Morgellons Remedies

Morgellons Commentary

Posted by Kristi (Fairfield, Maine) on 03/28/2011

Well I've been feeling pretty down, lately, feeling trapped, unable to find sollutions to some of my life's agonizing difficulties, all surrounding this morgellons situation. I was thinking I might just give up... I knew I couldn't, because of my son, but SO depressed and tired, and feeling hopeless and helpless, nonetheless.

I was washing dishes and praying, simoultaneously, and some good thoughts came back to me, so I wrote them down, and now I would like to post what I wrote, hoping it can be a strength and a help to those fellow suffers of this condition. I have always believed that "everything happens for a reason", even though usually, one cannot see what it is until, in this case, the crisis passes. I've also always believed that life is one big school, and the purpose of it is to learn and become the best - the most true manifestation of our spirit/soul as we can become.

Here is my "epiphany" - my current thoughts and feelings, and what I will use to help me get through this, coming out the other side a stronger and wiser human being:

WHAT IS THIS EXPERIENCE TEACHING ME?

* To take excellent care of my body

* To (choose to) calm my mind (rather than lose it)

*To truly value my life - to fight for ME

*To have faith

WHEN I AM BETTER, I WILL HAVE LEARNED:

* To appreciate every moment of life and health

* To be stronger than I thought possible

* To not only ask God for help, but to praise and thank Him every day for my life

* To recognize, learn from, and appreciate the lessons of life

* To have true empathy for all who are suffering

* That I need to take an active role in restoring and protecting nature

* To seek out people to inspire and help

I am a whole new person today. I am still deep in the physical and sometimes psychological trenches of this unfortunate dis-ease, yet I now feel Divine power behind me, before me, within me. I will use this precious gift to restore my health and well-being. I am most grateful for this new wisdom, and I feel lighter, and I now have the faith to carry on.

I hope sharing this gives strength, hope, courage, joy and perseverance to all those walking THROUGH this dark and thorned path with me.

lOVE AND PEACE AND HEALTH TO ALL!

Kristi

Vitamin C, B5, and Magnets

Posted by Steve (San Deigo, Ca) on 04/08/2010
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Hi guys you get morgellons disease from having a weak immune system so naturally to get rid of all you have to do is boost up your immune system to cure youe self from it. Vitamin C every hour for 2-3 days also B5 4 times a day this is what cured me. I want to warn you about drinking to much water you can get water poisioning mix it up. Magnets are a life saver they pull the static electricity out of your body and the bugs stop biting you if you have enouigh magnets. I just place magnets in sweat bands on my limbs and the bugs dont move as much. You basically have to find what is causing you to have weak immune system and boost your immune system up. High levels of static electricity kills your immune system its called emf, the bugs feed off static electricity. Yea I cured myself from this disease...

Ivermectin

Posted by Mac (Des Moines, Iowa) on 12/30/2009
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WORKED TEMPORARILY

Morgellons Cure

I had Morgellons for about 16 years and visited many doctors who all stated that I had Ekbom Syndrome "Delusory parasitosis, a belief that one's body is infested by invisible bugs." Funny thing is none of the doctors took the time to even look at my skin or take a biopsy. My latest Doctor gave me the same diagnosis but provided me with a prescription for Ivermectin and explained that it is what they use in Dogs for Heart Worm and for humans with River Blindness also known as Onchocerciasis. I was Morgellons free within a week of taking the medication but it did take 6 weeks or so till the areas healed where the bugs died under my skin and eventually came out as small pimples over many parts of my body. I had several people comment on how smooth my back felt during that time as my back has been rough with small bumps for many years. All was well for 6 months till my daughter moved back into my house with the family dog. It is almost as if I have caught it again from either the dog or my daughter who has a visible skin condition all over her body even worse than I had with the disease. Hard part about this is she does not believe that she has Morgellons and refuses to bring this up to a doctor. I guess if you treat one you must treat all at the same time including pets or you will catch it right back.

Garlic, Grape Seed Oil

Posted by Paul (Los Angeles, Ca) on 11/07/2009
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first of all thank you to this site. As a sufferer of Morgellons for 20 plus years I am truly greatful to the internet for all the knowledge we inflicted people are going through who have this disease and the hope we are now being given by all of us taking one step at a time in trial and error usage of anything and everything on this planet that may be able to cure us one day, which is more that I can say for the medical community making us feel like idiots because of their headstrong view points. I often wonder how these morans got their diplomas, perhaps in a raffle.

The dermotologist and Parasitologist community are the worst for being of any helpto a plight they cannot see clearly or understand. To them if it does not exist in their medical books then you are crazy, all I can say is they sais the same about AIDS and I have seen many of these people in 20 years and only 1 tropical medicine doctor cared enough to make the effort to try and help even thought she did not understand this either. Thanks to youtube and wedsites like this we are begining to be believed and make a difference. Anyway enough of all my hurt and pain now comes the good stuff.

In my fight to rid myself of the entity I have nearly killed myself by taking animal medications and knocking my poor skin to shreads by taking harsh treatments which may work temporarily but of course these things come right on back in the next hatching period. I believe the cure is far more simple that this and its staring us in the face and is not meant to hurt us in the process.

