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Researchers are finding more SNPs that induce increased iron uptake. It's essential and used to be more scarce. Now it's everywhere, and excessive. Many people still appear to be anemic, but not for lack of iron, it's actually iron dyshomeostasis.
My family history is : Mother died of cirrhosis, though she didn't drink much. Father, like Mother was hyperpigmented.
He was often ill and with stiff joints, with heart disease. Brother and Sister died from heart arrhythmia.
We all had fatigue except Mom.
I had an iron panel 6 yrs. ago, and iron overload was indicated. I've been wary of iron since the '80's, because I read it was a growth factor for cancer. I was surprised to see it elevated.
My good news is that iron regulation can help others, possibly, manage their own overload or anemia. The differences are that some substances regulate iron, and some chelate or lower uptake.
-Copper glycinate is my number one supplement for iron regulation. Most of what we know about it is that is enhances iron uptake, but it also regulates it, high or low.
I take a 2.5 mg. of copper glycinate daily. I've tried less, but feel worse.
Many Hemochromatosis sited and even researchers malign copper, stating that it only increases iron uptake, and is toxic. There are also researchers who've shown that copper enzymes will balance iron stores. It works for me.
-The B vitamins are involved with iron homeostasis. Their enzymes regulate it, as it will accumulate without them.
-Active vitamin A also regulates iron. It's necessary for ceruloplasmin formation, along with copper. Ceruloplasmin is an antimicrobial, antinflammatory, etc. protein that regulates iron.
-Lactoferrin is an iron binding protein that is involved with iron regulation, high or low. I take an apo-lactoferrin, without iron for its chelation properties. I take it off and on
-Zinc is essential, and has an antagonistic relationship to iron. Too much zinc can inhibit iron uptake. I take 5-7mgs. daily.
- Calcium inhibits iron uptake, both heme. and nonheme. if taken with iron foods and in higher quantities. Disturbed iron metabolism can in turn disturb calcium balance. I take calcium throughout the day for a total of 1,300 mgs., food and supps.
Coffee, Tea inhibit iron uptake. R- lipoic acid chelates iron. Wheatgrass has been shown to chelate iron. I don't know about cabbage, but I believe these folks. Curcumin in turmeric chelates iron.
I do better with a lower animal foods diet, but still have them.
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So we went to Sprouts and bought some micro-organisms-six billion of them (probiotics) by a company that begins with a Y.
In a month the iron levels were normal. It was just a hunch but seemed to work. Bacteria eats iron.
Later I read a book called “Survival of the Sickest”. There is a good chapter about why this condition is genetic.
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Hemochromatosis is a condition of iron overload that causes various health conditions including joint pain. If DE chelates iron it may explain why conditions such as joint pain may be relieved by DE. Someone with Hemochromatosis may try the DE and let us know if it is effective.
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Raw Cabbage
Did you eat the cabbage with your meals or in between meals? Did you avoid high iron foods as well? Lentils, beef, nuts, molasses? How much cabbage did you ate and how often?
Thank you!
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"Actually I did cure one case of hemochromatosis last year, and did not record the data since I am not allowed to treat these conditions, and have since forgotten the man I cured, but he was so happy he never came back! The treatment time took him about 1 month. And yes he did get weekly blood letting that he got so sick of it.
But from recollections, it was caused by extremely fatty liver from fruit intake (fructose), alcohol (beer, wine), vegetable oil intake (fried foods, olive oil, etc.) and taking of shellfish which are also high in copper, which makes it worse. In fact he loves alcohol, fruits and shellfish. So the focus is on the liver, which requires only granulated lecithin as a natural remedy, one tablespoon once or twice a day; selenium yeast (prevents cirrhosis); and N acetyl Cysteine 250 mg three to four times a day. You have to understand that the major organ I know of that gets rid of iron is the liver!
Once the liver cirrhosis is treated with the above supplements hemochromatosis is prevented. There might be specific conditions that are different such as getting your sodium/potassium balance. The alkalizing remedy mentioned in my ebook is essential, as these people do have acidic blood. Certain zinc deficiencies can be indicated also, and absolutely no oils especially vegetable oils (except for coconut oil), honey of any kind, fructose from fruits, or fried foods including stir fried. These cause hemochromatosis to be worse or a lesser condition to become hemochromatosis. I think there are many cures out there, but authorities kind of prevent these cures from being out in the public.
Obviously you can't eat fruits as it causes fatty liver buildup as much as in an alcoholic given the same intake, but without the buzz in alcohol."
Source: https://ted.earthclinic.com/cures/hemochromatosis.html
I would also add the following supplements to your protocol as well: "R" type Alpha Lipoic acid(300mgs twice a day), Milk Thistle (500mgs twice a day) and Selenium(200mcgs twice a day). All these supplements should be taken with meals. This protocol is part of Dr Burt Berkson's Triple Anti-oxidant Therapy, which he has used to cure pancreatic cancer, liver cirrhosis and liver cancer.
