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Hi All! New here, and have read all posts. My Sweetie, Marv, just started on BHT today, 9/27/12. We do not have current liver counts, VA not being very helpful. We may order tests anyway, but won’t have a perfect starting number.
Marv is in stage 4 with cirrhosis but not cancer. He has ascites (swelling of stomach and one ankle / foot). Like Oscar was, in liver failure, and not doing too well, and not eligible for interferon. (Wouldn’t do it anyway.)
Have been on many, many things, basically “throwing the best and brightest” we could find to try to beat this thing. Marv now insists on going it alone with BHT and vegetable juicing only. And Vit C.
Keep Marv in your prayers, please, for a complete recovery to health! Will keep posted as to symptom improvement, and any numbers I can locate for him.
But we are now on board! –T.
Dear Wayseeker, I just prayed for Marv and want to see him make a full recovery from hepatitis C. Now, I am very troubled that you are having problems getting help from the VA, the Veterans Administration. I am a veteran also. I have had both good and bad experiences with the VA. Many veterans have hepatitis C. The VA is legally obligated to help these veterans. Did Marv ever recieve any blood transfusions? Also did he ever get any shots that are prodects of the blood? If he served in Vietnam he almost certainly did get such a shot. There was some shot they gave ALL of us as far as I know. I forgot what it was called.
If he has not yet joined the DAV he owes it to himself to join. The DAV is the Disabled American Veterans. They have been very helpful to me when dealing with the VA….Oscar
Oscar- You are an inspiration to Marv and me in a very dark hour. He is, for the first time, hopeful that he may live a longer life. Thank you for your prayers, and concern for others.
I have a question about lactoferrin (apololactoferrin) use to lower iron overload, and redistribute existing iron to the blood and away from Hep-C virus attachment to it. Has anyone used this alongside BHT use, or is it a non-issue with BHT being sufficient by itself. Advanced cirrhosis always involves iron overload, I have read elsewhere. Hep-C feeds on the excess iron, and even steals it from forming blood platelets, etc.
Any ideas on this? We are so comforted by the heartening news of your, and others’, recovery, from Hep-C, so generously reported here on EarthClinic. –T.
Oscar- To answer your questions: The VA has not done very extensive bloodwork, and won’t do a ferrous iron test, nor are they doing anything else but giving up on Marv. They have not even bothered to help get him on a transplant list. I have cautioned him about that anyway, having read up on it.
Perhaps the best thing to do, as this lovely site does, is to simply jump to the solution, and skip the problem alltogether. I am all about throwing enough crud against the wall and seeing what sticks, giving each trial more than a fair shake.
I love solutions, and loathe fighting “the powers that be. ” Marv remembers everyone getting shots from the same needle gun enroute to ‘Nam. Grounds for disability, but it sits on the judges desk, and is called “a non-combat” related health issue. –T.
Dear Wayseeker, Please have Marv join the DAV. These people are VERY good at looking out for veterans. It is what they do. They are VERY familiar with all the crap some people in the VA system do to thwart veterans and know the best ways to deal with said crap.
Also that shot I discussed earlier is a blood product. Much of the blood being used to make those injections was infected with hepatitis C.
But, this BHT treatment has worked very well for many people when NOTHING else did. So called non-responders to the conventional treatments. At this time the best results are with a dosage of between 200mg to 350mg of BHT taken on an empty stomach twice a day. Also, best results are reported by those who do NOT take milk thistle or any of it`s extracts. Do NOT mix the BHT treatment with anything other than moderate doses of vitamins. Also, I do recommend joining the BHT CURES group here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BHTcures/
Many people have achieved dramatic improvement in a few weeks to a few months. I do think it is at least worth trying. I want to see Marv get well like I did and so many others also. Sincerely, …Oscar
Dear, dear Oscar– Marv is on his third day with BHT, and being a large man, is already on 350mg 2x per day, and feeling better than he has in a long time, as well as quite hopeful. We see you as a very important person (VIP) and speak your name often! He insists on doing just the bare minimum of Vit C, plus BHT. He’s not being good about doing a tspn of oil at all. As a large man, is this neccesary? And can it be organic coconut oil?
VA is $180.00 to join, and right now, I have spent several small fortunes on various healing protocols, and can’t swing it. He is, however, trying a different angle with the VA, but is told it will take 12 months at least to get any money or aid, and must begin from scratch. Can this org. help make that wait more brief? Appears all they could do is give some minimal financial support, as they claim not combat related. I smell a lawsuit with that tainted blood issue.
