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Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Naturalwoman57 (Usa) on 11/23/2016
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My hubby was diagnosed with bladder cancer in 2008. He has had four surgeries to remove tumors which includes putting chemo in the bladder. He refuses to have additional chemo and has been in remission for a little over three years.
He takes 1 teaspoon of baking soda in 8 ounces of water with fresh squeezed lemon (organic) juice twice a day for five consecutive days each month. A healthy alkaline diet and taking supplements are also important to staying cancer free.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Grapes (USA) on 05/21/2013
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Hi. For the third time in a year, my husband found himself with bladder tumors. The first time, he was told they were pre-cancerous. The second time: "developing cancer tumors." This time, the scan, which he also saw, showed one of them to be much larger and different—round with a lot of white-looking bubbles. There were three in all. We were naturally very concerned.
The pre-surgery physician said they were low-grade cancer.
He was scheduled for surgery in three and a half weeks. During this time, I introduced the following into his routine:
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Baking Soda and Molasses: One teaspoon of baking soda mixed with one teaspoon of molasses in water, taken twice a day. I read about anecdotal accounts online where this combination seemed helpful for some people. We stirred it well but didn't heat it, as recommended in some protocols.
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Astaxanthin: 20 mg daily. This is a powerful antioxidant that gives lobsters their red color. I had read about a potential connection between inflammation and tumors and thought it might support his overall health.
Fast forward to the day of the surgery—when the surgeon went in, to his surprise, the tumors were completely gone. I wasn't sure what to make of it but was relieved.
When I asked the surgeon what might have caused them to disappear, he speculated that the tumors may have been inflammation, as inflammation and cancer can look similar. However, he couldn't explain how the inflammation resolved itself.
Whether they were cancer or inflammation, I don't know for certain. What I do know is that inflammation has been linked to the development of tumors, and addressing it might be an important factor. Did the baking soda or the astaxanthin help? It's hard to say. It's possible that one or both played a role.
For now, I plan to keep him on baking soda (likely without molasses and at a slightly reduced amount, twice a day) and astaxanthin as part of his routine. I'll monitor his progress and report back over time.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Darrin (Western Australia) on 04/07/2016
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I tried this with my 82 yr old father. He had surgery booked for today & the surgeon for some reason decided to go in with the camera 1st to access the cancer. He called a colleague over to look & said they can't see the cancers that were there before! They couldn't explain it! My Dad hated the molasses & baking soda mix tho, so gave up on that bit very quickly. He did, however, consume a bottle of the astaxanthin a couple of weeks ago. (About a 10 day course) Extremely good day!
Carrot Juice
Posted by Kewpie (California) on 09/21/2016
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I had a similar situation as Candace...all the signs of bladder cancer with no other explanation such as UTI, kidney stones, etc. Had an ultrasound and nothing was found. So they scheduled a scope, and I was worried and in a lot of pain for months. Like you, I wanted to address it before something was found and they pressured me into their treatments. In an effort to help myself, I put off the scope twice, extending my self-treatment to 5 or 6 months.
I already knew about Gerson and had seen a YouTube video of Jay Kordich, who said he overcame his bladder cancer with carrot juice and Granny Smith apples. Googling bladder cancer and carrot juice led me to more information from a woman who described her approach by juicing 5 lbs of carrots a day. A man tried it as well and claimed it resolved his bladder cancer. When I looked further into it, I learned there is an anti-cancer substance called farinicol found only in carrots.
So that's what I did—I drank 5 lbs of carrot juice a day, cut out all other sugars, and took a teaspoon of baking soda in water in the morning. My skin turned orange, especially my hands. Having two young children, I was very worried and didn't share with anyone what I feared. Drinking the carrot juice became somewhat addictive as my bladder would stop hurting when I drank it. After a while, I was feeling better and not having much pain.
I finally went in for the scope. When I got there, they gave me a urinalysis, and I became immediately hopeful when no microscopic blood was detected. This had not happened on the prior six urinalysis in the past year. The scope itself was painful, but lucky for me, it showed I was clear. I can't prove it, but I think I resolved the issue on my own.