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Bangkok, Thailand
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Actually I did cure one case of hemochromatosis last year, and did not record the data since I am not allowed to treat these conditions, and have since forgotten the man I cured, but he was so happy he never came back! The treatment time took him about 1 month. And yes he did get weekly blood letting that he got so sick of it.
But from recollections, it was caused by extremely fatty liver from fruit intake (fructose), alcohol (beer, wine), vegetable oil intake (fried foods, olive oil, etc.) and taking of shellfish which are also high in copper, which makes it worse. In fact he loves alcohol, fruits and shellfish. So the focus is on the liver, which requires only granulated lecithin as a natural remedy, one tablespoon once or twice a day; selenium yeast (prevents cirrhosis); and N acetyl Cysteine 250 mg three to four times a day. You have to understand that the major organ I know of that gets rid of iron is the liver!
Once the liver cirrhosis is treated with the above supplements hemochromatosis is prevented. There might be specific conditions that are different such as getting your sodium/potassium balance. The alkalizing remedy mentioned in my ebook is essential, as these people do have acidic blood. Certain zinc deficiencies can be indicated also, and absolutely no oils especially vegetable oils (except for coconut oil), honey of any kind, fructose from fruits, or fried foods including stir fried. These cause hemochromatosis to be worse or a lesser condition to become hemochromatosis. I think there are many cures out there, but authorities kind of prevent these cures from being out in the public.
Obviously you can't eat fruits as it causes fatty liver buildup as much as in an alcoholic given the same intake, but without the buzz in alcohol.
Ted
Reply Replied by Glam
Nyc, Usa
03/13/2016
Hi Ted,
How confusing: you state absolutely NO fruits or honey and yet, all of the guidelines for a healthy diet for hemochromatosis suggests fruit and lots of it.Am I correct to understand that your recommendations are related to the man's cirrhosis, and that is the cause for your recommendation on fruit?
Thank you.
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I've read this and I have hemochromatosis. I have been doing 2 blood lettings per week for at least two months. My ferritin level is bouncing from 1700 to 1325. My levels are very inconsistent. Problem is, my hematocrit level is getting almost too low. I like your comments and will try these remedies. Thanks for the information. If you have anyone info I'd like to hear. No one seems to care about this disease.
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My wife's results for changes from February 12th, 2018 to March 19th, 2018...
- % of Saturation dropped from 51% to 28% (45% drop)
- Total Iron Binding Capacity remained at 317 mcg/dL
- Total Serum Iron dropped from 162 mcg/dL to 88 mcg/dL (45.7% drop)
- Ferritin dropped from 62 ng/mL to 53 ng/mL (14.5% drop)
My results for changes from February 12th, 2018 to March 19th, 2018...
- % of Saturation dropped from 37% to 22% (40.5% drop)
- Total Iron Binding Capacity dropped from 314 to 295 mcg/dL
PLEASE NOTE: WE HAVE NEVER DONE PHLEBOTOMY OR DONATED BLOOD.
What did we do?
For the past 4 weeks we each took 3 capsules of IP6 twice a day on an empty stomach, usually mid afternoon and again during the night when we get up to answer nature's call. We took 3 capsules instead of 2 because the supplements we have were beyond their expiration date (Nov 2014), so we thought they might have been lacking in potency. I guess, maybe not.
There is one other thing we have been doing but I have no way of knowing if it had any bearing on the results. We have been using an LED/near infrared light twice a day for 20 minutes over the area where our livers would be located. Whether this had any effect or not is undetermined. The light is a Redjuvenator #3
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How much was ur ferritin and blood iron levels before it came down to 30? In how much time did came down to 30?
How much cabbage you ate/eat per day to achieve that result? Do you sill eat the same amount as during the time it was high?
In what forms do u consume the cabbage?(its is white or red cabbage u use(d)?
Thank you very much
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Blood donor organizations will not allow a person with hemochromatosis to donate as it is unusable to others. Doctors instead prescribe therapeutic phlebotomies. In which the blood is destroyed.
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After doing a LOT of research, I found that Wheat Grass is an iron chelator. So I began making a smoothie every morning with 1-2 scoops of organic Wheat Grass juice powder and a pea protein smoothie mix. And the numbers began coming down. Added to that, I began treatments 2-3 times a month with an acupuncturist who added two formulas she had discovered work well for this disorder... 1) Tao Hong Si Wu Tang and 2) Zuo Gui Wan. The wheatgrass plus the herbs... led to my numbers coming down over a 3-4 month period... to close to 300 (from 1800! ). And in the last six months, I have been in "normal" zone. And feel great!
