Alternatives to Gelatin
(Ohio)
05/11/2021
Donna,
Unless you find that your compounded meds are bothering you, I would not worry about it. (Worry is an afib trigger, too! ) MSG is naturally in foods. I think if the capsule thing were a significant risk, other natural health websites would be sure to have info about it. I have tried to research this and haven't found info enough to convince myself that I would be better off not using capsules.
Sue-zee-q
(Usa)
05/12/2021
Hi Donna,
The veggie caps are also toxic to me. Serrapeptase and Bromelain are in vegetable capsules. The Bromelain alone caused my prolapse.
KT
Alternatives to Gelatin
(Usa)
05/11/2021
I believe capsules are only a convenient way to take meds/vitamins and don't need to be ingested. For decades, I have been opening capsules and pouring contents in a mouthful of water or mixing in applesauce. If a gel cap, l bite it to remove contents and spit the capsule out.
I don't know anything about China grass, sorry.
KT
(USA)
05/11/2021
China grass is another name for agar-agar, which is derived from algae, and thus a vegetarian product. By and large vegetables contain relatively little protein, but if the algae are subjected to a process that will break protein into its constituent amino acids, glutamate will be produced. The only way to tell if there is glutamate in a product is to get a free amino acid analysis and look for the free glutamic acid (aka glutamate) content. Bottom line is there will be little, if any, glutamate in china grass, and certainly less than in gelatin.
Alternatives to Gelatin
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(Usa)
05/11/2021
(USA)
05/11/2021
If by “safer” you mean containing less glutamate, a safer alternative would be capsules made from vegetable cellulose. Cellulose is basically plant fiber, and one of the most common sources is wood pulp. Manufacturers grind up the wood and extract the cellulose.
(WV)
05/20/2023
The 'cellulose' used in veggie caps is properly called hydroxypropylmethylcellulose. It is a synthetic agent that starts as natural wood pulp (wood cellulose). It is then highly processed with heat and chemicals to yield HPMC and then used as a filler and to make 'veggie caps'. While it is considered safe in the amounts used in food, it is not a natural substance. Some health researchers say it is estrogenic. Others (like myself) find that it aggravates the tummy. Wikipedia calls it a "a semisynthetic, inert, viscoelastic polymer "
In defense of gelatin, glutamine is not glutamate. Many websites who rail against MSG make this assumption. Glutamine is an amino acid essential to life. It is found in high levels in many safe foods, such as cabbage. However, the body can convert glutamine from any source to glutamate (which is also necessary for life), or it can convert it to GABA. You can look it up on BingAI (glutamate-glutamine-GABA cycle). If you are into neurtransmitters, it is an interesting cycle.
MSG is a specific type of glutamate that causes problems for folks like myself so I carefully avoid it. But gelatin causes me no such problems. And according to some experts, if your body is not processing things correctly, your body will convert glutamine (from any source) to glutamate, but may have problems converting it to GABA or back to glutamine, causing a buildup of glutamate and the related problems. There are ways (search it on internet) to give your system the resources it needs to convert glutamate back to glutamine (and GABA). But this might also mean the need to ingest less glutamine (from all sources, including gelatin) until things get under control.
[All this gleaned from the internet after extensive and, I hope, unbiased research for myself]
There are no 'pure' types of capsules that I am aware of. All of them have issues. But as far as I can tell, 'gelatin' caps are much closer to something natural than anything else out there. And for me, they cause no problems.
Too bad we have to spend so much time nursing health problems largely caused or aggravated by chemicals in our environment, poor food, etc.
Gelatin Capsules and Pelvic Prolapse Connection
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When I stopped using the gelatin capsule stool softeners, the prolapse began to subside. I juggle between probiotics, magnesium powder and the stool softeners. When I walk, go up and down the stairs or stand at the kitchen sink I do Kegels. I also do them when I lift ten lbs. from the floor... As you come up, tuck & squeeze your butt. I was fortunate to recognize this early enough to fix it (just a few months), so if anyone has ingested supplements in capsules for a period of time it may take longer.
(U.S.A.)
05/11/2021
As far as a natural stool softener / laxative goes w/o any gelatin or MSG just use a tsp / tbs. of wheatgrass with meals, before going to bed or as needed, adjust the dose as needed. This will do both very quickly speaking from personal experience.
Add activated charcoal as needed to supercharge it, speeds it up and helps with detoxing the body. You are better off buying the activated charcoal & wheatgrass in bulk 1-pound, more or less according to personal need, just sprinkle both on some yogurt or kefir, coconut oil, avocado oil, olive oil, something thick to absorb it, so you don't inhale it.
MSG in Supplements
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(Usa)
05/11/2021
Hi Pamela,
I am sorry I don't know anything about collagen peptides. I had been informed by the late Jack Samuels that magnesium and vitamin C can provide some protection against MSG toxicity.
KT
(Chicago, IL USA)
05/11/2021
Since the ingredient list names glutamic acid and aspartic acid, one could assume they are both ingredients of collagen. There's nothing deceptive about that.
NAC and Glutamate
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If free glutamate is an excitotoxin, it sounds like someone with anxiety or sleep issues should avoid gelatin. I have those issues and take a lot of supplements so will have to try to cut down on those in gelatin capsules by opening them up as suggested, except the ones like fish oil and Q10 are harder to deal with. My doctor has me taking NAC for anxiety which apparently lowers glutamate levels in the brain, don't know how that might be relevant or helpful.
(faithville, Us)
06/02/2021
Ted's Remedies, MSG (Monosodium Glutamate) Poisoning (earthclinic.com)
as for me, I use L-taurine to displace MSG and I don't eat a lot of prepared foods. Many things we come in contact with just need another thing to get it to move along. Like soy lecithin granules emulsify bad fats out of the body, otherwise, they sit in your organs and add to the scales.
(Texas)
08/04/2021
Charity - you posted a wonderfully informative comment in a discussion about prolapse. I wanted to ask some questions but didn't see a reply button. So I hope this finds you. Maybe I should appeal to admin rather than going off track in this discussion. Please let me know.
Blessings to you
Margaret
EC: ? There is a reply button under Charity's post, which is how you replied, so fire away!
(faithville, Us)
08/05/2021
Margaret, I tried to post about prolapse in many sections, it's such a miserable thing to deal with. Not that other health issues are fun, but the pain in the pelvic makes sitting, standing and walking unpleasant. I learned a lot from many places and currently I am studying believing to receive. I was studying faith for years on end. I remember in my twenties I read she was healed by her faith and I cried, because I felt like I didn't have enough faith to get healed. At one time I wore a pessary, but I learned a lot from that experience. Pain makes me go look for answers. I am studying horsetail. I have a lot in the swamp area but I don't know enough to really dive in. I have made a dark tea like water with it and foot soaked and that seemed to do some amazing things in my body. I used that tea for a hair rinse that was awesome. I believe it is one big key in tendons and ligaments that hold organs in place.Horsetail - Old World Herb for New World Health | Harmonic Arts - YouTube. I have taken the supplement for years. Eric Berg taught me that (my subconscious mind is behind my inability to digest food because I grew up in trauma so I was programmed to run ) while running my body is not thinking about digesting food or minerals. I take ox bile daily and taurine together. I read about that in the product tudca. TUDCA Benefits: Linked to Bile, Liver, and Gut Health - Microbe FormulasTM. My hope is to reach the level where my thoughts meet my needs. The Lord is my Shepherd and I shall not be in want. I have goals. Feel free to ask questions. Blessings, charity