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TED'S MANGE CURE (MOST POPULAR)
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TED'S REMEDIES, LAVENDER OIL
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CURE DEMODECTIC AND SARCOPTIC MANGE

Updated: 11/17/2009

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TED'S REMEDY FOR MANGE
This page lists the popular cure for mange from Ted, our Bangkok contributor. It also contains Reader Feedback about Ted's remedy.


ADDITIONAL REMEDIES FOR MANGE

Page 2 lists all the remaining remedies to cure mange.


PHOTOS OF MANGE CURES!

Two of our readers, Caren and LaDonna, kindly sent us before and after remedy photos of their dogs. Click here to see the photos and remarkable recoveries from mange.


DISCLAIMER
* Our readers offer information and opinions on Earth Clinic, not as a substitute for professional veterinary prevention, diagnosis, or treatment. Please consult with your veterinarian before taking any home remedies or supplements or following any treatment suggested by anyone on this site. Only your Veterinarian can provide you with advice on what is safe and effective for your pet's unique needs or diagnose your pet's particular medical history.




TED'S MANGE CURE (MOST POPULAR)

WARNING!!!
DO NOT CONFUSE BORAX WITH BORIC ACID!
DO NOT USE BORIC ACID IN PLACE OF BORAX!

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand writes, "The best cure for dog mange is to mix a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution with water and add borax. Dissolve thoroughly. Wash the dog with it once a week. Do NOT WASH THE solution left on the dog with ANY WATER. Do not wipe the dog dry. The solution will take effect on mange. The treatment period should not be longer than a month or two. The dog will probably not be resistant as the treatment is painless. This has worked well for me."

More Exact Measurements (excerpted from various emails on our Reader Question & Answer Section)

Ted replies, "A definitive recipe is add 1-2 tablespoon of borax per 500 cc of 1% hydrogen peroxide solution. To make a 3% hydrogen peroxide to 1%, roughly get one part of 3% H2O2 plus two parts of water. Then apply them on the dog. Wash with this solution daily, no rinsing. If it doesn't go away, I have found mites, or mange to have a large "beehive" hidden somewhere. In which case, quarantine the dog in a small area that is 100% sterile."


"Approximate measurements are 1 bottle of 500 of 3% H2O2, plus 1000 of the cc of water, plus heaping 3 tablespoons of borax. Stir until most of borax is dissolved. The borax is past the point of saturation here so you will see some borax around. Technically the concentration is around 1.5% H2O2, and this is a bit stronger because by the time we finish with it, the H2O2 gets reacted with other things, and by the time we used it is is usually ends up near a 1% solution anyway."

"You need to get put as much borax until it no longer dissolves in a pail of water and forms a precipitate. This is a saturated solution of borax. Add H2O2 to about 1% concentration to a pail of water. Soak the entire dog, several times. Keep the dog wet for some time. The borax will destroy the eggs from laying under the skin which causes the mange. Get some solution and spray or use this to wipe all floors so the dog will not get re infected. Repeat this every week when bathing. This is not a perfect cure, but it my dog now no longer have mange. My dog was completely cured. You can try other chemicals such as sodium perborate, which is more convenient since you don't need to add the hydrogen peroxide."

"The solution (borax or preferably sodium perborate) is to be applied AFTER the shampooing and rinsing. The sodium perborate should remain on the dog after the bath. You will not rinse this at all. It must remain on the dog throughout the day so that it will act continuously on the bugs."

"However, I do recommend a less toxic form of borax, which is sodium perborate if you can find one. The secret is that borax (plus hydrogen peroxide) will work better then most other remedies I have tried, this includes mineral oil, neem oil (no, neem oil does not kill the mange as effectively as sodium perborate) I have tried it. In my "mange colonies" and commercial brands to kill insects don't work. Hydrogen peroxide DOES NOT KILL mange, I USED IT SIMPLY USED IT AS A CATALYST for ordinary borax in case you cannot obtain sodium perborate. Mineral oils simply prevent oxygen from reaching mange, but that didn't stop it. I have tried naphta, bentonite clays, DMSO, potassium permanganate, light fluid, etc. They all worked temporarily, and it just came back. I must make a strong statement that the formula (borax+h2o2 or sodium perborate) works bests and it is broad spectrum. You can use it to control mange, mites, fleas, and lyme disease (initiated by those crawly insects). I have actually compared side to side with neem oil, mineral oil, apple cider vinegar and others here in Bangkok and this is the most wide spectrum cure I have found. Borax prevents denaturation of DNA/RNA in dogs and I currently use this as life extension for dogs. For example a ribose sugar, deoxyribose sugar, and various sugar that causes accelerated aging in dogs can be slowed down with supplementation of dogs indirectly when you do the borax wash. "

"Prepare peroxide 1% solution, add 2-3 tablespoon of borax to that cup. Stir and wait for a couple of minutes for the borax to dissolve. The formula doesn't require an exact science. The importance is to add enough borax until the solution is no longer soluble and well past saturation."

