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(Mpls., Mn)
07/10/2014
Hey Pam!
The life spam of a demodex mite is 18-24 days. What this means is that you should continue to dip your dog for another 4 weeks after everything looks cured - so generally for 12 weeks. If you see good results you can go to just 1 dip per week. When you use the borax/hydrogen peroxide, the hydrogen peroxide acts as a penetrant to deliver the borax into the hair follicles; the borax is the miticide and its the borax that kills the mites. When the mites die, they stay right where they are in the hair follicle and dissolve; it is the decaying mites that can cause irritation. You may find that the appearance of the skin worsens before it gets better. You may find it helpful to make up a gallon batch of the remedy and simply stand your dog in a wash tub for 10 minutes to better treat the feet, as pododemidicosis can be very stubborn. Just be sure to follow the directions to a T - enough borax to the point it no longer dissolves and no rinsing or drying - let her air dry without any bedding in her crate for half an hour before allowing her out to shake off the excess and finish air drying.
You can address the flaky skin a few ways. Topical application of coconut oil with a few drops of essential oil of lavender; orally dosing with Oil of Primrose - 1 capsule am and pm; and you can also dose the coconut oil or other such oil such as salmon oil in the chow am and pm - one half teaspoon.
(Shawano, Wi)
07/10/2014
I have been making enough of the solution to put in a small cooler and I just set her in that, the solution covers her back and use a wash cloth to wet her head, neck and ears. I let her in it for at least 10 minutes and then take her for a walk around the yard in the warm sun to dry her. She is on Derma Form for her dry skin, it's Omega 3's and Omega 6's and vitamins, she is also still on antibiotics for the pustules. She only itches her neck when she has her collar on so that comes off in the house.
(Mpls., Mn)
07/11/2014
Hey Pam!
The pustules sound like a secondary staph infection - you might consider Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph solution for one of your twice weekly dips.
Anti fungal/staph skin solution - you will need:
Milk of Magnesia [magnesium hydroxide]
Epsom salts [magnesium sulfate]
Borax [sodium tetraborate]
1% hydrogen peroxide solution
Mix 1 tbsp of MOM with 1 tbsp epsom salt and 1 tbsp borax into 1-1/2 cups of 1% hydrogen peroxide. Apply and do not rinse. This solution should knock out any staph infection or yeast infection going on in the skin.
Additionally the addition of 1 teaspoon of baking soda in one half liter of drinking water [this is a crisis dose] may also help and will calm problem skin in a matter of hours. Once the skin is under control, for long term maintenance use 1/2 tsp of baking soda per liter of water. If the 1 teaspoon of baking soda into one half liter of water tastes too strange for your dog, try diluting it to 1 teaspoon to three liters of water for the first day, then increase to one and one half teaspoon into three liters on the second day and so on. The crisis dose should be given 5-7 days before going on to the maintenance dose.
(Shawano, Wi)
07/11/2014
I wish I could add to her drinking water but she doesn't drink! I have to give her water and/or formula with a dropper. She refuses to drink anything from a bowl. I just now in the last month can get her to lick at the formula in a shallow dish but she won't touch water.
I will try the other formula even tho she is on antibiotics but this is the third antibiotic she has been on and this one doesn't seem to be working either.
(Mpls., Mn)
07/11/2014
Hey Pam!
Sounds like you have a really, really smart puppy on your hands! My BIL's dog would not eat out of a bowl for years and years - only ate if the food was on the carpet! Needless to say, he shampooed the carpet frequently!
Why is your dog drinking formula?
If you are feeding soft, canned or wet food water consumption will go down. I would try to get your dog to drink the baking soda water 3 x day - use a 10+ ml syringe if you have it and just tip her head back, put the nozzle of the syringe in the corner of her mouth and slowly depress the plunger. Some will drip out, but she will be swallowing some as well. You might also consider using a hanging water bottle - Lixit makes one for small dogs - and hang that in her kennel filled with plain water; she might surprise you by taking to it without any instruction!
(Shawano, Wi)
07/11/2014
When we got her she was 2 pounds and very weak, our Vet called her a "failure to thrive" puppy and he put her on formula because it was high in vitamins and proteins and she needed the nourishment. After 3 days she started coming around a little and that's when we started the canned puppy food. I found out that the people that had her kept her kenneled all the time and fed her hard food and water from a large water bowl. I heard she almost drowned in the water bowl and she is still deathly afraid of anything wet in a large bowl. I have tried the water bottle, she won't touch it. I can make a small amount of the baking soda solution and give it to her with the syringe, she'll take it then. And yes, she eats soft puppy food, I have to have it in my hand before she will eat it, but just recently she will take it off the floor. She has a really hard time with hard food of any kind, I keep trying to get her to eat it but mostly she just leaves it sit. She has a double row of teeth, both upper and lower and has difficulty eating, everything gets caught in her teeth. The Vet said she is not healthy enough to have them pulled and they won't touch her with this "mange". She will be 11 months in August but she is just starting to be a "puppy".
(Hope, Bc Canada)
07/11/2014
Pam from Shawano. Wi----- what I did about those skin flakes. I took a wash cloth soaked in diluted ACV. That needed done just a few times. It changes the ph and cleans the skin which can then regenerate. Only when that was clear, did I use VCO rubbing it in well. If the skin is bare VCO mixed with cold pressed castor oil works very well. I use it on my face and hair. When things begin to look good, spray with orange essential oil which is also used as a household cleaner. It sure kills any buggers and is to be preferred over poisoning blood for the fleas. It works well for me.
