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In early November a cough began in my family. Within a couple of weeks 9 out of 10 in my household were coughing. By Thanksgiving the cough was actually noticeably worse instead of better. A few days after Thanksgiving I realized that I and my 6 year old were whooping after we had a coughing fit. I was 99% sure we had whooping cough by this point. I did go in to get a test for it, which was positive. This positive test was useful for a few reasons, one of which was that my son in college was able to get a prescription for antibiotics from his doctor, based on my diagnosis, so wouldn't have to worry about being contagious at school. Interestingly, the antibiotic did not seem to help his symptoms. (My understanding is that, taken in the first two weeks it can reduce symptoms, but of course, it is hard to diagnose whooping cough in the first two weeks.)
I had helped a friend make liposomal vitamin C for whooping cough a few years ago so I had the stuff to make it and did so. I still make a batch every day to use for my family. At first I was using sodium ascorbate which was labor intensive for treating 9 people. I was constantly evaluating symptoms, trying to notice if it was causing bowel intolerance and giving it every 1/5 - 2 hours. The liposomal was easier to dose - I gave it to most people 3 times a day and it seemed to work as well if not better.
Liposomal C is supposed to be given on an empty stomach but I couldn't always dose it that way. I did always give some juice as a chaser. It tastes pretty terrible.
I also bought some lypospheric vitamin C online but it was a dollar a dose. I did give that to my son to take when away from home during the day.
We avoided dairy and sugar quite strictly during the worst of it and ate a lot of bone broth based soups.
Flax seed tea was useful though not enjoyed by many. Otherwise I gave out a lot of hot tea (any kind just to help with hydration.) I sweetened it with honey. Staying well hydrated is critical to keep mucous thin and easier to get up.
Not everyone in my family had the characteristic "whoop." My 15 year old never seemed very sick though one day missed all of her vitamin C doses and they next day did feel poorly. Even my 6 year old who coughed and vomited from coughing didn't seem very sick between coughing fits. Several in my house did have many lethargic days. There was occasional fever in one of my children.
Vitamin C therapy won't get rid of whooping cough but greatly helps with symptoms.
My 21 year old son who lives at home (though works a lot and isn't home much) did not get whooping cough, at least yet. I gave him turmeric (4 capsules twice daily) for weeks in hopes that it would work as a natural antibiotic. After 2-3 weeks I ran out of that and gave him 2 oregano oil capsules twice daily which I am still doing. He did seem to have very mild cold symptoms for a while but doesn't now.
No, my children were not vaccinated against pertussis/whooping cough. My oldest had 2 DPT shots 24 years ago. After the second one he had a very bad reaction and we felt the risk of the disease was not as great as the risk from the vaccine for our family.
My husband and I had been vaccinated as children (though surely haven't had boosters in many years.) One son did get a Tdap shot before college in August and still got it.
It has been a long six weeks but people are feeling much better. I will probably keep up the vitamin C for a few more weeks.
I did read the Suzanne Humphries Protocol through several times and it was helpful.
I hope you never have to deal with whooping cough, but if you do, diy liposomal Vitamin C helps a lot! It isn't a cure but has been great blessing to us.
~Mama to Many~
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Mullein leaf tea really saved me from coughing continously. I read it here and decided to try it. I was given by prescription Promethizine with codeine cough syrup and Tessalon Pearles, both considered the Cadillac of cough suppressent. I became immune to the two prescriptions and turned to the Mullein tea. What a relief.....the tea was wonderful and very inexpensive to use. Thank you EarthClinic for the info of mullein tea.
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We are having the best results with the high dose Vit C by Dr humphries, plus serrapeptase to remove the dead tissue and open lungs, plus mullein tea, plus high dose of Lugol's iodine with cofactors ( 200 mg daily, three days on two days off).
We are noticing that all of the mentioned seem to play a natural role in detoxing the toxins and keeping the mucus thin and movable without too much hacking.
Colloidal Silver, Vitamin C
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What really helped our son was vit c and colloidal silver. It minimizes symptoms. We saturated his body with the vit c. about 1000 ml every couple of hour. We are continuing with 3000 ml a day until all congestion is gone. He is recovering!
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Well, I also read in another study of Vitamin C and whooping cough that one can have to take up to 1000mg per Kilogram of body weight. My daughter is roughly 32 lbs, so that could mean that she could have to ingest up to close to 15,000mgs per day of Vitamin C to reach saturation.
