I am wondering is it OK to take the Lugols Iodine protocol and the Food Grade Hydrogen Peroxide at the same time or on the same day? Is there any negative interaction between these 2 products in the body and cells? Do they need to be taken separately or would it be OK to take both together on a daily basis?
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TSH always goes up with iodine supplementation.
NSA needs TSH, as the body makes TSH, which in turn makes NSA that feeds the body.
Without TSH, we have low NSA.
The TSH drops when the body has sufficient NSA and that's usually 6 months, so I am reliably told.
Having just gone through the same.
Iodine and Vitamin C
The best way - or so it appears to me - to get through the detox effects is to lower the dose since you're lowering it anyway, with the anti-oxidants.
Accompanying Supplements
More to your point, I was low on Iron. We tried oral supplements, and I thought I would never feel good again. We switched IV for a couple of weeks, and I was no longer iron poor, and my stomach returned to normal. The point is, of course, if oral iron supplements are sneaking in, they may be at least part of your distress.
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Detoxification Chemical Reactions
To detox mercury with Lugols there are three steps as far as I can put the pieces together afterI did a detox myself.
Make water soluble complex salt:
potassium tetraiodo mercurate (K 2 HgI 4) aka "Nesslers Reagent."Then excrete that via liver.
My guess is that this is done via an sulfur-containing aminoacid, most likely glutathione.
Then excrete via liver and bile. I could feel that it went this way.
In the intestine comes a "pitfall, "
bacteria may convert the ionic mercury to methylmercury. The methylmercury is fat-soluble and gets resorbed.
The result is moving mercury from belly fat to the brain, not advisable.
To bind the mercury, elemental sulfur can get processed in the intestine to some extremely stinky compound that binds mercury.
This is known in Germany as "Schwefelkur nach Dr. Probst" and goes back to Paracelsus. Dr Probst found that in an an ancient textbook.
To my knowledge he gives the empirical description that when "Detox" is needed ther stool will stink and when detox is not needed the stink stops without explaining any chemistry.
Î did a mercury detox with Lugols, supplied Acetylcystein (cough med) and elemental sulfur with every meal.
It took for me about four months to get the mercury out.
Some two weeks after I started Lugols I could feel mercury moving to my liver, then bile and some ten minutes later I went to the throne wher even the king walks. That stuff had to come aut asap.
At the very end of my detox my stool stopped stinking, I stopped sulfur and then I noticed another load of mercury going through the bile.
I could feel it going to my head a few days later.
With taking sulfur for a while I got that mercury out too, since then I felt no need to take sulfur any more.In my opinion as chemical engineer this fits only for mercury especially the resorption again.
How the detox mechanism for the other mentioned metals work I would like to know too.
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I nebulize with Lugol's 2% and food grade hydrogen peroxide all the time. I use 1 or 2 Drops of Lugol's and 1% mix of HP. 1/2 teaspoon at a time in nebulizer pot. Once a day.
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I've not long started on the Iodine Protocol, but really dislike taking all the accompanying vitamins. My stomach does not take too kindly to so many. Is there a multi vitamin supplement which would cover all or most of these in one go? I am aware that vitamin C should be taken at a different time from the iodine.
I am taking Iodoral, not doing the drops.
Thanks.
I'm interested in following Bill's Iodine Protocol, and am unsure of the correct amount of magnesium to take. The instructions say to take between 400 mgs and 1200 mgs of magnesium per day. I've just purchased some Nova Magnesium Chloride, 520 mgs per tablet, believing that if I took two of these they would provide over 1,000 mgs of magnesium. However in the supplement facts at the side of the bottle it informs me that there is only 62.17 mgs per tablet of magnesium. Does this mean that I will have to take multiple tablets to get the required magnesium that the protocol calls for?
Thanks for any help.
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Lugol's Iodine Protocol
EC: Hi Erin, can you please tell us which protocol you are referring to, Bill Thompson's Lugol's Iodine Protocol or his Candida Protocol?
Last month, before LI therapy, when I was still on Borax, my period was virtually painless (usually always painful) and I hadn't had PMS since Borax therapy.
Can anyone tell me what caused the change in hormones? And the sudden surge of PMS this month? Is it the LI? Am I doing something wrong? Should I stop?
Thanks!
