Natural Cures for Atrial Fibrillation

Thank you all for your great suggestions and encouragement. I had an irregular heartbeat for about ten year before it became a-fibrillation. Since then, I have a-fib several times a week, sometimes lasting for three or four days. Calcium Channel and Beta Blockers made my a-fib worse, as did magnesium.

A-fibrillation can be a symptom of hyperparathyroidism, a (supposedely) rare disease. The only connection with the thyroid is that these four glands are located on the thyroid. Have your calcium serum tested and if it is high, even a little bit, check out http://www.parathyroid.com for more symptoms and info. Mine had been high for over ten years; several doctors told me it was nothing to worry about. They were wrong! If it is high, insist on getting your parathyroid hormone tested. I found this out for myself after my doctor told me that my high calcium was nothing to worry about and that several other symptoms I have been experiencing were due to my age (57). It turned out I had a huge tumor.

Most of my symptoms are gone and the a-fib and irregular heartbeat were gone for the first few weeks following the 20 minute surgery. The a-fib came back when my cardiologist scared me into continuing my medicine. I took it for another couple of weeks, the a-fib returned, and I stopped it. I'm better off the medicine than on.

I am still working on getting this under control and have taken note of your suggestions. I tried the 1/8 teaspoon of cayenne pepper this evening and it worked! Thanks everyone for your comments. I am encouraged and will not take the new, even scarier, meds my doctor has prescribed.

Hi Joan

I am weaning off some beta blockers and finding ways to keep my heart rate down. I tried the BSM and it kind of calmed my heart down a bit.. I put a teaspoon in some organic herbal tea... Not sure its working totally though..It does have sugar also.

But what is in that slows down the heart? Is it the minerals.? Potassium??

Hi, Hwk

I already do about 500 -900 miligrams a day of magnesium citrate so not sure. Have to experiment some more...lol

I just need to keep this heart rate down so I can keep weaning off. Doing a bunch of things so far but would like to find one thing that works the best..

Thank You

Hi Hwk,

Here is the kicker.. the doctor gave me meterprolol two years ago for high blood pressure and anxiety.. I was taking 100 miligrams and now have gotten down to 37 miligrams but that has been since last March.. I don't have AFib and never had a high heart rate until I started this medication so I am getting off of it.. I have asked, double asked doctors and read about it all and I am highly overly sensitive to this stuff .. Anyway; I would love to take Hawthorne but it interferes with Metropolol or so I have asked read and studied.I don't know now... I would love to keep my heart rate down as I wean but some days if I just walk down the stairs or a few feet with doing nothing else My heart rate goes up and it is too early to take the medication... not even sure I can exercise too much as this point. I have also cut out caffeine, alcohol and sugar.. I was thinking I might have too much cortisol and adrenaline rushes. Thank You.

Dear Om

Didn't you read what I wrote.. I know all about beta blockers and that is why I am GETTING OFF OF THEM.... and all that I read about Hawthorn but it is contraindicated with beta blockers.but I hope to take it one day ... and no I DO NOT HAVE AN IRREGULAR HEARTBEAT but I have bad side effects from the beta blocker and yes I take COQ10, magnesium, B complex, C, D, E, Taurine, L-Carnitine, olive Leaf extract and some other things ...

The last doctor I went to was a naturopath and she yelled at me and didn't believe a word I said (long story).. so I wont be going back to her.

Thank You

Hi Hwk,

Thank you but I am not sure what you are trying to say.... I got myself down to 37 miligrams from 100 which wasn't easy and I want to get off completely... I believe I have a high sensitivity to it or that is what I read and have been told that some people have a harder time. Yes I will def. try the Hawthorn very soon.. Wow, I can't believe you weaned off of that drug in a few months..

Bee, when I say I got myself off meds, dont think for one second that I just woke up one morning and threw them in the trash. It was under the care and guidance of a couple of Doctors and others. Much depends on the length of time and dosage taken to transfer to natural supplements with no set time table for doing so. If your'e at 37 now, then I would say good job, and with support, it won't be long.