Namaste, Om
(Hope, Bc Canada)
07/11/2014
Pam from Shawano. Wi ----three antibiotics! Now it will be very difficult to get the dog back on par. Believe me, I speak from experience. When the precious immune system is beaten down as it were with a sledge hammer which is the allopathic method, superbugs, fungi, candida find the door wide open. Recent research also says that cancer can then make its debut.
The immune system is GOD given and logic says to kill every bacteria, good or bad, cannot be holistic. I lost some rescue cats that way when I was not enlightened enough.
I would get off the antibiotic - they are anti life and give pre and probiotics daily to boost the immune system. Just prescribing antibiotics freely and leave it at that is tantamount to "I do not know how to deal or heal". Next one, please.
Health is a business, think about it and take charge, doing research on EC or wherever you find inspiration.
By now antibiotics and pharma meds are found in all the water ways, causing new diseases. The planet is polluted by them.
I hope you understand. Namaste, Om
(Shawano, Wi)
07/11/2014
What is ACV? And what is a pre and probiotics. Please talk in terms I can understand. I have no idea what you are talking about. Yes, I will stop the antibiotics but you have to understand my pup's immune system probably never worked correctly. This in one of the reasons she has all these problems...
(Mpls., Mn)
07/12/2014
Hey Pam!
Thanks for the background info! What breed is your dog - is she a tiny toy breed?
If this were my dog I would change a few things. I would hang the doggy water bottle or a few of them around at her level so she can encounter them in her environment and get used to seeing them. Then I would spice them up by putting attractive toys on top of them so she is drawn to them for the toy alone. And most important, don't pay any attention to the or her checking them out - turn your back and ignore! I would also provide a few interactive treat balls that you can fill with cubed cheese, vitamin treats or kibble. These toys will engage her brain and nose and give her an activity that doesn't require your hand for her to eat.
I would also give her a nearly raw, meaty bone. Depending on her size a chicken thigh bone would work, or pork chop bone, pork rib bone, or T-bone steak bone. If she is a larger breed then I prefer beef rib bones. I make these by baking the rack of ribs at 350 for half an hour; this leaves the bone raw in the center, the meat rare and the outside is browned up and flavorful. Given her 'shark mouth' working on the bone [trim most but not all of the meat off] may loosen retained teeth while she flosses and tones up her gums - and also the protein in the meat won't hurt either!
(Mpls., Mn)
07/12/2014
Hey Pam!
Not Om, but since I am online, ACV is apple cider vinegar. The therapeutic stuff is raw, unfiltered, organic, and contains live cultures, ie 'with the mother'.
Probiotics are the beneficial bacteria that normally populate a healthy gut. Three rounds of antibiotics has decimated your dog's healthy internal flora, so you need to introduce new bacteria to repopulate her gut. There are special pet products you can buy - certain strains of acidophilus, but I find it is easiest to just go to the refrigerated section at the health food store and but what is on sale! And then rotate the brands so that you provide a variety of strains of bacteria. If nothing else a trip to the drug store for 'Shiff's Digestive Advantage' would be a start. Sprinkle on the wet food when you feed it - but wait adding it to her meals until she is off the antibiotic she is on.
(Shawano, Wi)
07/12/2014
She is a Min Pin - so small breed dog. I give her plain yogurt so that should help a little, will see what other kinds of food are "pre and pro bionic" She likes people food. I tried the water bottles all over but my other puppy thinks they are her toys and knocks them off. Plus there is a small water dispenser for the other pup and Josie won't go near it. I am giving her the soda water from a syringe a couple times a day and am going to do the other treatment tomorrow. I took her off the antibiotic, it wasn't working anyway.
I will cook a chicken thigh tomorrow and give her the bone - she likes lamb ears to chew on and she has lots of toys she chews. I think she actually lost a tooth yesterday so I am hoping that all those teeth are puppy teeth and she will lose them eventually, that is what the Vet thinks also. Since she is so far behind for her age maybe she is finally "catching up".
She is so much more active since I started the Mange treatment, I am thinking she is finally starting to feel better. That other person told me to do the ACV treatment but I am going to wait on that for a while if I do both the treatments (the ACV and the one for her pustules) I won't know what one worked. Besides she is really not "flaky" you have to either brush her or use your fingernail so scrap them loose. That's why I though maybe it was the dead mange coming off. The ones that come out are long, thin pieces and my fingers and the brush feels oily. If I had a microscope I would bet they were the dead mange. It doesn't look like a "dandruff" type flake.
(Mpls., Mn)
07/13/2014
Hey Pam!
I don't know what you are scraping off with your nails but it isn't dead demodex mites; I wonder if your vet could check them out? Scrape some out and drop them off for the vet to look at under the microscope - I'd be curious to know. Oily is usually seborrhea.
If Josie is super playful - what mini-pin isn't? - then lot's of tug-o-war is in order. A simple rag or old sock and you are set. You can also teach 'take it' and 'drop it' while you work those teeth loose!
Another thought on the water bowl would be a cookie sheet. The challenge would be to find gradually smaller and smaller sheets, and then to increase the depth of the sheets gradually until you go from jelly roll to brownie pan.
The yogurt is the right idea, but IMHO you pack more bang for the buck going straight for the encapsulated form of probiotic/acidophilus.