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How do you find someone to do a hair analysis?
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Converting Lugol's Iodine
http://jeffreydachmd.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/The-Guide-to-Supplementing-with-Iodine-Stephanie-Burst-ND.pdf
Magnesium 'oil' is made from magnesium chloride flakes.
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Lugol's Iodine Side Effects
Lugol's Iodine Side Effects
Yes the Borax is an amazing protocol for candida. I am doing Lugol's now with maintenance doses of the borax from a previous detox. It is worthwhile to note from my experience that I would not want to do both detoxes at the same time. The lugols makes me itchy somewhat whereas the borax made me feel like I had a flu for about 2-3 weeks with violent diarrhea. My personal feelings and you would know better but I would do the borax for 4 weeks before doing lugol's to minimize dual symptoms. When I get the itchy Lugol's detox symptoms I take extra vitamin C and an extra pinch of sea salt and filtered well water. I also filter all my water through my Berkey system which can also be used on tap water with the addition of a fluoride filter to good effect.
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Converting Lugol's Iodine
Converting Lugol's Iodine
Copper is an important mineral for the body, so what you should do to get a better idea about your general vitamin and mineral status is have a hair analysis done. This will also show you how much excessive heavy metals you have in your body.
To help balance the excess zinc and get it down you should also perhaps regularly supplement copper until proper levels of copper and zinc are reached. But try and get the hair analysis done as this will give you a much wider picture of your health status.
Converting Lugol's Iodine
What if I have high zinc? Should I still supplement with it, or leave it out?
Thanks, Wendy
Converting Lugol's Iodine
A hair analysis will tell you your mineral and vitamin status and will also reveal any excess heavy metals present in you body.
You can start supplementing with just iodine on its own if you want. But if this isn't working well for you then I would simply take all the minerals and vitamins that are recommended as companion nutrients for iodine.
You can start with a two drop dose of iodine per day. If it's OK for you, I would increase the this dose by two drops every day.
The recommended Lugol's Iodine daily dose is 50 mgs per day.
Since you are taking 2% Lugol's Iodine this means that you will have to take a split dose of 20 drops LI per day to achieve the 50 mgs daily dose.
The daily dose for 5% LI would be 8 drops per day. Please see the Iodine Drop to Mgs conversion chart shown here for more details.
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Best Regards,
Chad
Converting Lugol's Iodine
If you are hypothyroid then this problem will probably need a lot more than just taking Lugol's Iodine. What I'm talking about is all the critical body processes that are involved to get iodine absorbed and utilized correctly by your thyroid and by your cells. This involves iodine being absorbed into the blood from the intestines, blood transport and absorption into the cells. And this doesn't just happen. These numerous processes need enzymes and coenzymes that are usually all derived from minerals or vitamins.
For instance, if you are low in body magnesium or tyrosine then you will probably lack a critical coenzyme which converts the iodide to iodine for proper storage within the thyroid itself. If you don't take Vitamin C as advised and if your body contains high bromine then iodine absorption will be inhibited in the intestines and, instead, bromine will be transported to the cells and to the thyroid which is a bad outcome. Taking Vitamin C everyday removes the bromine and excretes it safely and quickly via the urinary pathway resulting in an immediate improved iodine absorption into the blood and thyroid. If you lack selenium, then you will lack the antioxidant protection of glutathione peroxidase in your thyroid cells. Low glutathione causes oxidative damage usually causing thyroid nodules. Taking Sea Salt with water is the cure for excess bromine in the blood during detox, which can cause bromoderma or acne-like skin problems.
So I hope you can now see how a lack of any one of the above recommended nutrients in the body can either directly cause or contribute to hypothyroid conditions as well as many other problems in the body. And that's really why you should supplement all the recommended companion nutrients with lugol's Iodine. Then all bases are covered.
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Well since I asked you about copper toxicity a few months ago, I've been doing quite a lot of research myself with a biochemist and also an orthomolecular doctor. Apparently, taking the birth control pill/HRT releases extra estrogen into the system and makes the zinc bio unavailable to the body this causing the imbalance with copper! So what was considered the great saviour for us baby boomers in the 1970s, is causing health headaches in later life. What a surprise the big Pharmas haven't mentioned this little side effect of birth control tablets and HRT!