"...The reason why it is not working is YOU CANNOT RINSE THE DOG OF borax and peroxide solution with any shampoo or water. After bathing the dog, keep the dog that way, no drying no rinsing. This is why the dog has not improved. Also BORAX is added DIRECTLY to the 1% hydrogen peroxide solution and no water is added separately, otherwise the solution is too weak."

TED'S UPDATE
7/12/2006: "I have reviewed all the dog's mange treatments both by my own tests and by many contributors. It appears that many people have trouble obtaining materials, such as sodium perborate hydrate, so I revised the remedy to hydrogen peroxide plus borax solution applied only once or so every week. The solution of sodium perborate hydrate is very much similar when borax and hydrogen peroxide is added. Some have either substituted hydrogen peroxide with benzoyl peroxide.

The problem about benzoyl peroxide is the upper limit by which you can use it without effect the dog as it is somewhat more toxic if given beyond a 10% concentration. 5% is usually a safe concentration. Benzoyl peroxide because of its toxicity is somewhat of an insecticide, while hydrogen peroxide is not, what it is in the original formulation is that it is a penetrant allowing the borax to go through the skin. Now some did not like hydrogen peroxide due to its limited supplies, so they make use of apple cider vinegar. For me a regular vinegar will do. Both a vinegar and hydrogen peroxide has two similarities. It is both a penetrant and when added with a safe insecticidal material such as borax, which has an toxicity on LD 50 equivalent to that of salt, this is the preferred method. However, one should not use boric acid since there are reported deaths associated with boric acid but not borax.

Boric acid is not recommended for use as it is much more toxic than borax. Borax's toxicity is about 3000 mg/kg, which is the equivalent toxicity to about that of salt. (check wikipedia). The idea is to make a solution of borax so that the solution can cover the entire body and penetrate through the skin of the dog to kill the demodex mites, for example. To use a spot treatment by pure powder will take an infinitely long time as it does not get to it through the dog's skin.

In some cases, people have tried neem oil, mineral oil. Both of these have similar effectiveness, but in different ways. Neem oil prevents the Demodex fleas from laying eggs by modifying their hormones, while mineral oils are moderately toxic only to the demodex eggs, not necessarily killing them. However, both are very limited based on my tests in really killing the insect. You see borax will both kill the eggs, modifying the hormones and their eggs by drying them all at once. The weakness of borax is limited solubility and limited penetration of the skin which you need either vinegar, hydrogen peroxide, benzoyl peroxide (toxic), MSM or DMSO solution. Ideally 10% DMSO should be preferred.

Pine Sol has limited insecticidal effectiveness, being a contact insecticidal, and does not provide lasting killing power once it has evaporated and does not kill living fleas, but it does kill their eggs somewhat. Only a fairly concentrated solution works and it does not prevent re-laying of stray eggs by the dog. In other words, the use of neem oil, mineral oil, benzoyl peroxide, and vaseline will not prevent the recurring of mange since eggs are not just on the dog, but can be anywhere in the house. Therefore re-infection is at issue. The one magic that borax has over its neighbors is that the borax powder that the dogs leaves in the house will kill the eggs even after the dogs no longer has mange and re-infection is therefore next to impossible. However, borax has limited effect on killing the larger mites and fleas, but not mange.

I found that adding 1/8 teaspoon per liter of water of borax added to the dog's water will cause the larger fleas to dry up and die at the same time. My dog for some reason likes to eat something like more than 1 gram of the sodium perborate crystals whenever he feels sick and the fleas just die off. The borax modifies the dog's blood and kills the mange inside out. This is why borax, i.e., sodium perborate, is required for mange, but not anything else due to preventive re-infection of the mange by the powder of the borax that destroys the eggs where the dog sleeps and where it walks around throughout the house.

VASELINE: The problem about using vaseline as an insecticide is that it has limited killing of eggs, but its weakness is that it is not a penetrant, and therefore the frequency of applications will take at least once every other day. Additionally, the hair of the dog will prevent proper application.

Some have went so far as to not use a solution of borax with hydrogen peroxide as a rinse then followed likely, perhaps a borax powder after bath. On the argument of being effective only as a spot treatment. Since dogs do not have sweat glands, not using a rinse will prevent the borax from absorbing into the skin to kill the mange under its skin. So this is not going to work. You need both borax as an insecticide, the water as the solution which to spread it to the skin surface, and a reliable penetrant to get it through the skin, such as vinegar, msm, DMSO, or even hydrogen peroxide. A benzoyl peroxide is both a penetrant and insecticide, but at higher concentration is somewhat toxic for dogs and as a result you are pretty much limited by the maximum concentration not to exceed beyond 5% being a preferred safety. I would prefer to limit myself at 3%.