I will try to navigate this site better, and go to the group you mentioned. I feel like I am writing too much here, but like you, my desire to share experience of what works is very strong. Thank you. –T.
Dear Wayfarer, I am happy to learn that Marv tolerates the BHT well and is already feeling better after only a few days. That is NOT unusual. Many people respond very well to this BHT treatment and very quickly.
Now it is important that he be seeing a medical doctor for test monitoring purposes. He is a veteran and is eligible for such services. All veterans are. There is NO requirement that he have been in combat or even served in a time of war. If Marv is a Vietnam war veteran and he got that shot I think he did he may very well be elidgible for a substantial disability claim. He needs to get in contact with a DAV [ Disabled American Veterans ] officer. These DAV people are devoted to America`s veterans and absolutely know how to deal with the VA. He may very well have a substantial disability claim if he seved in Vietnam and has hepatitis C.
Also, you did say Marv is a large man. For that reason I know of no reason for him to be concerned about taking that tablespoon of vegetable oil. That is a concern for thin or very lean people only.
From what you have told me it seems to me that Marv is responding well to the BHT treatment. But it is important that he be having liver function tests and viral load count tests done on a regular basis. So, again: Please have Marv get in touch with the DAV. They WILL walk him through any problems the VA comes up with. I can not help but think the VA is worried because he may very well be eligeable for a substantial disability claim. The DAV will know what to do to help you people. Sadly, many veterans have to fight for their rights with the VA and the DAV knows how to do that….Oscar
Dear Oscar, Thank you so much for clarity on this matter re: the VA. Marv only recently became aware that he could be eligible for disability aid through the VA for Hep C. He had, off-and-on for 20 years, tried for it because of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD), but could not make it over the VA’s humps and bumps. He has holes in his memory, and has blacked out the entire experience, therefore invalid in the VA’s opinion. Marv could not tell them where he had been or what he had experienced, and so was repeatedly denied help by the VA. This, of course, is the very nature of PTSD, to have no memory of a traumatic experience. What a catch 22.
Now, with the recently discovered late stage cirrhosis and Hep C, they told him he “likely got it in ‘Nam. ” I thought this a strange remark. More likely, he got it in their group shots/ tainted blood shot!
I am the daughter of an attorney, and my instincts say lawsuit, or settlement of a disability claim. We will join the DAV today! He just got word of the decision being mailed to him for regular SS disability. We don’t know what their decision is yet. Could be yes or no. Would this have any bearing on a VA disability claim settlement? Are you aware of any legal claim being settled in this manner? Or is this their quiet way of putting it to rest, to avoid legal action?
I am particularly annoyed, as I have born the financial burden, but in love, of paying for a great many things in caring for him and trying to find a cure. I am also quite ticked that I also must assume I have this, and begin to heal me, too. I have my own catch 22’s with private insurance. It seems smarter to me to avoid the insurance rate hikes, being dropped, etc, and just assume the worst. I do already feel liver pain, and at the liver spot under my index toe. All positive test results are required to be reported, which in some countries already is grounds to not be employed. It would be safe to assume, as have long been together.
I have been doing the lypo Vit C, as am told this can also generate complete healing. Plan to move to BHT when run out of it. This strong form of Vit C can act as a strong detoxifier, and could null the BHT.
I am so grateful to you, and to EarthClinic and staff. You both have already made a huge difference in our lives, to have received such friendly guidance and suggestions. Some of us are more disfunctional than others, and don’t know how to do everything!
I deeply believe in the power of sharing what we have found, in love toward one another, especially at this time. Marv has helped literally thousands of men with their sobriety over the past 32 years, for free and for fun. A more functional person would have been the director of a treatment center, knowing what he knows how to do. He is a very rare and special man, whom I pray lives a very, very long time.
Many blessings to you! –T.
Dear Wayseeker, I don`t know where to start. So Marv has PTSD. I do also. I got shot in the guts really badly in 1968 and was sent back to a front line unit in Vietnam 6 months later. There was no mercy back then for servicemen. I had a friend who got shot three times, had all his teeth blown away and on an on. Still they kept sending him and me back into action. And yes you can only remember fragments of what happened at the time.
The DAV will know how to deal with all this. And his SS disability claim will have NO bearing on his VA claim. From what I know he is eligible for both. If anything the eligibilty for SS disability would help with the VA claim. Get in touch with the DAV. You will get the help you need. My father, who was a WWII veteran did not even know he was elidgable for VA health care until he I made him aware of it. The VA does not advertise all this.
