More sciantific articles on this every month. I would like to hear from others who would give this a try. Also, I would reccomend aestablished company's product like Ajipure or equivalent. Thank you
Hi Tom,
I, too, have muscle damage from using various statins for years, also pushed by my doctor because of my family history. I have been off them for a number of years, but still have leg muscle pain every time I climb up my stairs, ride a bike or try to use an elliptical machine. Just can't do it. Can you tell me specifically what product you take from this seller? I have tried so many things, that I don't want to waste more money on the wrong product. I looked at the manufacturer you mentioned, but not sure about the exact product that helped you. Do you just take the BCAA or do you also take amino acids? Do you take it once/ day?
Thank you for your post. I'm looking forward to trying this.
Hi, Tom. Very informative post thank you and excellent your muscle problems are improved.
I took a short course of rosuvastatin 5 mg for 10 weeks in early 17 then stopped as my muscles (especially the vastus medialis - I'm a cyclist) became very stiff
Unfortunately, despite stopping 16 months ago, the stiffness not only continues but progresses. I have tried every supplement under the sun, except for bcaa's and amino acids, which I shall now try.
What dose do you take and how long was it before you felt better please? Thank you Michael
I took a medical trial with Pitivistatin starting in April 2016. By April 2018 I was in extreme muscle pain, and could not get out of a chair at age 59 without using arm rests to get up. I stopped the statin and now am using Cholestoff to prevent cholesterol.
I am taking CoQ10 Ubiquenol to try to reverse the numbness and dead hand feeling which I believe the statin gave me after one year on it. So far, it appears to be slowly getting better. Any other experiences like this?? My doctor would like me on Provachol (??), thoughts?
HI U GOOD FOLKS DOIN,,,,,,,, just when I think I's about half smart, I watch or read sumpin and go back to zero again. I urge you to listen to this long audio because it has reversed a number of things I would have bet my life on. The reason scientists make an ass out of our medical field is because they have nothing to sell, thus, they just tell the truth. After listening to her, I will saturate my garden with sulphur and take epsom salt baths for the sulfate and not the magnesium.
I also will cut back on my Vit D when the sun is out, and I will stop using a sun block and work on my farm without a shirt. When I reflected on her research it makes total sense because we used to stay in the sun constantly. Her theory that the mother gets rid of her toxins with her first born resonated with me as I was a sickly child. All the rest of my siblings were healthy as an ox. I promise you this MIT PhD will send you to school and you will want her to keep talking at the end. I just hope she is not found floating in a river as others like her have. Here is the audio.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0U4Ofriu6A&feature=youtu.be
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ORH, I could hug your neck right now. Last spring, we paid for a Mayo Clinic Executive Physical for my husband. It was a very impressive few days of doctor visits. However, when his bloodwork showed that he was now healthier than most men his age, instead of praising the dietary changes that had occured through a Paleo diet, the Cardiologist gave stirring counsel as to why it would make no sense for a man his age to stop taking his statin and that we must immediately switch to a Mediterranean diet. The Nutritionist also took her turn politely correcting my ignorance. Luckily, Mr Iowa was not convinced to change the diet and I do believe that if he will watch Dr Mercola's interview with this scientist, he will be willing to leave the statin behind. Best wishes and many heartfelt thanks for this information.
HI U IOWAMA,,,,,,,,, thank you, I need an attaboy ever once in a while. I did 66 sessions of EDTA Chelation and the angiogram showed that my heart vessels at 75 were clean as a baby's butt. Anyway, with my back problems and AFIB, I stopped doing the monthly maintenance chelations. I'm now planning to start my preventive measures again. As I've stated in years past we try to do preventive things. All my fellow Chelation mates only did them when their cardiologist told them that he could do no more bypasses. I would encourage ya'll to research EDTA Chelation to avoid heart plug gage. The protocol passed the double blind test, much to the chagrin of the medical field.
Today, we cut our garden Cilantro to make a tea to flush salt out our kidney's. The Lord said he will provide and the EC posters are a classic example of His promise.
I wish you and Mr Iowa well.===ORH====
Dear ORH,
I saw a license plate, "ORH009" a week ago Monday and thought of you! I hope EC will post this because I don't have any other way to tell you!