I therefore suggest, not to get you lost in the woods, is that whatever formulation you use, always stick with borax and borax derivatives, such as sodium perborate monohydrate being the main insecticidal chemicals for the dog.

Pyrethrum is o.k. but in very low concentration of about 0.1% - 0.2% to prevent skin irritation for the dogs near the skin infection areas. The second mix you need is always the penetrant and the third formulation is appropriate dilutions in water. To provide lasting killing effect, non of these chemicals should generally be non-volatile insecticidal mixtures, which unfortunately most recommended are, with exception of perhaps borax and bentonite. Bentonite causes eggs to dry, so they can be used also, but they have no insecticidal mixture as borax and borax can performs both killing the insect, modifying the hormones to prevent egg laying, becomes a stomach poison for the insect, and at the same time causes their eggs to dry up.

I therefore will remain very flexible about what penetrants you use including hydrogen peroxide, benzoyl peroxide (limited concentration), and vinegar. It must be noted that when formulating any mange it must be noted that they must be non-volatile and the chemicals should cause microscopic residues around the house so that re infection of mange is prevented, including mites and fleas.

I think this wraps up the basic theory and application of mange treatment, and hopefully other people will make a more effective formulations in the future at least equal or better than the original formula I have proposed. Just want to tell you that there are many ways you can treat mange, but the issue is one of toxicity, re infection, toxic levels, which portion kills it and how, and which is the penetrant which is the key to it all. Penetrant is important, the chemical must reach the target demodex under the skin. Usually hydrogen peroxide, vinegar, DMSO, and MSM will do that. It must be reminded again that borax, to work most effectively, is to prepare a solution without washing it off, followed by a small amount of borax powder to be applied if you wish. Any other application other than this such as using as purely powder form is NOT going to work."

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BORAX AND PEROXIDE TREATMENT TIPS

1 YEA

09/20/2009: Stephan Toth from London, United Kingdom writes: "The advice for using Borax for the Treatment of Mange and other Mites is very good however there seems to be some confusion so I hope to clarify the situation.

1) If your dog has mites then you can be sure that they are present in the whole of the area that your dog uses and that in a lot of cases the humans have them too. You can test if you have mites (scabies) if you itch after having a bath or at night when you go to bed.

2) You have to treat the whole of the above at the same time or you will have a cycle of reinfestation from your pet to the house to you to your pet. So choose an action day and get everything ready for your war on mites.

3) In the case of your house, all beds, sofas, carpets, cusions etc that are too big to be washed including rugs and carpets should be treat with the borax solution or lime sulphur and covered in strong plastic sheeting using duct tape. I know its a lot of bother but its cheaper than throwing them outside and burning them.

4)Having taken the pets outside, Make up the solution of Borax using the following equivalents (one cup hydrogen peroxide and two cups water first and then the 9 teaspoons or 3 tablespoons of borax put in last. let the borax dissolved) This translates for bulk production as:- The borax mange treatment is made by filling a five-gallon bucket with warm water and then adding a 200 milliliter bottle of three percent hydrogen peroxide. Finally add borax laundry booster until full saturation is achieved. This means when borax is added to the water, rather than dissolving, it sinks to the bottom of the bucket.

5) Hoover and damp dust everything using the above solution that has been recomended. Then seal all the relavant soft covered furniture (sofas), soft furnishings, beds and matresses and finally cover carpets with foundation plastic using duct tape to seal the edges.

6) Wash out a kitchen detergent bottle that has a squirty spray handle on it and fill it with the borax solution. In the yard, spray the whole of the underside of the dog or other animal, you may have to refil the bottle several times for large animals. when you have reached saturation point on the underside change the spray bottle over to the large sponge and use this to pour the solution on the animals back from neck to tail. Finally we come to the head and the moste sensitive area around the eyes. First put a drop mineral oil in the eyes, then use cottonwool balls dipped in the solution and go over the face very gently and very carefully around the eyes. Pay particular attention to the ears, the muzel and under the chin making sure that they are saturated down to the skin.

7) Lovely now the house is sorted and the animals are treated there is just the humans to attend to. Though dog mites including mange (dog scabies) cannot live and reproduce on humans for more than a few days they can live long enough to reinfest the animal when you groom or stroke it. So, I am afraid its the full body treatment for the whole of the family. You can uese any of the following, Derbac M, Quellada M, Lyclear Dermal or a 30 gram tube of 5% permethrin cream. Make sure that you cover every bit of skin area and under the feet and rub it into your finger and toe nails too. The human treatment should be done at weekly intervals. Do not use the same incetacide more than three times in three weeks. Of couse if you dont mind a tinted skin, you can easily use the borax treatment on yourself.

