Ted's Borax & Peroxide Mange Treatment for Dogs

Hello Karen,

I read your post and a few things stick out to me; you seem to be hitting this demodex mange with everything you have and no improvement: what you are missing in this equation is TIME. It takes time for this condition to resolve - it will not go away after hitting it with the mange remedy 3 times in 1 week - you are looking at 12 weeks of treatment using the mange remedy alone.

The 'goggles' around the eyes sound like demodex; the intense itching does NOT. It sounds like you may have a few things going on here, some of which may require a trip back to the vet.

First things first: you believe you are dealing with demodex [after negative skin scrapings]; you do not mention if your girl is spayed, but the stress of puberty can bring on a demodex outbreak. Do not spay your girl immediately - but consider it AFTER she is healed from this crisis.

Diet is critical - are you feeding top shelf groceries? Read the ingredients on the dog food bag and if you see corn or grains in the first 10 you need to switch to a meat based diet as the food you are feeding will contribute to the health of the skin.

Consider alkalizing your dog's drinking water with baking soda. This can work wonders and is simple and cheap.

As for the mange remedy, mix it up as recommended and dip every other day for the first week [sounds like you did this already] and then every 2-3 days for the next 2 weeks; again you are looking at a run of 12 weeks of treatment.

The red spots that are very itchy sound like they could be a skin infection /secondary bacterial skin infection. If this were my dog I would not hesitate to see the vet for a prescription of antibiotics to treat the staph infection - and I would also dose a *short* course of steroids to deal with the itching - this to give your dog immediate relief and to start the healing. If you are opposed to antibiotics and steroids you could try Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy for the skin infection, along with yucca in the food for the inflammation, and also turmeric too for the inflammation and also for its antimicrobial properties.

Topical application of coconut oil mixed with calendula and also lavender oil may help to sooth the skin. Additional dietary supplements of evening primrose oil, coconut oil or omega rich fish oil may also help the skin.

I would also consider the environment; is there something that your dog is coming into contact with that may be causing an allergic reaction/hives? Things like new carpeting, change of laundry detergent or cleaning products may cause red bumps, along with use of spot on topical flea treatments.

Please keep in mind that healing takes time, and that there are no over night fixes. Please report back.

If we are to try & treat our animals naturally I wouldn't suggest giving any one much less my pet/s anitbiotics or steroids they weaken the immune system big time. I use natural probiotics... My dog is very old and very slow at healing so it's taking me a lot of time to care for her, the vet stated that what is outside is also inside/ it stands to reason, so I use probiotics which are the very best, I gave my dog grapefruit seed extract & an hour later Olive leaf extract (or just Olive leaf with GSE) When my dog came into the living-room she bent down as to go to the bath-room & a huge white mass came out of her. I was happy to find these probiotics actually do work wonders.I found it easier to buy capsules & empty them into their food, I also changed from dog food over to people food such as rice & veggies a few days then another few days on good old fashioned Oatmeal with veggies also the best high in vits. is pumpkin I use the can stuff with other veggies.This is a hard task because I am not well but I love my pets, this dog is eighty years old in peoples age.Imagine that? She is the very best pet ever. I cleaned my Papillion but he didn't seem to be affected at all.I also found another site that uses diatomaceous for mange...which I just so happen to have. Because my very older dog is Still digging holes in her skin after four treatments already.I just need to find if I would mix any thing else with this product.Thank You....

If we are to try & treat our animals naturally I wouldn't suggest giving any one much less my pet/s anitbiotics or steroids they weaken the immune system big time. I use natural probiotics... My dog is very old and very slow at healing so it's taking me a lot of time to care for her, the vet stated that what is outside is also inside/ it stands to reason, so I use probiotics which are the very best, I gave my dog grapefruit seed extract & an hour later Olive leaf extract (or just Olive leaf with GSE) When my dog came into the living-room she bent down as to go to the bath-room & a huge white mass came out of her. I was happy to find these probiotics actually do work wonders.I found it easier to buy capsules & empty them into their food, I also changed from dog food over to people food such as rice & veggies a few days then another few days on good old fashioned Oatmeal with veggies also the best high in vits. is pumpkin I use the can stuff with other veggies.This is a hard task because I am not well but I love my pets, this dog is eighty years old in peoples age.Imagine that? She is the very best pet ever. I cleaned my Papillion but he didn't seem to be affected at all.I also found another site that uses diatomaceous for mange...which I just so happen to have. Because my very older dog is Still digging holes in her skin after four treatments already.I just need to find if I would mix any thing else with this product.

Also, did any one know or hear that Mange in dogs... people can get as well? but peoples mange is called Scabies, only to keep people confused.I just thought I would share Thank You...

Firstly thank you Theresa for getting back to me.

She has not been spayed, waiting for this to clear up first. I believe vaccinations lowered immune system, vet recommended diet of home cooked turkey and boiled potatoes for 2 months to reduce allergy like symptoms made immune system worse. Had a cortizone injection to reduce side effects of 3rd booster shots and then a course of steriods for rash that ensued. This gave her a very bad yeast infection even in her mouth. Mites love yeast and subsequently multiplied leaving her covered in what appears to be very itchy red bites and severe hairloss all over.

