 400 in 30 days, then increase to 600 a month later. I take 1,000 IUs daily of dl alpha tocopherol. E will clean veins and arteries and oxygenate the heart (and other muscles).
PS...You do not have PN. Even if you did, it's the least of your worries.
1,000 mg of Arginine
500 mg of herb Hawthorn
1,000 mg of Co Q 10
100 mg of niacin (causes a flush... read about this on internet)
After you start up with the E, get off the aspirin since the E is a blood thinner and you don't need aspirin to thin once on E.
1,000 mg of magnesium
500 mg of potassium...good source is ACV .... one tablespoon in large glass of water...sipped after last meal of day
Remote possibility you have infection in heart...don't think so...but just in case take two tablespoons of colloidal silver on empty stomach for two weeks...will kill infection if any. Important on empty stomach to get into blood stream.
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Sarah (Chicago, Il) on 02/16/2014
Hi Linda, it might be peripheral neuropathy OR you might have a magnesium deficiency and/or potassium deficiency and/or electrolyte deficiency triggered when you exert yourself. I would start restoring your magnesium levels each day to see if this helps. Vitamin C packets with electrolytes might be helpful as well. Just make sure to find ones without aspartic acid, an artificial sweetener which can trigger a-fib. Make sure your diet contains no hidden MSG or artificial sweeteners. Please let us know what your diet is like.
Alternatively, you might have a good chiropractor check to see if a rib or two is out of place.
I have heard Alpha Lipoic Acid is good for Peripheral Neuropathy, so you can research that and see if it works.
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Mike62 (Denver) on 02/16/2014
Linda: I had the same thing 10 years ago. Good simple nutrients like vitamins and minerals from raw organic whole foods make good hormones that are vasodilators. More nutrients and oxygen get through to the tissues. Bad simple nutrients and toxins from cooked conventionally grown foods make bad hormones that are vasoconstrictors so less oxygen and nutrients get to the tissues. Take a green smoothie made from 1oz organic baby leaves, 12oz water, 1/4g sun dried sea salt, and some organic chili every 2 hours. Eat lots of organic berries. Take 1/2 coconut oil and 1/2 flax oil for fats. Keep oils below 5%/g. Eat 30g non denatured whey isolate or concentrate for protein. Eat a combination of organic bananas including the peel and organic whole sugars for carbs. Take the carbs, proteins, and oils together every 2 hours. Take 2ml skate liver oil/day.
Back Injury Connection to AFIB
Posted by Linda (Washington) on 02/16/2014
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I have a question. Is it possible due to an injury to my upper back that there was damage to a nerve that would also cause A-Fib symptoms? I have been studying this possibility because I had an injury a herniated disk with so much pain in my upper back. I am 65. A few months later was doing a lot of scrubbing and general cleaning but was bending over and using my arms and shoulders for lifting as well. Soon after had an attack of a racing heart and shortness of breath. Was rushed to the ER and was admitted to the hospital over night. Soon after admitting the racing heart stopped on its own and breathing was back to normal. They couldn't find anything wrong. I was set up with a Cardio and had all the tests. Wore a monitor over a few days. They could find nothing wrong with my heart said it was A-Fib and put me on toprol and low dose aspirin. Said go home that's all that could be done. If it got worse come back. The only time I have these attacks is when I over do and do too much physical work that involves my back and shoulders and arms. Also I seem to be able to help it to ease a little just by changing position and it only seems to happen after going to sleep. I sleep hard and don't seem to change position and when I wake the back of my head is numb and now I notice that the tip of my nose gets numb at different times depending on how I sit or stand. So does anyone know could this be caused by Peripheral Neuropathy? The Doctors that I question say you have A-Fib live with it. I doubt that. I think it may be something else. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Magnesium
Posted by Linda (Washington) on 02/02/2014
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A-Fib: Two years ago I started having problems with heart palpitations they got so severe at one point I was hospitalized. Thinking I was having a heart attack my Doctor set me up with the usual tests. Holter monitor, stress tests all of them. They decided in the end that it may be the beginning of A-Fib. Not ready to start me on all the meds since I was already taking high blood pressure medicine and a low dose aspirin and 1200 mgs. of calcium. I had been taking potassium as well but after blood work my doctor stopped them saying I didn't need them. The cardiologist decided to put me on toprol too. I didn't like the way they made me feel but, believing in Doctors as all knowledgeable I continued on. I kept having less severe attacks that I learned how to ease somewhat until they went away. I was trying to lose weight and I was on pretty much a starvation diet for a long time after having tried so many things and couldn't lose any weight. My Doctor was informed of this, he ignored it. My friend suggested I try some magnesium so to humor her I went to the grocery and bought a bottle of magnesium. Didn't seem to help much. But then last summer my sister introduced me to Calm and some literature by a naturopath. I read and then read everything I could find on the subject it explained so much about my symptoms and I was shocked so decided to search the internet and found Earth Clinic you are a life saver thank you so much for being here for us. I discovered due to my bad diet I had depleted my mineral stores and my heart was reacting to the loss of them. I started back on potassium and took the Calm magnesium every day in the high dose recommended. I read Dr. Carolyn Deans web page and stopped the calcium. Since that time I have not experienced another A-Fib attack or felt the least bit of a problem from my heart.
