H1N1 Flu Treatment

This is VERY alarming:

"Boston - A new proposed bill designed to combat the threat of the H1N1 virus would allow the state to forcefully quarantine people in the event of a pandemic.

Anyone who refuses to comply with the quarantine order could face jail time or a $1000 per day fine. The "Pandemic Response Bill" would also force health providers to vaccinate people, authorize forcible entry into private homes, and impose fines or prison sentences on anyone not complying with isolation or quarantine orders."

Full story: http://www1.whdh.com/news/articles/local/BO123558/

This is in Massachusetts. If it passes there, I could see it being taken up by other states. Our rights are under serious threat here.

We need to be careful about rumors; these are serious issues and we need to know the truth to make informed decisions. Scaremongering on any side should be avoided at all costs. There's a lot of sites out there whipping up hysteria and I expect to see that grow exponentially as we move into autumn. We need to stay focused on *facts* - they are all that will truly serve us.

Some of us are alarmed and others are still sleeping apparently. I am getting more alarmed by the day and it's not just happening in Mass. Other states have already got the same as you. Not only that, but papers have already been signed by present administration, to place us under rule by UN and WHO (United Nations and World Health Organization) any time that UN and WHO declares a pandemic situation and it certainly looks like they are trying hard to make swine flu into a pandemic so they can declare martial law and do all that you said (fine, quarantine, incarcerate, etc) and more.

It seems papers have already been signed to let United Nations decide what our children and all others will be taught in school (WOW - how do you like that one for keeping government out of education?) I don't know about the rest of you, but I think America should maintain control over American Education.

After what happened with vaccines during the past year, who wants mandatory vaccinations? After many deaths following vaccinations, several doctors and nurses who administered the vaccines were charged with homicide, but haven't seen where they have gone to trial yet.

Swine flu vaccines shipped to Europe landed in the hands of an astute person who decided to test this untested vaccine sent to them. Every ferret it was given to died. When Baxter was contacted about the problem, they first said they had accidentally contaminated the vaccine with the live virus. When questioned closely on how that could have happened, they changed it to they had accidentally shipped the live virus instead of the vaccine. I still have not found an answer to why our federal government has ruled that the company producing the vaccines cannot be sued and our government will be responsible. To date, I have read of 2 cases where the government has admitted harm to the children. The CDC, WHO and others are still arguing that vaccines have nothing to do with autism, but the fact remains that Autism is still escalating among our vaccinated children, while the Amish and others who do not vaccinate their children are not blessed with autistic children.

Did any of you in Mass. ask for these new changes? Or did you learn about them after they were shoved through without any previous warning? When you read Codex Alimentarius or Obama's Health Reform Bill and others, they are worded so ambiguously that they can be interpreted to be in your best interest, but as you have now learned they are also worded so as to be interpreted to cover a lot of changes you don't need or want. Don't leave out our FDA who is supposed to keep our food and drugs safe, did you read about where they approved a drug recommended by a dog? Ingredients will soon not be required on our foods. GMO and irradiated foods will not be marked so you can't know what is and what isn't. Organic food laws will be so cumbersome and detrimental to the small home or organic farmer as to put them out of business. Seems someone wanted to know if they really bothered to read or check anything so they sent their bogus study through and found out that they apparently don't bother. How about the FDA jumping on the guy for checking every cow for mad cow disease before shipping them, telling him to cease and desist because he was inspecting far more than required.

There are lots of places to go and read about more of this stuff and I have stumbled onto quite a few good sites: Natural Solutions Foundation, CFIF (Citizens for Individual Freedom), Educate yourself.com, IMVA (International Medical Veritas Assn), and WorldNetDaily.com among others. Watching some of the videos made at some of the Town Hall Meetings re Obama's Health Care Reform Bill was very revealing. Their attitude seems to be "We don't care what you think or want so shut up and listen to us". You have probably heard or seen the video of the security guard at one of these Town Hall Meetings told a man holding a poster outside the building. When the man protested at his threats to arrest him for the poster, and the man responded with "This used to be America", the guards response was "It ain't no more, OK".

Wake up American voters! We already have our Washington representatives trying to ram through a bill that few if any of them have read, and that one asked what good it did to read the bill unless you had a couple of weeks to read it in (1005 pages) and a couple of lawyers to tell you what was in it after reading it, and he could have added "and 2 or 3 hundred more pages of pork are attached to the bills in the last hour or two before it comes up for vote". T from Mass. has already learned what happens next. Don't be surprised to learn it has already been passed in your state.