This is what is helping me greatly. A combination of two treatments. 1/ Garlic not just to be eaten and 2/ Pure Grape seed oil. Method: buy 5 or 6 cloves of garlic about a $1.00, then hopefully you have a juicer because you are going to juice the garlic not eat the garlic. You will get a little juice from each whole clove but not much. Juice all cloves and you will have a small bottle full. Buy a small 2oz bottle that has a dropper in it. The Morgellons entity seems to be active most at night or stirred up by heat. My main problem area is with my scalp and facial areas, so I run hot water on my scalp at night to disturb the worms and bring them to the surface and in an hour or two I am crawling all over my scalp and face with the movement sensation and on scraping the skin with an instument, under ths skin scrapings are the worm string hair like objects and black oval shaped objects. Ok, apply the garlic liquid via the dropper all over the skin on the scalp and face. It will burn like hell for a bit but remember what you are burning so its ok, nothing can withstand the fire of sulfur. The liquid is very potent when juiced. (DO NOT DRINK THE LIQUID) because it will kill you or make you very sorry you did, be carefull also not to get it in your eyes. Ok, after about 30 minutes or so this amazing miracle of nature will change its consistancy and dry as hard as a rock making you hair rock hard, nothing on the surface can move, (just like Morgellons sticks to your skin by producing a substance that protects itself and at the same time sealing itself through the substance to your skin so the worm can start burying into the skin and reach the hair folicle which I believe is where it lays its eggs thus you skin protects the Morgellons from whatever you are using and the hatching cycle will start all over again. Its a very clever little worm getting your own body to protect its babies along with its own defensive substance) leave the garlic liquid on the skin and hair about 3 hours then rince off with warm water and the miracle consistacy will change back from rock hard to liquid again and easily leave you skin and hair intact. You will have just killed everything that was on your scalp and surface of the skin for that night and the next couple of days. To repair the damage from drying out the skin the next evening you will now pour the Grape Seed oil on the same area scalp and hair and face, or any part of the body that is infected this does several things. 1/ Softens the skin up from the dryness of the garlic liquid and 2/ the worms don't do well in oil especially Grape Seed oil which is also a strong bacteria fighter. The weight of an oil stops them instanly from moving and I believe also kills them from the content of grape seed. Within the next few days you will have more worms coming through the skin from the hatching egg cycle from the hair folicles and the only way to break this cycle is from stopping them from entering your skin to produce babies. So repeat this procedure garlic Liquid one day Grape Seed Oil the next 2 nights tehn go back to the garlic liquid. It will really help the cause but as yet not a 100% cure.

I believe I contracted Morgellons from lying down in my back yard on the grass and that this is a plant based organism or as some believe and man made organism either way its out there and is no figment of anybody's imagination.

I also have tried the skin penetrator solvent DMSO Dimethylsulfoxide by mixing a few drops into the garlic and to try and take the garlic through the skin and penetrate the hair folicle where the eggs are or penetrate the skin of the worm also. I had a few side effects from the DMSO, nothing bad but I stopped using the solvent for the moment.

Thats what I am using after 20 years of trial and error and life ruining hell and I am managing to survive and improve. Until there is a cure you have to manage the problem. the higher the percentage of management the better you will do. We will win the war even if we loose a few battle on tghe way. No doubt about that. Godbless and I hope this can help someone.

thank you Earth Clinic for the opportunity to post this.

Garlic, Grape Seed Oil

Posted by Djpurity (Berkeley, Ca) on 07/21/2010
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I just tried this in a different way because I have ADHD and sometimes just don't read the entire information or instructions! I found some pure grape seed oil used for cooking and pored it on some lesions on my hands and immediately stuff began to come to the surface, mainly colored fuzzy gunk, and black specks, although sometimes they are connected. Then there is the white tunneling strange fungus like thing that goes under the skin and can wrap in spirals around something in the middle - almost like laying eggs or a larvae or who knows. Whatever it is, it is gross, this whole thing is nasty and gross. Well I enjoyed the grape seed oil and well lubricated every possible opening, lesion, sore, cut, or wound, especially on my face. I was able to kill and clear out an unbelievable amount of nasty gunk. I used gloves at first, because those little black specks are like bugs, they bite and will try to burrow back into the skin if exposed. Sometimes at first I tried sterilized tweezers to encourage the long white fungal chains or larvae bodies or worm things whatever they are I have no idea. When they were dying at first you could actually see them try to tunnel away from the grape seed oil. So it is important on the face to have the oil surrounding the hair line, chin, eyes, and mouth to protect it from escaping the face. Also using Sulfur-8 (Sulf-8) hair stuff with sulfur in it also helps protect the hair from getting too many contaminants in it. That and some other ethnic products that contain a lot of natural plant oils, essential oils, etc, which I find that Morgellons do not like oils as a whole as long as they are natural, and they really do not like essential oils (pure ones). Well after the grapeseed, and then trying to get out the dead debris, there was some blood, but a lot of stuff kept coming out. Lots of black specks, tons of them, tons of fuzzballs and then tons of long thick white "roots" that merrily traverse through the epidermis. I checked up on this again and read about the oil of garlic, or garlic specifically, and read I did this out of order; Oh well, it worked beautifully. I have been taking grape seed supplements and garlic oil supplements for about a week now since I had a relapse of symptoms after being cured for 90 days. Sad to see them come back. Well I opened a bunch of tthe garlic oil capsules and then using gloved hands again, rubbed the garlic into the lesions, wounds, afflicted areas, and sure enough even more stuff than before came out like it was a mass death. I was amazed. So much came out, I saw every phase of the life cycles. I just wasn't sure what to do with the dead Morgellons things. . . Leave them in my skin or get them out by pulling or poking or whatever, using oils, other things, a lot of paper towels. I had some charcoal soap I should have used. And dead sea salt soap. But I stuck to these two products. The grapeseed oil and the garlic oil both worked miracles and killed everything in sight. The only problem was all the junk going down the sink and then the thought of well, even if I clean it all out, I am sure I will be contaminated again by morning and infected all over again thanks to something on my clothing or bedding or a backpack or something benign. If only to make this permanent! I have long been a huge fan of using pure plant oils, essential oils, organics, and also taking garlic and grape seed supplements. Garlic just makes sense because it makes us taste funky to whatever is trying to dine on us, like mosquitoes and bugs and such, so why not these buggers?

I say this is a YES it works, but unless you leave the house naked sealed in protective clothing never to use any of your old belongings again and move into a sterile new place, you may have a constant fight ahead, otherwise I think you could very well be cured!

Lyderm Cream

Posted by Leah (Philadelphia, Pa) on 04/22/2013

Hello, I'm not a sufferer but I have been interested in immunological illnesses and researching their treatment with immuno supportive foods, herbs and supplements. Many on here have made the connection between Lyme and Morgellins. It is verly likely you have that type of morgellins and should look at the natural protocols for Lyme on this website.

I'm not a Dr, but know that steroids such as the cream you have and prednisone others are taking can mask symptoms. The reason this is a problem is that it will turn off your immune system and suppress your adrenals. Since Lyme and other forms of Morgellins (all illnesses really) require a functional immune system to beat, you should avoid steroids and start an intensive immuno supportive regime. I have a strong feeling that heavy metal toxicity is involved. You may want to look up some liver detox protocols to start. I personally cycle through taking lugols iodine, apple cider vinegar, diatomaceous earth, b complex, vit a, c, d, magnesium, zinc, omega 3 oil, coconut oil, creatine, melatonin, chlorella, spirulina, chlorophyll, food grade H2O2, and try to eat a very organic, low carb, alkaline diet based on Weston Price principles.