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In the ER, she pleaded with the Dr to do an MRI scan, which she was told was not indicated. (34 years old, profound headaches, accompanied by confusion and fatigue is a pretty good indication for an MRI scan) And I was sent home with a diagnosis of Atypical Migraine. The following morning, my wife called my primary care doctor and asked him to order an MRI scan, to which he agreed. And was done the next day. When the results of the MRI were called to my doctor, he in turn called my wife and told her that the MRI revealed multiple lesions in my brain, scattered throughout the white and grey matter, and he referred me to a neurologist. When we saw the Neurologist, he told use he thought it was Atypical Multiple Sclerosis. We decided to seek a second opinion, and we called the University of Wisconsin, Madison, and made an appointment with an MS specialist. When we went there and I was evaluated by the specialist, to which we were told “I dont think it is MS, though I am unsure what is going on” we went home to follow up in 2 weeks for additional testing and further evaluation. Over the next few days, I took my Lipitor as usual, and I continued to worsen with headaches, confusion, and profound lethargy.
My wife called the MS Specialist at UW Clinics, and he recommended I be evaluated as soon as possible. My wife and I dropped our 2 year old son off at my parents and we headed to UW Hospital where we were met by the Neurologist we had seen in clinic prior. Upon a mini mental exam, which I failed miserably, he admitted me to the hospital, Where I spent the next 28 days, akin to a 90 year old with advanced Alzheimer's disease. I could not walk, nor speak coherently, I was incontinent of bowel and bladder, I did not know my wife, nor my parents, brother or sister.
I had a brain biopsy which showed the lesions to be Apoptosis, (Programmed Cell Death), and an Electron Mictroscopy which revealed Mitochondrial DNA abnormalities consistent with Mitochondrial Encephalomyopathy and Lactic Acidosis with Stroke Like Episodes (MELAS). A muscle biopsy corroborated these findings. Serial Lactic Acid levels were grossly elevated, consistent with MELAS. I was to be transferred to a nursing home to live out my days, when I was evaluated by a visiting professor from Harvard, he suggested starting me on a mitochondrial Cocktail (essentially 13 vitamins, amino acids and one KEY NUTRIENT, CoQ10.
It was within 36 hours of starting this cocktail, that I could now answer simple questions, I began to walk with assistance, I could feed myself with assistance, I could now recognize my wife and my son and my parents and siblings. I was able to discharge home with aggressive rehab therapies.
Within a few weeks of being home, my wife and I watched Good Morning America one day, and Diane Sawyer was interviewing Dr Beatrice Golomb MD PhD, of the University of California San Diego. They were discussing a Statin Effects Study, Dr Golomb was to be doing. My wife urged me to enroll in the study, to which I replies, “Honey, my job as an RN was to know full well what the drugs I gave to my patients could do as well as any adverse effects.” But she was persistent, and I enrolled in the study, and had all of my medical records sent to Dr Golomb. When the study had finished, I received a call from Dr Golomb who informed me that I was one of several patients in her study with similar courses of illness and similar Brain and Muscle Biopsy findings, she told be she referred our cases to Dr Doug Wallace at UC Irvine, who she referred to as one of the top Mitochondrial Disease Experts in the US, and it was his opinion that my use of Lipitor was the Causal Contributor to the Mitochondrial DNA mutations, as well as the holes (Apoptosis) in my brain.
Since discharge on 11/7/2002, I have Peripheral Neuropathy, I still struggle with profound fatigue, muscle pain in my legs, severe cognitive delay as evidenced by an in depth Neuro-psychiatric Evaluation. It has been 13 and 1/2 years since my disability began. I have poured thousands of hours into researching the effects these dangerous drugs can and do have, more often than admitted by the doctors who dole these drugs out with callous disregard to the profound risks these drugs can have. I am an admin in a facebook group for statin side effects…I have read several books about statins and their risks an minimal benefits..none of which I was truly educated about during my tenure as a Critical Care RN. If anyone would like more information, please check out http://www.facebook.com/groups/statinsand or read “The Truth About Statins: Risks and Alternatives to Cholesterol Lowering Drugs” by Dr Barbara Roberts MD a cardiologist of 40 years who knows all to well the dangers these drugs can and do have.