Hi Hwk;

I have been taking the natural supplements for awhile now since weaning off the meterprolol .. been on the M for two years and was at 100 mgms.. It has not been easy for me as I have read many people are overly sensitive to this drug.. I have many side effects and it has somewhat stopped my life in some ways.. I just tried to go down to 25 miligrams and too many side effects so I opted for 31 mgs. I have been doing this for 8 months in which four doctors told gave me the generic one size fits all formula.. they were all wrong. the last one said I could be off of this stuff in a month or two. I said No that won't work for me. She said some nasty things to me and only gave me a two month supply.. I wont be going back to her.. So I so far am getting no help from doctors plus I have no medical insurance . so glad you got the help you needed and are doing well...

Anyway; I am going to try the Hawthorne at the low dose ..I get most of my advice from people who work in the health food store or people I meet along the way on this journey..

thank You so much

To Bee in New York: I also am on beta blocker (toprol) and have started Hawthorne.Am now down to 12.5 mg a day and take H. 2x a day (morning and evening ) with no side effects. Was actually on a higher dose of beta and have weaned down to 12.5mg and am weaning to every other day now.I really believe it has been the Hawthorne. I also take other some other supplements and feel much better than I felt on more beta blocker and fleccainide.Hated that stuff! They even wanted me to go on another more dangerous drug after that! I only wish I could find a good "naturopath m.d." to help guide me a little.Thank God for "earth clinic" and all their advice! Try out the H. I think you will be O.K. even on it with the beta blocker. You just don't need as much beta has been my observation! I am my own guinea pig! Good luck and God bless!

Hi Pat

Yes I read your other posts about the AFib and all. I am down to 25 mgs. of Metropolol but I was given it for high blood pressure and anxiety. I was getting side effects and palpitations as I wean down so was looking for something to make it easier. It has been rough but yes I am feeling a lot better and I my brain fog is gone . I am not sure what Hawthorn to get. The liquid or the tablets.. Looks like the tablets all come in a high dose as I want to start out small.....will keep checking around.

Yes I would love to find a good naturopathic doctor but haven't yet... the last one cost me 150.00 and then another 50 and did not help me at all........................I even ask around the area and neighborhood and no one really knows anyone worthwhile.

thank you for replying and for the help..

Hi Pat

Yeah; wow 500 Hawthorn might be too much for me right now but a friend of mine suggested to break the capsule if possible and put a bit on my tongue and wait a few hours and see if any side effects.. I have to keep searching for a lower dose and maybe online.

So glad to hear of your progress..but you are right.. doctors will not believe you as they never believe me.. or if you have a doctor who listens to you then great .. I have not found one yet and don't plan on seeing doctors much if I can help it. I am also taking other natural supplements.

I guess I was looking for something to help me in the weaning process as I am highly overly sensitive to (M) and have taken the weaning very slowly .. It hasn't been much fun..with the side effects and going by how I feel and not the one size fits all the doctors give us.

GNC has standardized Hawthorn (<--no 'e' at the end) in 150mg capsules.

"Solaray"tm makes a 100mg Haw flower extract/ 225mg Haw berry capsule that I found to be excellent. I find it works best with 300mg Mag and 100mg COQ10. I've used 3000 mg Hawthorn to get back to NSR. It doesn't hurt and won't kill you! The low dose of beta blocks is equivalent to strong aspirin. Love the BSM with my Mag/Haw also.

Bee, possibly what you should be doing while on the 25mg of meds is take a good COQ10 Ubiquinol, 100mg , am and pm, along with xtra Magnesium, 400mg twice a day. Walking fast and getting your HR to 120 a few times will go along way towards success. I walk every day at least 30 min. I used to jog 1 hr 4 times a week, but thats out now. Betas block stress hormones, good and bad. They also block melatonin, affecting sleep patterns, nightmares. Perhaps theres more from others here that can be added. All and all, great job getting down to that low dose, commendable.

I would like to know if you all have major shortness of breath especially on laying down and coughing. I have a relative who is suffering now with Afib and I am not sure what else. Started with cold upper respiratory bug and his afib went wild. Can hardly breathe at times. Miserable and can hardly sleep. Has sleep apnea but has not been able to get used to the cpap. We have seen two regular doctors and went to Er last week. They started him on a drug to slow heart and made him feel like he was dying he said so he quit it. Now he is miserable. Wakes up after stopping breathing in the night. He is a diabetic also and on all kinds of pills for it and HBP. What can I do.

Hyssop is adrenal support.