From the BBC:

Research has cast doubt on the policy of giving antiviral drugs to children for swine flu. Work in the British Medical Journal shows Tamiflu and Relenza rarely prevent complications in children with seasonal flu, yet carry side effects. Although they did not test this in the current swine flu pandemic, the authors say these drugs are unlikely to help children who catch the H1N1 virus.

[...]There is also the risk that widespread use of the drugs will mean the virus will develop resistance to them.

Full article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8193012.stm

I was just wondering if anyone can answer my question. Once you have contracted the Seine flu, and have "passed" it (no more symtoms...) can you get it again? Thanks! Erika.

And these are the "experts" we're supposed to trust. People really need to lose the fairy tale thinking that the government is some benevolent parent lovingly looking out for their best interests.

Legal immunity set for swine flu vaccine makers - they want to push their vaccines on you and even make them mandatory, but don't want ANY responsibility for what they may do to you or your kids. They learned from the 1970's payouts. Now they're legally free to cause harm without consequence:

Live bird flu virus "accidentally" sent as vaccine - Considering the stringent measures required for bio labs, I find it HIGHLY suspicious that this could ever be an accident. "People infected with a mixture of H5N1 and H3N2 viruses could become incubators for a hybrid virus able to transmit easily to and among people." Rather convenient when the 'bumbling' company (Baxter) was seeking a Europe-wide license for a bird flu vaccine. The article calls it unfortunate because of that, but it seems to me that if a pandemic did break out from that, Baxter was right in position to sell its "protection":

Baxter also filed for a swine flu vaccine patent well before this "pandemic" business:

http://tinyurl.com/lugoca (used TinyURL to link as the original is very long)

Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder (some really "out there" claims but these days I'm not so sure I'd just dismiss it all offhand without further research):

http://www.naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html

Therefore here are the Frequently Corrected Myths (FCM) :

1. Not many have swine flu.

The number of official swine flu numbers are in the hundreds here in Thailand, but based on percentage figures of people with H1N1, the numbers are much closer to 5% of the population. An official swine flu numbers, it has to go through the usual bureaucracy. Unfortunately much of the population who do have gotten the H1N1 has been discounted.

2. Tamiflu will cure swine flu.

I have encountered a person who was dying from swine flu, pretty much the doctors have given up. Tamiflu simply didn't work both as prevention and in advanced cases of the swine flu, or the 2009 Viruses. The only thing that has helped this man in ICU was actually the hourly dose for 24 hour of 1000 mg of lysine. For weeks he was on high fever, and the only thing that can tame his fever was actually the lysine. When he did get better and body temperature became normal, the lysine dose was switched to 2000 mg every two hours, since every hour prevented him having long sleep. Lysine was fed via tube. Ideally the lysine dose can be spaced much further if there is no increase in any fever. Since this man was a confirmed H1N1, where it took a week to found out he did have H1N1, the swine flu ate away about half of his lungs, from excessive mucus, and the man was not able to breathe on his own, and has to be on an artificial respirator. As a result, the excessive mucus was controlled with 4 tablets of chinese herbal supplements ganmaoling tablets, taken every 4 hours so it may again disturb his sleep schedule. Within the first hour, there were clear indications of reduced mucus, and it was this that ate away his lungs. His inability to breathe was placed on artificial respirator, as a result two more supplements needed to restore his normal breathing using methylene blue 0.1% taken at 2 drops one in the morning and two drops one in the evening. Since methylene blue did restore or return his breathing and was taken off the artificial respirator within the week, the methylene blue caused him to sleep less as he now has more energy. Therefore the dose was reduced to one drop in the morning and one drop at 12.00 p.m. Tamiflu was not helpful both as prevention and when people did have it since some were on tamiflu.

3. There is no cure for swine flu.

To keep the word "cure" is a sin in the eyes of FDA. Therefore many people stopped having the flu after taking the lysine and ganmaoling after three days for those who already had the flu for more than two weeks and isn't going away. It's the nature of the ping pong effect of this swine flu. That means, if you can get rid of it or cure it, it will come back to you three or four more times, but at shorter intervals. Much like a ping pong rebounding when you drop them to the floor, assuming of course that lysine was used as the remedy to stop it. Some people if they take lysine for example, only 2 dose and it was completely stopped. But old people with serious immune system, the swine flu didn't help.

4. Alcohol gel will stop swine flu.

In most conditions, viruses don't get killed with alcohol or alcohol gels. They are ideal for bacteria, but viruses can get killed with hydrogen peroxide 1%, vinegar, peracetic acid, but NOT alcohol.