C: Thanks so much for the detailed testimony of the dangers of statins.
There are a number of nutrients or herbs beneficial for brain health that you may or may not know about. If you type "Nootropics" into your search bar you will have plenty to read upon and possibly recover more completely.
Antioxidant nutrition in general is very important to prevent the horrible occurrence you endured, so, again, may do some research there. Specifically, add Selenium and Broad Spectrum Vit-E to your CoQ10 for maximum benefit and 3mg Melatonin prior to retiring.
For more info on the dangers of pharmaceutical drugs in general check out Jenny Thompson at http://hsionline.com/
Hi Christopher,
I belong to the Yahoo Group "Stopped Our Statins, " and your story is all too familiar to me. So many others have suffered many of the same adverse, life changing effects as you. The Group can be found here:
https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Stopped_Our_Statins/info
If you could even copy and paste your comments from EarthClinic, it would be helpful to others. Dr. Roberts has commented on our site, also. Statins help about 1% of men who have had a previous heart event to avoid another event, while having about a 20% rate of adverse effects, some very serious and irreversible. No women are helped, except in a small way by the antiinflammatory properties. I, too, had a couple of episodes of transient global amnesia, that I thought were pre-Alzheimers warnings, and especially dangerous because they occurred while I was driving my car. I find it impossible to sleep since taking them, even though I quit them years ago. I also have two autoimmune diseases, the first one I never heard of called Lichen Planus, that I later read can be linked to statin drugs, and acquired during the many years I was told to take my statins or risk a heart attack, even though with each drug taken, I could barely climb my stairs after being very physically fit. In fact, I now have a much greater chance of CHF because my heart, our largest muscle, was most likely damaged along with my leg muscles from the statins. I, too, believe I have DNA damage and this is the reason the LDN I have taken for about six years does not work well for me, and why I have also developed Sjogren's disease. (I do believe the LDN has been helpful, however). I do not belong to Facebook or I would like to see your site. I do read Dr. Graveline's public Facebook site about his own statin damage and suggestions and studies. Best wishes with your quest for an answer. I know it is out there. Take care.
Thanks for this, TimH. As always, you are a remarkable source of useful information. I had never heard of "Nootropics" before, but looking over the list and descriptions, I see a wealth of possibilities to help with brain clarity and memory. I have heard of some of the supplements and even tried a couple, but this list is a wealth of information. Thank you!
Thanks, Timh. I will look into this. I did have severe Hep A many years ago, with numbers so high that my blood stopped clotting, I was hospitalized and the doctors said no one in the practice had ever seen numbers that high (not sure what numbers) and it could go either way. Obviously, by the grace of God, I recovered. So I will look into the remedies for liver health and see if that helps. Thank you! I'm glad you have gotten some benefit from the LDN. I never cease to be amazed at how it helps so many different ailments.
Rsw: OK, I'm back after musing on your condition and this is what I got to offer.
1. We know that there are many preconditions to consider for any particular otc or Rx medications. In the category of hepatoxic medications, statins must be high on the list, so it may needs be known if your history of Hep-A was included on your medical records at the Dr office you got prescribed statin. If the Dr or Nurse knew of your precondition, and prescribed the s anyway, there may be grounds for legal action if you encountered much loss in this regard. And it doesn't end here. Next
2. People with an event of Hep are several times more likely to develop liver cancer later in life. It was my misfortune to loose my dear mother to this statistic in 2009.
3. Fortunately the liver is remarkably regenerative. Any successful recovery will include removing the obstacles of inflammation, fibrosis, and steatosis (fat). Raw Liver tablets plus the good herbs plus ALA will bring about a near complete recovery (if the pre-conditions above listed are removed).
Lots of good info and products for recovery at
Maybe not part of the mainstream alternative med liver protocol, but there is a Chiro in Florida that has had very good results with TMG for people with liver disease.
Hi Timh,
I can't thank you enough for your analysis of my situation. I always concentrate on heart blockages and cerebral hemorrhage, my family's weak areas, and don't spend much time thinking about the liver. It's amazing how you could see how that may need some assistance!