Hi,

I have been taking Taurine and COQ10 and L Carnitine for hbp and then I go and read that one cannot take Taurine for more than a year.. I even asked a famous Cardiologist who wrote books and believes in alternative treatments.. He says you can take L Carnitine for as long as you want and then I read no you can't take that for too long either. So I am so confused...

I also do magnesium and these supplements are a God Send.

What does your doctor say about the length of taking these amino acids...

Taurine is naturally occurring in foods especially meats and seafood with little side effects, so I m not sure why you would need to stop after 1 year. I'll ask next visit to ND. Mag and Hawthorne are the 2 most important for my Atrial Fibrillation condition.

My husband has had afib for a long time. He is not on meds. I was looking over the posts and was wondering what is the best form of magnesium to take and how much black strap molasses and ACV should he take. Any other suggestions? Thanks!

Hi Ron, Thank you much for sharing your finding. Did you take the bentonite on empty stomack in the morning, or on divided portions? Best

Diatomaceous Earth is the same as the clay. Does bentonite clay cure AF or does it cleanse your small intestine to better absorb the nutrients vital to your heart/rhythm health? I suspect the latter. I did notice some improvement while taking this, shrunk hemorrhoids in 30 days, and tho it did not keep me out of AF, the supplements seemed to work faster to get me back to NSR. 6 months is a long time to work. If that's all you took and did not stop triggers, that is truly amazing and absolutely worth a shot. Beats the regimen of deadly drugs they put us on.

Do you mean to say the Diatomaceous Earth is the same thing or has the same action as Sodium Bentonite Clay? Oh, think again. Not at all the same.

No, I didnt mean to say they are the same item, just that they may have the same effect on our body, removing toxins. I believe Bentonite Clay is from the earth and Diatomaceous Earth is from algae in the sea beds. The 3 types of BC are not recommended for internal use, however the calcium type is suggested as it is more easily digested and moves through the colon where sodium and potash may clog the colon. With either one I would suggest drinking a lot of water. Some have suggested a blend of DE and BC 6 to 1 with great success. Bottom line, whatever removes toxins and gives us better absorption of minerals.

It's not just in the gut and it's not just clay or dirt that can cure this. It may have worked for you, but I'm sure you did a few other things along with the dirt.

I do believe you.... as is very hard to follow a good diet that's why most people fail to achieve results. I going to give it a try and give you feedback. Regards

I have a question. Is it possible due to an injury to my upper back that there was damage to a nerve that would also cause A-Fib symptoms? I have been studying this possibility because I had an injury a herniated disk with so much pain in my upper back. I am 65. A few months later was doing a lot of scrubbing and general cleaning but was bending over and using my arms and shoulders for lifting as well. Soon after had an attack of a racing heart and shortness of breath. Was rushed to the ER and was admitted to the hospital over night. Soon after admitting the racing heart stopped on its own and breathing was back to normal. They couldn't find anything wrong. I was set up with a Cardio and had all the tests. Wore a monitor over a few days. They could find nothing wrong with my heart said it was A-Fib and put me on toprol and low dose aspirin. Said go home that's all that could be done. If it got worse come back. The only time I have these attacks is when I over do and do too much physical work that involves my back and shoulders and arms. Also I seem to be able to help it to ease a little just by changing position and it only seems to happen after going to sleep. I sleep hard and don't seem to change position and when I wake the back of my head is numb and now I notice that the tip of my nose gets numb at different times depending on how I sit or stand. So does anyone know could this be caused by Peripheral Neuropathy? The Doctors that I question say you have A-Fib live with it. I doubt that. I think it may be something else. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Linda, that is interesting about upper back injury and a fib. I was in fender bender (hit from behind) that caused whiplash and a fib started shortly after. My epsiodes occur like yours: in bed when falling asleep. I got chiro treatment right after accident, and have regular visits. I also had all of the following prior to my a fib, which I heard cause a fib:

hot flashes, had just started menopause.

root canal, just had my 1st and only one.

high doses vit D, had started for menopause.

stress, had extra stress.

I've been taking the above supps. for 3 months with no improvement. Stopped the niacin after one day as that is too painful. Was scheduled for ablation but canceled due to stress of blood draws and fear of the procedure. Might sign up for yoga but usually can't stand the classes. Am trying to do deep breathing when stressed.