The low body temperature people report for this illness indicates to me a suppressed thyroid. Iodine is the element you need to support thyroid. You can take it as a tincture from lugols or from seaweed such as kelp or from the Peruvian herb called Maca root. As some others have mentioned, inducing a fever is important for fighting invaders. It works for cancer and other hidden viruses so should work for Mogellins too.

Iodine and apple cider vinegar are an old folk remedy to deworm livestock. Diatomaceous earth is an other safe mineral supplement much like betonite clay that due to its silica content kills parasites and other bugs in your guts when you drink a spoonful a day in water.

Vitamin C is crucial for immunity from anything. It is one of the central antioxidants that keeps your detoxification system cycling. The B vitamins especially B12 are also key antioxidants that you need to keep down free radicals. Dr Sarah Myhill in Wales specializes in detoxification to treat chronic fatigue. Her website is great. Very informative and helpful. The reason I mention it is because there is a link between chronic yeast, fungal, bacterial, parasite invasion and a break down in your detoxification system. You need to turn your detox pathways back on. She highly recommends glutathione and other activated vitamins/minerals.

Wishing you all well!

Alcohol and Peroxide, Homeopathy

Posted by Richard (Middletown, Nj Usa) on 09/14/2012

I contracted itchy skin parasites in the mid 90's. The itching, biting, skin eruptions, rashes nearly ruined my life. Fortunately I discovered a diet that I named the King Diet that made life bearable. I published it on the internet and found many other sufferers benefited from the diet as well. In the early part of the new century several words were being thrown about to diagnose what we had. The words were:

Morgellons, Collembola, Spring Tails, Strongyloides stercoralis

Some sufferers claimed that there was no such thing as Morgellons and that we all suffered from Strongyloides stercoralis (a rare nematode). Through communication with hundreds of sufferers I came to realize that while some symptoms are the same for everyone, there are distinct symptoms for each parasite and that we are indeed dealing with three distinct types of skin parasites:

Morgellons
Collembola--also known as spring tails
Strongyloides stercoralis

Personally I had both collembola and Strongyloides stercoralis and am one of the first to sucessfully get my life back to normal again.

Wriggling Fibers

Posted by GertJr (Madison) on 09/19/2021

Peroxide will fizz on just about any surface. Maybe the fibers were not wriggling but moving due to the fizzing? The bubbling action is what you want; lack of fizzing means the peroxide is no good anymore.

Wriggling Fibers

Posted by Cindy (Illinois, USA) on 09/20/2021 533 posts

An understanding of faith and sowing and reaping has never been as important as it is today - right now. We live in an electromagnetic universe. A field of fields where similar fields gather and feed off one another and dissimilar fields drive one another off.

Sowing concern can only reap one thing and that's things to be concerned about. Sowing victimization - same thing.

Modern man is very nearly wholly sociopolitical which is just another word for believing one is dependent upon and scrambling to find some way to control other minds. Minds harvesting other minds. Exactly like zombies.

Everyone has the exact same freedom to participate or not. As they choose, based on their beliefs, and NO one has the freedom to choose for anyone else. Not their politicians, not their neighbors - not even their own children. You simply don't get to do that. Others are their own fields - their own freedom. Period.

It's scary to think that no one can interfere with what others choose to do and try to do but just as you can't control them, nor can they control you. Every harm delivered can only ever hit a willing receptacle.

If you can't believe in or garner any faith in God, use the laws of physics. Not the laws of physics man manufactures and uses to rationalize the "anomalies" created when his sowing and reaping crashes into his beliefs and wishes and mess up his efforts to control reality but, rather, the laws of physics that have been taking care of business - and life - since the beginning.

Healing isn't just about medicine. When you make peace with reality and are awed by and explore its magnificence, your field extends as far as you can see. Everything you see is a reaping of your own sowing. Like a shield around you and those to whom you are similar enough and who are similar enough to you to maintain and cultivate a close proximity. Yes, some are driven off but it's not in any way forced or "aggravated". It's just a natural flow of similar fields flowing toward you and dissimilar fields flowing away from you. Perfectly natural. You don't even have to think about it. All you have to do is consciously recognize and deliberately turn away from your own state of concern. It's the natural way of life and it doesn't take long to fall into step with it. Naturally. That's all it is. Sowing and reaping.

People think emotion is primitive, childish or "unevolved", and I would agree with that, except I don't think it's "less" or that its absence or overwhelmingly harsh nature is in any way "superior". I think it's critical. Yes, it's primitive, childish and "unevolved" but in the same way breathing is "unevolved". It has a purpose. And its purpose is to inform you of the direction in which you're moving so you can change course. Just like birds and bees and sharks and bears. Like all forms of life.

The art of sowing and reaping. Medicine for the whole being. Better than wealth, better than youth, better than physical beauty. Better, even, than sex, drugs and rock-n-roll. No worries - just the daily reaping of awe-inspiring treasures and wonders within your very own world. A world that extends as far as your eyes can see.

Make peace with reality. Make peace with all of everyone's freedom to choose for themselves what they sow - because the freedom of others to sow and reap monsters is the exact same freedom you have, to not.

I've gone as far as I care to go in my exploration of natural medicine so, I'll take this opportunity to wish everyone well, according to their own freedom, their own choices and in their own being.

Multiple Remedies

Posted by CPN (Somewhere) on 10/19/2020

Hello,

I know browsing Earth Clinic can take some time so when I see anything and think I can help, I post again. Orange oil seems to be the main thing that help me get control of these little buggers. Lots of stuff helped, but until I got some orange oil in me they never totally went away.

I really believe that is what got mine under control, you have to be very careful and also avoid sunlight when taking Orange Oil, I start very slow or I try eating orange peeling as well. I started with like one drop of orange oil and worked up. What I thought was scarring must have been them buried in my skin, because all of that started fading away, now almost completely gone. The little white pimples and all gone.