Anyway, I've been taking lots of parsley and also nettle and dandelion etc infusions which seem to have helped on a very gentle level. Added to which I've started taking cream of tartar (potassium ) and Celtic sea salt in water three times a day as well as adding a good pinch of sea salt to my drinking water and I can't believe the difference! Instead of waking up feeling lethargic and as if I've not slept for days, I feel full of energy and wide awake. I e also added acidophilus capsules several times a day along with L-Theanine, and my usual coconut oil, natural vit C etc and I no longer feel the need for Betaine nor do I rush to take my Bicarb and lemon after a meal. I do still take it of course, along with liquid magnesium, but even when I forget, I get no acid reflux or digestive problems. And my pH is usually between 7 and 7.5 so I feel very happy.
I'm going to have a hair analysis- done in the US where they have better resources it seems in this area, along with a full iron panel blood test. But I feel so well and not "Tired all the time " as I did before, I can't believe it. Thanks for your advice and I hope some of this feed back may help others who feel tired. I believe the potassium and salt and magnesium really sorts out the adrenals - and Adrenal Fatigue seems to be endemic is most Western countries.
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I had chronic fatigue for very long time .. I want to use Lugol's Iodine .. what else should I take with it .. it seems you posted too many supplements .. can it all be taken in one pill?
Chad
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Iodine Protocol Detox Symptoms
I saw an article from the Weston A. Price Foundation that may be useful to you. http://www.westonaprice.org/modern-diseases/the-great-iodine-debate/
Good luck with your health issues! Lots of us can relate :)
Two thirds through the article I saw the following excerpt from Sally Fallon's article:
"Reaction to Iodoral
“Three articles appeared recently in The Original Internist concerning clinical research with the use of iodine/iodide in megadoses. Our medical group, consisting of three MDs and one ND/Acupuncturist decided that we should try to find out whether any one of us was iodine-deficient. Our practice is in the Great Lakes region that was described as the ‘Goiter Belt' by David Brownstein. We therefore followed Brownstein's recommendation for the iodine/iodide loading test. Five individuals within our office took the test and, by the criteria outlined, we were all iodine-deficient.
“Three of us, two MDs and our Laboratory Director, then proceeded to take the 50 mg of Iodoral a day with the intention of repeating the iodine/iodide loading test after three months of treatment. After about six weeks of continuous treatment, I experienced dysphagia [difficulty swallowing], resulting in lower chest pain on swallowing both food and fluids. This was particularly marked with hot fluids, a totally new experience for me. I told the Laboratory Director that I was going to discontinue taking the Iodoral since I had concluded that it was the potential cause. To my surprise, she told me that she had experienced exactly the same symptom and had also discontinued the treatment. The other two MDs who took the treatment did not experience this symptom. Some four weeks after discontinuation of the Iodoral, we both continue to experience the same kind of dysphagia, although it is much milder. We can only conclude that we experienced some esophagitis though this has not been proved by further study.
“If this is indeed a toxic effect of the Iodoral, we concluded that it needed to be drawn to the attention of the CAM medical community. If the conclusions are correct, we should expect to hear that other ‘guinea pigs' have experienced something similar. The question remains in our minds as to whether the test outlined by Brownstein is an accurate determination of chronic iodine deficiency. It may well be that iodine has a sensitive dose relationship like that which is so well known with selenium, for example, and with other minerals. The question, put so eloquently recently by Alan Gaby is whether we are embarking on a strategy that can be toxic for some while beneficial for those sick individuals reported by Brownstein and his co-author, Guy Abraham. Indeed, as Gaby questioned later, of the 4,000 patients treated by the Michigan Clinic, how many were carefully monitored in detail for potential side effects? Since gastroesophageal reflux (GER) is mentioned in a drug commercial as a common affliction, it might be that some patients who are being treated with high-dose iodine would never conclude that GER might be related to the iodine consumption. It might not be recognized as a side effect even by a physician, since it is so remote from any expected or predicted symptom.”
-Derrick Lonsdale MD, FAAP, FACN, Westlake, Ohio The Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, April 2006
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@Bill Thank you for your comprehensive info on lugol's supplementation. Wish you both all the best.