So, knowing that my daughter can tolerate rather high levels of Vitamin C (because I have used it to treat other illnesses) I started her on 750 mgs every 40 - 50 mins beginning at 8:45 am until her bedtime at 8:00pm and was unsuccessful at producing a loose BM. So, the next day, beginning at 7:40 am (both days giving first dosage on an empty stomach) I started giving her 1000mgs every half an hour (both days stopping at nap time and resuming as soon as she awoke). I also started this second morning giving her Belladonna 30C every 2.5 hours all day. Since she did not have a loose BM even on 1000mg every half hour, I just continued this dosage without increase until bedtime at 7:45 and then resumed the third morning at 7:30am with 1000mg every half hour and Belladonna 30C every 2.5 hours (and at every coughing jag) until naptime. After naptime I gave 1000mg every 45 minutes until bedtime (still Belladonna every 2.5 hours)at 7:30pm. The fourth morning beginning at 8am I continued giving 1000 vitamin C every 45 minutes and Belladonna every 2.5 hours until about 5 pm when her symptoms were noticeably reduced. At that time I started giving vitamin c 1000mg every hour until bed. The 5th morning she was mostly cough-free, but I continued to give 1000mg vitamin C every 2 hours throughout days 5-6, still giving Belladonna, but now every 4 hours. Today, day 7, she is totally well, and I am phasing out both vitamin C and Belladonna with 1000mg every 4 hours and Belladonna just at naptime and bedtime.
I seem to have contracted the whooping cough from my daughter, so I am trying the same remedies on myself to see if I get the same or similar results (although, Cinchona and Drosera seem more indicated as homeopathic remedies for me than for my daughter. Her whooping cough attacks were followed by sneezing, sometimes little sneezing "fits", so Belladonna was clearly indicated for her because of the sneezing. I do not really have any sneezing so far.) I will post again, if same remedy works for me.
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My other half came in and asked what was wrong, (I was crying by now and panicking). "Well give her the homeopathic remedy for whooping cough then", he advised. I put the phone down, and one drosera 30c pilule actually cured her completely by morning. She didn't have any lasting effects or symptoms. I expected to give more pilules than that!
Am still proud, and amazed to this day, especially how quick it worked, its efficacy, and how a tiny pilule can do all that. So glad I learnt it.
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This is taken from the book "Be Your Own Doctor" by Rachel Weaver. I highly suggest thus book, lots of great info in there.
Also we have found that lavendar in the oil diffuser helps with congestion.
I had started reading and studying before I had children on making decisions regarding having them and raising them. At that time certain ideas were not mainstream and still quite controversial. Some of them that I consciously made- I had my children at home with a nurse midwife, I had 3 of my children in water births, I did not circumcise, I breastfed, I eventually homeschooled and helped friends whose children were not fitting into the public school framework do the same and I made the decision not to immunize. You may even find this hard to believe, but it was my nurse midwife who cautioned me on vaccines. Of course, I had already done my research and knew what my decision was.
All of this was 28 years ago. I have since raised 5 kids now ages 27, 26, 23, 16 and 13. They are all extremely healthy with relatively no issues growing up except the usual flus and colds. Even those were rare and if they had them, I treated them with homeopathy, Chinese medicine, alternative health and nutrition.
Believe me, those early years people were perplexed by some of my choices. I even endured dirty looks and comments from the school "nurse" when I would sign my waiver for non- vaccination. About the third year of this the head school nurse was present and when I arrived with my waiver, the school "nurse" made a condescending remark about me to the head nurse who readily said, that what I chose to do was fine, many people were now making that decision! That shut her up and she never commented again.
Today, all of these are part of the mainstream awareness and I am so happy that people are choosing to educate themselves in understanding there is not this narrow corridor one must walk through in life based on what we are "told" is the "right" thing to do.
I noticed someone also posted to you some eye- opening information. Perhaps you should look it over and realize there are some very serious consequences to the plethora of vaccines being given. Many of us know the theory behind vaccinations. We also know there are dangers hidden in them. May I also add that your statement, "Babies have an under-developed immune response" says a lot right there regarding the barrage of immunizations being given to days-old babies! Doctors tell parents the dangers of not vaccinating, how about telling them the dangers of vaccinating as well, so they have the full story.
Anyway, I just felt it necessary that another voice is heard in this issue. Best to you, Lisa
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From November to January of this year 9 out of 10 in my household had whooping cough. My 21 year old never did get it. He slept in a room with 2 of his brothers who coughed and whooped all night long. He was definitely thoroughly exposed.