8) The borax treatment on the animal should be done every three to four days until the mites are completely cleared and then for ten days after the last signs are gone.

9) During the treatment period, all members of the family should handle the animals only when wearing rubber gloves. Animals should be trained not to go on any furniture during this time. Children should be discouraged from wrestling or cuddling the animal until it is given the all clear.

10) If you find that after this you or your animal is still showing signs of infection then you must enquire with your family to asertain who is not following the rules.

11) When your animal has been clear for ten days you can take the plastic off of your funiture and give them a good hoover. (Don't forget to wash the hoover and its pipes with borax before using it.)

Kind Regards

Stephan Toth"



10/10/2009: Amber from Montgomery, Tx replies: "my 11 month old puppy has demodectic mites the vet said it is not contagious and he also said it is genetic from her mother would this treatment still work for what she has and i have 3% hydrogen peroxide so for a little rat terrior how much borax how much peroxide and how much water do i mix with it?"


[YEA]  10/23/2009: Belle from London, Uk replies: "Hi,

I rescued two 4mth old staffie pups with severe sarcoptic manage, unfortunately one of them had to be euthanised due to the severity of the mange and infection - thankfully one of them is now doing well, but i am using the borax solution every third day at the moment as the mange was so severe (she has no hair whatsoever). Her skin is very dry and i want to help her as much as i can, therefore would it be safe to bathe her in extra soft baby shampoo and maybe apply baby lotion afterwards (inbetween borax dips) to help ease the dryness? If not, what else can i use/apply to increase the condition of her skin. I have also been feeding her multi-vits for dogs as i think she needs all the help she can get.

The mites also seem to favour my arms so i tried Lyclear derma cream but the bites increased, so now i'm using the solution on myself which seems to be working quite well (fingers crossed).

NB: When making the borax solution ensure you follow the directions to a tee or it won't be effective!"

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TED'S REMEDIES, LAVENDER OIL

1 YEA

[YEA]  08/16/2009: Denise from Palos Heights, Illinois writes: "treatment for demodectic mange:

wash area affected with Boraxo solution 3-4 x per day
soak with hydrogen peroxide 3-4 x per day
grapeseed oil/ lavender massage oil (1oz oil:15-18 drops of lavender oil)
apply liberally to area massage in 3-4x per day

the lavender not only is natural, has anesthetic properties for itching, it smells good is relaxing for your dog and is an antiseptic. It also interfers with the larvae stage reproduction of the mange. I don't like the products available with all the side effects so I told the vet ill research my own. As a nurse massage therapist for mothers to be and infants, researching everyones advice and research on the actual bug itself I came up with this. less irritating to our little family members, inexpensive and I love the smell and massage time with my pets. And best of all it works!"

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TED'S REMEDY READER FEEDBACK

122 YEA
7 NAY
1 BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS
4 BETTER BUT NOT CURED
4 WORKED TEMPORARILY
1 SIDE EFFECT
21 QUESTIONS

[YEA]  11/17/2009: Pierre from Phuket, Thailand writes: "Hi everyone. I tried Ted's remedy Borax Hydrogen Peroxide mixed with water, and I can tell you it made a difference with my 3 dogs.

Suffering with Mange for the last 4/5 years .. just nothing .. paying tons of bills to the Vets ... and miserables dogs at home ..

I find that the apple cider vinegar can help and start to mix couples of spoons with the dogs food with some Virgin Coconut oil, after couple of days I start with Borax/Hydrogen Peroxide -

1/ One Litre of 6% Hydroegn Peroxide mix with 30/40 tablespoons Borax in 10 Lt. water but be careful not so hot the water. I apply to all body and left the dog wet do not dried. Twice a week for one and half mouth, was fine in my case ( now not any more flea or ticks )

2/ Twice a week I was spraying with Hydrogen Peroxide and distribute the Borax to my garden, every where, the colony of ticks and fleas .. impossible to tell you .. they was billions!

3/ I give some Fish oil -1000 mg per dogs/day and after I switch to VCO ACV definitely thats work, now my dogs have a perfect hair and in top health.

4/ For the food once a week I give raw meat, plus some veggies plus the cheapest fish we can find in the market.

5/ Do not forget the Turmeric .. my two Golden they have some Arthritis and that improve so much. 1 TS per dogs and they loved

Hope that help and Thanks to Ted and to this wonderful site.