MMS

Posted by Hategmo (Australia ) on 06/01/2017

hi can you please let us know if the mms is still helping. The thing is we all need different things too as we all have different pathogens (of course some of us have the same) but I think it's the pathogens and weak immune system or failing organs (aka I have cirrhosis and that's a massive trigger for getting morgellons cos when you have bad liver you can't filter the pathogens out the blood and it affects the immune system big time and makes you get very sick and itchy skin and severe infections etc I know cirrhosis triggered morgellons. Also it started when I caught ebv and some unknown infections which I still don't know What they are. I have caught so many infections last few years since having bad liver and I have aeromonas attacking my liver and Also ebv attacks my liver too and damage my immune cos it damaged thyriod and lymph system and glands in body as that's what ebv does to you, it attacks the glands and liver and things like that especially if you have bad immune and liver.

I also have chlamydophila pneumoniae and I think that has played a huge role in me having this evil gmo fungal parasite!! It should be illegal to make gmo and how dare they create new organisms as they have no idea what they are making and they have unleashed a plague of hideous parasites that you can never get away from as they are so hard to kill and super hard to keep out of the home.they live on all surfaces as they are in our dust, clothes, sheets, towels, beds, cars you name it...it's in it!! Magnets make me get heaps of black fibres that go really crunchy and super hard like rocks and I think they are dead so I think magnets kill them.i get way more black stuff come out when I use my magnetic pulsar.its a strong electric magnet and works good at drawing them out and kills them I'm sure of it as I can't see them moving when they have been under the magnet when they come out the skin and untreated morgellons as you all would know move at times/ I have some good videos of some moving a lot so no way any one can deny this horrible organism as it's all I've read our planet and anyone who says it is not real is the delusional one as how can you deny what you see in front of you with your own eyes.anyway y'all need to get T3 tested and get some T3 as all of us with morgellons have a hard time staying warm and hair come out etc and thts due to thyriod hormone either lacking or you have trouble absorbing it like I do. I can't even absorb anything these days as the morgellons block all my darn cells and make it impossible for me to absorb anything. I take ginger, chilli, garlic, turmeric, fish oil and many other things to help my body absorb things and to unblock my cells of morgs and pathogens.i will chime in again when I get a reply and leave some more info on what I do to help me manage this crap.

god bless you all who have this horrid infestation

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Amy (Va) on 03/18/2016

If I could I'd have over 75 doctors and multiple labs to sue after 5 years of this plague!

General Feedback

Posted by Hope (Somewhere, Pa) on 08/15/2012

Sam, you will want to research morgellons as I have had to. Don't waste your money on doctors. I've seen 3 and have spent thousands. They will tell you they can't do anything for you or that maybe you are hallucinating or you've lost your mind. I have been using colliodal silver but recently switched to iodine. You may want to get Dr. David Brownstein's book about iodine. I have been taking about 50 mg per day with no side affects. It's only been 1 month so I can't say that it is having an affect on the morgellons, except that almost all of the crawling sensation is gone. It is gone from my eyes. My brain fog is completely gone and my memory is improving dramatically. I am trying to take larger and larger doses as I go along. I am taking the recommended vitamins and minerals and coconut oil. Physically, I feel awesome. I just need to kick this morgellons in the butt. I just think doctors for me were a complete waste of time and money, since I've made more progress without them.

Articles of Interest

Posted by Jane Doe (Palo Alto, California, Usa) on 02/14/2011

Hi. I live in California, and began noticing being bitten on my legs. It was like little pinches. I also got really itchy rashes. I noticed my clothes had little white "dots" that oddly seemed to be in the same spot where I would get "pinched".. I could see a small bite, with a tiny bit of blod where I'd felt it. I tried all sorts of detergents, salt, borax, soaking, boiling, etc. I put some dark blue sweat pants in a clear plastic bag and days later there would be more white dots. I used to try using a fabric shaver to get them off. Finally I looked up "cotton mite" on the net and decided they were bugs coming in from other countries in our textiles... We no longer bleach cotton... so the bugs can survis I guess??? Anyway, I now wear rayon and other synthetic pants.... I had to search high and low for synthetic clothing.. I mean not even the pockets or lining of the waistband.

I also had to start using a really expensive detergent made by Q based solutions, but it does work. I don't know how long I can afford to use their soap. Its so so expensive... for a short while, I wore a fashionable plastic raincoat that looked like a dress, along with some cool shiney rainboots.

I now have lots of synthetic white t shirts I wear underneath things, most of my cotton clothing is gone... can't trust it.

Also, I never ever ever use the dryer anymore. It just seemed to be worse after drying. I got a great drying rack, and its helped a lot, too.

Something is terribly wrong, and we must not be intimidated by people who can't believe it... this is always the pattern for new diseases... HIV folks were initially told they were crazy. It takes a lot of people complaining about the same thing before it taken seriously... Its up to us. What diseases have they cured??? Malaria? nope. Asthma? Nope. Erectile Dysfunction? Yup. Baldness? Yup. Hello????

Nutrition is our friend. So is basic hygene and common sense. I used a colon cleanse that was diatomacious earth, bentonite clay, psyllium, etc. It took some time but it paid off in spades. Each time I would pass something strange in my stool I would get more energy. But I now have a lot of food allergies. I was never allergic to ANYTHING before.....

Here's the scarey part. I was at Trader Joe's grocery a couple days ago buying lavender plants... I read that lavender and rosemary help deter insects... The checkout clerk started telling me how the school sent his kids home because they were itching all over and they think its coming from their new couch. The kids were kept out of school for a week, they got rid of the couch, but the kids still itch all over and have red bites. These people have no money to deal with this problem... No health insurance. How many people have this that are in that situation?

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Laura (Portland, Or) on 07/04/2015

After suffering Morgellons for years, I went to a naturopath who is now treating me for latent chronic Lyme disease. I came to realize that my Morgellons was probably systemic.

It's been about three weeks. I'm seeing some definite improvement. The coating of Morgellons on my skin is becoming much easier to exfoliate off of my skin. Both the naturopath and I agree that Lyme and Morgellons cross paths. I'll try to update if I find this path has cured me totally. So far, so good. I have to say, it was the first time I felt I was being helped instead of ridiculed by the medical community.