I have been reading the site you recommended, and have bought some phytosome Milk Thistle, TMG, I have ALA, and lemon water in the morning. Not sure if I can stomach raw liver and wondered if I could cook it and still get some benefit? I also bought some b. Coagulans probiotic to aid in overall digestive health after looking at that. I wish I were more informed on taking the supplements because I noticed after about two years of taking iodine plus companion nutrients with Boron each morning that Bill posted to be sure not to take them at the same time, and I realize how I don't have a good understanding of combining these supplements.
Yes, my doctor knew about the severe Hep A and still insisted I take every statin ever made, even after quitting each one because of muscle problems. I have noticed many statin damaged people were told the same thing, "You aren't as young as you were" as an excuse for the muscle pain, and that line seems too prevalent to think it might not have been fed to doctors by the pharma companies. One week you're jogging around the neighborhood, and the next you aren't as young as you were because you can't get up the stairs?
Thank you Timh, for all of your help and for thinking outside the box. I will continue to investigate this, and will update you on any progress. I don't want to get dramatic, but pointing this liver problem out to me may have saved my life. I am so grateful that you are here on Earth Clinic!
Rsw: It really feels good to pass on stuff I've learned during my journey, especially when it makes a difference in someone's life.
One item to note is that most physicians are under heavy pressure from big pharma to sell the most profitable Rx drugs. From the BP reps all the way up to head of marketing dept to excecutives they push, push, push, and keep grinding the numbers. And they have their own punishment-reward system for Dr's. If the Dr is young and has much financial dept they willingly keep those Rx pads unfolding. So here are folks like yourself that absolutely do not need to take any meds that are hepatoxic, but are "caught in the river - can't stop the flood - that's the power of money - paper blood" -E.L.P.
Back to the liver. Depending on the extend of damage, will determine how aggressive your remedies. As for the Raw Liver, I take capsules or tablets, and be sure they are "concentrate". You should also eat cooked chicken or calf liver. As for me, I don't cook much and live alone so it is periodically that I get cooked chicken liver carry-out from local restaurant or KFC.
The ALA, from my experience, is powerful in the regenerative area especially when combined with the herbs and raw or cooked liver. As for fat burning (which is very important) of course all the B vitamins and extra Choline/Inositol, Carnitine, and or Methionine. Of all the fat burners I find Methionine the most effective and take B-12/Folic Acid or SAM-e with it. The TMG works kinda like these and maybe it will be sufficient.
Yes, I too am glad about going deeper into your situation as, like I said before, people with an occurrence of Hep are several times more likely to develop liver cancer later in life. So it is very important to address this situation or almost surely face some bad consequences in the yrs to come.
Will be waiting for good news from you!
Hi Christopher,
Just reading your post. We live in Wisconsin and are desperately trying to find the cardiologist who is not a statin slut. Do you mind sharing who you see in the area? We are just north of Milwaukee. I am searching for a decent doctor for my father who has had open heart surgery and a stroke. The cocktail of crap his doctors have him on has caused severe peripheral neuropathy. He's only 77 and can barely walk. They've recently upped his Lipitor and his symptoms are getting worse (not shocking).
Sadly, I cannot get him to go off his meds. This generation firmly believes in what the doctor says. So I keep trying to find a doctor Who understands the danger of these meds.
Thank you
Karrie
Hi Karrie,
I am very sorry to hear about your Father. Christopher frequently posts on the Facebook group called “Stopped our Statins, ” and moderated for many years but presently only posts on another FB site called “Side Effects of Lipitor, Lovastatin and Other Statin Drugs.” If you direct your questions to him there, I believe he will respond. Best wishes!
Apparently 50% of people on statins get cataracts. Which is a bit of a worry when lemon juice or ACV can clean you up without the side effects.