We give her now royal canin hypoallergenic food plus little extra turkey or salmon for extra protein, Sesame oil, convalescing dog multi vitamins, omega 3, spirulina, echinacea, 1 teaspoon bicarbonate of soda and 1 tablespoon of apple cider vinegar in morning water, very little fresh garlic in lunch. We are also spraying one side of body with apple cider vinegar and water and the other rubbing down with coconut oil to see which helps with itching best.

I think she is probably allergic to the mite bites.

After teds rinse she goes bright red and still itches. Each bath we loose more n more hair.

We have removed all carpets and its winter here! Wash bedding with extra mild baby soap and spray with teds everyday and in her bed n furniture. Brush coat to increase blood circulation everyday and she looses tons of dead skin.

Can we use ted's rinse everyday in beginning? Am I using correct amount of soda? Tell me more about turmeric - dosage please.

We r impatient because we have been on the top from the first day we got her but got wrong advice because of negative scrappings - 3 - which is normal apparently. Next step biopsy and invermectum which we hate the sounds of.

She seems to be getting so much worse. I can supply extra photos. What can we do to cure eyes n face and now its spreading to her tail since we started with teds formula.

I greatly appreciate any feedback . Its consuming our every waking moment - and Kirra's.

Thank you

It is recommended to add borax to drinking water. Is this safe? And do u highly recommend it, if so how much?

Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 12/12/2014

The borax dose is the same regardless of the weight of dogs. In the end small dogs drink less than large dogs. The only difference is the sex of dogs which the female dog requires half the dosages male dogs.

So a female dog is always 1/8 teaspoon per liter dose. And male dogs is 1/4 teaspoon per liter water. Weight is irrelevant.

Timing:
Borax dosage for 1 week. Then 1/2 dosage in week 2. Stop for 1 week. Resume.

or

Borax dosage for 4 days, then no borax/water for 3 to 4 days. Continue on/off schedule until ailment clears.

Some reduce the dosage depending on weight of dog to prevent side effects but just know that beneficial effects will also take more time to see results when you reduce the dose.

This is most common dosages, just use common sense. Yes borax can be use for many unexplained conditions of dogs and human for simple reason that most unexplained conditions that cannot be cured with bacteria in majority of cases is fungus or parasites which borax does well but also is essential nutrient for the bones and hormones in mammals.

This modified dosaging has already explained long ago but that posting has been forgotten. Yeast infection and fungus and molds is also treated with borax. But there are other remedies but they not easy to find. Ted

Hello Karen,

Are you *sure* you are dealing with demodex? It sounds like allergies from my end of the keyboard. Have you had any positive skin scrapings for demodex? Certainly in a normal dog in order to find demodex you would have to put the dog in a blender and the look for demodex after spinning everything in the centrifuge - but in an afflicted dog - from the photo you provided - you would expect to find all manner of mites, dead ones included, without the need of a blender.

Demodex mites do not bite -they eat skin flakes/skin oils/yeasts. When they die their dissolving bodies in the hair follicle DO cause irritation - and typically symptoms get worse before they get better.

You can do Ted's dip every other day; I don't see a need to do it every day, and you have already given a few dips so at this point you should have interrupted the demodex mite life cycle: IMHO dipping every day at this point will only cause the skin to dry out further.

The red bumps sound like hives to me. You had your girl on a chicken and potato diet -this during an apparent systemic yeast infection. The yeast sure loved the potatoes, that is clear. You can do Ted's Borax Protocol for dogs to combat the systemic yeast. 1 tablespoon baking soda to 1 liter water, right?

The current diet you are feeding is rice and soy with chicken fat. If this were my dog I would consider a home made diet using a different protien - beef or lamb or pork even as long as it is a pure source - anything but chicken/poultry [because she got worse on this diet], mixed with rice, oats or barley even. If you know a good chiropractor you might try AK -applied kinnesiology - and test potential diets or foods to see if they are compatible with your girl.

Additional immune booster would be colostrum - from the health food store. 1/2 tsp turmeric in the food helps with inflammation and has antimicrobial properties; consider yucca drops and querceten for inflammation as well.

Topical neem oil, along with diluted lavender essential oil is something to consider. You might consider bathing on alternate days in an oatmeal and lavender shampoo.

I have resisted using Ivermectin in demodex cases because I have breeding animals, however in the case of non-breeding animals I would not hesitate to use Ivermectin in a case such as yours; I would not, however use Mitaban/Amitraz.
Please keep us posted!

Theresa,

Thanks again for feedback. Will add turmeric as know it is great for many ailments. After extensive research found animal dermatologist specialising in mange who will be in athens on 14th. Will do biopsy. I agree we will use invermectum and not the other chemicals you mentioned if necessary.