Hi James, Nh

I was reading your some of the posts on this website and you say you're off the Toprol, Flec etc? I am so happy to hear that since I am just going off at least that awful "flec"! Can't take that drug! It is nasty to take! But they tell me I won't stay out of "afib".I will take the "flec" just when I get it(about once a week now! ) I just a=don't like it every day! I take Toprol 25mg just at night.Couldn't stand the side effects of that one during the day either! What supplements do youtake a=every day?

Could you please tell us what conversion is like and how they do it. My husband has been told he needs it but scared to do it. I don't blame him. The Dr. doesn't really explain how it is done. Does it hurt and isn't it scary?? I am sure this is expensive also. Is it worth it to try it. My husband is getting worse and worse.

Yes, if you do not have heart valve problems, then your A-fib maybe caused by a faulty electrical system and your Vagus nerve, which wanders through your body. I got mine after menopause and it was occasion

Very interested in your post about afib. Would like more information on the dosing of magnesium because I was in ICU for a week with afib - first time ever got it. I don't want to have ablation operation .

Thank you for your post. Very encouraging. I believe the afib is also caused by digestive issues (or surrounds the digestive issues), so I am going to take your suggestion and work on it, and I'll keep you posted.

Hi there, could you let us know how you take the bentonite clay? Mix with water or some other way? You said spoonfuls. Thanks

How would you suggest detoxing the chemicals from the body? Is "detox" tea once a day sufficient, do you think? Or supplements? Garlic? Thanks.

WOW! you are RIGHT ON! My afib was caused by heavy metal poisoning from Chemtrails. For those of you who do not know what they are I suggest you research them because they are SLOW KILLING You, your kids and your grandkis!!!!

What happened to me was I was in the mountains and a huge forest fire started and I got caught in all the smoke. When Chemtrails are sprayed in our skies they fall to the ground after a few hours and land on the trees. When a fire burns the trees all the chemicals get burned up too and there are about a dozen VERY TOXIC Chemicals like aluminum oxide, strontium, barium, chromium, lead, arsenic, cadmium and even radioactive isotopes!

So my lungs were saturated by the chemicals and the next day I got pneumonia like symptoms that developed a huge bacterial infection in my lungs which damaged my heart and that's when my tachycardia started and shortly there after my afib.

All my doctors are not schooled on chemtrails or heavy metal poisoning and do not understand anything about chemtrails and don't believe me when I try to explain.

I have been taking Tangy Tangerine (look it up) and detoxing with Bentonite and Zeolite which is supposed to be the best toxin there is. Krewchef had cookies made with Zeolite and passed them out to all the children in Russia after the Chernobyl radiation innocent many years ago and it kept kids from getting Cancer and/or radiation poisoning.

It may take a long time for me to completely detox but until then I'm taking coreg, metoprolol, digoxin and linisipril for the heart failure high blood pressure I got too.

I was the picture of health before that ill faited day that I was forced to breath in all the chemical laced fire smoke.

I have had an irregular heart beat and Atrial Fibrillation for some time. I have taken L-carnatine magnesium and acupuncture. Could you provide any further non drug help? Paul

@Paul: Maybe no quick fix on this one; but here is a list of supportive nutrients for heart health other than you mentioned. CoQ10 or Ubiquinol, Taurine, D Ribose. You may also consider an herbal combination supporting the entire cardiovascular system, which would include: Hawthorn berry, Gingko biloba leaf, White Oak bark, Butchers Broom, Horse Chestnut, Cayenne, Ginger, Garlic.

You may also consider recommendations by Dr. Sinatra. He has a YouTube channel and two very helpful books on heart disease/health.

Has anyone suffered a first time attack of Gout when taking a combination of the above stated supplements?

Dear Rigger, The way you worded your measurement for the BS confused me. You use an upper case "T" which represents a tablespoon but your instructions could be read as "teaspoon". Would you please advise about this?

can you tell me the maximum dose of fish oil you recommend?