(Shawano, Wi)
07/13/2014
(Shawano, Wi)
07/14/2014
(Shawano, Wi)
07/15/2014
When we got her this is what her skin looked like. No hair on neck and belly. her eyes were half open and the whiteish hair on her cheeks and the tips of her ears. The whiteish hair is what I was referring to when I said I can use my fingernail and scrap it loose. Then is almost looks like dandruff but it's oily.
This is her neck area today - notice ears are healed and eyes are open - less white around them and the cheeks have gotten better but the whitish stuff is still there.
I can't seem to get a good picture of the spots on her back - they were pussy, bloody pimple type spots and then the hair was gone on those spots, doesn't seem to be growing back in either.
(Shawano, Wi)
07/20/2014
Anybody have any idea what this could be, if it's not Demodectic Mange? She does not itch unless she has collar on. Any ideas as to how to treat this? The Mange treatments seems to be helping, the white areas around her face and eyes are going away but the neck area seems to be worse. Sorry could not get any clear pictures of her double rows of teeth both top and bottom, she refused to cooperate!
(Mpls., Mn)
07/20/2014
Hey Pam!
Sounds like your min-pin has seborrhea:
http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-seborrhea
Your dog's case could be considered 'secondary seborrhea' because it appears in connection with the demodex.
The bloody pustules on the back could be allergies or could be staph. If the scabs are healing over, I would give it time for the hair to come back.
I would certainly continue with the baking soda water as alkalizing often helps overcome some allergy symptoms.
(Mpls., Mn)
07/20/2014
Hey Pam!
I would offer the raw/rare beef rib bones for the shark mouth; chicken thigh bones are good for the molars, but for pulling out retained shark teeth you need sinew and cartilage, so give a beef bone or T bone if you can.
I think the itching with the collar is normal; I would make sure the collar is smooth on the inside, so there is no irritation caused by the collar. Do keep in mind that any attention you pay to her when she scratches only serves to reinforce the behavior, so ignore her when she has the collar on - she may quit the behavior in a few days if you simply ignore it. Can't hurt to try!
And I think you may be dealing with secondary seborrhea - I posted on it below.
(Hope, Bc Canada)
07/20/2014
(Shawano, Wi)
07/20/2014
So how do I treat the 'secondary seborrhea'. I gave her the Anti staph/anti fungal treatment, should I continue with this? I am also doing the Mange treatment 2 times a week now (it seems to be helping). I bathe her with medicated shampoo and have been rinsing with the diluted ACV. The sores are healed - just no hair yet. Plus she has not gotten any new ones since I started the Mange treatments. I have been giving her water with baking soda also. I gave her a chicken thigh bone and she shredded it in minutes. Will look for beef bone, all the stores here get boneless meat so no one has beef bones, even the restaurants use the boneless meat. Will keep looking for beef bone.
(Mpls., Mn)
07/21/2014
Hey Pam!
Please read up on seborrhea in dogs:
http://pets.webmd.com/dogs/dog-seborrhea
http://www.merckmanuals.com/vet/integumentary_system/seborrhea/overview_of_seborrhea.html
You mention bathing your dog in medicated shampoo; depending on the shampoo, you may already be doing what is needed to treat the seborrhea. If this were my dog I might continue with the anti-staph dips for another couple of weeks just to ensure the skin is truly clear from any staph or yeast infection.
The beef ribs don't sell as well as the pork ribs, so most grocery stores do not regularly carry them, but most stores are able to place special orders with their suppliers - or you might just cut to the chase and see if Pingels on Main Street carries them.
(Austin, Tx)
07/22/2014
Hello Pam! I feed my dog raw bones. I have given lamb and beef bones and plan to incorporate chicken as well. A holistic vet in my area has suggested starting dogs on chicken necks first, especially the smaller breeds. Feed them raw; there is no risk of salmonella to the dog (only to humans). I found the bones at my local farmer's market. Check with your local farmer's market.
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I have been using de-ionised water instead but am yet to see any improvement in my dogs skin after 6 dips, thanks.
(Mpls., Mn)
06/27/2014
(Wirral)
06/27/2014
Thanks for the prompt reply, I'm pretty certain it's demodectic mange. He was diagnosed with it 6 months ago after skin scrapings and was treated using a mitaban dip which did seem to work very well, although I suspect we didn't do enough of them to clear the mites completely and over recent months they've started to proliferate again.
His paws are balding red and flakey, his chest is balding red and warm to the touch and he has some boils around his muzzle but there is no itching or discomfort whatsoever - exactly the same symptoms as last time. I've also dealt with sarcoptic mange before so know it's definitely not that.
I just wanted to avoid sedating him for more skin scrapings at the vet and using the toxic dip again which will only suppress his immunity further. This seemed to be the perfect solution (which I still believe it is reading through the comments) when executed correctly.
I think I did read among the comments here that if you don't use distilled water the minerals in normal water will 'override' either the H202 or the borax, so to speak.
It's not that bad at the moment so I have time on my side before heading back to the vets, perhaps I should start again using only distilled, or filtered water?
Lastly, I was adding between 5-10 tablespoons of borax to the solution which seemed a fair amount, should that be enough? Thanks in advance...
(Mpls., Mn)
06/27/2014
Hey Joe!
I think your problem might be the ratio - it sounds off to me.