I will definitely keep you updated. Thanks for all your help and concern. Karen

I have been dealing with sarcoptic mange in my boston terriers for 6 weeks. I have now made your mixture and followed your protocol. I have soaked my dogs down and I want to know if i can continue this everyday until I see the improvement?

Hi thank you for the wonderful advice.

My beautiful Wolfhound Basil has been very distressed with his Mange. We start your treatment today. :)

Another thing we have found very helpful is raw natural honey, my daughter has bees so we have unprocessed unheated fresh honey.

This morning he was furiously licking the sores on his legs and feet while frantically scratching his armpits.

I applied honey to the affected areas and instantly he is a different dog, No licking nibbling or scratching, albeit a little sticky :)

It seems to be effective for about 4-6 hours

Thank you once again

Jacqueline

Hello, everyone!

Our (my husband and my) sweet dog has been diagnosed with sarcoptic mange. We adopted our loving dog 6 weeks ago. Mistakenly, allergies were thought to be the reason for his itching before we brought him home to live with us. We can tell from his medical records that a scraping had been done when he was newly housed at the shelter and the test result came back negative.

When he came home with us, his itching and scratching increased. We took him to the vet with sores from scratching. A scraping was done as well as allergy tests. A week later we learned the scraping was positive. Ivermectin was prescribed, and with us not knowing better, we administered it. NEVER again!! The worst side effects imaginable. The allergy tests came back positive in many areas.

We will be shopping today for the ingredients to try the Borax-Peroxide-Water bath. We are in the process of building a separate, enclosed room (8'x8'x6') in the garage because our home was invaded by the mites. We, too, have been treated by our physician.

Questions that I have are:

How do you handle the outside environment so he doesn't get reinfected? That is his playground and where he goes to the bathroom.

How do we get rid of them from our garage? (It is heated in the winter; temperate in spring and fall; cool in summer.) When we take care of him to feed him, visit him [I'll read a book to be with him and to keep him company], play with him, clean his kennel and bedding, etc., we are swarmed with these mites. I've never encountered anything like this.

I dress from head-to-toe when going to see our dog, and still I can feel them crawling on my face and in my hair, which is covered.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. We are trying hard but are exhausted.

Regarding the sores; my dog has had a worsening case of demodex for about 2 years. I hold off the symptoms with baths and topicals, but to avoid getting the red, open sores, I have to actually pull out whatever fur happens to be very loose, at any given time. Mostly, he looks normal, although when I've recently pulled the loose fur out of an area, it can look paler than adjacent areas, until the darker hairs grow back. It is rare that all of the hair in an area comes out, even when it seems to come out in clumps. Enough hair remains to cover his skin, except when I have neglected to pull the fur soon enough, and it has developed a sore underneath. I noticed very late in the game that his paws, between the pads, were very infected - meaning the hair practically leapt off when I pulled it, and there was a lot of the waxy substance on it. In a few spots, when the fur came up, it exposed a raw spot which had to be treated. But, as I said, this is rare, since I keep on top of it. I also found that the fur under his chin had become loose; and when I pulled it, there was a raw spot there. Now, that area has been cleaned up. I had to spend quite a lot of time giving him a "pedicure" on all paws; but, as I don't want to use dangerous pesticides, the time spent on avoiding the sores is worth it, to allow us to find the right protocol to get rid of it. I did try the peroxide/borax, to no avail. Next, I'm trying the mustard/msm; I just made a batch and tried it on myself, first, to be sure it's not too irritating. So far, we've had the best luck with a mix of micronized peroxide/sulfur shampoo and various topicals (apple cider vinegar, lavender oil, neem oil, etc. Today, I'm going to add aloe gel to the mix, after the mustard rinse has been on and then washed off). When we do get a sore, I spray it with a 20% ethanol solution (Everclear is ethanol; it's not toxic the way rubbing alcohol is, so it's safer), and put neem oil on it. It clears up.

Hello Jessbcause!

If this were my dog I would take him to the vet and run a thyroid panel. It could be your boy has a low functioning thyroid which would cause all the problems you describe. I think the coconut oil on the skin is a good idea and you might consider adding calendula or lavender to the oil as well. But please consider seeing your vet for a thyroid check.

Jessbcause (Seattle, Washington) ---

My big lovable rescue came to me with these complaints. I found out he had to suffer these conditions for four years before he found me.

Because he suffered this for so long, it will probably take a year or more to heal. There is also staph infection and mites. Fleas are not seen because of the treatments I give. To stop his pain and itching (he was actually screaming) I doused his bloody back with turmeric powder, lots of it. In about three minutes he was quiet and rested in a corner.

Then I treated him with Ted's mite bath but after a month of this his skin started to break, bleed and what coat he had quite rough. So we knew -no borax for dry bleeding skin. I now started to warm Neem Seed Oil and rubbed his entire body being careful of his face as the eyes might tear.