Now, as to your concerns about you being infectected with HCV: There is an inexpensive test that can answer that question. Get that test and find out. It is called the HCV antibodies test. Look, do not get all freaked out. This BHT stuff really does work if taken as discussed for a very many people. There is a very good chance you are NOT infected also. Stay in touch in this forum and do join the BHT CURES GROUP. I am the primary monitor there and am on your side so to speak. BHT CURES GROUP here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BHTcures/
Hi Oscar, I have tried to navigate the yahoo trip, but my email lists my name (unfortunate), and I don’t know how to change that. This site is much easier, so I will try not to abuse the privledge in writing to you, specifically. I am also enjoying the EarthClinic group as a whole, very much.
Great info on last post. Thank you. Our local DAV is pretty weak, and we can’t even get a good phone #, and have tried many. We are in Modesto. Marv’s agent at VA is making him wait for SS decision first, and is not returning repeated calls. It all starts with this agent. We do need DAV’s help, as have been told it takes 12 months to get any VA disability. Way too long to wait! Big runaround. At least the disability claims don’t cancel each other out, you think. Will know more very soon, and will try to get a good blood panel on him, too.
RE: myself… That antibodies test is the one that is now reported to the CFDC and insurers. Didn’t use to be that way. (AID’s people have total privacy?! But not us?! ) Hence, my concern. Pre-existing condition, blah, blah, blah…. With my private insurer. I am not married to Marvin. I have my own financial reasons why not, but it means I am not insured through VA, though I am a Significant Other, a status they do not recognize the same way.
I will have to just plot my own course of action, and my numbers may have to wait until I’m certain I am clear. Sorry, can’t help others with my numbers. And, I do suspect I am not clear of the ‘happy virus. ‘ Having dealt with many addict/ alcoholics, I have seen this virus jump pretty darn fast to the partner. I just don’t need that albatross to deal with around my neck, with my insurer.
My local paper had a front page story that all people of the baby boom generation should get tested for it. I see it as an ‘experiment’ done on us somehow, but then I have a rather suspicious nature! –T.
Dear wayfarer, I’m not sure if my last post went through. In case it was lost due to Internet connection, ill quickly post my suggestion again. Please have your partner and yourself take B12 and a b complex. B12 is strongly antioxidant and will mop up excess iron. Also it will help heal and protect nervous system and therefore should be good for PTSD too. Kind regards
Dear Oscar, I had to tell you! Marvin’s scores were finally obtained, and despite doing BHT not at all well– not consistentaly, only a small dose 1x/ day, mixed with food and his medicines (5), he still has seen his scores drop from ALT 248 and AST 303, to ALT 98 and AST 59. These are from the Veterans, so aren’t listed in millions. I trust you understand them anyway. His recent bloodwork they said he hadn’t had ALT/AST tests in 6 months, when he has had two tests, 3 & 5 months ago. Oddly, they didn’t include these, and though they drew many vials of blood last week, have “no ALT/AST tests for 6 mths” for this visit.
He has been, during the past 3 months, doing it right, by itself, 2x/ day, w/o food, by itself. Pity they didn’t give us those scores, because I’m sure they’re even better. But perhaps they didn’t test him at all this time.
All in all, very hopeful news. Thank you. He did have to go back on meds, as has terrible ascites and they came back.
I have one question about drinking distilled water while using BHT, and if you have any remarks on that, please reply. –The Wayseeker.
Dear Wayseeker from Modesto, Well, that is a very substantial improvement in liver function especially when the person using the BHT treatment was in LATE STAGE CIRRHOSIS. From everything I have read about cirrhosis of the liver, it is very difficult to get ANY improvement when said cirrhosis is at the advanced stage.
Also, from what you said it appears to me he was mixing the BHT with other medications at the same time he took the BHT. I have warned people to NEVER do that. So stop doing that. For this treatment to work you have to use it as I have been discussing.
Regarding distilled water: Distilled water is the BEST water to use. Always drink adequate amounts of DISTILLED WATER. Distilled water is water and NOTHING else. That IS what you want to be drinking. As sick as Marvin is he, you really should join the THE NEW BHT CURES GROUP here to get quick responses to any questions you may have here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_New_BHT_Cures_Group/
We have a team of people devoted to helping people such as Marvin. He has shown significant improvement and if he uses the BHT treatment as recommended I see very good reason to believe the treatment will pull him through this health crisis. Many very sick people have gotten well using the BHT treatment as recommended….Oscar
Dear Wayseeker from Modesto, Marvin is showing substantial improvement in his liver function test results. Do use the BHT treatment as recommended. Do NOT mix the BHT with any other medication at the time it is ingested. I very much recommend drinking the DISTIILED water. As sick as Marvin is I do recommend joining the NEW BHT CURES GROUP here so that we can provide quick answers for your concerns here: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/The_New_BHT_Cures_Group/
We want to help, but for this treatment to work you have to take our suggestions seriously. Do NOT mix BHT with ANYTHING except a gulp of water at the time it is ingested….Oscar
Thank you, Oscar, for such a quick response! Yes, Marv is a bit unteachable, but I did get his attention with these test results, and he was waiting to hear what you would say!