This is what I do. I buy the hydrogen peroxide from the grocery store- it comes in a brown bottle, it is 16 oz, and it is a 3% strength. I get the borax from the laundry aisle - it should be plain with NO scent [not sure if they make a scented but just in case, you want the plain]. I usually have a gallon jug to mix in. I pour the hydrogen peroxide into the jug and I refill the hydrogen peroxide bottle with water twice [so add 32 ounces of water] and empty into the jug. You now have 48 ounces of a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution. To this I then add 1 heaping cup of borax. You should see unmelted crystals of borax in the mix. If you do NOT see undissolved borax crystals in the jug then you are not using enough borax. So add the heaping cup of borax and MORE so the crystals stop dissolving; this is what is called a 'saturated' solution - and is the strength required for best results.
I usually fill tub with warm water and set the jug in the warm water, and then I bathe my dog normally with no special shampoo; I rinse well, and then pull the plug and let the tub drain. I use my hands to 'squeegee' my dog's coat to get as much water as I can out of the coat. Once the dog is hand dry and the tub empty, I plug the stopper in and then pour the now nice and warm jug of borax solution over the dog. I keep a plastic cup handy and use that to scoop up solution from the bottom of the tub to pour back onto the dog. I have a wash cloth that I use to sop up the solution so I can get the head and ears saturated with solution as well. Keep the dog in the tub for at least 10 minutes - the longer the better, 30 minutes is ideal IMHO. Keep pouring the solution over and over. After 10-30 minutes I put the soaking wet dog into a crate with no bedding and let the dog air dry for half an hour. During this time the wet solution is still working. Turn up the heat, cover the crate with a blanket - do what you can to make your dog comfy while you wait out the next half an hour. After that I allow the dog out to fully air dry and may rub down with a towel to work off the undissolved borax crystals.
If your dog is as bad as you say, I would use this stronger solution every other day for three dips and see if you see any improvement. When I did this my own dog felt better immediately - she got the puppy zoomies all over the house! Her spots of demodex appeared to get worse - that happens because the mites are having a massive die off - but then got better with each dip. I did three dips the first week, and then once a week after that for a total of 12 weeks. I continued dipping even after she looked 100%, this just to be sure I got all the mites as this is what the directions for the Mitaban say.
I agree - Mitaban can really jack your dog's immune system. You might also consider Pet Tabs or vitamin C to boost the immune system during this time. Echinacea boosted with C is also something to consider. I find these products not at a pet store but in the human health food stores or vitamin shops.
Finally, it would not hurt to alkalize your dog's system by adding baking soda to her filtered tap water. I start off with 1 teaspoon per 3 liters of water and then increase over 3 days to 1 teaspoon to 1 liter of water and give that for 5 days - and then cut down to one half teaspoon of baking soda per liter of water as a maintenance dose during the run of the mange treatment.
Try the correct ration/stronger solution and report back. I would not be surprise if secondary staph infection were present, and Ted has a remedy for that too.
(Mpls., Mn)
06/27/2014
(Wirral)
06/27/2014
Hi and thanks again for the detailed reply! I definitely have the ratios correct: 2:1 water to 3% H202.
I have only been formulating 1.5 litres in total so the 5-10 tablespoons was actually quite a lot and there was definitely plenty of undissolved borax crystals left at the bottom, even of the dog after bathing!
I guess I'll just keep trying, I'll up the borax level and try and keep him in the bath a little longer, although I'm pretty thorough as it is as I'm a professional cleaner!
Secondary infection thankfully hasn't set in yet, it did last time so I know what to look for!
And yes, I've got him on a powdered vit & mineral supplement as well as an omega 3 salmon oil supplement to try and boost immunity, next is trying 'Origin' grain free feed. It's all rather frustrating!
(Mpls., Mn)
06/27/2014
Hey Joe!
What kind of dog do you have, and how old? I have 25 lb frenchies and I can't seem to get out of making at least a gallon of the dip at a time.
In chronic cases of demodex there is often another disease component at play - does your dog have any other issues?
And Orijen may or may not be your magic ticket - I know when I fed it my dogs lost condition, got poor coats. We currently feed Fromm and switch around the various grain free diets they offer.
Do consider adding the baking soda to the water. Also consider a topical application of essential oil of lavender; dilute with a carrier oil such as olive oil or coconut oil - just a few drops will go a long way; you might also try a few drops in a rinse after a bath. Lavender is calming for the skin and some folks with demodex dogs have good success with it.
(Wirral)
06/28/2014
3 year old Bull Terrier, so well known for skin issues, although as stated, I'm certain this is demodex. Yes I should probably make up more solution (which I will from now on) but I have assured I've repeatedly saturated him in the bath with what I had.
He's a rescue dog and the demodex first showed itself 6 months after rehoming. I understand it can indicate deeper issues but it can also take hold if the dog has been stressed, I.e rehomed, vaccinated, neutered and microchipped all in a short period of time, not to mention perhaps being fed an incorrect diet!
It doesn't seem to bother him in the slightest and he's perfectly healthy and happy in every other respect, which is why I was hoping this would work!
I definitely think diet is a considerable contributory factor as despite being built like tanks, they're very sensitive dogs!
I'm also going to switch to the apple cider vinegar as the H202 is bleaching his dark coat so much so people are commenting!
(Wirral)
06/28/2014
(Mpls., Mn)
06/28/2014
Hey Joe!
I have never used the formula with vinegar instead of hydrogen peroxide, so I cannot comment on efficacy. I would think, after using vinegar myself to rinse a dog after a shampoo to neutralize any soap residue, that if there are any abrasions on the skin that it would sting; I know the remedy using the hydrogen peroxide does not sting my cuts when I am dipping a dog. IMHO a bleached brindle coat is a small price to pay for a cure - again JMHO.