We have this done now for over several months. His coat is beautiful, his skin well lubricated and healthy. He has had two baths with Dr. Bronner's kastile liquid soap with lavender. The mites fall dead and because neem oil stops them from reproducing, the situation has much improved except the coat over his lower back is not as dense. I am treating his head with colloidal silver in a washcloth to get the mites. He had a little, fast growing tumour in his inner ear flap. I applied turpentine from Georgia, US and the thing disappeared within days and that is almost a year now with no recurrence.

Because his coat and skin are so wonderful, we enjoy our session every few days or even once a week. He knows how to turn and roll over by now. The mites seem less but because of their cycle, we have to persevere and be patient. No fleas.

Now I use neem seed oil on my head, too for its benefits.

For any itchy warts, apply iodine with a qu- tip several times. We are starting with this now.

For diet I give coconut oil and/or hemp seed oil. Because the mites seem to go after oil in the skin. I have also used coconut oil but neem oil is good enough. He also gets home made kefir. BTW do treat the tail and end especially with vigilance as mites always start from there.

Good luck with your doggy I am sure you will see light at the end of the tunnel.

Namaste, Om

To Whom it may concern,

I need to know if this mixture will affect my dog he is on prednisone for his hips. Will it have any effect on it?

May God Bless, Trish

Thank you for the comments! So since I made this post, there has been changes for the better! His itching has stopped a lot, but still shakes his head and whole body when he gets up. His head has all of the dry scabs off and his ears he used to not let us even touch, and we can flap them open, massage them, anything! So they cleared up. His energy has picked up as well! We can also see little hairs starting to grow all over his backside where it was bald before. The only thing is he still has some open scabs on his upper back. There is a little patch of hair left, I feel most the mites are there though. We keep giving him a bath every 3-4 days so we are just keeping and staying positive :). We definitely will take them into the vet if he gets any worse!

I will keep in mind everyone's advice - thank you!

JessBcause

This poor dog. Had it for 11 years? Is that all you feed for diet?? What about protein etc.. You know, things like meat and offal and bones?

You say "sensitive skin". But what is the dogs diet? Immune system is no doubt compromised.

Just wanted to say ... I took my dog to the vet .. and the skin scraping didn't reveal having mange.... but all of a sudden the brown crust from my dog's anal area started moving its way up his body .... and I have 4 other dogs itching crazy ... I used this treatment about 2 days ago on all the dogs .. their skin went back to a mild pink from a bright red..... the itching has stopped about 75% .... so far so good ... thanx ted ;)

Get food grade diatomecious earth from Home Depot or tractor supply. It must be food grade. Mix w water and bathe dogin it. Also Google it's either a teaspoon or tablespoon to sprinkle on food or mix w food for him to eat it. Also get spray bottle half apple cider vinegar and half water shake and spray dog every single day. Do not miss one day of this. Make sure to get it on his arms so he can lick it as well. Don't forget to treat ears. Also, I would get dropper bottle and every day and do 2-3 drops of the half n half mix of vinegar in the ears and rub under ear so it gets deep in the ear canal. Do not make it too wet. If it gets too wet, do it every other day or only do 2 drops instead of three good luck. Oh and bath the dog at least once a week. If it were my dog I would do 2 or three till you see results from diatomaceous earth.

Am wondering if I need to bathe my dogs before applying the treatment. I have a 4 month old with mange that spread to my 2 year old. Poor babies are itchy and scabby. Any suggestions?

Do I need to shampoo my dog before I use the peroxide/borax treatment?

Yes first bathe the dog! Preferably with a gentle shampoo so as to keep the skin hydrated.

How many mix solution every treatment/bathe? ex. in shih tzu. Thanks.

The borax does not dilute, just settles on the bottom.

Small molecules of benzyl peroxide in shampoo (5 microns or so) help to remove the waxy substance the mites use to block off the hair follicles, which prevents any treatments from getting down to them; it also causes the skin to develop sores. I found a shampoo that combines that and sulfur together, which seems to work. I think it's also good to use some kind of conditioning treatment, to prevent over-drying. I use one with enzymes, which should also help to prevent the waxy buildup. In fact, although his condition is generalized and the hair continues to loosen, we haven't had much waxy buildup since I got those shampoos.

Just wanted to say we had more than Mange! The Teds Mange cure has really helped the neck and the problems of hair loss their and itching.

But her eye and chin and parts of neck where not cured. So she also has Systemic yeast. The low immue system mess up by who knows breeding, Vet drugs, vaccines and so forth caused all kinds of problems.

So now we are onto using Homepathic Candida, Homeopathic Sulf. Great help. Thankful I have that in my plan.

Just started an Nzymes program. A woman told me how her dog was cured..she cried. I am amazed. They Misdiagnosed as say it is dog allergies...and then comes the fun and expense and heartache. That was my case.

It has been once week and we have started to heal. Warning it gets worse first!! Because the body is detoxing and sends it out onto the skin!!!! I was told by my Homeopathic Dr. to add Milk Thistel drops to her food to help the liver with the detoxing stress. But so worth it to get it gone. It can take 2 months to see results and then must keep it up for 1 year to get the yeast out of the body for ever!!!

Systemic yeast is hard to cure. Look at the video's and google video's on enzymes to learn even more. So wonderful.