Good luck Pierre"

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[YEA]  11/15/2009: Dianne from Houston, Tx writes: "My dog has been constantly itching for months. I have had two different vets look at her, and they each thought it was some sort of food allergy. One thought it was a flea allergy however I use Advantage every month and have not found a flea on her anywhere. Last week I noticed how thin her hair was getting on her rearend, and googled the symptoms. I found your site and now believe she has had mange all this time. I went to the store immediately and put together the concoction. She had INSTANT relief. I waited 3 days and did it again yesterday. She is calm, sleeping well, and not itching at all. Thank you Ted, for your receipe!"

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[NAY]  11/11/2009: Mimi from Arlington, Tx writes: "I've been following Ted's mange cure instructions on my chihuahua for 4-6 weeks, shampooing him with a benzoyl peroxide shampoo from the vet and then using Ted's dip once a week. I also use just the dip another 1 or 2 times a week. I've had no change in symptoms on my dog. Recently he ran away and ended up at an animal hospital. When I picked him up, they had done a skin scraping and said that his infestation of mites was still very bad. I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong since so many others are having good luck with the treatment. I've added a chicken, rice, vegetables home made diet to his menu along with fish oil supplements, echinecea, to build up his immune system. I'm about to try the Mitaban dips but really, really, don't want to due to the chemicals in it and due to the cost of the dips. I need to get my puppy better soon. He's been sick for a couple of months now. Does anyone have suggestions?"

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[QUESTION]  11/04/2009: Jack from Tyler, Tx writes: "Mange: Trying to set up measurements correctly and do not understand how much 1000 cc of water is. Can you put that in oz, quarts or gallons for me.

Thank you"

EC: We used the google calculator for this:

1000 cc = 4.22675284 US cups
1000 cc = 33.8140227 US fluid ounces
1000 cc = 1.05668821 US quarts
1000 cc = 0.264172052 US gallons

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[YEA]  11/04/2009: Mama02girls from Moundsville, Wv writes: "Tried the mange cure when it got bad. Had to do it three times. First time I did not spray the dog's house and it came back. Second time I did not spray the grass where he lays and it came back. After the third time of it coming back I bought a childs swimming pool, mixed one bottle of peroxide with Ted's recommended mix and kept pouring it over the dog, re-using the stuff that poured off of the dog into the pool. When I felt he was doused enough, I used the extra to spray his house and the grass. (it was a bit dirty but I figured it didn't matter.) Well, it's been months and it didn't come back!!! My cat also had a patch (she is the dog's best friend and lays with him in his dog house.) Only one application for her and it was gone. Thanks Ted!"

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10/31/2009: Fatoba from Rivers/Portharcourt, Nigeria writes: "AFTER CURE

My 6months old Rott has mange, iam still trying some of the remedies found on this page.

My question is :- Can a cured dog from mange be used for breeding purpose.

Thanks i expect your response."

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[YEA]  10/29/2009: Abby from San Marcos, Texas writes: "Hi

I thought my dog just had dry skin from flea shampoos I'd been using and when people saw him they'd say I think he has mange! I found this web site and bought some Borax. I have treated him with the 3% peroxide diluted with water and a Tblsp Borax per cup of solution. I've done it three times and his hair is coming back and it seems to be working!!!!! I have also been putting olive oil on his dry skin and he's just itching like a normal dog now instead of a maniac! Thank you so much ... you've saved me hundreds of dollars in vet bills.."



11/11/2009: Rose from Tampa, Fl replies: "I am a bit confused.... Did you use those measurements for the daily spray??? And how much peroxide did you dilute with how much water??? Thank you my dog is in a lot of pain and I'd like to figure this out asap!"

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10/29/2009: Doris from Miami, Florida writes: "Hi,

I would love to start Ted's Remedy for mange but I've been to several Home Depots' but I can't seem to find Borax anywhere. Please help any suggestions??

Thank you,
Doris"

EC: Try your local grocery store - laundry aisle. Publix sells it, also Walmart!

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10/29/2009: Jasmine from Stockton, Ca writes: "I have been using Ted's remedy for 1 week on my 5 month old pit for DEMODECTIC MANGE. I mix 4 cups warm water to 2 cups hydrogen peroxide and stir in 6 tablespoon borax. I pour the solution over my dog while she is in my bath tub, paying close attention to the spots that are affected. And using a cotton ball soaked in the solution to get around her mouth and around her eyes. Then I sprinkle a bit more borax over her coat. I let her air dry. I have read this as being a dip. Should I have her completely submerged in this solution for a period of time? Or am I okay with pouring it over her coat until it is completely gone? She is miserable and cold when the whole thing is over and I want to make sure I am doing it effectively. Also how frequently can I use this solution on her? I have done it twice in one week. Can I use it every day? I have also changed her diet to a high protein and low carb diet adding raw meat twice a week."