Sorry to be so long winded but, I wanted to be clear on what the cause was. That magnesium works wonders and to keep learning and to Thank all who send their information to Earth Clinic for the good of us all.
Sodium Bentonite Clay, Probiotics
Posted by Ron (Tavernier, Fl) on 12/14/2013
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Here is my latest information. [older posts under Alkaline Diet in the A-Fib section]
I have suggested previously that my afib was caused by toxic blood and that my PH was off. I have since put it all together even more and have cured my afib with a simply effective therapy. Since it is my belief AFIB is an over acid condition caused by poor gut function, poor adrenal function, poor diet, etc I have addressed those issues. Anyone can see the things I have tried over the years and believe me no one supplement will do it, but a long term therapy will. My final solution to this problem is unique and maybe a bit unusual for those not as familiar with this monster as I am. I take bentonite clay and probiotics as my major therapy. The bentonite pulls the toxins and acids from the body and the probiotics creates healing conditions in the colon. None of this comes in a short time this takes over a year of work. The bentonite is the best thing to draw acids from the body, and those acids create conditIons when the heart surface tissue becomes inflamed and irritated resulting in what we know as afib. I take sodium bentonite in a liquid bentonite from a well known company that supplies the product. First use of bentonite can cause constipation so use should be for 3 days on 4 days off until one gets used to it.Probiotics should be a good brand like Key or dr Ohhiras. If one wants to speed the process a bit diet change can come to play, maybe not a radical as mine since I have become mostly vegetarian. It takes time to heal the monster give yourself a year at least. For more information on this and to get products one can look up unique healing on youtube or simply buy your own wherever you like. It works for me and should work for you.
Detox from Chemicals
Posted by Kathryn4 (Maryland) on 09/13/2013
Just to mention that Afib can be caused by chemicals that have gotten into the heart that you have been exposed to. Clear out those toxins and the heart could be better.
Multiple Remedies
Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 08/15/2013 2042 posts
@Paul: Maybe no quick fix on this one; but here is a list of supportive nutrients for heart health other than you mentioned. CoQ10 or Ubiquinol, Taurine, D Ribose. You may also consider an herbal combination supporting the entire cardiovascular system, which would include: Hawthorn berry, Gingko biloba leaf, White Oak bark, Butchers Broom, Horse Chestnut, Cayenne, Ginger, Garlic.
You may also consider recommendations by Dr. Sinatra. He has a YouTube channel and two very helpful books on heart disease/health.
Multiple Remedies
Posted by Carly (Pnw USA) on 08/15/2013
Dear Paul, Re your AFIB - some suggestions - try to stay away from anything with MSG in it. MSG sets off afib in my husband if he ingests too much of it. Last year he had to have his heart stopped and restarted in the ER to get it back in rhythm. This cost over SEVEN THOUSAND DOLLARS, not to mention the stress of it all. Scary stuff.
After that I read everything I could about afib.... And attempted to figure out why he had it, and then moved on to figure out what he needed to take (and avoid! ) to keep it from happening again.