The only alternate diagnosis I can come up with is interstitial cystitis (I am a medical provider). I have not continued drinking the carrot juice regularly. Fortunately, I haven't had symptoms since, but if I think I am getting any symptoms, I will drink carrot juice again.
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Naturalwoman57 (Usa) on 07/10/2017
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Hi Glen from Pueblo, CO. I apologize for the delay in this response. My husband is still in remission. It is important to keep the body alkaline by eating fruits & vegetables (raw), in smoothies as well as including them in cooked meals. In addition we limit dairy, sugar & gluten & drink a lot of purified water.
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Naturalwoman57 (Usa) on 07/10/2017
Hi Pat in Lubbock, TX. In my husband's case I believe that getting injections (with cortisone) in his back may have contributed to the cancer. I can't prove it but since he stopped getting the injections and started the baking soda he has not had anymore tumors. In addition limiting dairy, gluten, sugar, eating raw fruits & vegetables, cooking meals that include vegetables & drinking lots of purified water (good quality water) are important for good health & wellness.
Baking Soda and Maple Syrup
Posted by LISA (CO) on 12/14/2023
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A friend of mine was diagnosed with bladder cancer. I told him about the baking soda treatment. He tried it with real maple syrup and baking soda simmered together and then mixed with a cup of hot water. He had his latest appointment and... No more cancer found! Because of the taste, he did 2 tsp of maple syrup with 1 tsp of baking soda in a cup of hot water once a day. Voila!
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Naturalwoman57 (Usa) on 09/19/2023
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Updated 9-19-2023
My husband has been cancer free since 2014 though he did have some cancer cells in 2017. Once again, he did the baking soda drink and has NOT had any cancer cells or tumors since. He would make the baking soda drink before eating in the morning and then repeat it before going to sleep (several hours after his last meal). He would add the juice of half of an organic lemon, one teaspoon of baking soda & 8 ounces of purified water. He would add everything in at once and would wait until the reaction stopped. He did it for five consecutive days and would get retested two - three weeks after. Eating well is key because cancer likes an acidic environment, it is critical to eat a well-balanced meal.
*** Disclaimer: We are NOT doctors; we believe in natural health & eating healthy foods though not always (our stomachs let us know if it didn't like what we ate). We see a holistic doctor a few times a year and I took classes in nutritional counseling which is the key to prevent illnesses/diseases. We CANNOT diagnose anyone. I can only make recommendations based on what I have learned through taking classes, experiences, and a lot of research. I CANNOT guarantee anything***
Ted's Remedies
Posted by Candance (Nebraska) on 09/18/2013
★★★★★
I had a scare this spring after a appendicitis attack. |They discovered blood in my urine and thought I might have bladder cancer so they scheduled a procedure to scope the bladder. This kind of shocked me as I have been eating an organic diet for over 10 years. I have always been pretty extreme when it comes to what I put in my body.
I decided to put off the procedure for a month and try Ted's remedy for bladder cancer. My reasoning was IF they did find something I did not want them cutting into it and taking the risk of spreading. And if they did find something I knew I would not follow their protocol for treatment anyway.
Took a bit of doing to find all the ingredients. Finally found the tannic acid at a wine making supply store. :o)
I did the regiment every hour for 4 hours twice a day. I also added in Astaxanthin after reading about other people success with it.
And ate and drank a diet that would lower my body PH.
After doing this for little over a week. I finally went in and let them do the procedure. They found nothing. :o)
EC: You will find more information about Ted's recommendations for bladder cancer on this page.