Shazmin,
This article states that statins increase risk of cataracts by about 30%, but increase them 50% in people with diabetes who take statins. (Diabetes is a common side effect from statin use, as evidenced in the thousands of lawsuits now in process by damaged victims). Sir Rory Collins of Oxford, who has guarded the statin studies results funded by drug companies for decades, locked up at Oxford, and has been well paid for his efforts, states that only 1-2% of statin users suffer side effects, when, in fact we know that number is over 20%. Over 50% of people stop taking them because of muscle problems. Now that the medical journals are demanding the actual studies be opened for third party verification and duplication, perhaps we will see how dangerous these drugs are, that the only benefit comes from their antiinflammatory effect, that they benefit NO women, and only help middle aged men who have had a previous cardiac event. They benefit 1% of all people who take them, in that only one heart attack will be prevented for every 100 people taking them. (See "The Truth About Statins by Dr. Barbara Roberts, head of Women's Cardiology in RI and a professor at Brown University). Would you accept a vaccine that protected only 1% yet damaged between 20-30%? From what I see on Facebook and online groups of statin victims, the damage is high, serious and for many, permanent. A tsunami of congested heart failure is expected, and in fact may be here since heart attacks are decreasing but deaths from heart disease are increasing since statin use became so common, because they damage muscles, our largest being our hearts.
So beware! Those who are being advised to take statins by your doctors should pay close attention to your body reactions. The best thing is to evaluate yourself if it is reallly benefitial to you. Is cloresterol as bad as they claim? Search the web and you'll find many infos that might shock you! It was too late for me! Cholesterol has been distorted by the big Pharma for they can benefit big time in it - worldwide sales of statins is over $160 billion annually. But to those who suffer this so called side effects from the statins everyday, it is a killing drug! Many healthy people became sick and a few died from this drug! I don't know how much incentive my doctor who prescribed me the statins had received, but I wish him and those who push the statins to burn in hell!
PS - I wonder if EC would open a new link on this topic? I am sure I am not the only victim of statins over here! Ironically, if I didn't suffer from this thing, I would'nt be connected to this wonderful website! Thank you, EC!
My statin-induced neuropathy is STILL causing me great pain, even though it's been 6 years. Is there any grassroot movement to protect people?
I see so many people on the statins and suffering neuropathy, not aware of the harmful potential. They may be swallowing the very thing that is causing their foot pain.
The best thing i have ever seen work for neuropathy is alpha lipoic acid. You can get it at most health food stores. We first started to use it for blood sugar and found that stoping the tingling numbness and sharp pain of neuropathy was a great side effect. Needless to say, we then tried it in any nerve pain and yea! it worked. The dosage is 2, 300mgs caps a day. In one bottle the pain was gone. Please give it a try.
How do you tell what medications or disease, is causing neuropathy? I have been on statins for over 3 years, and hiv/aids meds for 20 years. My doctors blame it on the hiv disease, or the hiv meds, which is what causes my need for the statin drug. They have never brought up the fact that the statins can cause neuropathy either..
Hi, R!
Sadly, most of the doctors are still burying their heads in the sand in this issue! If I were you, I would definitely consider changing this doctor if s/he refuses to listen. Some in similar cases said they did when they rant their stories on the forums. Many wrote: "Thank you guys! I finally found someone who shares my pain. It is not in my head like my doctor said!"
The latest info I can find online (unofficial): a small group of researchers have narrowed down the culprit. It is due to a deformed gene (SLCO1B1) in some patients, lacking a LDL subgroup Lrp4 (destroyed by the statin drug), trigger the damaging process on the neurons. And this problem happens to about 4% of the patients who take statins. But some say it could be as high as 10%. The big pharmas are not doing anything since there is no money in it. Some lawyers sued but with little success.
Medications for your Hiv can also cause Peripherol Neuopathy too. Reseachers found COQ10 can help to an extent.
My suggestion is, talk to your doctor and see if s/he is willing to take measures to identify the problem - either it is your statin or your Hiv drugs. Tell your doctor that blood work won't tell. You have to take a muscle biopsy which could cost up to $6000, someone did! But this could only confirm it and there is still no cure!
At the mean time, take a lot of vitamins - B/C/D/E and COQ10. Exercise! I found exercise, any kind that suits your life style, that relax the muscles will help. Pay close attention to your pain triggering point. Don't let it develope into a big thing by stopping everything to avoid angering your body!