I find it very odd that a 3 year old BT is breaking with demodex; again this is a sign that the immune system has experienced a major stress - however it might be a good idea to run blood panels to see if there is something else going on [and you mentioned your vet is waiting for test results so I assume this is what you are doing- looking deeper].
Do keep us posted!
(Wirral)
06/29/2014
I think you're right a bleached coat is a small price to pay, so I'll stick with the H202!
He hasn't had any blood tests as of yet, I know that's what the vets will want to do if I take him back. To be fair, he was never mite free in the first place, as I stopped the mitaban dips after the second skin scraping revealed a reduction in mite count from seven live adult to one dead nymph. Looking back now, I should have continued until we had the two consecutive negative scrapings needed to report a 'cure'.
Since the cessation of the mitaban dips 6 months ago I think the small remainder of mites we missed have slowly proliferated to bring him back to the same stage today.
Again, I strongly believe this is to do with a grain based diet and so want to give him some time on a decent grain free feed before paying for expensive and perhaps unnecessary tests.
I'm going to give him another course of full saturation, twice weekly borax treatments over 3-4 weeks to run the life cycle of the mite and if theres no improvement I'll take him back, although another diagnosis of demodex with no underlying issues will be rather frustrating considering the huge amount of positive results with Ted's treatment posted here!
(Mpls., Mn)
06/29/2014
Hey Joe!
Demodex occurring in a three year old adult due to a grain based diet is pretty unusual. Sure, under stress such as rehoming - in a young puppy - is fairly coming, but three years old = look for something like hypothyroid - JMHO.
IMHO rather than doing twice the amount of dips of 3-4 weeks, you might consider dipping twice/three times the first week, and then weekly for a total of 12 weeks; this nails down the fully life cycle of the mites. If the feet are particularly affected, ie pododemidecosis - you might have him stand two feet or even one foot at a time in a small, deep pan for half an hour at a shot; this might help to resolve his poor feet a tad sooner.
Also consider alkalizing by adding the baking soda to his water - it can't hurt, and it might be just what is needed to help your boy turn the tide on the mites.
Do keep us posted on your results!
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Not sure if mange and I'm just don't have the budget to see the vet. I called him as we are regular clients and it will cost over a 100 just to run the tests on her.
(Mpls., Mn)
06/21/2014
Hey Calgal!
My feeling from what you described is NOT mange - more like systemic yeast infection.
Couple things you can do. Bathe your dog - daily for the first week if need be - in Ted's Anti-fungal/Anti-staph remedy.
Also add one eighth to one quarter teaspoon of Borax to one liter of your dog's regular drinking water. If your dog tolerates this well you could consider adding the same amount of Epsom salt along with the Borax; I would do this for 5-7 days, and then reduce to the Borax only in the smallest amount. You can also try baking soda - one teaspoon to one liter of water and this as your dog's only drinking water for 5-7 days, and then you can reduce to one half teaspoon per liter as a maintenance dose.
Lastly, look at what you are feeding your dog - read the ingredient panel on the food bag. If the first 10 ingredients are corn/grain or plant based, then the diet could be a huge factor in your dog's systemic yeast infection. Consider a RAW or homemade diet [google for recipies] or looking for an upgrade to the kibble you are feeding -try searching out diets at dogfoodadvisor.com.
Try this and report back!
(Nj, Usa)
07/31/2014
Hey. I was actually in the same exact position as you are with your pup. I picked up a 3 year old stray shar-pei back in November who had a terrible odor and a grey patch of skin on his chest. When we took him to the vet, they did a skin scrape and determined that the grey skin was probably an allergy problem and was not mange. She gave us a medicated antifungal shampoo and it mostly cleared up in a few weeks. Because sharpei's have a lot of skin folds, they tend to have a lot of skin problems. His Grey itchy skin started to come back around March. It started on his chest and then soon started spreading all over his body. He looked like an elephant with crusty growths all over his chest, face, neck, belly, thighs, armpits, butt, and front and back paws. He lost all his hair in those areas and would scratch at, bite, and lick uncontrollably. In addition, he became significantly less playful and would often refuse to eat his food. I felt really bad because as a college student I can't afford $200-$300 vet visits all the time. I was desperately searching for something that would help, and had tried everything from reusing the antifungal shampoo, to changing to premium (read expensive) grain free, high protein food, feeding him benadryl twice a day to keep the itching at bay, to feeding him coconut oil and rubbing Aloe pulp on the skin. I started to worry when I read many stories online about others who were in similar situations and never found a solution and had to have their pups put down, and was starting to fear I would eventually have to do the same. Finally I found this mange bath and decided to give it a try since it is antifungal and I suspected that Cooper's skin problems were essentially a giant yeast infection that spiraled out of control. Low and behold... It worked! A day after the first bath his skin already began turning pink again on his belly, neck, chest, and butt. His odor is gone. After a week, he is eating regularly again and his skin has improved dramatically. I just gave him a second bath yesterday and he isn't itching at all. I used a bath mitt that was soft on one side and exfoliating on the other to really rub the solution in... No extra oils or anything else needed. I can't even begin to describe the feeling of seeing your dog suffer so much and finally finding a solution that will help him return to life as normal. I wanted to cry when I saw his pink skin and hair returning. I can finally give him a nice rub on his belly or scratch on the back without him flying into a itching frenzy. This solution may have saved my dog's life. In a few weeks he might even be able to return to the dog park who knows. I'm not sure if my dog had mange or just a skin infection, but I know I'm glad I took the chance. Good luck!