I wrote at the group suggested, but got no reply in my questions about ascites… over five days. Plus, it was difficult to manuever my way on that site. Personality clash, with a… Big Eater. Much like a difficult day with my sweetie!
However, so glad to hear about the distilled water concern, as it may have potential to pull out the BHT as an inorganic solid. Did you use distilled water at the time of your recovery?
Thank you, again, and I really pray he can pull out of this. He let it get a lot worse before became at all willing to do anything to try to help himself. –Wayseeker
Dear Wayseeker, Yes, I have been only drinking the distilled water for many years including and before 1997, the year I began my BHT treatment for hepatitis C. What name are you using at the NEW BHT CURES GROUP ? I will pay close attention to your postings if I can find them. Also, why not sign off as Marvin at the end of any postings over there? That way I will know it is you. We have had some great recovery stories coming in with this BHT treatment. The fact that Marvin had significant improvement in his liver function test results is very significant for someone with late stage cirrhosis. I hope Marvin realizes that. There is NO conventional treatment I am aware of available for that condition. Does Marvin realize that? The doctors pretty much give up on people with late stage cirrhosis….Oscar
Hi Oscar- I really only have two questions now about BHT, and that is if BHT is still working for you while only drinking DISTILLED WATER? And the other is like it, which is, were you drinking distilled water at the very time of your recovery?
I love what I have been reading about distilled water, but have only the concern about using it with BHT, and making sure the BHT is effective.
I am deeply heartened by the fact that it is presently all that you drink! That is just what I wanted to hear!
Please respond here with this info, and we are on our way! –Wayseeker
Dear Wayseeker, Yes, I drink distilled water. I was drinking distilled water before I ever used the BHT treatment. I drank it while I was treating my hepatitis C infection. And I still drink distilled water. Good quality distilled water [ I use the Poland Springs brand ] is water and NOTHING else. Tap water can contain all sorts of unhealthy other things. And mineral water contains who knows what. All sorts of minerals are not good for you….Oscar
The father of a client had a late-stage cirrhosis diagnosis and had been given 6 weeks to live. His HepC titer was very elevated, too. When the son emailed me his father's medical records, he included one page that the doctor's had not mentioned to the family, a ferritin measurement of 1300 (about 3-4 times normal). The father had hemochromatosis. He went on BHT and his HepC titer halved in one week and halved again in the second week. But it was aggressive blood letting (1 cup per week) that made the biggest difference in his liver status.
When asked why they didn't mention the severely elevated ferritin, the doctors said that he'd be dead in 6 weeks anyway, so it wasn't important.
Years later, the father now plays the best golf of his life. His ferritin is normal, his TIBC is high, and his HepC titers remain low.
This is a reason to always maintain some degree of doubt regarding any medical diagnosis, and the quality of the information related by your medical practitioners.
Oscar… what an amazing man you are. So helpful!!! I just started 250 mg 2 x day for herpes 6/ Epstein Bar Viruses. It's weird because they say I have GH and I have never had a break out near my genitals or my mouth. I have sores all over my body tho and they heal very very very slow. I had shownn for MSRA a while back and I believe that is what I am fighting! I pray BHT will help MSRA as well as I have read some successes in this area. Have you heard of BHT helping with it?
Oscar, Every time I go to the link of the new BHT yahoo group you post it says "opps, that group no longer exist". I would love to be able to join the group.
I do have a question for you… Can I take my BHT dose with other supplements such as Vit b6, Vit D5 and my omega fish oil supplement in the morning or should take them separately. I am also on Tramadol 50 mg for muscular pain and ativan 1 mg for anxiety. Other than that I have gotten off all my mental meds and antibiotics in an effort to live natural because I "wannagetwell"! : D
This is ALL new to me and I am not educated on any of it. I am learning from your experience and there is no way to repay you for that! But I would like to say thank you and I could only hope to meet you and give you big hug someday.