I read that Omega 3,6 and 9 can be taken BUT the total amount can not exceed 3 grams (3,000mg) I take 2,400mg of Youngevity Ultimate EFA PLUS. I also take Tangy Tangerine that has Vit E and K in it but my blood thinner is being dosed with those as my baseline and I cant take any more than what I take daily

To Pat/Pa : I too use the Lorazapam.. low dose .. It works for me. So far has kept me from a full blown attack. More and more my attacks seem to be anxiety related... I have also noticed that any upper respiratory problem..slight cold or allergies can also make me more prone to having an attack. The magnesium is major... can't miss that. I think I'm better.. have cardio appt next week, will probably wear a holter moniter for a couple of weeks just to be sure nothing going on that I'm not aware of. A-fib is crazy weird. :/

I've posted here before as a drop of clear potassium iodine in a little water really helped me. Tryptophan also helps when I get it.....about 200 mgs (not much). I also found I can completely knock it out by putting a 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda in 1/2 glass of water and drinking it in sips so it kind of stays in my throat. Hope this helps someone.

I would love to know more about this. Do you have more information or a reference? I have been trying to learn more about homeopathy.

What type of fish oil do you use?

I have been doing research on Arterial Fibrillation for my Father. He has been healthy and strong his whole life and a few years ago was diagnosed with AF. He came back from a trip from Africa with a blistering rash on his mouth and chin. He also had toe nail fungus and had them removed. Then he was diagnosed with AT. He had that heart reset procedure that would correct the problem for a while then lapsed back to AF. I found an obscure French study that stated that ALL AF patients they tested also had H. pylori infection. I have had a feeling there may very well may be a connection of some type of fungal and bacteria infection affecting the heart. Parasites can also disrupt the heart rhythm. I will start him on Olive Leaf and Iodine and Selenium, B 2 , B 3 , Coq 10, Milk Thistle supplements and see what the next EKG says. I will let you know.

Denise: if I am not mistaken, I wathced a YouTube video of the author of this study; a scientist with high degrees and a nobel to boot (if I'm not mistaken). He had enough clout to publish the truth and facts of a common health problem. Dr. Sinatra highly reccomends supplementing Carnitine in combo with the CoQ10 as they commpliment each other in a much better heart health result (he published a book on this but I don't know the title. He also has a youTube page). Also, supplementing the Ubiquinol form of CoQ10 is also reccomended. Also, Vit-E (mixed tocopherols and tocotreinols) work very well w/ Ubiquinol and Selenium. For pathogens, Grapefruitseed extract and Neem will work well in combo or rotate with the Olive Leaf. Oregeno is also indicated.

Denise, are you able to post the study information for us to locate it? I've been searching, but don't seem to find that one. Thx.

Just wondering how you are doing after the extraction? Did it cure your afib? I am contemplating getting the 3 root canals I have removed as I believe it may be causing my afib also.

Someone replied to this website stating that he had a fib and the dental procedure of root canal was actually causing tremendous infection. I have a fib and am scheduled for root canal of three teeth. Is there an alternative dental treatment other than root canal? Thank you.

Many a true word was spoken in jest.

One known trigger of atrial fibrillation are veterinary antibiotics. This has been confirmed and they are present as residues in meat and dairy. See www.freewebs.com/lasalocid

Your article is interesting. I have been in A-Fib now for about a month and the hospital could do nothing to get me out of it. Just before the episode occurred I consumed large amounts of Alcohol, Metamusal which is wheat based and a large volume of chocolate. I am now here at this site to try and come to grips with how to get out of A-Fib. I'm currently taking Inderol and 325mg of Bayer aspirin daily as the doctors that can't get a patient into NSR believe that "Rate Control" is the best approach.

I have had A-Fib the first time about 10 years ago while doing an army airborn diet of eating just one small can of chicken a day in the evening and I lost 30 pounds in 30 days. Works like a charm but it may have depleted my minerals far too much and far too fast causing a shock like reaction. Shortly afterwards I went into A-Fib that lasted 3 days and while in the hospital it went back on its own despite doctor's best efforts.

The second time it happened was two years later when I ate two plates of home made spaghetti and drank a glass of milk and then went directly to bed and woke up at 4 am with A-Fib and to the hospital I went. 3 days later it went back on its own as before.

The third time it happened a year and a half later was when I made 4 BLT sandwiches and drank a glass of milk and went directly to bed and awoke at 4 am with A-Fib and to the hospital I went and no drugs worked and the heart went back to normal on its own after 4 days.

The fifth time it happened a couple years later I ate two large plates of Tuna casserole and a glass of milk and went directly to bed and, you guessed it, awoke at 4 am with A-Fib and to the hospital I went and again none of the drugs there converted me back to Normal Sinus Rhythm, but instead my heart went back on its own after 3 days......anyone seeing a pattern here???