Once I realized what we had, I started to give that son turmeric. (Everyone else was on liposomal C.) 4 capsules of turmeric twice daily for weeks and weeks. When I ran out of turmeric I gave him oregano oil capsules twice a day.
I think it is now safe to say that turmeric did indeed help him. If I were exposed to whooping cough I would definitely take turmeric. (Of course, now I have natural immunity and don't have to worry about it.)
~Mama to Many~
Vitamin C
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We started out with powdered ascorbic acid and I mixed into orange or grape juice to make it palatable. Then we moved to sodium ascorbate because it was less sour and easier to get down, but it does seem like a lot of sodium to put in their little bodies so I lessened the doses.
To get your dose you start out giving 500 mg vit c every 30 min until they have a soft poop, not watery. write it down every time you dose. Then add up how many mg you gave and subtract one 500mg dose from that number. Then give that number of mg every 4 hours during the day.
My 2yo got 2000mg every 4 hours and my 6yo got 4000mg every four hours.
Bottom line is vitamin c definitely works in treating pertussis!! It works miracles!!!
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I am also trying the Vit C Saturation for my daughter and thus far have not got her to bowel tolerance but hoping to reach that today.. All my 3 girls have never had to have an antibiotic and I hope they never will. my eldest daughter is 7 so I figure I am doing something right..
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I am not the original poster, but I have read the same book and made and used the salve she mentions. It is best kept in the fridge, but I have kept it out of the fridge for a few days when I am using it a lot.
I have applied this to a child every couple of hours, chest, back and bottoms of feet. If it is too strong for your child, you can dilute it with some more oil.
If you are dealing with Whooping Cough, you may want to look into treating it with high doses of Vitamin C. This has worked well for a couple of people I have known personally.
~Mama to Many~
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From day one of their births, I had breastfed and continued to breastfeed my oldest until she was two years old, at which point my 2nd child was born and he went straight on to the breast, no breaks in between for me! While these two were fully vaccinated, they were never completely free of troubles. Never sickly children but both had endless small problems and my daughter still battles with an autism type disorder, never been able to be fully diagnosed, however, they both cope ok and are back living in the US. My 3rd child was never vaccinated and he has lived on fresh garden fruit and veges from our backyard, breastfed even longer than two years, as much organic meat and seafood as he needed. He has not once - and he is approaching 11yrs old - EVER had a cold or flu or a sickness in his life.
I firmly believe bringing him up vaccine free and exposed to the best food I could give him, has set his immune system up so well that he is naturally able to fight off any disease or illness thrown his way thus far. I well remember the chicken pox going around when he was 3, everyone had their kids off school sick and spotty, he had 6 spots, never got sick, in fact, it wasn't even noticeable.
While I don't feel vaccinations are necessarily wrong for everyone, I do feel they give them way too early for a tiny babies system to handle. How about after they turn 2 if a parents wants it? A breastfed baby will be the healthiest as long as the mother is eating good food. No wonder we're a sick bunch on this planet with what's going into our mouths. It's not even food.
Hydrogen Peroxide
I do not know the amount of food grade hydrogen peroxide to put in the vaporizer...sorry, hopefully someone else have that information. I did pour an ounce or so of 3% hydrogen peroxide into about a gallon of water in a vaporizer for my son when he had a respiratory virus recently.
if you have not read about using high doses of vitamin C for whooping cough, here is a long but helpful article on it.
I have a friend whose children had whooping cough a couple of years ago. (They were positively diagnosed.) But they never even whooped and hardly coughed more than with a cold. She was using high doses of vitamin C.
Rachel Weaver, in her book, Be Your Child's Pediatrician, says that she has heard of good success with ground flax seed tea. 1 tablespoon ground flax seed per cup of hot water. An older teen could sip on two cups a day. Apparently after a few days of this there is a big improvement. (1/2 cup for a child, 1/4 cup for a toddler.)
I hope your daughter feels better soon...keep us posted on how things work.
~Mama to Many~
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Both of my children got the whooping cough last year. While their school mates suffered through it I was able to kill it with mega doses of vitamin C. Specifically I used Sodium Ascorbate. I just dissolved tiny amounts in their juice every hour until they had diarreah. Then I scaled it back to a smaller maintenance dose until they showed no more symptoms. We did use drosera before I tried the vitamin C to no avail.