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Yes, increasing your dosage by one drop once every two weeks is a very slow method of attaining the eventual proper recommended dose. And also remember that it will probably take about three months at 50 mgs LI a day just for your body to reach the required normal healthy levels of iodine/iodide. So if you take 2% LI increasing at one drop every two weeks then it will probably take you over a year for you to reach normal body iodine levels. If you are taking 2% LI then you should be working towards attaining 20 drops a day to get to the 50 mgs mark.
But LI dosages can be touchy with certain people. As I've explained in the past this is probably because iodine is just too good at what it does. It is both a first rate detoxer -- it can detox cadmium, lead, mercury, aluminum, arsenic, fluorine and bromine -- as well as being one of the best all round pathogen killers out there.
So whenever people get a bad reaction to LI -- perhaps due to excessive heavy metal detox or an excess pathogen kill causing the Herx -- people immediately seem to blame poor old iodine when in actual fact these people are the ones that are chock full of mercury, lead, bromine, fluorine and pathogens. Who's fault is that?
So people's reactions to iodine will always vary according to what bad things they have been putting into there own bodies for a lifetime. I was lucky when I first started taking iodine -- I had no reaction to it at all and went to 8 drops a day of 5% LI within a week(I increased dosage at 2 drops a day).
What I would do is simply increase your LI dosage by one drop every 3 days. If you do get a reaction from an increase then take one drop less next time and then stay at that dose for a week or two to allow your own body to cope with the detox or poisons from the dead pathogens(Herx). Then try upping the dose by one drop again later. And don't give up!!
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I have another question. The protocol that I just began today (after finally getting my Lugol's 2%) is very conservative in the hopes of avoiding side effects. They recommend starting with only 1 drop and then every two weeks increasing by 3 drops, until you reach the 20 needed to reach 50mg. I plotted it out on the calendar and it will take me 3 months to reach the full amount. While I do not want to deal with major side effects, I wonder if that's being a bit TOO careful. Also, I AM taking Vitamin C, selenium, and magnesium so I feel that should help as well.
Thanks for your input.
Supplementing With Lugol's Iodine
Here's how I sometimes take Lugol's Iodine -- with reasons.
In one glass of water I add a half tspn of ascorbic acid. Then I add 6 drops of 5% Lugol's Iodine. Whenever LI is added to Ascorbic Acid the molecular iodine will then be converted to iodide and some of the Ascorbic Acid is converted to Dyhydroascorbic Acid or DHA -- which is a much more highly absorbable and beneficial form of Vitamin C.
Then I add 1/4 tspn of Sodium Bicarbonate to this mix and this converts all the Ascorbic Acid and DHA to the more alkaline and useful ascorbate form.
You can also add herbs like Gymnema sylvestre tea to this mix(as a water substitute) to turn it into a highly effective antifungal. See the other useful alkaline drinks at the end of this article link.
Many on EC already know about taking lugol's iodine this way with vitamin C which, again, is according to Ted's advice.
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Can you advise whether a 50/50 mix of Lugol's Iodine with baking soda would be safe to apply to skin cancers on the scalp? And what strength? A woman reported swabbing them with that mixture three times daily for three days, and they had gone within five days. Any risk of side effects or reaction that way, for someone who has fibrillation following heart valve op. some years ago? Thank you.
Converting Lugol's Iodine
There can also be other problems if you have low zinc. For instance, if you have very low zinc and very low Vitamin B6 in your body this can also indicate a problem called kryptopyrrolurea or just plain old pyroluria. I can't really advise dosages for this problem, if you have it. Suffice to say that you will have to take massive doses of both vitamin b6 and zinc, as well as other nutrients, in order to correct it. So its best really if you can find a doctor who specializes in treating this problem, if you have it, because your zinc and b6 levels must be monitored quite frequently for dosage safety purposes.
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Lugol's Iodine for Goiter
Do not worry about calcium. Firstly, all foods contain some calcium. Cruciferous vegetables aren't even the best source. Secondly, those on a plant based diet need far less calcium than meat eaters. 600mg a day is absolutely ample (400mg is enough on a low-sodium diet, but you aren't doing that), compared with 1000mg for a meat eater.