Apple Cider Vinegar

Posted by Elaine (Spencer, Indiana, USA) on 02/06/2009
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Morgellons help: I moved from indianapolis to spencer indiana 3 years ago. We never had problems like Morgellons until we moved. I think some how this Morgellons is related to Lyme. Indiana is the capitol of the limestone industry. There are a few limestone Quarys in our area. The fuzz balls and fibers we see in our home and on us resemble those fibers found on lymebusters under jeuvenile Nematomorphus. We use a lot of garlic and vinegar. Before going to bed at night I find great relief after bathing I rub regular cider vinegar directly on by body all over. I have a dollar store spray bottle filled with vinegar and I spray it all around my room and on my bed. I get relief. Vinegar I found out has 93vitamins and minnerals in it. Try to eat garlic as well. I hope they find out what this is soon. I am tired of No Answers. This vinegar spraying works for me. It is not a cure, but I can get a LOT OF RELIEF>

Morgellons Commentary

Posted by Erin (OKC, OK) on 04/08/2009

EJ I share a very similar story. My battle began 3 years ago. I had the itching, skin crawling and bumps. When my daughter began to have the same symptoms I took her to the doctor. First visit he said it was just a rash. On the second visit 2 days later he said he may be scabies and gave me a prescrption for our entire house, including my one year old. It went away for a week or so then came back even stronger. We had our house sprayed for every kind of insect. I made 2 ER trips with the same "your crazy" response. I felt like I was going insane! My one year old began having symptoms so I took her to the doctor. He also said I was crazy. In my long search for a "cure" I have lost custody of my oldest daughter (no one knew what morgellons was at the time) and had major problems in my marriage.(because he didn't have the problem) I am happy to report that hydrogen peroxide (food grade) seems to be making a difference. I have just followed the directions for how much to take. I also do detox baths every day with baking soda, sea salt, and sometimes borax. Iodine seems to help dry them out. I wanted to cry when I read the stories that are posted. Its nice to know I'm not crazy. Thank you all so much!

Alcohol and Peroxide, Homeopathy

Posted by Carol (Raleigh, Nc) on 08/28/2010
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Recently I've mainly used TTO but put peppermint essential oil and lavendar on the skin directly more every day and then top off w/the TTO.... I've also been taking Echinacea & Goldenseal tabs... Great herbal antibiotics... Lavendar and peppermint are known to kill worms... Usually internally... One can take a drop of peppermint with a little water internally too but I'm mostly putting on skin.... I've noticed great improvement with these oils... They are defininately killing off... The smaller parasites first and the larger ones are weakenening... Very happy w/results - the best I've experienced since I met these monsters 4 yrs ago... I'm hopeful this might finish them off... I also take Nat Phos (suppose to work on long worms) and Silica is also good for worms.... I've found a good homeopathic parasite killer tooo from Newton Homeopathics... I think the essential oils are doing most of the work though.... Happy hunting! Try this I think you will get great relief... Particularly if you are new to this disease. I've also cleaned off my face excellently w/ homeopathic waters of graphites and psorinum.... From 30C to 10M... And LM it can be mixed in water and pounded (look online for directions) You can get these remedies at Present Moments online... Psorinum requires homeo RX however. Best of Luck to all of you suffering from.... Do not despair... We will conquer this in spite of the medical industry!

EC: TTO= tea tree oil

Alcohol and Peroxide, Homeopathy

Posted by Anonymous (USA) on 05/02/2012

OMG.... For years I have had these THICK BLACK ROOTLESS "hairs" coming out of my face. Sometimes in specks. It got worse, 3 weeks ago.... 2 weeks ago, I looked up "fibers coming out of face" and for the first time heard of Morgellons. I never really paid attention to it, but have ALL the symptoms listed online.... And started watching as green and red, blue and purple fibers came out. I put olive oil on my face and it really started sending them out, with lesions that will not heal until all the crap works its way out. I thought I had big spider veins on my face that I have had lazered in the past. Now I have 3" black fibers that are twisted up with what looks like a mosquito or some kind of bug, in the middle of them, working their way out. Not spider veins at all! I have many other things that look like weird little alien bugs coming out... In various colors. Did you ever go to sleep.... And wake up and think you are in the twilight zone? And hope to wake up.... But every day is worse.... Like if the twilight zone and groundhog day were mashed together into a 3 week movie? I actually laughed when I stumbled on Morgellons disease..... But it is very real. Everyone out of the very few people I have told about it, said go to the Dr. NO WAY! I see how people have been treated! I have quite a weird collection of things that I've gotten out of my skin..... My husband thought I was nutz until he pulled a few "doubled green hairs" out of my skin! He has seen enough and knows what I am dealing with. WHAT DO I DO???

I am so new to this.... And am really scared. I have weird dots on my eyes.... For a while now. 2 nights ago it felt like something crawling into my eye..... I looked between my lashes and found this weird red aiein looking spider thing still moving. I have felt like something is in my eyes for a long time, but we can never find anything. This crap is freaking me out! HELP!!! I am a very logical and bright person... And am not in any way crazy.

Morgellons Commentary

Posted by Pdiddy (Alexandria, VA) on 09/05/2008

I am surprised at the lack of information and general implied skepticism when describing Morgellons. Perhaps you were meaning to sound unbiased but I as well as others believe it to sound quite the opposite...an unbelievable condition that people conjured up and are diagnosing themselves via the internet...not so, my friend and I hope that you never experience such a horrifying disease.

The fact of the matter is that when a person becomes infected, while one might try their hardest to reject these bizarre progressive symptoms, there is no denying that something is very, very wrong...and then the strange and disturbing journey unfolds right before your eyes that are oddly very similar in nature and description, to what other people are going through - even right down to how many doctors they have been to that are just as baffled by what they are hearing and seeing from their patients. It is very easy to "self-diagnose", once you have these distinct patterns of infection that your body is struggling to battle. For example, not any other illnesses that are in the medical books today, would describe an itchy, crawling sensation, only for you to continually find unwanted and strange 'artifacts' that you had never seen before coming out of the pours of your skin. The samples taken of this infection could not be produced from a person who has Delusional Parasitosis- if there really is such a disease-- especially when they are collectively the same in nature. And this is just one of the symptoms of this very complicated infection.

Furthermore, how and why are all conditions given a name? Names are given to categorize a set of symptoms. From past history, we have all seen how long it takes for the medical establishment to acknowledge a new and rare disease. While many people were suffering a long time with this illness and trying to seek help from medical professionals, no one was really listening. So, from a will to survive and out of frustration and desperation, a collective and intelligent group of sufferers took it upon themselves to compile the similar symptoms of a disease that was of unknown etiology. They became pro-active in hopes of not only finding a cure, but to prevent this from spreading to other unsuspecting people - such as the person who wrote this description of Morgellons. Now, thanks to these people who were "self-diagnosing", we have the CDC studying this, an independent lab researching, as well as a upcoming medical program that will be addressing this pandemic on national television.