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10/25/2009: Tess Djo from Paranaque, Metromanila, Philippines writes: "Hi. I've just tried the borax-peroxide treatment for my lab, Ezra. His mange is so bad that he's got no more hair on his legs and neck and part of his face. I just hope it will work coz' Ezra have been through a lot-amytrass, ivermectin,anti-biotics, all the works. I bought borax at Alysons Chemicals (they're in Yellow Pages) for only PhPeso 57.50 per kilo (very cheap indeed!) My question is, can I also use the mixture for my other 3 dogs who do not have mange? I was thinking of using them for say, once-a-month, as a preventive treatment.

Thanks and hope to hear from you, guys...Tess djo"

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[YEA]  10/13/2009: Michael from Carlsbad, San Diego, Ca Usa writes: "My 9 year old Weimerainer has had a systemic yeast infection for approximately 10 months. Symptoms include significant body odor, minor hair loss (patches), redness in the paws,ears etc, We have taken him to 3 different vets and have been prescribed several different shampoos, veterinary foods, ketoconazole, antibiotics and antihistamines. None of these remedies have worked and have cost hundreds of dollars. We have been recommended to an allergist which would have cost over a thousand dollars US. Thankfully, I found Ted's Borax and Hydrogen peroxide remedy. I am on my third day of daily treatments of borax/peroxide baths and Omega 3 oils in food and have seen a miraculous transformation. My dog is completely odorless, the redness is clearing up and he is not itching or licking his paws. And the cost of the treatment was about $10 US total. Thank You Ted for the suggestions - they have made a significant difference"

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[QUESTION]  10/02/2009: Dennis from Hampton Roads, Va writes: "Demodectic mange

Got the measurments ok, but I have a question about sterilizing the home. If I'm not mistaken I've read that demodectic mange is not contagious. My dog has demo so do i need to go thru all of the steps for the house as if he had sarcoptic?"

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09/30/2009: Kelle from Mae Hong Son, Mae Hong Son Thailand writes: "I've been treating my dog for mange on & off her entire life. I can't wait to try the natural remedy suggested but where does one find Borax in a small Thai town? Any suggestions Ted?

Thanks. Kelle"

EC: Hi Kelle: Check the Borax page: http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/borax.html -- at the end of the section there are "Where to Find" posts. None mention Thailand, but might give you a clue where to find it.

On the same page you will see the follow post from Ted:

Ted from Bangkok, Thailand writes: "Most borax I buy is a B.P. grade and a U.S.P. grade borax from a chemical supplier. Those are grade are often used that are pharmaceutical grade. However, those that are gotten from natural sources (e.g. borax) and go relatively unprocessed, that is unadded of additives or anything are often labeled 100% Sodium tetraborate or Borax. Without anything else."

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09/18/2009: Sana74 from Houston, Tx writes: "Boric Acid/Mange. I use the boric acid treatment on my dog, but when I sprayed him with it, it looked like he this treatment was burning. Is this normal?"

EC: Ted's instructions call specifically for borax, not boric acid!

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09/17/2009: Bet from Jakarta, Indonesia writes: "hai ted and earth clinic..

my name is bet...i'm from indonesia.

it's very hard to find borax in indonesia. it was banned by the goverment...it's considered a harmful substance since many people used it for wrong reason.

after looking for almost 2 months, i got a 'black market supplier' for borax.

it is in a form of powder.

this man (the supplier) said that the powder is borax...but how i know if it is not boric acid...or it may not be borax after all.

he said that real borax will make greenish flame if burnt...is that true ? does boric acid also make greenish flame ?

i love my dog very much...you must have listen to that too many times.

he got ivermectin shots for 5 times in almost 3 months, and also i bathed him with amitraz for 3 times.

the demodex almost all gone, hair all grown, except on his face...it might be because i'm hesitate to apply amitraz on her face. i'm afraid it will do him harm than good.

i attached pictures of my dog, his name is borris. it was taken over time during demodex nightmare.

really need your help.

thank you."



09/21/2009: Bet from Jakarta, Indonesia replies: "After thinking over and over again...and asking a lot...and a lot more question to many different people...and of course to the guy who sold me the product and also to my connector to the guy...and these two guys in two different time and places assured me that the product is borax and not boric acid.

I want to send the product for testing in a lab...but, here in Indonesia, we are having ten days holiday for Idul Fitri.

And, finally, yesterday, I decided to start the treatment.

Happy to say, the result is good.

I tried on Borris' left leg...today, the colour is not so red anymore.

I am very sure this treatment is going to be a success.

Do you think I can apply aloe vera on the skin to promote hair growth ?"