Sources of calcium per 100g of food:
(the first 2 listed are not realistic to eat 100g - more like 10g. Also, if possible, for maximum nutrition it is always best to soak and sprout seeds, legumes etc. It makes them easily digestible and increases absorption of zinc and iron by 400%)
Dill seeds - 1516mg
Poppy seeds - 1438mg (soak to remove opiates if you eat a lot! )
Whole sesame seeds - 975mg (but these are high in oxalates so less well absorbed)
Chia seeds - 613mg (also high in omega 3! But soak and sprout them first to get rid of the gel that forms when they contact water)
Flaxseeds (aka linseeds) - 255mg (another source of omega 3! )
Carob flour - 348mg
Soya beans - 277mg
Kidney beans - 195mg
Black turtle beans - 160mg
Moth beans - 150mg
Haricot beans (of baked beans fame) - 147mg
Mung beans - 132mg
Pigeon peas - 130mg
Chickpeas - 105mg
Peanuts - 92mg
(all legumes are good sources of calcium, especially if you buy the dried ones and soak and sprout them to remove the phytic acid)
Vegetables that are not cruciferous (not including spinach, chard, parsley etc because oxalates may make the calcium harder to absorb)
Dandelion greens - 187mg
Romaine (aka Cos) lettuce - 33mg
Lambs' lettuce - 38mg
Butternut squash - 48mg (but a whole squash is about 1kg, so if you had half a roast squash that would be 240mg)
Grains:
Teff (of injera bread fame) - 180mg
wholewheat - 34mg
Brown rice - 23mg
(Most grains have small amounts of calcium like wheat and rice do, but considering that 30mg is 5% of what you need in a day, it soon contributes a significant proportion to your calcium intake.)
Fruit:
Dried figs - 162mg
Oranges - 43mg (or 60mg/medium fruit. So one orange is 10% of your calcium! )
Dates - 64mg
Papaya - 24mg (or 73mg per medium fruit)
There are many other foods that contain significant calcium, but I'm not going to list them all :D Trust that all food contains some calcium, and it will easily add up to what you need in a day, provided you eat a varied whole foods diet with plenty of legumes, seeds, fruit and veg. Don't let anyone scaremonger you into thinking that it's some terrible challenge to live on a plant based diet! From all the BS out there, anyone would think that vegans are at imminent risk of dropping dead from malnourishment every second of every day if they don't this, that or the other.
If you want to supplement calcium, there are supplements made from seaweeds that naturally are extremely rich in calcium. Most seaweeds are a good source of calcium, but I can't be bothered to find the facts write now, so you'll have to look those up yourself if you're interested :D
Just so you know I have been a vegan for 10 years, a vegetarian all my life, and have never had a filling, tooth removed, or any broken bones, so my calcium is fine.
By the way, my vegan brother, for OCD + ideological reasons, once spent several months only eating banana and butternut squash. He developed a goiter, which went down immediately upon eating brazil nuts, and was quickly cured by continuing to eat them along with kelp. The moral of the story is, make sure you get enough selenium.
I did the iodine protocol in 2014, and it gave me huge benefits for the first 6 weeks, which so far are permanent, but it plateaued quickly and gave me no additional benefits after that (but also didn't cause any harm). I had definitely been deficient in iodine and it cured my lifelong slow-transit constipation (TMI, sorry! ) and Raynaud's. I occasionally top up with a bit of iodine and selenium now and then to keep myself going (since I don't like seaweed or brazil nuts). I am now absolutely fine with eating cruciferous vegetables and soya beans, as is my brother. A healthy person should be able to eat these foods with no trouble, you don't have to avoid them once your goitre is healed.
Good luck, Vicky :)
Lugol's Iodine Side Effects
I started taking Lugol's Iodine Plus on the suggestion of two doctors. For about 6-8 weeks I took 20 drops with no ill effects. Motherearth labs suggested I go up to 30 drops and then to 40. One day I sudddenly had excruciating pain in all my upper teeth (12 on a scale of 1-10) My mouth also got badly swollen and I had other side effects.
No doctors or dentists could figure it out. It was agonizing. The pain (not the swelling) seemed to diminish in the morning, but would quickly reoccur a few hours after waking. I took the iodine shortly awakening. For some reason I decided to research side effects of Lugol's...and sure enough, severe tooth pain, mouth swelling, and other symptoms listed as "Serious...contact your doctor immediately..."