I did want to also say that the Mange cure really really helped the itching! So thankful. Then when the eye and neck didn't heal I started the Nzyem protocal. The itch got awful..and her eye swelled with the skin around it and neck. But in a few days with a does of Sulf 200 and the detoxing starting to slow down the itch is almost gone in a week. The skin is slow. But we are on away. Think about it like me it make take several methods to build the dogs body up so all these things don't muliply. Sorry.. the vet stuff is not not not a cure! Though may look good for a while but ususally comes back. Or something worse comes as it is suppressing the immune not curing it. We heal from the head down and reverse order. Herring Law of cure. But in the end you want to cure your animal and I believe it is worth it to stay on it with diet and natural curative approachs. There is not easy fix for yourself or you dog. Cure is cure.

Is it safe to use this on a pregnant Labrador?

Absolutely safe! Good luck with your pups!

From what I've read, I understand that after I wash my dog with the solution, I'm not supposed to rinse her. Is this correct? I mean, what if my dog licks her skin? Is the borax dangerous if it's ingested?

Hey Dave!

Borax is safe if your dog licks her skin. Borax is a remedy for yeast and fungal infections as well as a necessary mineral.

Will the solution affect carpeting? Or do you spray them with it and take them outside?

Thanks!

Hi Philippa,

I have a dog who had a very serious issue with staph infections down his spine the past year. Please be careful those scabs don't turn into a worse infection. You'll be able to tell by the smell. My dog ended up with MRSA, which was a real nightmare to treat. If the staph formula does not improve your dog, I suggest you find a topical spray to help heal some of the scabs. I have two sprays that I use when my dog has scabs, one is called Vetericyn Wound Spray and the other is Vet's Best Hot Spot spray. The Vet's Best has been great along his spine, but under his armpits, I use the Vetericyn. I also use an anti-staph and MRSA shampoo I found on Amazon called DermabenSs that has done wonders at keeping my dog's skin from being too itchy and inflamed. I must shampoo him at least once or twice a week (depending on how hot it is outside) to keep his skin calm. You also might want to consider his diet to boost him immune system. I have been experimenting with different holistic brands the past 2 years and my dog seems to do best on a grain-free fish formula.

Hope your doggie improves very soon!

Hey Phillipa!

Did your terrier get a vet scraping to confirm mange mites? I ask because what you describe doesn't strike me as mange, more like flea allergy or an allergy of some sort.

You can do the staph remedy in a spray bottle and just spray the bad spots with it.

One thing you might consider is the diet; avoid any kibble with grains, food dyes and un-named protein sources. Diet changes take a few weeks to show improvement, but they can make a huge difference.

Yes, he had a scraping which showed bad mite infestation.

Yes, this is my concern. Gophers did go on anti biotics but the scabs are still there and he keeps itching. Have started to apply the anti staph remedy as a lotion so we'll see. Maybe he should have anti biotics too. Have also realised I may have compromised the mange remedy by not using distiller water, will do that from now on.

Hey, my girl is really ithcy during the summers and she keeps chewing her legs, paws, and the back of her body, also really bad itching on the belly. She doesn't have hair loss nor are their are some sort of patches, the skin on her legs (some parts) is sort of blue, I have treated her with lots of medicated shampoes and other vet prescribed stuff, but nothing works. I can't figure out if it's mange or allergies? Also her skin smells too, maybe that's due to the chewing. Please guide.

Hey Lacat!

Ted's Mange cure is great on mange - but what you describe does not sound like a mange mite infection. What you describe to me sounds more like a diet incompatibility/allergic to something in the food. So what are you feeding? Read the ingredients on the food you are feeding - if you see grains in the first 7 ingredients diet could likely be the culprit, and a diet switch to a grain free food is in order.

You might also consider alkalizing the water for your dog - this helps balance the PH in your dog's system which will help with the itching; you might also consider adding borax to the water as this helps to combat a systemic yeast infection which can occur on a grain based diet.

You can continue with the mange remedy, but you might also consider Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy instead - particularly as it will address infection on the skin - you may need to apply it daily or several times per day to keep your pet comfortable while the skin heals.

I will say if you are dealing with big, open infected sores that I would not hesitate to see the vet. They may suggest a cortizone shot for the itching - read up on this as there is a possibility for a bad reaction; they will also recommend an antibiotic for the infection. You might be able to use an OTC antibiotic you can buy at any drugstore for the infected sores. I am in agreement with you on avoiding the chemical dips.

One thing that may help are the addition of probiotics to the diet; acidophillus pills are the most direct way, but raw sauer kraut is also very good and some people have had good results with adding a spoonful of yogurt to the diet.

Please report back on your results!

Hi Theresa many thanks for your reply and I am wondering about it being a food allergy or a thyroid issue.

I have been making her meals myself and I rotate different proteins every few days - beef, mutton, chicken, eggs and fish mixed with liquidised or finely chopped vegetables (e.g. cucumber, celery, greens) I add a probiotic (Lacto 5), enzymes (Young Living Essentialzyme 4 or Allerzyme), cod liver oil, flaxseed oil, coconut oil, ACV, Zinc, Vit E, garlic etc etc.