5. Vaccination will stop swine flu.

For a few strange believers like me, I believe the swine flu was deliberately spread, and i may be wrong, since I identified this same viruses and correctly named it "2009 virus" even before authorities found out and I noticed this viruses to be on the spread since September 2008. So obviously I may be right now and then, however, I believe vaccinations is going to make things much worse and make it more pandemic as the vaccines are made up of real live swine flu virus. How I know is rather simple. The authorities ignored the spread of viruses since last year. There was efforts by the Mexican government months before a major flu epidemic occur to giving flu shots on the children and young people. Apparently it was this flu shots that made it deadly or helped spread it. The effected were mostly youhng children and army recruits during the 1917-1918 Spanish flu. Apprently these were the same group that got vaccination BEFORE the pandemic also. It's a repeat history all over again. My favorite links anytime I talk about this pandemic has always been this, assuming you are well read and familiar with the information anyway, here it is: http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwopopcontrol.shtml

6. Virus first Started in Mexico.

It started near Fort Detrick which is where they developed biological weapons, commonly called H1N1. It's probably the same 1918 Spanish flu, but they keep changing the names, now it's called 2009 viruses.

7. Swine flu is like any other flu.

Not at all. This swine flu will keep on coming back until the body's immune system is broken down. I often called this swine flu that keeps coming back a ping pong virus, assuming you are strong enough to fight it off, but in my case, it has always been the lysine. People don't normally think that there IS an amino acid that reduces the fever from a flu using the swine flu. Well lysine is it. I won't use the paracetamol because it kills the liver. Lysine is an amino acid necessary for your immune system. Zinc acetate or zinc gluconate is a nice addiion, but it's not the major remedy to get rid of the swine flu. The high risk group will be people above 40 and children less than age of 10, roughly speaking.

8. MMS cured the swine flu.

I personally know of a seller of MMS promoting it's use in swine flu. In general, it won't work. It may help a little, but it will come back. It won't work as well as lysine. As a side note, he now used lysine as a swine flu preventive. Of course, he made significant investment in MMS and he's isn't going to promote lysine use anytime soon. It's already a good income earner for him. MMS basically is free chlorine when it is activated. As proof, just buy the Potassium Iodide starch paper test to test for presence of free chlorine. It will turn dark brown in an activated solution of MMS. So people on MMS HAS to take potassium iodide as the free chlorine from MMS drives ot iodine..

9. Wearing the mask will protect against swine flu.

Nearly 90% of the flu is caught by the hand. Using hands to eat food or fingers in mouth, eyes and nose is the easiest way to get the flu. A flu virus can last 1 hours on the hand and on hard dry surfaces about 2 hours. The method of disinfection I used is a 1% hydrogen peroxide, vinegar, or both mixtures together, which is called peracetic acid. In China during the SARS outbreak, the Chinese stopped the epidemic with vinegar. In fact it was so popular that the vinegar prices for one bottle went as high as $100 per bottle. It therefore makes sense to wash your hands before eating and avoid touching mouth, eyes and ears. It helps to carry a weak 1% H2O2 with you or at least a bottle of vinegar, although the smell isn't so good with the vinegar. Clove oil is another one that kills the flu too and can be used as antiseptic as it is also a good antiviral, although the smell of clove can also be strong too.

10. The Swine flu scare is not real.

It is real and the numbers are much larger then what authorities say. However the real scare is to spread it and for people to get vaccinated and then it gets deadly. It eats up the lungs over long term flu. I am as yet trying to fine a cure to restore lungs after they have been eaten away by the flu. What I am currently looking is the lysine, methylene blue and the Ganmaoling chinese herbal preparations.

There is an article below that has some grain of truth, not completely, but my own posting has the same problem, but I am trying very hard!

Ted

http://health.yahoo.com/news/afp/healthfluworld_20090713200551.html

I have posted here before, but I want this post to remain anonymous.

It looks as though here in the UK vaccinations will be made available for everyone in the very near future, and it is looking as though it will be mandatory for all health care workers.

I do not want the vaccination, but neither do I want to lose my job. If you have any suggestions for minimising the effects of the vaccination or preventative measures that can be taken before, during or after the vaccination, I would be so very grateful if you could share them with us all at Earth Clinic. I'm guessing that this might also be useful to others in the same position.

My best wishes and thanks to you for all that you do.

There exists a problem during the 24 hour schedule on the day of vaccinations to take an hourly dose during sleep for some people, and hence more dose is required. A minimum dose I believe is 500 mg x 8, or 4000 mg of lysine before sleep, with plenty of water. Cilantro is taken during the vaccination day and after for one day. Allowing the body to get rid of the mercury and other heavy metals for the next day or two. That means the cilantro is taken about 1/4 cup for two days. Then followed by no cilantro for two more days. The lysine is taken for at least a week, but at less frequency.