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I am wondering though if you read anything I suggested from the previous poster? If not, I would highly suggest you do. I will include the link to make it more accessible:
http://naturalnews.com/vaccines_get_the_full_story.html
There are too many facts to go through one by one why I think there should be more public awareness made on the dangers of vaccines. Also, it's time for the vaccine industry to clean up their act from the unknown viral strains and heavy metals they include in their immunizations. There are also numerous doctors also questioning the efficacy of vaccinations. Dr. Robert Mendelsohn was one of the very early ones whom I studied back in the early 80's. These doctors, of course, are not the ones that get the press.
There is a whole community begging for the truth from the vaccine companies who deny any connection between vaccinations and autism. The Bedrok community is one of them and here is an excerpt from one of their letters regarding this:
"We have measles which there are outbreaks and often deaths for some that have not been vaccinated or the vaccine did not work. It baffles us to think that we have made tremendous advancements with AIDS and it is a virus; we can surely prevent a couple children from dying from the measles. The other life-threatening vaccine is polio and it's more likely you will get this from someone that just got the shot than from getting it from someone with the disease. They will tell us that a couple have died from whooping cough but the vaccine isn't very effective.
Why are doctors obligated to tell us that are children will die if you do not vaccinate but they do not to tell us that our child may die of a vaccine.
Why is the president-elect of the American Academy of Pediatrics allowed to go on the Today show and say that no one has ever had permanent damage from vaccines. There is a national fund for vaccine injuries. The website also gives all reported side affects of all vaccines. Death is reported in most all of the vaccines. Is death not considered a permanent injury? Bedrok Communty thinks it is but the American Academy of Pediatrics says that death is not a permanent injury.
We apologize that the autism community has taken up so much of your time arguing the mercury issue. We don't think thimerosal is the one thing that caused our child's autism. Even though many are finding mercury in their children's bodies' many years after the vaccine was administered; this is a known neuro-toxin; so none the less it needs to be out. We want to focus on something else. The immune system and what repeated vaccines can do to some who have a predisposition to auto-immune diseases. We plead that you look into the affect on our immune systems with an over abundance of vaccines."
Again, I just wish to expose the other side of the rather simplistic theory that vaccines work. It's so much more complex than that! It's time to raise awareness in this area as well. The public deserves this much as well. Wishing you the best, Lisa
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Came across your thread and website. GREAT information - I'll definitely be back to earthclinic.
~ Educated, mom of 2, unvaccinated, healthy children.
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For many reasons--money, profit--and, control. If we are made sick and kept sick, we are distracted, and, kept under control. More money is made for the every inflated, price-gouging "sick-care" industry--no one in their right minds can call such abusive practices "heathcare."
For well documented evidence of why this is happening to you, go to Infowars.com and Health Ranger.
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Hydrogen Peroxide
So for a gallon it would be how much? 8 x 32 drops? which would be 256 drops?
Wish there was a clear recipe, so I might try just 1/2 cup
Vaccine
In addition, some vaccines are not prolife (they harm a human life when cultivating the vaccine). There is a website that list vaccines where you can find which vaccines are prolife and which ones are not.
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Vaccines contain either a modified form of the bacteria or dead bacteria that will illicit an immune response. Your body takes about 2 weeks to build up antibodies, which are memory immune cells that are specific to that pathogen. Since the vaccine contains modified or dead pertussis, for example, the bacteria does not cause whopping cough. The vaccine essentially exposes you to the bacteria in a milder form, allowing you to build a line of defense upon actual exposure without actually getting sick. Upon exposure to the live, virulent bacteria, the vaccinated individual already has antibodies ready to fight off the infection, and do not have a chance to develop an infection, because the vaccinated individual has antibodies ready to fight. Vaccination, in essence, makes sure you have an army to fight (antibodies) when the enemy (pathogen) comes in. The thought of unvaccinated babies is horrifying. My heart fell when I saw this thread. Adults with these preventable diseases is scary enough. Babies have an under-developed immune response, so have even a lesser chance (compared to adults) of fighting infection.
I hope this gives some people knowledge about the importance of vaccines and how they work, and hope to never see a thread like this again.
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Science aside, lets look at the math. How many babies died of pertussis, diphtheria, H. Influenza, before the age of vaccines? How many died after vaccination became mainstream? Of course you could have adverse effects; natural drugs, pharmaceutical drugs, vaccines, and the air we breath can have adverse effects. That does not mean that the incidence is high, and it also doesn't mean that the benefits of vaccinations don't far outweigh the risks. The statistics speak for themselves. Vaccines save lives.