Now, this time is different because its not going back to NSR. I consumed a large portion of Metamusal earlier in the day, then I had some whiskey a couple of hours after that and then I ate large amounts of chocolate then a few hours after that I ate two large plates of Rigatoni and a glass of milk and went directly to bed, got up at 8 am with A-Fib after not having it for about 4 and a half years. What is going on here? I learned my lesson NOT to go to bed with a full stomach after my fifth episode but I forgot and did it again.

So I surmise that a loaded stomach may be weighing down on the Vegus Nerve and while the stomach contracts and "rolls" around, the heavy stomach must be artificially stimulating my Vegus Nerve causing the signal to the heart to be scrambled which confuses the heart's atrial nerve clusters at the cluster's entry to the heart or its atrial nodes and this stimulation continues to occur while I'm sleeping in a layed down position allowing this nerve communication to occur for sufficient time to trick the heart into a new rhythm which thusly becomes A-Fib and after a few days of food restriction in the hospitals the stomach must be emptying and thusly releasing the pressure off the Vegus nerve allowing everything to return to normal. But why is it now still in A-Fib for the last month instead of just the typical 3 day period? I am completely perplexed!!!

Anyone have a theory? I am ssssooooooo glad I found this site, now I know I'm not a lone ranger in this affliction. I'm going to try everything you guys are talking about. I want my Normal Sinus Rhythm back. I'm a scientist and must be out doors a lot among other things and need my perfect health.

Sounds like you ate and drank a lof of stuff that would use up water to digest and then went to the hospital and got an IV with electrolytes and water. Many people go to the emergency room dehydrated and after an IV they feel good enough to go home. The stuff you ate also had a lot of msg which would decrease your taurine and low taurine can cause heart attacks.

Hope you feel better soon.

While I would never defend MGS as a good thing, it may not be the culprit in this case. Unless you and your mother have a known problem with MSG, it is not likely that you have only had an issue with it in this one product (unless the MSG level is particularly high in this product). Unfortunately MSG and high fructose corn syrup are added to MANY products. You might want to consider some of the less common ingredients such as the anchovies or tamarind, maybe even the chili pepper extract.

My mother has atrial fib and is 87 years old and is doing well on taking a magnesium supplement 100mg, CO enzyme 10 - 100 mg and Calcium tables twice a day. She is on a low dose beta blocker and a blood thinner as well. Her sister is 88 years old and on the same medications and vitamins listed above with atrial fib and still uses a bicycle to get around in Germany. In addition, I found a yoga exercise used for cardiac problems that is supposed to help reverse atrial fib. The exercise is to cover your left nostril of your nose with a finger of your left hand and slowly release any air in your lungs. Then switch to close the right nostril with the same left finger and breath in slowly with your left nostril for a count of 5-7 secs, then alternate and let the air out of the right nostril - continue to do this for about 10 tries. And try to do this on a daily basis or when stressed.

Pareept, your post is interesting I have atrial tachycardia, and found yoga to be helpful, but I'm confused about the overwhelming amount of info about it and which asanas and breathing techniques are best for me. The terminology you used helps to guide my on line search for help. Thank you for posting it.

Beta blocker in my opinion makes all other treatments redundant. If the other treatments were effective, poisonous beta blockers wouldn't be necessary.

Interesting observation........ .I have been diagnosed with methane sabo and have started having AFIB this year.....it seems very related to my stomach issues........which often makes it hard for me to breathe..........doctors just can't seem to figure it out.

To James.Thanks, I may get the ablation eventually but trying to work with supplements and meds right now. I will try the Hawthorne. I only take 12.5 mg a day of toprol. I really don't think it does anything but am afraid it may keep my HR a little lower so that when I do get afib it isn't quite as fast! But as far as the supplements go, none of them seem to rid me of the afib completely! Sooo, I guess I'll just keep going on my same regimen with supplements and meds. You are fight about the fleccanide, it also didn't prevent the afib so I stopped taking it every day and take a "rescue dose" 400 mg when I go into it, which lately is about every 3 weeks. It still takes about 2 hrs for it to work and even that is too long! Hope they come up with a new cure soon! Hanging in and hope you are too! Pray for us all!