P. S. I would strongly advise buying a cone, you don't want them licking that stuff off.
(Mpls., Mn)
07/31/2014
Hey Danielle!
The cone is not needed - it is OK for your dog to lick the solution, however it is most effective when left to air dry.
In addition to the baths, you could also try alkalizing his drinking water by adding one half a teaspoon of baking soda to 1 liter of water and have that be his only drinking water.
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I followed the instructions precisely, and today, her pinkish skin on her chest area is dark red. Is this normal? I also see that there are a lot of flakey matter on her coat. Please advise.
Thanks, Andy
(Mpls., Mn)
06/18/2014
Hey Andy!
You don't say how many treatments your puppy has had- was it just one treatment so far? Remember that you need to treat for at least 10-12 weeks, and I usually start out by dipping every other day for three treatments the first week, and then weekly there after for 10 to 12 weeks - so continue treatment for another 3-4 weeks even though everything looks resolved and normal skin.
In my experience the dark red is typical - there is a reason why demodex is commonly referred to as "red mange" - and you are seeing it.
The flakey skin has not been my experience using Ted's mange remedy - and I have used it bunches. There may be other issues going on. What breed of dog is your puppy and what diet are you feeding?
Thanks!
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When I first started I did the treatment once a week. There are times that missed. Last week I have stepped up to treating the dog once every two days and the dog appears to be getting worst.
What I am seeing visibly and extracting of the dog especially at the base follicles is what appears to be a waxy texture which actually adheres to the surface of the bathtub. It literally sticks to the tub and I usually have to use a hard spray or use my fingernails to scrape this waxy substance out. When I feel this on the dog, it feels like a scab with many follicles all clumped together. When I pull it out, obviously the skin breaks and there is slight bleeding. The problem here is that the hydrogen peroxide clots the blood and leaves a scar.
The dog has a sort of whitish semi-circle around itâ€TMs eyes and the waxy substance is most prevalent.
I have not taken the dog to the vet as yet but am planning to do so this week.
From what I have written, would this be demodex? Jumbieman
(Mpls., Mn)
06/15/2014
(Canada)
06/27/2014
Here's a follow-up to my post.
Took the dog to the vet today. Dog temperature was high normal. On examination was was found to have infected eyes and ears. Lymph nodes were swollen and vet assured that it was not cancer related. Did not want to commit himself to a diagnosis until he cultured some samples.
He took various samples including skin scrapings and some other samples which are being sent to the laboratory. He also took some samples for demodex which he was able to process in his office.
The sample for demodex came back positive.
He prescribed medication for demodex - Ivermectin different dosages every day.
For the other infections Zeniquin, Maxitrol, and Otomax.
He indicated to me that the dog's immune system is completely out of quack and wants to wait for results of the samples he took. Since this is a long holiday weekend, he would not get back the results for another 10 days in which I have a follow-up visit.
In the meantime, I will try to help the dog's immune system by using turmeric, garlic and wild fish liver oil.
I will keep you all apprised.
Thanks for all of your concerns. J
(Mpls., Mn)
06/27/2014
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05/22/2014
Hey Yolanda!
I've used Ted's Mange Remedy countless times and it has never pained my animals. That said, my animals never had open, weeping lesions on their body during treatment. The hydrogen peroxide can sting a bit on open wounds, however in this case it would seem beneficial for your dog despite the stinging.
I have to ask - are you sure your dog has mange? Have you gone to the vet for a scraping to confirm mites? Many times hairless, open sores on the lower back are related to a flea infestation. It would be wise for you to explore this possibility and do what you can to eliminate fleas in the areas where your dog stays. Borax sprinkled on the ground will help eliminate fleas, and some find adding a small amount of Borax in the dogs drinking water also helps eliminate fleas [dosage 1/16 of a teaspoon into 1 liter of water].
(Asheville, Nc)
05/22/2014
(Hope, Bc. Canada)
05/22/2014
Yolanda from Quit, Ecuador --- maybe you want to spray those sores with aloe vera or even with chamomile tea. I use UT with great results but not everyone does this. Then, you can mix turmeric with VCO and be not so sparingly with the yellow stuff. Later, you can clean the skin again with Aloe Vera. See how it works. If it is flea related, use orange essential oil as in household products. It works for me.
Namaste, Om
EC: Hi Om, by UT, do you mean Urine Therapy?
(Pa, US)
05/29/2014
Some dogs that have mange get a skin infection due to the mange which is the open sores . You need an antibiotic for that along with ted's treatment . I took my dog to the vet for mange and the medicine they gave him was a oral liquid and it almost killed him. The medicine caused him to become blind . the vet said it wasn't the medicine making him not able to see. Well, we stopped the medicine and he got his sight back. So we decided to stick to a safer way of curing the mange, borax, water and vinegar. Thankful for the internet.
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We just figured out that we have a goat with mange. It is near his eyes. We are using Ted's remedy with borax and peroxide, but I am concerned about getting it in his eyes. It this bad to get in the eyes? Would there be a safer alternative?
I am planning to use garlic internally and also put borax in the water.
I have read that I can use tea tree essential oil (1 T. per cup of water) on mange, but that doesn't sound good around the eye either.
Thanks!
~Mama to Many~
(Mpls., Mn)
04/02/2014
Hey MtM!