Don't give up, dawn is coming!
With my warmest regards,
Good Time Charlie
69 years old and have taken statins for 12 years. I developed pain and tingling in my left shoulder, arms and hands. Doctor prescribed physical therapy and it could not cure so had MRI and it detected thinning of myelin around neck spinal cord that was touching disc so he scheduled surgery to open and fuse vertebra. Then I asked the doctor if it could be statin induced and he said no way. I asked to stop but he said no and I stopped any way. After 2 months all pain went away and I told the doctor. He said no way Statin could have caused it so I started taking half a dose, 10 MG every other day and in 4 months pain was back so I stopped the statin but it took 3 months for the pain to go away this time and I have been off of it ever since. Doctor keeps saying I need to lower cholesterol and to take it, no way he cannot force it. Reported to FDA, drug company and doctor and they do not believe and do not acknowlodge statin might be the cause. I take 100 mg CoQ10 daily instead and I believe it helped restore the spinal cord myelin protective sheath.
Stano, your email of Saturday was eye-opening. My husband's situation (regarding neuropathy) sounds very similar. A statin was working but the Dr. didn't think cholesterol was low enough and changed to another statin. Mistake, he began on a spiral downhill and after reading your blog, I am convinced it is that. For a year we have struggled along trying to figure out what has happened. Finally, he has developed lung cancer on top of the neuropathy so he is in pain but it is from the neuropathy going from the left side of the neck down to the hand. The damage may be permanent but at least we are on the trail of some answers. Thank you for sharing.
I am 57 years old and have had neuropathy since 1995. I had to quit my full time job because of leg pain and fatigue. It started in my feet and calves and is now all over my body, including my hands, I have about 50% loss in my fingers. I've been taking Lipitor for over 20 years and just recently was reading about the possible connection. I've had 3 brain MRI's, 3 spinal taps, and several nerve conduction tests for possible MS. None was conclusive for MS, and nerve conduction was marginal normal. If indeed Lipitor has caused this horrible condition, it's cost me a career, a family, and put my entire life on hold. I'm going to see my doctor as soon as I can.
Hi Rick, So sorry to hear this. 20 years on Lipitor could definitely do this. I heard a well-known person speak on this subject a year and a half ago. He said statin drugs will definitely waste the muscles without a doubt. It's sad that your doctors haven't told you the connection. The good news is our bodies can be healed. You will have to be committed to that though. There are many of us on EC who have forged through many physical adversities and restored or are restoring our health. There are many natural ways to reduce cholesterol without drugs which will always have side effects. Here is the section on EC:
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/cholesterol.html
Also, begin detoxing to get it out of your system and just clean your body up in general. There are many ways to do this. Here is the section:
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/detoxification.html
I also see you are in Camarillo so you're a neighbor! Well, there's a place in Westlake Village called Oasis Wellness Center where they have far infrared saunas which would accelerate the detoxification, bring down inflammation, help your body pain, remove heavy metals and so much more. I take a sauna at least once a week to detox.
I wish you the best and hope this info helps. Lisa
WARNING!
On sept.15 was prescribe atorvastatin : On day 1 and 2 little pain neck. On day 3 and 4 pain went to neck and shoulder. Day 5 pain got worse. I stopped taking meds day 6, pain so bad could not sleep. Day 7 went to ER. They did 2 ekg and xrays founding nothing, Didn't think it was the statin drugs. Gave me tylenol 3 for pain and sent me home .[took 2 tylenol] no 9/13 no more pain.
I take warfarin for blood thinner, checked INR on 8/15 was 3.1 on 9/15 as 4.1 .I also have afib
I'm so glad I stopped taking this after 6 days.
Going to start coq10. good luck to all
My father was given multiple statin drugs after his triple bypass which caused him to have neuropathy in his feet and legs. The tingling and the pain are often unbearable. That said he got off the statins is taking a bunch of supplements and his cholesterol and Triglyceride numbers are still perfect. He's tried multiple medications with no relief. I have him doing Neurofeedback 2x a week which helps to manage the pain. It's also extremely helpful for anyone who has suffered from amnesia, brain fog or vertigo. Wishing health and happiness to you all.