My purpose in writing my original post was to raise awareness of how dangerous this "anti vaccination" ideology is. If this becomes popular, the consequences will be terrifying. The general public takes for granted that children live into adulthood these days. People don't remember what it was like to lose relatives and friends due to these diseases. Unfortunately, people are getting more lax with vaccinations or choosing not to vaccinate. Consequently, there is an increase in these diseases, along with mortality. Infections that were eradicated and forgotten are slowly trickling back. The herd immunity bubble that some are benefiting from is based on the fact that most people are vaccinated, and some individuals are not. If enough people don't vaccinate, herd immunity will no longer protect them, and people will quickly realize how important vaccination really is. Unfortunately, it will be too late.
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The reason I am so passionate about this is because I am in graduate school with a focus in microbiology, and have extensive microbiology research experience. I know the pathogenesis of all these diseases, and the tremendous advantage of the introduction of vaccines into the modern world. I see mortality rates of these once forgotten diseases starting to increase in areas where vaccination rates drop due to lack of public awareness, fear, or misinformation regarding vaccinations.
I did click on your link, and quite frankly am saddened that this information is on the web to mislead individuals like yourself. The following are some copied/pasted statements from your provided link, which I italicized. I also explained why they are fabricated lies that are unsupported by scientific evidence:
"Why autism is associated with vaccines."
This is a lie. There is currently no correlation between autism and vaccination. The researcher who associated autism with vaccines is a fraud who was responsible for many deaths in Europe due to parents choosing not to vaccinate in light of his "research. " He had conflicts of interest (ie money was more important to him than lives). "…A 2011 journal article described the vaccine-autism connection as 'the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years. ' " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine_controversy
"Why vaccines have NEVER been proven safe or effective."
This is a lie. Vaccines prevent outbreaks and drastically decrease mortality rates. Saying this is about as ridiculous as Ahmadinejad saying that there was no Holocaust. This is a rewrite of science. All the research is there. It is also not emerging research where we are waiting to see long- term consequences of vaccination. The research has been around for quite some time. In fact, due to all the broo-ha-ha that has been going on, some people stopped vaccinating in in various areas of Europe. Guess what happened? Increase in mortality until people got scared and started vaccinating again. What an unfortunate, senseless loss of lives.
In science (and everything else), the source of your information is critical. With all due respect, those without a solid background in microbiology and/or medicine are simply not equipped to make this decision themselves. Hence, your provided link, which has no basis in scientific evidence. The "facts" stated are not facts at all, and are not supported by science. You reach a point when you must realize it is simply beyond your scope of knowledge. I do not mean to be harsh, but this is not simply a "choice" where everyone should do what they want and no one gets hurt. This anti-vaccination ideology is dangerous to those who do not know any better. We must realize that we are not experts in everything. I don't tell the plumber how to fix my sink, I don't tell a botanist how to care for a plant. I simply don't know. If the CDC, leading researchers, MDs are telling you to vaccinate, you should listen! If you don't want to trust the research, look at the historical evidence. When vaccination rates decrease, outbreaks and death rates increase. This is not arguable.
Are there some adverse reactions? Sure, but "Remember, vaccines are continually monitored for safety, and like any medication, vaccines can cause side effects. However, a decision not to immunize a child also involves risk and could put the child and others who come into contact with him or her at risk of contracting a potentially deadly disease."
I will no longer pursue this thread, as I feel I have nothing further to add here. Statistics are statistics. Facts are facts.
Best to you, and to all.
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There are very well-educated people and doctors who challenge this idea of vaccinations and the innundation of the sheer number of them being given today. Also, there is a rapid rise in shingles today which is believed to be due to the chicken pox vaccination that is now standard.
I would also like to add this link that is from Dr. Christiane Northrup's newsletter which has an interview with Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, Doctor of Osteopathic medicine on what she reveals about immunizations. It is quite informative. :
http://www.drnorthrup.com/cn_newsletter/archive/NorthrupNews_Jul_Aug08.pdf
Please understand, my belief is that we are all entitled to as much information as possible and then we have the right and responsibility to make educated decisions based exactly on that and not because we are just told it has to be done a status quo way. I believe this holds true for everything. Question authority. May everyone raise their consciousness for all humankind, Lisa
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http://www.emedicinehealth.com/hepatitis_b/page2_em.htm
I, myself, had Hep A when I lived in South America. Katie
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