I must say she doesn't seem to drink much so I add filtered water to her food.

She has had NO grains/carbos/sweets for about 2 months now.

Her ears were particularly bad for the last 2 days (having seemed to be getting better - I clean them every day) so I bought and treated her ears with a herbal remedy last night and again this morning and I used YL Animal Scents on her sores last night and this morning and I have to say she seems a lot calmer this morning :)

I am wondering if she has been experiencing Hex????? - the die-off syndrome after the mites have been attacked?

I am very interested to hear detailed experiences of what people's experiences have been when they started using Ted's cure. Did their dog get sudden eruptions of red, spotty areas and increased itchiness in new spots and how long did this last? She seems to be very irritated around the anus - is it possible the die off is also causing a problem in her anal sacs or is this more likely an issue if her problem is allergy related?

Thank you!

Dear Lacat,

My dog, BuBu ( just passed away) started scratching when he was 5 year olds and after his back surgery, his skin problem got worse, especially in the summer, his fur fell off and the open sore all over, he looked like he got burn. We took him to the Dermatologist, the Vet put him on antibiotic for one month and when he was off antibiotic, his skin broke out again. After 2 months on antibiotic, I started to search on line , tried everything for him ( I do the process of the elimination in parallel ) some worked for few month and he suffered again. Finally, I found the website- www.Nzymes.com, I ordered and followed the healthy skin program. They say that the condition will get worst at the 3 rd month before getting better, but on my dog, he got better right away after one month and his skin was completely clear up in six months, he was like a new dog. I ordered the large kit ( $117 or sth..) that lasted over a year. After one and a half year his itchy started coming back but not terrible like before and he wasn't crazy biting his paws like before.

I don't know if this can help your dog or not but I would like to share my experience with you. I understand how despairing you are because I did go through it before. My heart was broken everytime my dogs got sick.

You can read about the healthy program @ www.Nzymes.com.

ps: Please, don't put your dog on antibiotic again, it isn't good for our four leg friends. I wish the best for your dog.

Hey Lacat!

You might consider keeping a food diary for your dog to see if there is a pattern; in conjunction with the diary also temporarily cease the rotating protien diet and just feed 1 protien at a time for a period of time, ie chicken protien for 2 weeks and log results, then switch to mutton protien and log results: you may be able to identify if a particular protien is problematic for your dog.

I still question the parasitic mite issue; what you describe does not sound like mites - but it does sound like systemic yeast to me. I have known instances in confirmed demodectic mange where the mange 'rash' got worse before it got better - this in particularly bad cases and affecting areas where the rash existed prior, so not erruptions in new areas. The particular irritation around the anus just strikes me as systemic yeast. If this were my dog I would do borax in the water to combat the yeast internally - this along with the probiotic regime you are doing. A Herx reaction in this case might result in lethargy, dog just not feeling good while the toxins work their way out of the system. Support might be milk thistle, and other herbs or supplements for liver, kidneys and gallbladder support.

You might consider YL lavender oil diluted with coconut oil as a salve for the anus area; calendula would also be good. You can make a paste of borax and milk of magnesia to apply on the sores but do not work it into the skin as if the skin is in a reactive state rubbing might raise more hives. Anti-inflammatories such as quercetin, turmeric and yucca may be of help, so you might consider adding at minimum turmeric to the cocktail of nutritional supplements you are currently dosing.

It might also be helpful to make up Ted's antifungal/antistaph solution and keep it in a spray bottle to allow you to frequently spritz trouble spots on your dog without having to dip the entire dog on the alternate days after the mange dips.

I will keep the thinking cap on for you this weekend. Good luck and report back!

Hi Lacat,

I was about to write a very long update to the itchy skin/yeast infection/skin infection/MRSA/hematoma issues I have dealt with in my dog for the past 18 months, but saw your post and wanted to respond since it sounds like you are going through what I did. Here is a quick list of the things that have really helped my dog heal after 1.5 years of constant itching and skin infections. These are not home remedies, but products you can find on a site like Amazon.com.

1. Dermabenss Shampoo - I found this product after typing in "shampoo for MRSA" and reading reviews on Amazon.com and bought it. It has been WONDERFUL at healing my dog's itchy skin and preventing more staph infections. I believe it really turned things around for my dog. I only use it once a week even though the instructions suggest every few days. This shampoo is better than any of the shampoos the vet gave me to try. Apple cider vinegar rinse and Ted's borax/peroxide rinse did not help at all.

2. Vet's Best Hot Spot Spray - Inexpensive yet very effective. This spray will help quickly heal any skin lesions. It proved to be better than all the home remedies and sprays I tried for almost a year.

3. Epi-Optic Advanced for ears. Use this once a week. It is VERY important to stay on top of the ear situation. I figured out that my dog's staph infections were most likely caused by him scratching his ears, which had yeast and bacteria overgrowth, and then scratching other parts like his stomach. Staph in the making...