Correction to my last statement! The rescue dose is 4 tablets fleccainide which is 200 mg not 400 mg.Sorry! Taken when I go into the fast heart rate which still scares me every time! I never get used to it! Thanks, Pat

Whew, Im glad you clarified that 400mg!! Im a big guy and I was told no more than 3 of my 100mg Flec to get back to NSR. Of course I haven't had the chance to try that because I've converted with Mag and Haw last 2 times. ND says to try the flec to see if that's quicker, but it doesn't sound as tho it is. Don't give up on the supplements and the healing process just yet, it could take 12-18 months to build up the stores of Mag and other good things, not to mention heal the inflammation. Every 3 weeks isn't bad, I'm about 1-2 months, but with the Hawthorne, HR stays low to tolerate. If you're only doing 12.5 of Toprol, you should be ok with Haw. Ablation is not in my thought process right now because you still are bound to Meds after, sometimes forever. One quick hint with my condition, I'm a nocturnal Fibber. So when I get that odd feeling, I load up on Mag, 6-900 mg along with 1 gm Taurine, 500 mg Haw, just before bed. That takes away all the pausing/flutter before bed and I sleep solid and wake up refreshed. Keep in mind that Mag is a blood thinner in its own right, so be careful if you're still on the Decon.

Can you suggest 'brand names' of Taurine, Arginine, Magnesium, etc.

I am on Metaprololol as well as Lisinopril and Pradaxa. Still get AFib at night, regularly. Cardiologist is pushing for me to have the ablation. Really don't want to do that just yet. According to the Holter Monitor after 10 days, I seem to have more of A-Flutter than A-Fib.....

Think I may have Afib, I'll have to get diagnosed. Started off and on past few months. I thought my hot flashes had returned?! I think its mostly after I eat!!! I eat very healthy and am active and healthy. Thanks for your info. Taking notes! Don't want to get diagnosed and go on horrid meds!

I'm in the same boat!

Thank you for your advice, James. Am now down to I 12.5 dose of Toprol a day and using hawthorne (500) mg once a day with the mag (maybe 500-800) a day and feeling better. Palps come less severe and slower when I get them. Hoping that takes care of all the fast erratic episodes of AF. Will report back as time goes by.

So glad to have some relief and not to feel so desperate as to get ablation! Talking to you and earth clinic has helped me lots! Just for the record, I also have been taking coq10 and fish oil and a few other supplements for some time now also. Going to pick up the molasses this week and start that too. Even cancelled my appointment for tomorrow! If all goes well, will let the md's know later on. I will reschedule in a month or so!

Your advice about not giving up on the healing helped too! I'm sure this is some kind of deficiency or something and I always have been! Kept trying to tell them that but they have another agenda! Do also take baby aspirin about 4x a week. And when I remember Vit E few times a week also just to let everyone know! That keeps my blood thin! So does at least 24 oz of water a day! Don't intend to take Big Pharma blood thinner! They tell me by age 65 I should be on it! Hope not!

Pat, that sounds great and promising. I like the slow approach of weaning off the "crutches" and building a foundation of healing. You will possibly find that the Metop is basically adding little to your latest success and will feel like a million bucks when thats gone. You can always grab it in a pinch, I have that and Flec on hand as PIP, but have never used.

Thats the thing with Meds vs supplements, we live in a society of having it all now and drugs allow us that instant fix. It can take as long as a year for us to build stores of Magnesium and other minerals. I just read somewhere that women need much more Mag than men. I like that you cancelled you appt, but suggest you do find a good Naturalpath MD. They arent cheap, and most insurance won't cover, but in the long run, they will save you bouque bucks and aggravation. Mine lets me call him for free when I need advice. One thing he added that I have not taken is Lily Valley. Its like foxglove, digoxin natural, but not as strong. Great anti arrhythmia. The thing with blood "thinners" is, they're not! They once again blocked something, just like all drugs do. At 60 I'm not looking to sign up for all that Pharma has in store for us.

Now up to 2 doses of hawthorne per day and it works pretty well. Although when I started it I had alot of palps for about the first week or so.they seem to have calmed down. Also pumped up the mag to about 600 a day. And still taking the Taurine and the probiotic with a few additional supplements ( vit C and E). Only taking 12.5 toprol because I believe it does nothing for the afib! Fish oil is another one I started! Will keep going with these for a while.