Alfalfa

Posted by Menna (Wildomar, CA) on 08/01/2007
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Alfalfa tabs in bath with Sun Laundry Detergent/with color safe bleach for Morgellons. I couldn't believe what all was coming out of my skin. I just did it yesterday, and again this morning. They aren't gone, but incredible results so far. This was done after starting the twice a day baking soda 1/4 tsp in water and Natural Cellular Defense drops for 1 week.

Reader Theories

Posted by Laurie (Sayward, Canada) on 03/22/2007
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Seems we have lots of skin conditions going around....another SILENT EPIDEMIC happening is Morgellons.... The CDC has been warned by the ones infected (NOT the doctors???) something serious was happening to the people and they have done NOTHING to help us....

My husband was infected 13 years ago 1993 the chemical plant he worked for introduced NANO sized microbes into the waste water treatment plant to cleanup the sludge in the waste water.....near Freepport, Texas one of the hot spots for this disease...imagine that!!

There were NO SAFETY PROCEDURES in place for the maintenance/mechanical workers working around these microbes and working on the equipment needed for the open pit digestros and blowers....

After finding out from media information May 2006, we did our own people research and when we located several co-workers from my husband's crew were all sickened with Morgellons symptoms....and quite a list of symptoms I might add....Morgellons symptoms for your review....

http://morgellonsgroup.proboards23.com/index.cgi?board=remedies&action=display&thread=1169680994

Since then my husband being infected from his job site has now infected me and our pets and WE have infected other family members and close contact co-workers and friends....once infected you CAN infect others....this is an infectious disease.

These NANO sized microbes and there were 5-6 different parasites and bacteria MANipulated to do a job.....so we believe there are different varities of Morgellons just depends on what microbes you came into contact with as each batch was designed for that particular sludge in that wastewater plant....so different wastewater treatment plants have different recipes of microbes....and these same microbes have been used for oil and chemical spills and other types of environmental issues and also in pesticides...the real kicker is these NANO sized microbes have been used for 25-30 years now and all I see is disease....disease in humans, pets, wildlife and plants....anthing that comes into contact with these microbes becomes infected....in fact Morgellons is killing our cold blooded animals at an alarming rate.....and has been reported in many pets like cats, dogs, horses and is being considered as a major player in the BEE CRISIS we are experiencing across the country....and is responsible for the disappearance of frogs across the country....and we believe is responsible for the dead zones in our oceans and the cause of much of the mass wildlife deaths recently growing in the past few years....

In one year the number of registered households has risen.....March, 2006 - 1,250-1,200 to 9,592 March, 2007..... this is households.....the number for indiviuals is that much higher.....many many households report the whole family infected including their pets....many still do not know of Morgellons or do and are in denial, or misdiagnosed into other categories depending on symptoms so this count is mild compared to the real count that is out there.....

This disease creates skin rashes and lesions that can spread easily if scratched and opened and take sometimes years to heal....no one is immune from this disease it is reported in people 0-100 years old and in 15 nations and growing.....

This disease takes time and time it has had.....25-30 years of MANipulating microbes (parasites and bacteria) and setting them free across this great land of ours....and now they have had time to reproduce in our environment and once infected you can now infect others....

I suggest you familiarize yourself with a disease that will become a household name very soon....called Morgellons....

http://www.cherokeechas.com/index.htm

I call this the BLUNDER OF THE CENTURY...

This disease is very real and spreading like wildfire....

Diatomaceous Earth

Posted by Charity (faithville, Us) on 03/07/2022

I know copper helps and maybe borax. I hope you recover quickly; I know it's an intense battle. I met someone I prayed for that had it and when I went home, I saw it in the air around me. It's not hard to catch. Another lady said it is in wood and concrete foundations and I just pray whoever set it into action that it all gets collected and deposited on them so they can get the full effect of what they sowed, like covid. I Pray that for chemtrails too. RETURN TO SENDER.

Morgellons Epidemiology of filamentous Biofilm Bacteria (morgellons-research.org)

Boron

Posted by Deborah (MI) on 07/08/2021
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Boron 6-9 mg daily for Morgellons.

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Terri (California) on 09/07/2021
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WARNING!

Morgellons -- This is TERRI and I posted in May. I over-dosed on Ivermectin and ended up with a raging liver...very dangerous. Please remove it from my original post because if you do not have a doctor that understands how much you can take, you can end up with liver damage. You can remove the portion regarding Ivermectin or add this. I think it would be best to remove but you would know best. Thank you!

There is a new Morgellons site and the owner had it for several years and is free of it. Genesallnaturalproducts.com - Diane is wonderful and she can help you! Genes all natural products

There is also Quantum Healing Club. Dr. Sam has Morgellons and she has a radio show. I am now listening to Morgellons frequency on her site and can also be found on youtube. She has wonderful ideas under "resources." I have ordered the Serendipity Cream, CBD cream, and Zeolite. I was fortunate enough to talk to her, but please know her site - read it! - before you ask her a question. I was talking to Tommy and she jumped on the phone.

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Postalcanary (Seattle ) on 09/10/2021

Funny, you didn't mention the ivermectin FIRST. yes, those other things help SOME PEOPLE MANAGE morgellons. But most can't afford to buy all that stuff. The kleen green is expensive. Back to the ivermectin. THATS what's helping u get well bIVERNECTIN AMD FENBENDAZOLE R USED QUITE SUCCESFULLY to treat morgellons. But no matter which u use and whether u work with a doctor or not, it's a long treatment. They r also the best treatments. When I've been dealing with this for long enough, you really won't care if it's natural or not. You just want it to GO THE FK AWAY! Morgellons is related to Lyme. It's a combo of parasites AND a fungal infection. The fungus is ATHELIA ROLFSI. THATS why IVERMECTIN IS HELPING YOU GET BETTER! BUT! Be carful. Ivermectin is good medicine. But it can harm the liver. It's best to be monitored while using it long term. Get your liver enzymes checked monthly or every couple of months. Iver is being used for covid too. Per usual, people use more than they should and get sick and OD. Now because of THOSE IDIOTS it's harder to get it anymore without a prescription. Way to go! Also treatment for parasites can cause HERXING. GOOGLE IT. ☺️ But people and hospitals also often misdiagnosed the herx. Herxing is the die off of parasites. You need to makes sure your pooping daily too. When these parasites die, they release toxins that make u sick. You don't want to reabaorb those. You need to get that out of your body. U can get morgellons a variety of wayS.. Your pets is very common and A moldy house tooo. Bug bites. Gardening. Also if your a gardner get tested for SPOROTHRIX It's soil borne. It's VERY COMMON FOUND WORLD WIDE. Don't believe that it's only in tropical places. Much of the info is out dated. U can get it from cats too. It looks just like morgellons. Weird, there is a test for sporothrix, a fungus. Yet morgellons which looks exactly like it, people r called crazy. There is just WAYYYYYY TO MUCH TO TYPE AND TELL.