4. Zymox Otic HC 1.0 Enzymatic Solution for ears. If you dog has an ear infection, please use this. The amazing Theresa on Earth Clinic wrote about this product in one of her posts and it has been fantastic.

5. The food I now use: The Honest Kitchen - Base Mix. I add raw ground beef to it. I don't think my dog's problems are related to food allergies, rather pollen, but this food has been great.

Hope this helps. Please let us know how it goes!

Dear Theresa, Lizzy and Thuy Tran

A huge thank you for your comments!

Apart from continuing with the mange baths, I have been adding 1/2tsp turmeric mixed with a pinch of freshly ground black pepper, garlic and olive oil to Fizzy's food morning and night for the last few days. Her food has been raw lungs with a little bit of liquidised greens, an occasional boiled egg and crushed shell and all the supplements added.

This seems to have turned the situation around somewhat and she has now safely had her cone off for the last 3 days (without self-mutilating! ) The lesion on her neck is healing slowly and she is not chewing her feet and ears like she was but is scratching a bit at her chin and around her mouth (where I haven't been putting the mange cure now that I think about it! ) Her ears seem to get better and then bad again but she is not scratching them and shaking her head as badly as she was.

Although her hair seemed to start growing back rapidly when I first started the treatment, it seems to have slowed down now which is a bit disappointing - not sure if it just appears that way though...

All in all things are looking up and I will keep you posted :)

Cannot thank you all, Ted and whoever is responsible for this site, enough - you have saved my sanity (and Fizzy's as well I'm sure! )

Your dog is scratching from pain in my opinion. I would encourage you to stop everything for a while - all the treatments, the strange food things, all of it. Go simply to meat, raw bones, cooked rice, and water (boil the water first, scald all bowls). Feed your dog a tablespoon of yogurt 2 times a day. Give your dog benadryl to ease anxiety/scratching and a baby aspirin. (Here is the dosage information. http://www.veterinaryplace.com/dog-medicine/benadryl/ ) Additionally, I washed my dog with this highly recommended shampoo and it really works for all mites, etc. SynergyLabs Veterinary Formula Clinical Care Antiparasitic & Antiseborrheic Medicated Shampoo for Dogs. It is GREAT. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0037Z6VK8?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o09_s00 I did this with my dog and the change was amazing. The medicine treated the symptoms and allowed her to relax until her skin healed. The shampoo treated the skin, and the change in diet really calmed all the other issues we were having. I hope this helps you.

Hi and Thank GOD for this site and Ted! I just wanted to mention that less is more when attempting to identify food allergies. The elimination diet is best. Only one meat source (beef is a cool meat for dogs with heat). Try ground beef and green beans. My dog is allergic to chicken and ALL dog foods have chicken (they say they don't but animal byproducts is chicken). Eliminate all ingredients for 3 weeks except one protein and veggie. Then ask vet for Wind Toxin - Traditional Chinese Medicine. Blessings.

It is my understanding for many years that all animals/ meats are experimented on then covered up by using antibiotics and steroids.... The only place you can get home grown meats are on a farm all pure home raised. Good Luck

Dear Theresa,

Just thought I should check in again as it has been a long time since I posted as tbh I haven't had any good news re Fizzy and her skin since my last posting. It has continued in a sort of flare up and die down cycle all this time. Unfortunately as we were moving countries, I had to resort to medication to try and suppress the symptoms as I was told she might not be accepted into USA if she was looking unhealthy. Thankfully she made it here but as soon as she came off the medication her symptoms flared up again as bad as ever despite the ongoing raw diet, supplements etc.

However there is now light at the end of this 2+ year dark tunnel..... I have put her on a Yeast Starvation Diet that consists of just raw beef, boiled eggs and a good "greens" supplement. I also did the Baking Soda in her water, a pre+probiotic and Vit E/omega supplement and have been washing her in Malaseb shampoo. Within a couple of weeks she has stopped scratching completely and now after about 5 weeks, just about all her rough, thickened, dry, grey skin areas have hair growing over them - including those little patches on her elbows!! Her ears are no longer swollen and black and she is full of energy. Yoohooo I am so happy and so is she!!

I think the point worth making is that it was perhaps the fruit/vegetables in her raw food diet that were aggravating her yeast? Or maybe it is the wonderful "greens" product that has helped her (Spark). Who knows??? As I slowly start re-introducing some veggies into her diet maybe I will find out the answer.

Wishing all of you who are going through this nightmare with your dog to persevere - hopefully the solution is just around the corner!

Thank you all for your input and ideas :)

Hey Lacat!