I've made up gallon upon gallon of Ted's Mange remedy and splashed it all over my face - into my eyes - with no adverse effects; in fact, I don't feel anything from it, no stinging at all. It might be different if you were to soak your eyeball in the solution for 10 minutes, but getting it splashed into the eye was not a problem for me.
A remedy that has a bit more 'body' to it would be sulpher powder with a carrier oil. Not sure if it would annoy the goat and cause it to rub its face and possibly smear the sulpher into its eye, however.
(Tennessee, Usa)
04/02/2014
(Tennessee)
05/14/2014
Hi!
Our goat, Cinnamon, appears to be cured! We used Ted's mange remedy several times over a couple of weeks. (But we didn't bathe her in it, she is too big. We washed her with it.) We also gave her garlic internally a couple of times a week. We also used tea tree essential oil. (1 Tablespoon tea tree per cup of water.) My son found the tea tree/ water spray to be the easiest. He did this a number of times over the last month or 6 weeks.
So, I am not sure just what worked or if all three were needed. But the mange is gone and the fur is growing back. Cinnamon is happy and so are we!
~Mama to Many~
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(Mpls., Mn)
12/03/2013
Hey Thunderpaw!
Can you clarify please, if you have treated for 1 month with the borax/peroxide solution and no results?, OR if you have treated in another fashion with no results?
Next, I am confused by the formula you listed. I have treated juvenile generalized demodicosis with Ted's remedy with 100% success - this is the formula I used:
1 16 oz brown bottle of 3% solution hydrogen peroxide from grocery store.
I dumped that into a jug and then added 2 bottles of filtered tap water using the now empty brown bottle from the hydrogen peroxide, giving me 48 oz of 1% hydrogen peroxide solution.
Now, into the jug full of 1% solution I add 1 full cup of borax [from the laundry aisle at the grocery store]. Shake it up - there should be so MUCH borax in the solution that some grains remain and do not dissolve.
I then fill my bath tub with very warm water and set the jug in the tub; by the time the tub cools down enough to comfortably bathe the dog, the contents of the jug are nicely warmed also. Now bathe the dog with the shampoo of your choice and then rinse all the shampoo out. I drain the tub and when all the shampoo and water have drained, I plug it up again so it will again hold water. Then I shake up the solution in the jug and pour it all over the dog. I then use a plastic cup to scoop up the solution in the bottom of the tub and then pour that over the dog. Do this again and again, re-wetting the dog with the grainy solution, for at least 10 minutes. Next part: do NOT rinse the solution off the dog. Take your sopping wet dog and put him in a crate with no bedding; you want as much solution to remain wet on the dog while he sits in the crate - give it another half an hour in the crate to allow the solution to 'work'. After half an hour I let my dog out and towel dry, and then let him shake the grains of borax out of his coat. It helps to turn the heat up in the house so the dog isn't freezing while sitting wet in the crate. I have doubled the batch of solution simply because its so inexpensive and it makes it easier to saturate a big dog.
You should dip your dog in this solution every other day - 2 to 3 times the first week; after the first week do once per week for 8 weeks. If you have a black dog the coat will bleach to a reddish hue due to the bleaching nature of the peroxide.
The dip should work be it juvenile demodex or adult onset; the mite is the same mite. However with adult onset demodex an underlying disease condition affecting the immune system is at play; removing the mites will bring your pet relief, but the illness that depressed the immune system to allow the mites to over grow still remains and will need to be diagnosed and addressed.
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Hey Matross!
Whoo hoo for APBT Muttley!
Now that you have seen a drastic improvement, you may wish to cut back bathing to bathing 1x week for 8 weeks. The mite lifecycle is about 21 days, and so you want to treat once per week for at least 3 weeks, and then a few more weeks after your dog seemed cured to ensure the mites have been eliminated. Remember - Ted indicates that the borax solution be a saturated solution, so keep heating and stirring until the grains fail to dissolve to create the proper strength solution.
I like using the hydrogen peroxide to induce vomitting too; these bulldawgs are just so naughty they seem to get into *everything*! Do consider keeping activated charcoal [available at drug stores, or aquarium stores] on hand in cases of poisoning where vomitting is not indicated.
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10/22/2013
Hey Summer!
Here is Ted's Mange remedy in layman's terms and I used it on my own puppy to completely resolve her demodex:
1 brown bottle of hydrogen peroxide from the grocery store [its a 16 oz bottle of a 3% solution]
1 box Borax from the laundry aisle [unscented]
I dumped the hydrogen peroxide in a big jug and added 32 ounces [or two of the brown bottle filled up twice] of filtered tap water. This gives you 48 ounces of a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution that is needed for the next step.
Next add 1 cup of borax crystals to the jug and shake. There should be undisolved grains of borax in the mix - this is what you want to see. Now you have a jug of cold solution -I filled my tub with hot water and rested the jug in the tub; when the solution inside the jug was nice and warm, the tub was cool enough to bathe my dog, so I bathed her in doggy shampoo and then rinsed well, and pulled the plug on the tub. When the tub was empty I plugged it up again and poured the grainy solution over my dog. I then used a plastic cup to scoop up the solution and kept pouring the solution over her again and again and again. You can use a wash cloth to sop up the solution to apply to your dogs face. I have had it splashed about and got it in my own eyes - it didn't feel like anything, so its safe if you should splash it in yours or your puppy's eyes. After about 10 minutes of pouring the solution over her I let her drip off in the tub and then DO NOT RINSE. I picked her up bare handed and then I crated her in an empty crate without bedding and let her sit for another half an hour to let the solution 'work', and then after that I let her out to romp around and work herself dry. So you do NOT rinse, you leave the solution on to drip dry until the next dip.