Gallium Nitrate

Posted by Agatha Rose (Albuquerque Nm ) on 01/30/2016

Morgellons/Mites: Gallium nitrate works well. Gallium chelates aluminum from the body. You MUST follow the directions and dilute properly before you drink it. Drink lots of water too after taking. Remember that even diluted if you put it topically on hair it will turn orange-red. (You can be in style these days ðŸ˜Š) DILUTED form : go by body weight, then week on, week off sort of schedule..with lots of water drinking. Take zinc supplement as Gallium can reduce zinc. There is a Gallium creme called Gallixa.. great product.

EC: Here's an interesting article on George Eby's site we just found while researching Gallium Nitrate in case anyone is interested.
http://www.george-eby-research.com/html/arthritis.html

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Viverre (California) on 02/05/2016

I wrote the post above. Ive stopped using the lemon mixture because of the smell. Im now spraying my house and car with Miracle II clear Neutralizer mixed with water. I add just a couple drops of orsnge oil to a large spray bottle and spray everything that can get wet. Make sure you super dry things like couch cushions with your hair dryer. Im also cleaning with disinfectant wipes...the kind that pop up. Im using them even on my floor. You have to clean everything...empty drawers, cupboards, etc and clean, spray, clean more. You can spray your skin with the Miracle Ii clear and a tiny bit of orange oil after a shower. My car is doing great but my house has a way to go. You will love how fresh this smells. I have been adding a few drops of orange oil to hair conditioner and leaving it in for awhile. Test small area first....orange oil is strong. If yoir skin can handle a little orange oil, I highly recommend trying this mixture... Miracle II Neutralizer gel mixed with a few drops of orange oil and then massaged into skin and scalp. You will love how this stuff feels. I use small round containers with lids from the travel section of walmart to keep it in and use it often while watching tv. Slowly cover your whole scalp and body., massaging it in.....especially your feet and ankles. Again, use it in small area first to make sure it isnt to strong. Wait for results...nothing works in minutes. Give it a few days. Im still taking the Benadryl at night, the milder Zantac during the day.10 mg of Melatonin at night. My biggest success has been swimming in the ocean. The salt water really clears stuff out. Im just amazed at how much stuff was layered onto my scalp now that its peeling off. Im doing soooo much better. But remember, nothing will work until your environment improves. Clean, clean and more clean.

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Deb (Kansas) on 01/12/2016

I went to sleep 10.31.15 and woke up next morning w/rash all over my head face neck and chest. I was out of town at funeral so went to walkin. There I was given shot of steroid, script for more steroids an antibiotic. I came home thinking I was getting better, but on 11.20.15 went back to PCP. She said scabies. Grossly misdiagnosed. She said make sure you get it down there good. I said it's not "down there" and what about my head because she was only prescribing one tube of the permethrin cream. I knew that wasn't enough because my hair was long. PCP stated I am giving you shampoo for your hair. When I left that office I thought I was getting scabies ridding shampoo for my hair, but no it was steroid shampoo. PCP gave me SEVEN refills. Now you would think she thought whatever I had was bad cause who prescribes seven refills?? Well, three days later I was calling back for more cream and had to BEG for it. I was then referred to first dermatologist. That was a complete waste of time. She said you don't have scabies and didn't offer any other treatment plan or proposal of any kind. I have started going to gym everyday to alternate between hot tub, sauna and steam room. All of these are helping a lot and I am disturbing these mites for sure. Today, I took my waterpik put it on the slowest spray and fill container w/very warm water and peroxide(quit a bit)and sprayed it in my ears. I have asked three different doctors to clean out my clogged ears and they refer me to Walmart for ear cleaning kit. None worked. The spray felt good and it knocked out the white things in my ears. I have started an assault on my body w/water and heat. It is helping a lot especially the sauna because it's 170 degrees in there. I am done w/borax bathes and permethrin creams. I purchased one month gym membership and if it works plan on continuing w/membership. The isolation is almost unbearable. I put makeup on the spots on face and joined bowling team last night. Has anybody thought about suing their doctor for not receiving proper medical help and making you feel like you were crazy?

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Coping Ok (Houston, Texas) on 10/17/2015
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This appears to be working, but most morgellons seems to adapt and force us to change protocol. But This has helped the most for the longest time so I wanted to share it.

Besides eating organic / following alkaline diet / drinking organic greens, avoid sugar, take probiotics, eliminate candida …

We vacuum daily then sprinkle baking soda mixed with a little 4 thieves oil in carpet. Sprinkle it inside pants/shirts/shoes, in bed when sleep (close eyes when adjusting blankets)

for emergency relief: If at restaurant & feel crawlies, use table salt to stop them.

3 times a day rub the following mixture on all skin: mix a few drops of 4 thieves essential oil with carrier oil like almond, avacado, coconut (Not GMO vegetable, corn or canola).

If you get a sore: apply a mixture of magnolia bark oil & liquid stevia. (Stevia makes it stick in place). Magnolia Bark oil can be taken internally in tiny amounts. I add to water. But it can cause respiratory paralysis in rare cases, so don't go crazy with it.

Mix 4 thieves oil in water for spray bottles. I carry small one in purse and use in car. Spray seat, seat belt, under seat, floor board, especially where air circulates.

Use 20 mule team borax in laundry.

in epson salt.

apply oil to hair before bed. wash out in morning.

Research essential oils for interactions before use, Never use straight & never ingest.

Hang in there everyone. It's not easy but it can be controlled enough to live life and hopefully not spread it to those we love.