By this time I had already had the symptoms for 3 weeks. I keep a medical journal, and sure enough, the day after I went from 20 drops to about 25 drops, the symptoms appeared. And by that time I had slowly worked up to 40 drops over a period of 3 weeks. I stopped the iodine immediately, and the next day the pain went from a 12 to about a 4. Over the next 3 days the pain level went down to a 1 or 2, but would sometimes, for no reason, flair back up to a 4/5.
After being off the iodine for more then a week, I still had the tooth pain and swollen mouth. I then looked up Iodine poisoning and realized that is what had apparently happened to me. I called my Internest, who had me come in immediately and he did several tests. The results have not yet come back. It is more than 10 days since I stopped taking the iodine and I still have tooth pain ranging from 1 to 5 on a scale of 1-10, and my mouth is still swollen. Narcotics(large amounts) and other pain meds - presciption and OTC drugs have done nothing for the pain. I am miserable. How much longer are these symptoms going to continue and is there anything I can do to get rid of the pain and swelling. I'm desperate...please respond ASAP Thanks.
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Sorry, I'm not Bill, but on your question about Niacin, you may find the book "Niacin: The Real Story", by the late Dr Abram Hoffer M.D. of interest. He was a pioneer in orthomolecular dosages of Niacin (usually along with Vitamin C), for many aspects of health, e.g. psychological problems and restoring blood lipid levels to normal. For Hoffer, doses like 3g (grams) per day, divided over the day, along with good amounts of vitamin C, were normal. Like Linus Pauling, he lived and was active to a great age.
I'm not sure why Bill prefers the non-flush version; I got the impression from the book that provided people could tolerate the flush, Hoffer preferred the (usually cheaper) straight (flushing) niacin (aka nicotinic acid). It has some physiological advantages (see the book). And you get used to the flush and it is barely noticable when you've been taking orthomolecular doses for a while (as I have). (I am not currently on the iodine protocol, I should add, although I am considering it. I am actually taking most of the co-factors, just haven't started iodine yet, as I'm still monitoring my temperature over time without supplemental iodine, so as to have a good baseline to compare with when I do start supplementing. (I do find temperature monitoring a bit fiddly to be honest, and I'm not always sure I'm doing it right - that's why I'm taking my time over this).
Gyda llaw, dw i'n dysgu Cymraeg. Ydach chi'n siarad Cymraeg?
Hwyl, :-)
Mike
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I've just read your email about iodine and Bill's very comprehensive reply. I have read Bill's book on- Ph balance for life - all about alkalising, which you say you're just getting into. For years I suffered from painful thrush under my breasts and believe it's candida over growth. I tried everything from Milk of magnesia as a deodorant ( brilliant) to coconut oil but nothing helped long term. I've been using Bill and Ted's protocol from the book, lemon juice in water with bicarbonate of soda( baking soda) for about 8 weeks or so 30-60 minutes after meals, and even being in Spain last month where it was 110* in the shade so lots of sweating etc, I never once have had thrush again. And I've had small and large outbreaks very regularly for several years. I've also starting eating less acidic and more alkaline food and it really helps. So I guess it could be. Great for your candida. Good luck.
And Bill and Ted's book is very informative.
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I've been using the pH balance as suggested in the book by you and Ted and generally felt a lot better in that I've had no acid reflux. I've also been testing both saliva and urine and most days it around 7. However, I still do get nausea and wind at times and wonder if I should also be following your Gerd protocol with the Betaine etc. I've been taking Colostrum for leaky gut now for several weeks. I am struggling as when I get up I feel quite nauseous and dizzy at times and have dark rings round my eyes, especially between my brow and the crease of my eyelids, so I'm wondering if I have a sluggish liver or kidneys or both from following a Paleo diet for 12 months before I found this site and started Alkalising. During the day I'm generally fine and work in my garden or go out etc but then after sittin g for an hour or so reading before bed, I notice the dark behind my eyes has gone darker than in the day time and it's very tender. I often feel a bit nauseous then too. I know you're not a doctor but you seem very knowledgable. Any help would be most appreciated.
Also, with regards to reviewing your book, is there somewhere on this site I can review it, as I only have access to Amazon UK and I don't know if they'll let me review a book I didn't buy from them. But I'll try.