I have to report that most people who had severe swine flu AFTER the vaccination that only an hourly dose of lysine for 24 hours of about 600-1000 mg is necessary I believe since they responded very well. For those who don't get swine flu AFTER vaccination a preventive dose is required as mentioned in the above so a more flexible schedule is possible.

I have also found most vaccinations kills the body's immune system by shrinking the thymus. It is therefore is helpful that potassium iodide 2-10 mg is taken to help support the immune system at the very least.

The shrinking of thymus after vaccination followed by a shortened lifespan is a well known during my studies in microbiology but is somewhat missing in the present educational system. At least during my student days there were no such thing as the use of live viruses in vaccinations. They were all dead proteins viruses so that the white blood cells or immune system can look at their signature patterns without the possible weakened virus suddenly got it's vitality back once it sees greener pastures in a human blood, after leaving the vaccination preservative of course.

In fact there was homeopathic vaccinations that seems to make outstanding vaccination because there is NO live viruses to begin with. It's not even needed to be stored in formaldehyde and thimersol added to the vaccination either. I wonder what happened to all those safe vaccinations, which by the way can also be taken orally and does not require injections.

Here are some other information that is not well known by most of the public and media mainstream:

There was a large scale study at Melbourne's Swinburn University in Austrailia in 2004. They found homeopathic immunization had 90% effectiveness against epidemic childhood disease which is same or better than conventional medicine, but without the neurotoxic mercury (thimerosal -methyl mercury) or formadelhyde. From the 12 year study and comparing with conventional immunization and two other immunization, they found that homeopathic had the lowest chronic health problems. The sickest of ALL GROUPS were the conventional vaccination group.

The record of homeopathic immunization are impressive, BUT NOT conventional vaccinations here are some information:

Hospital staff on homeopathic immunization at London Homeopathic Hospital remained disease free during three year period where they were exposed to diphtheria.

An Indian study found that 6.5% immunized homeopathically had the influenza compared to 20% who were not using it. Also the Indian government were prescribing homeopathic Belladonna, in the middle of the Japanese encephalitis and rapid decline in fatalities followed. Hence, I believe (Ted) that Belladona homeopathic remedy might also be used as a potential preventive for the swine flu. Actually for me, I can't get belladonna, so I guess lysine will do for now, as it is consistent with the cure anyway, only that it just has to be take hourly. It also comes back to re-infect you about 3 times in total, before it cures the person of swine flu.

The poliomyelitis epidemic in Buenos Aires, those using the homeopathic Lathyrus sativus to over 40,000 people, not one had the polio, even with repeated exposure.

Smallpox epidemic in Iowa showed 2806 people were protected homeopathically and 97.5% remain free from the disease.
Two meningococcal studies in Brazil 1974 and 1998 had 114,000 homeopathic immunization that had over 91% protection against the meningococcal disease. The Brazilian government funded the project.

A Cuban medical resarcher stopped the annual epidemic of Leptospirosis, which is commonly epidemic here in Thailand with just a homeopathic immunization. About 2,500,000 people immunized no lives lost, and was amazingly cost effective.

Interestingly homeopathic immunization also works very well on cows, animals and dogs.

So if worse got to worse, I think a homeopathic remedy can be prepared with just vodka, blood of a diseased person, and succussing to 6 C. There are proper procedures of sterilization in homeopathic preparations of disease tissues, or samples, that they called nosodes, that are sterilized at 133 degrees Celsius for an hour or two, in a pressure cooker, before homeopathic preparations are made using 1 drop of the sample, plus voda (for example) of 99 drops, and it is shaken say 40-60 times and then one drop is taken from that and the steps are repeated, and done for a total of 6 times, or 6 C. The drops is then put on a lactose sugar tablets and is taken say, every two hours, orally.

Ted

At this point prevention as someone said is key. I found that buckwheat leaf and seed has been very good protection from past flu seasons for me. I will try what Ted recommends but I am going to keep the H2O2 in the ready.

The pandemic I believe started last year, but it was not out in the news and the authorities ignored it. It's probably a similar 2009 virus I mentioned or posted before. I have since improved the remedy as newer information came from their source. It started last year and the remedy was using just the lysine and baking soda. However that same form somehow have mutated so I have to make some changes by adding the BHT.

Anyway, if you just check many of the strange new virus. It first appeared near Fort Dix, a military base for the Swine flu. Strangely enough, Lyme disease was near the U.S. military facility that does this sort of research, n the same area. New Jersey.