09/23/2009: Ted from Bangkok, Thailand replies: "Dear Beatrice:

A boric acid and borax can be identified easily by their pH. The boric acid the pH will be acid, while a borax pH is always alkaline. So if you have the pH litmus paper this will help. You can get around the problem in certain places by getting a detergent made from borax, or purchase if from a chemical supplier that carries borax, for agricultural use for example. If you happen to have friends who travel, other countries also carries borax.

In the event worse comes to worse a boric acidity maybe neutralized with alkaline substances such as potassium carbonate or sodium carbonate, until the pH becomes 8 or above. Then it is mixed with a 1% hydrogen peroxide solution. However, form your messenger posting, I see that you finally acquired it and it's working well for you. Frequency of application and no rinsing rule, plus pouring some solution in the places where the dog sleeps is critical to prevent reinfection. These bugs are pretty resilent lately. So it helps to rinse the premises of unused portion to prevent reinfection. Ideally daily application to the dog seems vital to prevent their coming back for at least a few weeks. The best thing about the borax is that it doesn't kill the dog, like the ivermectin. Even a dog shampoo I found that contains pyrethrins maybe toxic with the dog upon multiple application. The borax or boron is a essential mineral for mammals, but they are toxic for the insects and hence is a lot safer than most meds and doesn't kill the dog.

Ted"



[YEA]  09/29/2009: Bet from Jakarta, Indonesia replies: "Dear Ted,

Actually, I've been applying my dog with borax solution every day for about 10 days.

I make my borax solution in small portion using 1 tbsp of H2O2 3% 2 tbsp of water 1 tsp of borax.

It's been great. All the red area has become black colour. However, I found that the skin become dry and 'thick'. Is it the time to stop applying the solution ?

After the solution...any medication or therapy to promote hair growth ?

I would say Ted's Borax solution is better than mitaban (we call it amitraz in Indonesia)...I saw how amitraz make my dog very sick after bathed.

Or maybe, the best...or simply, smarter way to fight demodex.

It is definitely a YEA.

Thank You Ted and Thank You Deirdre."

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[NAY]  09/13/2009: Misty from San Diego, Ca writes: "I used the exact measurements Ted recommended and the problem did not go away at all. So I take my dog to the vet and tell them exactly what I used on her. The vet told me that had I continued any longer than I had, not only could I have given my dog liver damage, but I could have KILLED her. Borax is toxic as most of these other treatments are. It's even caused humans to get sick, although not lethal to us."

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[YEA]  09/09/2009: Dockie Marlene from Manila, Philippines writes: "ted's mange remedy: i have a a shih tzu pupppy named baby beyonce, she is now 11 month old. its my first time to have one so i really make sure that we always visit the vet and do the grooming regularly.. everything is well, she completed her vaccines and boosters but when she reaches his 9th month i noticed that she feels itchiness since he have a long hair its hard for me see the skin beneath.. but then i noticed that it was turning darker pink.. i bring her to the vet and the vet injected for anti-mange, give her cefalexin and antihistamines.. after a week beyonce was back to normal without redness and itchiness but after a month again she started to scratch her head and then her head started to have like crust/dundruff like appearance then it started to have wounds in it.. i bring her to the vet,, the vet scraped the woulds and cut her hair very short then put dog collar to prevent her from further scratching her head.. the vet injected anti mange again then give 3 topical creams.. at first it works but after a couple of days the itchiness become worse until my baby face started to be red.. i was so worried cause her appetite is now affected and she doesnt like to play anymore, i was so desperate that i dont trust the vets anymore and look for remedy myself online.. then find this website and read about ted's hydrogen peroxide and borax mixture. i just done it yesterday and im already seeing improvements. she doesnt scratch anymore and she started to gain her appetite again. i love my baby beyonce and hoping that she will recover as soon as possible.. :)"

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[YEA]  09/07/2009: Patrick from Snellville, Georgia writes: "I have a brown brindle American/English Bulldog Mix. He was diagnosed with mange about 3 months ago June 2009. I used the medicated shampoo and the prescribed medicine from the vet it costs me about $100 or more. I used it as directed for about 6 weeks. The only things that happened were that my dog lost more hair very rapidly. I mean hair was coming off faster than ever. I asked the vet was this supposed to happen. He said yes. Just keep doing it. However, what didn't make sense to me was that if the medicine was supposed to cure the problem why was the problem getting worse?. Maybe there is some medical explanation for it, but I was extremely dissatisfied and concerned. So, I went to Home Depot and bought some 20 Mule Borax Powder ($3). I also went and bought 4 Bottles of Hydrogen Peroxide (3% 32 fluid oz) ($4). I got a pail and poured two of the 32 oz bottles of Hydrogen Peroxide in it and then I poured plenty of the 20 mule borax poweder in it enough that could be reasonably dissolved. I then mixed it with 4 cups of warm water. I took this solution and poured it all over my dog and scrub it in with a small brush. I am not good with measurements so my measurements are not scientific. The key is to just mix the borax, peroxide, and water together to get it to cover as much of the dogs body as possible. Do not wash off let it dry. The next step was that I used the same mixture without the water and created a paste of just borax and peroxide and I rubbed this on the specific hair loss areas. I did this once a week for three weeks. ALL of the hair has grown back. It costs about $15 total. One box of 20 Mule Borax ($3) is enough for all 3 treatments. You will need 12 bottles of hydrogen peroxide 32 oz bottles ($1 each total $12) Water (Free/Nominal Cost). That did it. This worked for me just this year, 2009, in the month of August. I am just sharing this information so that hopefully you can save some money and keep your dog beautiful! IF anyone has any other questions, feel free to email me."