I hope Ted is on the mend. I haven't seen any new posts as to how he is. Blessings and good health to you all.
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So you will have to get rid of both the candida and the parasites to cure autism completely and this is not so easy. As well, Dr William Shaw has also found conclusive evidence from his own research that candida plus a huge variety of other bacterial species are also usually always involved in most ASD disorders as well as in many other diseases.
The point I'm making here is that you will have to use more than just lugols iodine to cure the ASD problems with your two boys.
I would therefore recommend that you use this protocol for your boys. This protocol will kill a huge variety of candida, bacteria and parasites(both large and small). This protocol uses gum turpentine which is hugely useful for killing a wide variety of pathogens and also removes biofilms. Here is what Ted from Bangkok said when I emailed him awhile ago and asked him his thoughts on using turpentine against candida:
"Yes you are right with turpentine and castor oil. I went further and safer using frankinsense and boswellic acid as the "turpentine". Hard to convince people to turpentine but they are terpenes which is also found it frankinsense and tea tree oil. And they are effective against candida and hard to kill fungus. Castor oil is a good mix but I also used myristin or undecylenic acid. Coconut oil is also good. You are on the right track. Ted"
Finally, be warned that if you use my protocol -- you will get Herx reactions that may cause strange behaviours in your two kids for short periods. This is normal and should be expected because this protocol kills large amounts of candida and other pathogens. So when they are destroyed, their toxins will naturally increase in the blood and go to the brain for a while causing strange behaviours. The same sort of reaction could also happen for the heavy metal detox from this protocol. I do not think using lugols iodine topically will help much to kill the systemic candida. There was some research done in the 1930s where they tested the absoption of iodine from the skin into the body. Their results showed that most of it evaporates from the skin and only about 4% to 8% of the iodine actually gets absorbed into the blood. And don't forget that we are not using iodine for the thyroid here -- so we need larger mg amounts of iodine to kill candida, not microgram amounts. The easiest way to find out your son's toxic heavy metal load is just to get a hair analysis done. This is fairly cheap.
Topical Use of Lugol's
I was wondering if you could comment on the effectiveness of Lugol's when used topically. I have two autistic sons, 13 and 11, and have been using nascent iodine for them because I read it is better for those who are sensitive. I do not have any specific information regarding their heavy metal load, but both had reactions after vaccinations. My oldest also struggles with yeast issues and violent tantrums.
I have no idea how to begin dosing them appropriately with Lugol's, and could not even be sure they would ingest it, and was hoping topically may help somewhat.
Thank you for any insights and suggestions,
Kate
I really do need to focus my approach. I have purchased your Candida book and will make my aim to be more thorough and consistent. When I first became ill I was grasping and rushing to try anything that seemed like it would help. Preparation for the candiada protocol and better tests will be my first steps.
With dedication, I hope to be able to report back my improvements in a few months.
Iodine Protocol Detox Symptoms
* Iodine is wonderful for heavy metal detoxing. It gets rid of aluminium, cadmium, mercury, lead and arsenic from your cells. But it doesn't end there. This means that iodine removes these heavy metals from the cells and just dumps them into your blood thus stressing the liver and causing hyper reactions because of possible re-distribution.
* Iodine can kill large amounts of candida which then break up and release high amounts of waste toxins. This effects the mind(brain fog, lethargy, low energy etc) and body(hyper reaction from the poisons).
* If you have low thyroid or hypothyroid as well then this may be another reason for lethargy, overweight, brain fog etc. The thyroid needs iodine. Be sure to take all components and companion nutrients as advised in The Iodine Protocol.
Your own protocol seems to be bits and pieces from other protocols. Before you take a protocol, you should first learn all about candida behaviour. I urge you to do this to see what you are really up against. You can find out all about candida from the candida posts on EC and other internet sites. I also wrote a book describing candida behaviour in detail and how to cure yourself called Candida: Killing So Sweetly. Here is the main anti-candida strategy that I use against candida from my book:
*Anti-Candida and Anti-Pathogen Protocols
*Anti-Biofilm Protocols
*Alkalizing Protocols
*Neutralize candida toxins in the body
*Essential Detox Protocols
*Liver Support Protocols
*Vitamin and Mineral Support (Immune System Support)
The current anti-candida protocol that I recommend you follow is shown here.