Multiple Remedies

Posted by Sammie (Las Vegas, NV) on 02/22/2015

I have lots to say about nests, but would like to add: One of the big barriers to patients and drs understanding this is there is no point of reference. The bugs, dont look like bugs, act like them etc. If you google for a picture of the inside of a rubber ball, this is what I think you are describing with the "fibers" etc. This is what the nest looks like inside. All mushed and wound together, the nest (for me) has 2 methods of movement that are painful and obviously felt.

One is that the entire nest will flinch, draw together when threatened. This is much more noticable in old nests, where, the fibers are what I call Piano Wires or Guitar Strings. This adds pain, and makes it really hard to break up the nest, my successes have come through stubborn perseverance, and plenty of pain sorry to say. So hang in there, get as far as you can, and start again later. Keeping the nests moist really really helps.

Some web/fibers/hair are tough to break too, I have had to actually cut a few that would not break! Very carefully, drawing it up with a needle, and using a razor blade to cut only the "wire" on the needle.

The other movement is where they break from the nest to flick on to something else. I have had areas where the crap is trapped, yet continues to try to escape... and it sort of feels like a pulse or repeated tugging in the wound/nest. I have had a coin sized piece held in tweezers and had it flick... God Bless Us!

I have other nest experiences but maybe this helps?

Garlic, MSM

Posted by Dana (Oakland, Ca) on 10/09/2014
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My condition has improved in five days by taking 3000 mg of garlic in pill form three times daily. I've also been taking 2000 mg of msm three times daily. Drinking lots of water, attempting the alkaline diet have helped as well. I'm quite surprised at this progress and wanted to share the information. Five days ago I was suicidal. strange artifacts were falling out of my face and easily rubbed out of my skin with oil after showering. I was terrified to bathe. I didn't want to see all the stuff that would have come out. I was itching like crazy from head to toe. Stuff was coming out of my hair, my nose, my eyes, my butt... It was really freaking me out. I feel like tomorrow I will be brave enough to actually take a bath instead of just showering. So, chins up everyone! Let's hang in there. There is hope :) yay.

Anethole

Posted by Redcairo (Ozarks, Usa) on 11/30/2013

I was looking for what is in star anise, as I bought powdered of it a long time ago as backup in case of a bad flu. I saw it had something called Anethole. When I searched on this I saw this title:

Anethole, a synergist of polygodial against filamentous microorganisms
http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jf00012a040?journalCode=jafcau

wait, what is that? doesn't that sound like -- yes! It is. "filamentous microorganisms" = morgellon's!!

OK so what has anethole?

basil oil
Oil of bitter fennel contains more than 60% anethole
Sweet fennel usually contains more anethole than bitter fennel oil.
Star Anise contains trans-anethole (note: 1 version of a plant called this is edible another is toxic)
Anise (Pimpinella anisum) (not the same thing or even related to star anise) contains anethole
Anethole extracted from basil is available for sale online, used in daily food flavors
Anethole occurs naturally in chickpea seed. Garbanzo beans are also known as chickpeas. commonly sprouted.

Brief ref that got my attention as I was talking about carrageenan and (totally separately) fluid retentention recently (it is in many cream cheese, half&half and creams where I shop):"Anethole inhibited carrageenan-induced edema at doses of 3, 10 and 30 mg/kg from 60 to 240 min after induction."

Anethole seems to be like other plant substances that will kill-bad-things-in-you: super powerful, last resort when immunity can't do it, but able to be overdosed on for sure

It sounds to me like this substance may be a potential for treating morgellon's. I had never heard this before, so I wanted to share it on EarthClinic in case people with that issue search there, just for ref.

Ted's Remedies

Posted by Jen (Virginia, Usa) on 11/03/2013

Ted,

l contracted something like Morgellons as a child, but it wasn't horrible and it goes into remission(hiding) when my skin is pretty clear (no broken skin).

I am 41 now. Over my lifetime I developed a pretty thick scalp. I think many times when I had a perm or colored my hair, my scalp would be slightly burned by the chemicals. I just didn't realize it, the biofilm makes me pretty tolerant to pain.

Anyhow, three years ago I burned my scalp coloring my hair at home. I looked in the mirror and there was quite a significant bald spot on top of my head. I didn't panic and googled chemical burns.

Using the advice I read in a black hair care forum, I added a packet of sweet and low to the conditioner (alkaline due to sacharrin and cream of tarter), finished the process, blew it dry on a cool setting (ionic dryer), and rolled it in ionic curlers. I had to go to work, so I figured I would style around the bald spot and hide it.

When I took the rollers out, my scalp opened/divided like the Red Sea. My missing hair (uncurled of course) poured out of my scalp where it had been rolled in a cocoon and sealed under my skin. It had some cotton/fluff in it.

I thanked God for the "Christmas miracle" went to work and forgot all about it.

Fast forward to now, I hoped I was crazy, but instead it seems I have Morgellons. My biggest problem has been my scalp. I recently suffered another burn trying to treat my scalp. The bald spot is bigger this time. I no longer have the ionic curlers. I can see my hair under the bald spot. I have managed to pull as much as half of it out using a comb, magnets, and neosporin. It is thicker than my hair normally is. There is also hair under the biofilm where Istill have existing air. Problem is, once I stop working on it, almost immediately it gets sucked back into the Death Star of my biofilm scalp.

Help Ted! I am doing the Vitamin C/Salt protocol and stuff is popping off me constantly. I would do Borax, but adding it to my shampoo is how I lost the hair this time. What should I do?

Also, could the reason this stuff responds to magnets and negative ions be because the biofilm is comprised of minerals pulled from our own bodies? Could Morgellons be our own hair sucked under a septic wound to protect us in place of skin? I also get my dogs hair coming out my skin. Gross I know. Perhaps it just lands on the wound (drawn in by static electricity) and becomes part of the Matrix.

Thank you for listening,

Jen

Dietary Changes, Baking Soda

Posted by Lana (Lake Jackson, Tx) on 02/18/2016

Everything u said is probably true but I have seen and watched this organism and try to completely cure it. If u don't get sun rays or tanning bed rays extensively you will not know if it's gone. I have battled this weird crap for 40 years. I have studied it in all forms and researched it until I give up until I break out again. The energy the organism has is searching for moisture and a budding effect in production. For survival it will host on plants or animals. First I believed it was half plant, half animal. Mites, also but I do think in some way it has something to do with flies? Or flies like to eat it? I really want to know before I die because the disease is baffling and has caused me torment through the years. And I can't even guess at the money value!