11/11/2009: Rose from Tampa, Fl replies: "I have a black lab who has been suffering for 2 months and the vet stuff is not working... How often exactly did you bathe the dog with the solution and how often did you apply the paste? If you were to estimate how much solution you used to make the paste could you tell me the estimated measurements?"

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[QUESTION]  09/03/2009: Kari from La Quinta, Ca writes: "I just started treating my 6month old Bor with this mixture. I PRAY that it worksr him. He looks awful! Good news is that he doesnt seem miserable. No itching etc. My questions are:

1. Do I shampoo him first then rinse then soak him with the soloution? Tonight I put him in the bathtub dry then soaked him.

2. If I do shampoo him first, what shampoo do you recomend?

3. Can I pour the solution in a spray bottle for quick problem spots between shampoos and also to disinfect the house? If so, will the soloution go "bad" like "inactivate" after a certain amount of time?

4. The mange is really bad around his snout and eyes. What d you suggest for these areas? I dont want to harm him in any way.

Thank you in advance for your help!"

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08/28/2009: Nathalie from London, England writes: "Nathalie again. After using Ted remedy a few days I can say that I saw definetely an improvement on the skin but I went to the vet who gave me Stronghold to apply - drops on the coat (which is the equivalent of Revolution in the UK) which kills the mites in 24h. After a few days I could see the dead skins gone and brand new skin again...So I would say yes Ted remedy works but maybe try Stronghold or Advicate first.(that is for sarcoptic mange which is what my dog had)."

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[YEA]  08/28/2009: Careana from Malone, New York, United States writes: "Hi everyone. i tried ted's remedy of borax and hydrogen peroxide mixed with water, and i can tell you it made a BIG difference in my little pitbulls life already. Her name is Damane(duh-mahn-ee)and she is 4 months old,as soon as i started putting the solution on her she relaxed and u could see a big difference even before i took her out of the tub. i just wanted to say thank you because without this remedy i was going crazy because i couldn't even afford the drive to the vets let alone the actual vet visit. so this really was a life saver because between everyone in my family we all got the stuff together to make the solution. so Ted i really appritiate everything on here.

i do have some questions though. is it ok to mix just the 3% hydrogen peroxide with borax to make a paste to put on the worst spots? and does it hurt them if it gets in their eyes? i read something that said u could put mineral oil drops in their eyes. Is that safe??"

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[YEA]  08/24/2009: Artur from Relleno, Rio Dulce, Guatemala writes: "It works! Our Great Dane had lost parts of her coat, she was itching 24 hours the day, her skin was reddish and she got more and more crusted hot spots. We lost 1 month of time by experimenting with a known pine oil remedy before I found this webside with Ted's remedy.

Now, after 2 Month, all problems are gone: hairs are growing back and she is playfull like before. This was (and is) our strategy:

To start, we gave her a regular dose of Ivamectine in form of pills. The dose had to be repeated after 7 - 10 days.

In the same time, we started to wash her with Teds remedy (borax peroxide) - twice for two weeks, then one time a week for another month. And to support her imune system, we gave her dayly 2 - 4 Tablespoons of Linaza Oil. Itching stopped after 3 days. One week later we had - mentaly - a new dog. 1 Month later hairs started to grow back - not very fast but one could see the progress.

The peroxide turned the black hair into chestnut, temporaly as we figured, but we thought it may be time now to quit with peroxide - the job was done.

Since than, we wash her once a week with a solution of Neem Oil and some drops Soup as emulgator. This is 1 Tablespoon 100% Neem Oil, a few drops of liquid Soup and 1 Liter Water, Shake well and wash the doggie with a sponge until all used. Neem Oil keeps all parasites away and is absolutely harmless to your dog and yourself. Read about Neem Oil in the Internet! We found 1 Liter for aprox. 20 $, for our Lola it is a one year supply, a chiwawa can cover his whole lifespan with this.

Thanks Ted !"

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