It is important to keep your electrolytes in balance. My husband now takes daily magnesium 400mg, calcium every other day, 600mg, potassium daily 99mg, and taurine daily 1000 mg.... If he goes into afib, he immediatly takes an additional 1000mg taurine (taurine competes with and takes msg out of the body) and another magnesium and potassium also.
Additional vitamins to think about taking daily would be 1000mg vitamin C, 400mg vit E ( to keep blood thin.... Say no to the rat poison Coumadin that your Dr. will try to put you on! ) a good B complex, zinc, and 100-200mg of CO-Q10.
Thus far we have avoided a return trip to the hospital, knock wood. Hope you can do the same.... good luck.
Multiple Remedies
Posted by Paul (Metamora Michigan) on 08/15/2013
I have had an irregular heart beat and Atrial Fibrillation for some time. I have taken L-carnatine magnesium and acupuncture. Could you provide any further non drug help? Paul
How to Stop Atrial Fib Attacks
Posted by Rick (Long Beach, Ca) on 05/25/2013
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I have had arrythmia (atrial fibrillation) for many years and discovered certain procedures to stop the attacks.
Drink Ice Cold Water
If you experience these super rapid heart beats (approx. 180 per minute) you may find relief by drinking ice cold water. Sometimes just a few swallows will do the trick within a minute but drinking a large glass and then lying down maybe required at other times depending on your condition.
Exhale Through Nose
Another technique I discovered was to inhale through the nose to the count of 4 and then exhale through the mouth for a count of 16. You may have to purse your lips to slow the exhalation sufficiently. Do this 4 times and then wait. It may take several minutes before your regular heart rate suddenly kicks in
Stretch Arms Over Shoulders
Lastly, sometimes just stretching your arms and shoulders over your head as far as you can as if to touch the ceiling and holding it for 10 seconds or more can do the trick. This can also be done lying down.
Another variation of this would be to hang on to something like the molding over door way and stretch. Keep your feet on the floor.
Take Fish Oil
I have had little or no problem with arrythmias when I started taking a good quality fish oil for several months. I don't think I can recommend brands here but it should be high in EPA and DHA and you should take the maximum dose.
Hope this helps.
Dental Issues
Posted by Kevin (Brooklyn, Ny) on 05/17/2013
Thanks for sharing.
Infection
Posted by Anne (Beaverton, Or) on 04/19/2013
Denise, are you able to post the study information for us to locate it? I've been searching, but don't seem to find that one. Thx.
Oat Bran
Posted by Roland (Wedowee, Al) on 03/19/2013
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Afib and Oat Bran: My Doc suggested a diet and exercise to reduce my cholesterol (239) but I've been doing that for years with little success. I've also had my heart skipping a beat about once or twice per minute (for years).
So, I read where an 8 week diet of a half cup of oat bran each day would lower my cholesterol. I started Feb. 21st and the amazing thing to me is that my heart palpitations stopped on the 22nd and I've not had ONE skip and it's only a few days away from being a month. I feel so much better, so much more energy.
My wife has been making delicious oat bran muffins, pancakes, and also just hot cereal with blueberries, so we haven't had problems sticking with thie diet. I will have my cholesterol checked again after another month but sure don't plan to abandon this diet if things continue as they are now.
Infection
Posted by Timh (Louisville, Ky, Usa) on 01/14/2013 2042 posts
Denise: if I am not mistaken, I wathced a YouTube video of the author of this study; a scientist with high degrees and a nobel to boot (if I'm not mistaken). He had enough clout to publish the truth and facts of a common health problem. Dr. Sinatra highly reccomends supplementing Carnitine in combo with the CoQ10 as they commpliment each other in a much better heart health result (he published a book on this but I don't know the title. He also has a youTube page). Also, supplementing the Ubiquinol form of CoQ10 is also reccomended. Also, Vit-E (mixed tocopherols and tocotreinols) work very well w/ Ubiquinol and Selenium. For pathogens, Grapefruitseed extract and Neem will work well in combo or rotate with the Olive Leaf. Oregeno is also indicated.