I can even have 1 glass of wine when I go out (which I couldn't have before) and I don't go right into afib! For some reason the alcohol put me right into afib after the first sip! That really made me angry! No more alcohol ever again??? No fun! Believe me, I was never a big drinker but I do enjoy a cocktail when I go out once in a while!

I'm looking for a good "naturopathic doctor" in the area but not a lot of them around in close proximity! It would be nice to get some advice from them, I agree! Helps having all your input with everyone else! Gives me hope for this lousy condition! I think we can get a handle on it if we try! And I sure wasn't with the traditional M.D.'s! It was just getting worse! I honestly think the toprol at times can cause afib! And the "flec" did too! It was weird.Sometimes they helped and sometimes they made me worse! Very strange! I just couldn't figure it out! But I am learning a lot! Hope our luck holds out!

To James, NH, US: Still hunting for a good naturopathic m.d. but trying to treat myself, in the meantime.About drinking the wine, do you just take more hawthorne & mag when you have a glass? Also stopped eating yogurt. When this all started I was having yogurt every day. So I thought I would stop and just having one the other day brought on the afib about 7 hrs later.After not having any for a while I am starting to wonder if yogurt has anything to do with it! Who knows! Also, how did you go off the metapropolol? I'm taking only 12.5 every other day now.Should I skip 2 days and take one every 2 days?

Your mind/body should tell you how you feel and if it's right to take more or none at all of what your concerns are. Most people follow their gut/instincts. If you feel ok with out what ever you question is, then keep trying that path, then if you begin to feel as though you should go back on previous regiment then do so. But my self// I don't do doctors very well, I came very close to a heart attack because of taking conventional meds..Follow your heart. It has never led me wrong yet. Good Luck.

Pat, yes , mostly take Mag 300mg before I drink and at bedtime take 300 more along with 500mg Haw. Alcohol raises my HR, hence the Haw. My ND told me also to take Alpho lipoic acid before drinking. Supposedly releases enzymes in liver to deal with alcohol, not sure on that one. I havent really tested that one.

Metop was easy, the Flecainide took me a few months. Yes, I think that is a good protocol, one day on one day off etc. I was taking 25mg twice a day, and then went to night only 50mg, then 25, then 12.5,7.5.....stopped. I would say over 3 months is reasonable.

Yogurt has something in that has never agreed with me and I hardly touch the stuff. Curious what it is that would cause AF tho?

James.. I read your post about getting off Metoprolol so easy.. I have been doing this for about 8 l/2 months now.. I am going by how I feel but wow this seems like a long time..but I read that I could be overly sensitive to this drug or something..

I am down to 25 mgs. now but it was not without a huge struggle and huge side effects and no I don't have any other issues... I couldn't just cut the pills either . I had to extend the time I took them and then cut them.. There is a site I look at where people have had really aweful time getting off and horrible experiences.. I wish I was one of those..but sometimes I feel like I am doing something wrong.

thank You

Ron, I was reading your post and thought I probably have alot of toxins also. Maybe even parasites! That's pretty gross! But... what can I take to detoxify? I do have a cup of detox tea few x a week. And am taking supplements Mg, Haw, Taurine, etc.Episodes have gotten less severe but not less often! Appreciate your post!

To Hazel: So sorry about your stroke. I know that sometimes we need to take the blood thinner but so far, the doctors haven't asked me to go on it.I understand that the "magic" age they choose to suggest that you begin is 65yrs. I'm not there yet. So, I also think that there are supplements that are blood thinning and can be used for such. I haven't researched all this yet since I have not been advised to take this med yet. And who knows if they prevent all strokes in everyone or not? Wish you the best in your recovery process! Thanks!

Have you tried using a almost runny paste of Goldenseal Root? Works great on athletes foot and toenail fungus. Moisten it with water - a little goes a long way- a little less thinner than pancake batter. Spread it on the infected area, let dry completely, wash off. Great stuff!

I am interested in the probiotic made with brewers yeast. Can anyone explain how you make that?

Hi Sue,

Try searching on Google with these key words "how to make probiotics made with brewer's yeast".

Ron, I have similar condition.. Afib caused by antibiotic Levoquin. I would love to hear an update... have you conquered the afib? Please let us know.