Budwig Diet
Posted by Lloyd (Torremolinos, Malaga, Spain) on 04/03/2009
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I personally visited Dr. Johanna Budwig in Germany in the year 2000. She passed away in 2003 at the age of 95 from a fall. Dr. Budwig was nominated 7 times for the Nobel Prize Dr.Budwig had over a 90% success rate with this protocol with all kinds of cancer patients over a 50 year period. Dr. Budwig worked with many patients who were terminally ill and some who had only hours to live. Dr. Budwig explained in her books that her healing plan works on improving the cells of the body. It doesn't matter where the cancer cells are located or what name if given to your cancer because the Budwig program gives cells what is needed in order for them to normalize in their functioning process. Her approach successfully treated the cause of all types of cancer, such as breast cancer, lung cancer, brain cancer, prostate cancer, Bone cancer, Carcinoma, bladder cancer, cervical cancer, esophageal cancer, stomach cancer, Leukemia, Hodgkin's disease, skin cancer, etc., and other common serious illnesses such as such as Arthritis, Asthma, Fibromyalgia, Diabetes, Blood Pressure, Multiple sclerosis, Heart Disease, Psoriasis, Eczema, Acne, and so on. She used a unique formula of cold pressed flaxseed oil and low fat cottage cheese with a little honey.
Lloyd from Southern Spain
EC: You will find the Budwig Diet Protocol on this page.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Gary (Kitchener On) on 12/14/2023
Hi Imad
I have tried 3-4 Frankincense Oils and I found that my favoured oil is made by the brand NoW, the strength is 20%.
God Bless
Gary
Borax
Posted by Pastor William Barhorst (EC's YouTube Channel) on 06/11/2021
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I UPDATED JAN 22 2018
I'm 62 years old and cancer free! Read it! I remember getting planters warts because of all the marching with the new Navy issue shoes in boot camp. The doctors would shave the wart down daily then put a piece of hard foam with a hole in center over the wart to force it out with each step and kept shaving it down until the root would separate from the rest of the skin then grabbed it with tweezers and pulled it out! I did it myself many times after that. I'm planters wart free for over 40 years.
I used borax to successfully treat my cancer. I'm adding more information to this four months after I posted this.
Today is Jan 22,2018 and I want to add that the Doctors at the Veterans Hospital told my family If I didn't go through the entire procedure they recommended including scraping the tumors out of my bladder then after it healed to fill bladder and hold it in as long as I could or I'd die in 30 to 45 days.
Well after the doctors forced the large equipment (Video cameras needed to see what they were doing plus the scraping and burning equipment up my very small in diameter urinary track), they ripped it from tip of my male member all the way up to my bladder causing heavy bleeding which caused the catheter to get plugged up which caused a life threatening infection and tremendous pain. I begged doctors to cut my member off because it swelled to the size of a cucumber and was just as green. I told doctors I will not let their urinary doctors touch me again. Especially after the doctor pulled out the catheter from me as if he was trying to start a lawnmower that wouldn't start! I filed a report against him after I left the emergency room with Patient Advocate at the VA.
Well it's been just over 2 years since I was diagnosed with the cancer in 4 parts of my body and since I started treating my cancer with Borax. So I am living proof it works! The doctors did an ultrasound to locate the cancers they originally found on x-ray after I went to them because I saw blood in my urine. They wanted to find out if they could cut the cancers out. Well, they couldn't find any cancer! They wouldn't document when I told them of my curing it with Borax but they haven't done any more testing to try to locate it. I'm going to have my Primary care doctor put in an order for further tests to see if they can find any cancer in me. But they said I would be dead 30 to 45 days and it's 2 years now and I'm still here. I took a table spoon of Borax in a 2 liter plastic bottle from either Gatoraide or Poweraide. I drink it slowly over a few day period. I also recently found I've been getting erections for no reason throughout the day and night! (I'm celibate for many years I might add.) Which for me decreased with all the pain medications I was on. I haven't had this happen like this since grammar and High School!
EC: We just discovered this fantastic comment on our borax video YouTube channel. It's from January 22, 2018. Someone recently replied that they discovered on Facebook that the pastor died last year (2020). It is the first testimonial about borax successfully treating cancer that we've come across!
The pastor's original post is here if anyone wants to read the additional comments: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXqlBVXUI98&lc=UgiwcEyr6utcDXgCoAEC
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Naturalwoman57 (Usa) on 06/06/2024
Hi Tracy, you're welcome. My husband is still in remission. He would just do 5 days a month.