And after lots of research, I disagree about no vit "C". Just don't take it within 3 hours of eating, so it doesn't add to the iron uptake from the food you eat. So I take mine before I go to bed, along with Magnesium and D3. Also take methyl B vitamins in the morning to support the liver.
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Some of you may notice I posted a question about this over a month ago and did not receive any replies.
Anyway, I post this hoping that it will really help others.
I was diagnosed with Hemachromatosis (non-hereditary) due to too many blood transfusions....and the blood transfusions were given years ago due to a mis-diagnosis.
So to get to the point, yes....I decided to try the cabbage to see if it would work. I ate 1/2 to 1 cup of raw cabbage a day (mostly in a vegan sandwich, and I do not eat much cooked food). I stayed consistent each day though.
You be the judge. My ferritin level in 1 month went from ...2000 to .....1596 in 3 weeks. I kid you not, and thank goodness this is without any phlebotomies. The nurses could not get my veins anymore, so I will keep on going. The doctors are scratching their heads right about now...lol. So please try it and tell me. I hope you get results too. ;-)
Well wishes to you all.
Ip6
Probiotics
Could you please show documentation on bacteria eating iron. Is it good bacteria (probiotics)?
Thank you
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Did you ever try the cabbage therapy? If so, did it work for you? Thanks
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I'd get a second opinion. :)
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Just wondering what brand of IP6 you find most effective? Thank you!
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The most effective treatment for hemochromatosis is to reduce iron in the body by phlebotomy (withdrawal of blood from the arm veins). The Ayurvedic treatment for hemochromatosis is aimed at removing the excess iron from the body, preventing excessive iron absorption, treating the symptoms and preventing complications. High iron absorption from the intestines is prevented using medicines like Kutaj-Parpati, Panchamrut-Parpati, Suvarna-Parpati, Sukshma-Triphala, Triphala (Three Fruits), Arogya-Vardhini, Bilva-Avaleha, Psyllium (Plantago Ovata), Gandharva-Haritaki, Kutki (Picrorrhiza Kurroa), Abhrak-Bhasma, Praval-Panchamrut and Trivang-Bhasma. Iron Conception (Ferromagnetic Cancer Theory): CANCER is the generic term used to describe a group of disorders caused by an uncontrolled multiplication of cells; any cancer should be interpreted as intracellular superpara-ferri-ferromagnetic infection; intracellular molecules FeO;Fe2O3;Fe3O4 are the main 'creators' of intracellular superpara-, ferri- and ferromagnetic nanoparticles; any cancer can attack patients with/without iron overload and patients with iron-deficiency anemia.
Cancer researchers can use Ayurvedic treatment for hemochromatosis as Ayurvedic treatment for cancer because any cancer is a subtle iron disease. http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/166455.php ; https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/iron-overload.html ; Vadim Shapoval
Blood Donation
One word of evident caution: To give blood in order to primarily "feel good" is not exactly the right attitude. We need to remember that someone might NOT "feel good" if we know we cannot make a donation at some point. I'm sure everyone understands this.
I've read, a long time ago, that woman, because of their menstruations, are in someway "giving blood" getting rid of excess iron without knowing it. After their menopause, most of their symptoms of "bad feelings" "could" be related to not "giving blood" anymore. So, maybe, if they can, they should go to give blood every 90 days and iron. It could help.
For the same reason, especially men, if possible, we should consider giving blood every 90 days. There is absolutely no side effect, no dependence and no harm except for that little needle pinch!
But If anyone knows to be lacking iron, or having any other health issue, discuss this clearly with the nurse before making a donation. To give blood is not always a good thing in some cases.
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You may have hemochromatosis... Get checked please as this is an inherited problem that is easily treated with giving blood... Any one want further info on hep-c and iron, "Google" "Rousch hepatitis C" and read an amazing article about hepatitis c. This one will make you think...
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Anyone of Celtic ancestry should have their ferritin levels checked in case they have the iron storage disease called hereditary hemochromatosis. This condition causes much misery and limited life span from such things as liver cancer, heart disease, stroke, diabetes2, arthritis and other health conditions. Males are affected sooner than females whose iron levels are reduced by their menses and childbirth. After menopause they soon catch up (which is why their rate for heart disease increases then). Statistics show that 0.5% to 1.5% of the population (depending on racial mix) can have the gene for this disorder. It runs in families and members who do not have the condition are likely carriers of the gene. We have all heard the stories of a man who died of cirhossis of the liver in spite of being an avowed tee-totaller, and the mourners at the funeral whispering how he must have been a secret drinker to have had such a disease!! Not so, poor man was a victim no doubt of hemochromatosis and the massive amount of iron stored in his liver.