The first bath may result in a massive mite die-off so it may *appear* that the condition temporarily worsens, and so on my puppy one area did seem to appear a bit angry the next day. But other than that initial die off all I saw was improvment week by week as the dark angry patches turned to pale pink and then faded away to normal skin.
I treated once per week for 10 weeks - this past the time that I saw what appeared to be a complete resolution to her condition. I did the extra treatments only because the standard veterinary protocol suggested continued treatment after the condition appeared to resolve using Ivermectin and Amitraz.
I have never seen such an effective home remedy. Two thumbs UP to Ted from Bangkok!
NOTE: I understood from the notes that its best to make the 1% solution first rather than dumping the borax and 3% hydrogen peroxide in together and then adding 32 ounces of water to make the needed dilution as this approach will somehow result in a weaker solution. Its in the feedback, but I can't tell you *where*! "
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I found this site searching for an alternative solution to Amitraz/Mitaban and Ivermectin for Demodetic mange/ canine demodicosis.
I am no stranger to demodex but it had been awhile since I had had to deal with it; while the thinking has changed about it - now its not considered an inherited condition so much but rather mainly a nutritional and stress related condition - the 'cures' remained the same: highly toxic. My puppy had the deep, dark angry red patches on her skin [hence 'red' mange], and the hair in those areas was thinning out and the areas started to look scabby. In a litter of 8, all had been seen by various veterinarians and skin scraped to confirm demodex; my puppy was not scraped but I have seen it before and with 7 pups confirmed I did not feel like I needed my puppy scraped [creating open sores] to confirm what I already knew. When I compared my puppy to the vet scraped puppies who were all being treated with Ivermectin mine was the worst of the lot.
I tried Ted from Bangkok's Mange cure and can't say recommend it enough!
Faithful dipping - once per week for 8-10 weeks - has resulted in a complete resolution of my puppy's demodex.
I first read through all the pages for mange and mange cures and feedback and jotted down the formula and then translated from liters to ounces to arrive at this formula:
1 brown bottle of hydrogen peroxide from the grocery store [its a 16 oz bottle of a 3% solution]
1 box Borax from the laundry aisle [unscented]
I dumped the hydrogen peroxide in a big jug and added 32 ounces [or two of the brown bottle filled up twice] of filtered tap water. This gives you 48 ounces of a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution that is needed for the next step.
Next add 1 cup of borax crystals to the jug and shake. There should be undisolved grains of borax in the mix - this is what you want to see. Now you have a jug of cold solution -I filled my tub with hot water and rested the jug in the tub; when the solution inside the jug was nice and warm, the tub was cool enough to bathe my dog, so I bathed her in doggy shampoo and then rinsed well, and pulled the plug on the tub. When the tub was empty I plugged it up again and poured the grainy solution over my dog. I then used a plastic cup to scoop up the solution and kept pouring the solution over her again and again and again. After about 10 minutes I crated her in an empty crate without bedding and let her sit for another half an hour, and then after that I let her out to romp around and work herself dry.
The first dip resulted in a frisky puppy! Where had that energy gone? It gave me a clue that she had not felt very well even though I thought she had normal energy. And her skin; it was a deep pink before the dip and now it was paler and noticeably calmer. And all it took was dipping her in what basically amounted to skinny dipping in the salty ocean!
I continued treatments on a weekly basis. I understood that a massive mite die-off might result in the condition to temporarily worsen, and so one area did seem to appear a bit angry the next day. But other than that initial die off all I saw was improvment week by week as the dark angry patches turned to pale pink and then faded away to normal skin. In contrast the puppies being treated with Ivermectin got worse before they got better - again, likely as a result of the mites dying off - but it seemed like it took longer for those pups to bounce back; and no wonder, as the Ivermectin supresses the immune system needed to combat the mites.
I treated once per week for 10 weeks - this past the time that I saw what appeared to be a complete resolution to her condition. I did the extra treatments only because the standard veterinary protocol suggested continued treatment after the condition appeared to resolve using Ivermectin and Amitraz.
I have never seen such an effective home remedy. Two thumbs UP to Ted from Bangkok!
NOTE: I understood from the notes that its best to make the 1% solution first rather than dumping the borax and 3% hydrogen peroxide in together and then adding 32 ounces of water to make the needed dilution as this approach will somehow result in a weaker solution. Its in the feedback, but I can't tell you *where*!
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I started researching what his problem may be online and found that he may have Demodex. I was pissed that I had just paid $2500. 00 for a breeding male that I possibly could not breed later. I then went back to the vet and after a skin scraping it was found that my pup did indeed have Demodex. The vet wanted to charge me $170.00 per chemical dip to rid him of the mites, and told me it may take three dips as well as that the dips may not work.
Thank God I found Ted's remedy on Earth Clinic. I used the solution for Four Weeks and it cleared up everything. I believe the most important part of the remedy is leaving the Borax solution on the pup/dog after you're done washing them off. My puppy's coat is beautiful and full once again he is 102 pounds at 6 months old and a real head turner when I take him out.
I just want to thank Ted and Earth Clinic for saving me money, time and sanity. I would've been still spinning my wheels if it not for this information.
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