I think pandemic been ignored since last year and somehow it has mutated further. So I don't know what's a pandemic once it has reached the mass media.

I personally think all these H1N1 had their origins from the 1918 pandemic and they have a couple of years ago got a nearly complete DNA sequences from dead corpses to actually create these virus. Although it will be a matter of time before the lab comes with a very deadly 1918 viruses. Lysine amino acid in general seems to be effective against these class of H1N1 form. But then' that's just my opinion as I am quite isolated in general.

I'm sure my opinion isn't that popular, but at least it works for me so far in getting the remedies on the table. However the commercially endorsed tamiflu for example don't seem to work. But that's just my extremely limited experience.

Ted

SARS was easy, it was resistant against weakly alkaline condition, but in acid condition it dies. So the Hong Kong authorities used ascorbic acid vitamin C, while the Chinese authorities used vinegar as an aerosol or their use to stop the spread. It was so popular that vinegar prices went as high as $100 dollars a bottle - that's dollars. As to other bird flu virus cousing happening a couple of years back the health authorities haven't found it yet, they merely quarantined them, but didn't bother to look for the remedies. I believe one farmer in Thailand did found some sort of treatment, using a local Thai herb that included Andrographis paniculata Burm.f - (in Thai is pronounced Fa Talay Jon). One interesting thing is the media seemed to have ignored these key facts. Personally I believe the pandemic started last year near the end of 2008, it was only April 2009. that this one is a somewhat more resistant strain and I had to add the BHT. Mind you, my conspiracy theories on bioweapons seems to help find remedies faster, whether that theory is right or wrong, it seems to do well for me.

Again my opinion is not a popular one, then on the other hand I simply don't have time for popularity contest. I just needed the remedies to stop them. Anyway I am sure other people have better remedies then me also.

Hello Robin,

If what I read in my newspaper is true, we aren't just dealing with swine flu here but a never-before-seen combination of swine, avian and human flu, so obviously someone has been doing some genetic engineering again. It isn't likely that viruses that have lived separately all these years have suddenly started inbreeding on their own. Since all three of these are viruses, it probably won't be a bad idea to have lots of L-lysine and Vitamin C on hand. If it isn't too late to get it you might also think colloidal silver and/or MMS. Good luck!

Nutrition. Watch what you put in your mouth/body.

Hygiene. Watch what you apply to the body.

Environment. Watch what you use around your house.

The BIG SECRET IS: Keep your Immune System Healthy

There is NO MAGIC BULLET! Or pill.

My partner and I came to the conclusion that the reason behind it coming out now, when the flu season is pretty much behind us is because too much stock pile of tamiflu (=$$$) and a deterrent of the public focus on the governments bailout fraud.

However one question evades me that you might be able to answer. Why is this strain of the flu not showing as severe in the United States than it is in Mexico? Any insight to this would be very much appreciated, Thank you, Peace, Rena.

Seems to be spreading far & wide in USA already. Don't be surprised if we suddenly get a mandate for all of us to get a flu shot. In one word "DON'T". I was looking in EC last night and I couldn't help but think that a lot of those corresponding just used good old common sense home (or EC) remedies instead of going to a doctor. Looks like a lot of them were having flu symptoms and using their heads to get over it. The flu season was supposedly over at the times they were writing in. If it wasn't for the squelching the news in the USA re the flu vaccine in Europe, I wouldn't be quite so concerned. But at least EC'ers must have the CDC and others behind this scratching their heads trying to figure out why flu isn't killing people here like it is in Mexico.

The only reason I can see for squelching the news about the error in accidently shipping the virus instead of the vaccine is they didn't want everyone to get suspicious regarding the flu vaccine before they got around to getting everyone here to take the flu shots!

I must say that I am ready to join the tea party'ers who were carrying those posters saying "I love my country, but I fear our government"!!! At this point, the only government I am likely to not fear is the one that had the knowledge to test the flu vaccines on some 4 leggeds and found that it killed them all!

Seems that Mexico has many more cases than we do and a high mortality rate! I just can't convince myself that these different organisms that have been remaining separate all these years have suddenly started cross breeding. It smells more like somebody has been doing some genetic engineering with the different ones in a laboratory.

Do you think latest flu fiasco might be the reason the pharmaceutical companys had started refusing to make the vaccines, until the government said it was passing a law saying the companies could not be sued by ones who thought they or their children were injured by the vaccines, but the federal government would establish a fund to take care of them? Seems to me that instead of money being the root of evil, greed or the love of money is the real root of evil.

Robin