Juice Therapy
Posted by Ron (Florida, US) on 01/11/2015
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In 1948 bladder cancer was terminal. Jay Kordich traveled to New York to see a doctor named Max Gershin and was given juice therapy. Mr Kordich is still alive today and in his ninties. I think it should be against the law for medicine to hide this remedy because it is not a drug or surgery. It requires no doctors at all. Juice apples and carrots every day will work and I proved it with one of my relatives that had bladder cancer. He no longer has it and is totaly free of the cancer. Just go to you tube and see the videos by Jay Kordich, its a fact and a fact that is costing people life and money to feed a medical system that ignores this simple treatment.
Bladder Cancer Remedies
Posted by Danni (Olympia, Wa) on 08/11/2013
I just had a bladder exam in which my doctor indicated I have a tumor. He has scheduled me for CT scan in a couple of weeks. But I am scared and want to do something now. I've heard that alternative treatments have been successful in treating many types of cancer. Is there any treament or suggestions you could offer me? I appreciate your help and thank you for providing this site.
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Baldev (Maharashtra) on 06/03/2017 184 posts
Hi Teresa,
Half a teaspoon of sodium bicarbonate/baking soda with one lemon juice squeezed in and half a glass of water thirty to forty miutes after the meal should be taken. One can take twice a day. But if one wants to take it before the meal, then two hours before the meal.
One should also introduce flax seed and flax seed oil in the diet.
Good luck, Baldev
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Naturalwoman57 (Usa) on 01/21/2022
Edited 6/06/24 at 6:00 am
Marianne, I am so sorry for not replying to you. I never received a notification. My husband is still cancer free. Please contact me at spiritualwoman57(@)gmail.com, I would like to get an update from you.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Grapes (Usa) on 10/11/2013
★★★☆☆WORKED TEMPORARILY
UPDATE: his bladder cancer came back. Our mistake was not maintaining keeping him alkaline by using pH strips, and not being more strict with what he eats and drinks. We are starting the protocol all over again, and this time, we will be practising a better lifestyle. He will be drinking a veggie drink every day, no soda, limited coffee. He will keep track of his pH levels every day. We are looking into using Frankencense Oil, which studies have shown to reverse bladder cancer. He will be trying this next:
www.phkillscancer.com/cancer/natural-gentle-cancer-protocol-dropped-into-my-lap-lemon-sea-salt-oxygen-no-baking-soda-or-ph-paper
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Fan ( Australia) on 04/19/2015
How is it going with the baking soda treatment? I am kind of in the same boat and would like to know if your husband has had continued success.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Gary (Kitchener On) on 09/12/2023
Hi Imad
Yes there is a treatment for bladder cancer. I got rid of my bladder cancer by rubbing Frankinsence Oil 3 times a day, I rubbed the oil bladder located slightly on the right side if ypu were looking down at your belly button 10 inches below. Maybe 3-4 drops each time. My cancer was gone in 5 weeks.
Hope this helps
Gary
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by John (Dallas ) on 12/15/2023
Please keep in mind 90% of Frankincense oil on the market is either diluted, adulterated or fake. There are several different kinds of Frankincense oil: Occulta, Papyrifera, Rivne, Sacra, Serrata. An authentic Frankincense oil goes from $22 to $70 for 15 ml.
Baking Soda and Maple Syrup
Posted by Robyn (Ohio) on 12/20/2023
How many times did your friend do the baking soda & maple syrup for his bladder cancer before he was cancer free?
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Glen (Pueblo, Co) on 05/19/2017
Curious, Nature Woman's husband. Baking soda and lemon. How is he now? I had big, invasive, high grade tumor removed. Definitely interested in obtaining good results!
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Pat (Lubbock, Tx) on 06/29/2017
Have a friend recently diagnosed with bladder cancer. Has this mixture been shown to work as a preventative and/or remedy in lieu of chemo or other medical treatments?