Fizzy sounds like a dog I once had who broke out in hives anytime the wind changed direction. It is so difficult to stay on top of inhalent allergies - it is a never ending up hill battle. What helped was the constant rotation of water- from plain to baking soda to borax to plain, and also swapping out the chow from chicken diet to pork diet to beef diet and so on. Home made and RAW diets are best, but if you have to feed kibble rotate the protien bases often - and some find that daily rotation of protien provided the best results. Yeast can bloom on a whim - the dog under extra stress, the wrong food treat - so you always will be dealing with this issue. The maleseb shampoo is very effective! You may find you can buy the working ingredients in bulk at your local farm and fleet or tractor supply store, so you can buy a gallon of chlorhexidine and then add 1 oz to human tea tree oil shampoo and then rinse and finish with an ACV rinse and obtain good results.

Thank you for your update!

Hey Penelope!

Did you brush your dog on a daily basis prior to treatment? I ask because I have experienced the cartoon like dandruff on a dog that had not had a bath in a very long time nor had he been brushed in ages; the skin flaked off and reminded me of oatmeal, and I brushed and brushed for days to get all the sloughed skin out of his coat. It could just be that the dip loosened the old skin and your dog is sloughing all his dead skin and will need a good daily brushing for the next week or so.

The thickened patches of skin sound like abraded skin that has been scratched for some time. You can apply a calendula cream or coconut oil twice daily or so to these areas to help soften the skin and promote healing.

One thing that I find helpful in keeping the itches away from my pack is alkalizing their drinking water with baking soda; I rotate this with Ted's Borax Protocol, so when we are not doing an alkalizing regime we are doing a Borax regime. Keeping the PH in balance and using the Borax to combat yeast is simple to do and cheap, and can provide great results.

Hey Leeniemud!

You can give your Pokie the spa treatment; massage olive oil into his coat and let him sit for 15 minutes, and then bath; do this inbetween mange treatment baths. Just do 1 shampoo after the oil treatment and towel really well - he will be oily, so towel well but do NOT get all the oil off; he will keep until the next bath/mange treatment.

I would also give him oils in his food - 1 teaspoon olive oil in his food am and pm; you can upgrade to higher quality oils like evening primrose oil or salmon oil, etc. -but in a pinch olive oil works well.

After treating my dog pokie now for 10 weeks using Ted's Mange Cure he was almost totally cured, fur grown back and all, then the mange travelled down to his paws about 2 weeks ago. I've tried soaking them and putting nu-stock all over them but the mange is very stubborn.

It now appears my other dog has gotten it in his paws. My Newbie is going for a skin scraping this week. What I believed was demodectic mange may be sarcoptic mange and I am heartbroken for him and wished I had taken pokie for a skin scraping. It's difficult when you are limited with funds. Hopefully it'll work out for the best.

My question is how long does pododermatitis mange take to cure? I read that it is difficult to treat.

Hey Leeniemud!

Ted's Mange remedy applies to both demodectic and sarcoptic mange mites, however the sarcoptic mange mites can be picked up from outside, so can reinfect your pets over and over.

Pododemidicosis typically occurs after a demodectic mange outbreak; it is not something that is spread from the feet of one dog to the feet of another dog - that sounds more like sarcoptic mange.

Please tell us what your vet finds out.

After taking Newbie to the vet his skin scrape came back negative for mites. He was diagnosed w/a skin infection and and is on antibiotics. As for the sore on his tail, it looks like some kind of bite. As for pokie, I will keep up w/the baths and dipping for a few more weeks and his paws look a little better. Thanx for the reply Theresa

Missy my Shar Pei has had puppy mange since she was 8 weeks old. She is now 2 yrs old. She has been on all types of antibiotics & shampoos etc. Something called SMZ/TMP. He has even given her the new Bravecto which is $46 for just one dose. She has been scraped numerous times. I called her vet again yesterday & this next round of meds is going to be $247. I call her "my money pit". I just love her to death. Wouldn't know what to do without her. She is so sweet & funny, makes me laugh. Even with all she has gone thru. I'm on Soc Sec & have a limited amount of money. She is always scratching & chewing on herself. Her hair is all over the house. You can just pet her & the hair just falls out. So is anyone has any suggestions I would really love to hear them.

If you have olive oil, add a tablespoon with each meal, I also give my baby fish oil.

I'm trying regular cooking oil, I just apply with cotton balls. I read about it on another site. It says it will kill the mites and stop the itching. So far she's not itching so we'll see.

Probiotics are better for every one concerned, antibiotics and steroids are very abrasive to the body, we have illnesses because our immune system is very low, and by giving any one antibiotics makes matters worse.We are defeating our own purposes. The very best probiotics are grapefruit seed extract & dandelion root..Good Luck

I have a Shar-pei and a Rotty and have had an already long agonising journey with vets...meds...multiple diagnoses including being told its normal for shar-pei's to suffer! And home remedy's in between. Now I've purchased various supplements as the dogs symptoms started to re-appear after a few months on grainfree dry dogfood. I am about to start implementing any advice I've taken from this page and other notes I've collected and will post in future the results as I see them... I'm not a great communicator I rarely answer txts let alone write things on forums but seeing other people in my situation at wits end I felt I had to commit myself to share anything that may help anyone else.

Hi there, noticed you use DE, how much do you give your dog? I have a JRT 7kg 11mths old. Thanks