Thank you,
Pat
Budwig Diet
Posted by Marty Of East End Long Island (Sag Harbor, New York, Usa) on 07/06/2012
I would much appreciate any information on these alternative treatments (Budwig Diet and to earlier remedies). I have a bad case of bladder cancer and can't risk conventional treatments because I have also Behcet's Disease (a BCG might destroy the lining).
Any information is appreciated. Thank you, Marty of East End Long Island
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Teresa (Bangalore, India) on 06/03/2017
Hello... could you please let us know, 1 teaspoon baking with 2 teaspoon lemon juice should be taken before dinner or after dinner....thanks
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Marianne (Ontario) on 07/20/2020 12 posts
Hello Naturalwoman57 - my husband has just been diagnosed with Bladder cancer. We have deferred the Cystoscopy since this is invasive - but CT scan has been scheduled for July 24,2020.
I would like to know if your husband is still cancer-free - I appreciated your response ASAP - please. Thank you for your kind answer.
Marianne.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Anon (Anon) on 05/22/2013
Great news and great information, thankyou x
Budwig Diet
Posted by Mt (Ottawa, On Canada) on 07/14/2012
Small Flowered Willow-herb
The tea is an infusion of one heaped tsp per 1/4 litre of boiling water for 1/2 minute. Only two cups a day are taken, 1 cup in the morning on an empty stomach, 1 cup in the evening, half an hour before the meal.
In Maria Treben's book "Health through God's Pharmacy" you can read about her experience on the Small Flowered Willow-herb.
Lemon Water
Posted by Cathy Colorado (Mason, WV) on 05/07/2008
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[]...try drinking lemon water for the initial pain and then later it will get rid of it. Make the lemon water as strong as possible, say 4 wedges squeezed into a glass of water making it tart. NO SUGAR!! I told a friend about this and she said when her father had bladder cancer he was told by the doctor to use this for pain. If you drink the juice of 1 lemon in an 8oz glass of water when you first get up with no food or coffee for 30 minutes there after, you can dissolve gallstones. It takes about a year consistently. You also need to take some digestive enzymes to aide in digestion. Then also take some Red Rice Yeast and CoQ10 to bring down cholesterol, which causes gall stones. Tumeric can be used for getting rid of melonomas ans this is substantiated by science on the Texas Anderson College Cancer Research Center site. I have used it and it has stopped the growth of some facial and arm skin cancers with amazing results. I wonder if you could make a paste of it and put it on the cancers... Hmmmm?
Borax
Posted by Tessa (Okanagan, Canada) on 08/13/2024
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Marianne (Ontario) on 05/05/2021 12 posts
Hi Glen - my husband has just been diagnosed with large bladder cancer - doctor wants to do an operation ASAP with chemo and radiation to follow up.
I know how the conventional treatment harms the whole system - what did you do and how did it help.
I thank you for a speedy reply - Marianne.
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Shereen (Cairo/Egypt) on 04/05/2024
May we use normal lemon instead of organic lemon? Best regards
Bladder Cancer Remedies
Posted by Gina (Florida) on 03/31/2016
Best Information I have read so far. Pure Truth!
Bladder Cancer Remedies
Posted by Tom (San Antonio) on 05/09/2016
Try essiac tea.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Imad (San Jose, CA) on 09/11/2023
Hi Did this work for you? I am having problems with recurring bladder cancer and desperately looking for help. Thank you.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Imad (California) on 12/05/2023
Thank you so much for the info Gary!
is there a particular Frankincense oil that you could please recommend?
Budwig Diet
Posted by Gavin (Manganui, Northland, New Zealand) on 07/07/2012
Sorry to hear about your problem. I came across a blog about a guy who had bladder cancer, he was due to have an operation on the bladder in two weeks. Then his friend told him about the Lemon juice remedy he heard about. The guy tried it, for the two weeks before the surgery. During the pre op. scan the surgeon could find no sign of cancer, so that was an end to it. If you do a Google Lemon juice and bladder cancer im sure you'll find it.
Budwig Diet
Posted by Heather (Leicester ) on 07/07/2012
Hi Marty, my dad passed from this cancer 2 years ago very quickly so you have my sympathy. I can tell you what I have observed - dont do conventional treatment for this. My dad was a former athlete, still very fit drank no alcohol and ate everything in moderation. I would say follow teds advice and eat no sugar/ no carbs and measure your glucose levels 1 hour after eating. No foreign travel/ plane journeys as like ted said it does seem to aggravate this type of cancer. There is a lady in England called Mary Archer (who is married to a infamous English politician and author called Geffory archer) and she had this cancer and managed to have a bladder transplant and is fit and well now- so you may be able to google this and find out something useful. Good Luck and best wishes for your recovery, Heather x
Budwig Diet
Posted by Mt (Ottawa, Ontario) on 08/28/2013
Ria, I am not sure if your question is about the Small Flowered Wilow but here is an extract of Maria Treben's book:
Here is a general treatment for removing tumors:
A warm poultice of Horse tail applied above the tumor in the morning and afternoon each time for 2 hours. At noon apply Swedish Bitter as a compress.
Drink 1 cup of Horse tail infusion 1/2 hour before breakfast and 1 cup 1/2 hour before supper. Also drink an infusion of Calendula, Yarrow and Stinging Nettle (ratio is 300g- 100g- 100g in 1. 5 liter of water). To each cup of this infusion you should add 3 to 6 drops of Wood Sorrel juice.
Baking Soda and Maple Syrup
Posted by Anthony (usa) on 12/15/2023
Hi LISA,
Which brand of maple syrup was used?
Thank you
Borax
Posted by Lou (AR) on 08/13/2024
Hi, Lou here from AR, I've been dealing with bladder C-word since Oct 21 n have tried several different types of protocols n little worse than ever, apparently methods I've tried don't work for my type, like get with ya if possible in the Near Future if possible, anywho thanks, Lou
Baking Soda and Lemon Juice
Posted by Tracy (PA) on 06/01/2024
Still in remission? Did he start with the 12 day protocol then convert to 5 days a month? Or did he just do 5 days a month from the beginning? Thanks so much for posting this.
Ted's Remedies
Posted by Susan (Asheville, NC) on 06/06/2020
★★★★★
What are the amounts of each ingredient for Ted's bladder cancer remedy?
The ingredients are: msm, tannic acid, bht, glutamine & threonine All to be taken hourly for 4 hours, two times a day I'm scheduled for a TURBT procedure in 9 days.
Thanks, Susan from Asheville
Bladder Cancer Remedies
Posted by Gavin (Northland, New Zealand) on 08/11/2013
If you google "bladder cancer and lemon juice" You will find that a similar man diagnosed got it to disappear within three weeks using lemon juice.
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Khaja (Andhra Pradesh) on 02/25/2016
Same problem have my father hope that God's grace I saw this review helpful for me
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Jaymi (Kansas City, Usa) on 09/20/2016
Hi Darrin - how's it going with your dad? My 78yo dad just had surgery & is about to start Chemo - which I don't like. I doubt I'll be able to convince him not to do it but I could hopefully get him on a regime of supplements if others are finding they work. Has he had more check-ups? Has he stayed on the regime?
Baking Soda, Blackstrap Molasses, Astaxanthin
Posted by Jessica (Miami) on 10/26/2016
Hi! I find your experience useful. My father was diagnosed about 6 months ago & after they removed a small tumor from the bladder it has returned. Did you have any luck with the Frankencense oil? Any other suggestions. Theres so much information on the internet I do not know where to begin. I am starting with changing his eating habits and making him juices. I read about the lemon water and baking soda. I am going to buy the Budwig Diet book also...
Budwig Diet
Posted by Ria (Little Falls) on 08/27/2013
Please send me the information you have as my dearest friend in about a week and a half is going to have her bladder removed because they are telling her there is nothing else they can do. I can not imagine it being so hopeless that this is the only option. Thank you.