Regarding your thyroid issues -- If you get checked again I would advise that you get the proper labwork from your doc. Do not have the doc's TSH/T4 test -- this is highly inaccurate. Get the Free T3/Free T4 test which measures the active hormone in your blood(which is what you want to know). More info on proper labwork here.
I would also advise that you take Chanca piedra tea or capsules for your gallstones. Buy wildcrafted or organic quality Chanca piedra for best results.
To remedy your cravings you should drink Gymnema sylvestre tea 3 or 4 times a day. This will also help to reduce excess sugar in your blood. Supplementing Chromium and Vanadium minerals will also help you here.
Finally the proper way to take betaine and protease enzymes for GERD issues is fully described here.
Iodine Protocol Detox Symptoms
I have been trying to use Lugol's 5% iodine - I follow the protocol, but have rather bad detox reactions: heart palpitations, resting heart rate over 100, muscles feel very stressed, I feel an overall uncomfortability/restlessness, and have insomnia. I was up to 4 drops a day for about a month. At that point the symptoms were so bad I thought I would have to go to the hospital. I started heavy salt loading and the symptoms went away in a few days - thankfully. I have been trying to go back to the iodine but can only do a few days of 1 or 2 drops and the symptoms come back but never as severe as before because I do very heavy salt loading, every 30-40 minutes a half tspn. But even a week of no iodine I still have remaining symptoms - mainly high heart rate and stressed muscles. I have not had an iodine loading test, and currently do not have a GP (I have insurance but have not found an MD that has an alternative approach and can't afford an ND).
Last June I was diagnosed with gallstones. I am 34 and after research of gallstones, believe I have had gallbladder pain since 18 which I though was severe heartburn, as well as pain under rib cage and R shoulder.
Upon diagnosis, I began a strict vegan diet for 2-3 months from Healing with Whole Foods. After those months I began having extreme throat burning - the doctor diagnosed this as GERD, but it was unlike anything I had ever felt. Nothing helped - ACV, magnesium, etc. Now I believe this was fermented foods from the heavy grain diet I was on and my body not being able to digest well. After about 7 months the symptoms have abated (no more throat burning) though I still will get a lump in my throat when eating hard to digest foods. However I still feel food coming up, have gall pain, and a slow digestion. Thanks to research from earth clinic and various other orthomolecular articles, I believe the below supplements have helped.
I also took the Candida questionaire which I had a positive response from.My thyroid tests come back normal, though I still suspect hypothyroid.
I am currently taking:
B50, selenium, chromium, mag chloride, cod liver oil, dessicated liver, vit e, milk thistle, ox bile, unrefined sea salt, I just started alkalizing but I haven't had the chance to regularly do this.
I just started on Betaine HCL with pepsin again - had bad pain the first time (I wasn't doing it right).
I also just started l-glutamine (from Diet Cure book) for severe sugar cravings in afternoon/evening. I am also almost constantly hungry. I wonder if this is insulin resistance or adrenal-related?
Unfortunately my diet is not perfect - I manage unprocessed, lower-carb about 5 days a week, but with the sugar cravings I cave about once or twice a week. I will continue to try to improve this.
I also recently started trytophan and DLPA (from Diet Cure book) - so far I don't think this helps
I will start Chanca Piedra.
Overall, I do feel better than 9 months ago, but would like to continue to improve and ultimately be able to eliminate a lot of unnecessary supplements as well as get any advice on the iodine supplementation which I believe I need. I feel much more energy and less brain fog.
Thank you in advance.
Lugol's Iodine for Goiter
Regarding the cruciferous veg, I think I'm going to have to make a judgement call, as I said before with me being vegan it really is my only source of calcium, however I've stopped using it in juices and will limit myself to just eating it as the amount I could eat would not be anywhere near what I could consume if juiced, also as a vegan they are just handy vegetables to make tasty meal from, ie. Cauliflower makes a lovely Creamy sauce and also a mayonnaise etc, but I will be mind full of moderation.
And funny you should mention uterine fibroids as a few years ago I started to suffer with these, the solution was a mirena coil that distributes a tiny amount of progesterone to the uterus, this worked great, fibroids gone on an ultrasound, however I never liked the idea of it but it was that or surgery, 5 years on and I am due to have this one removed and another out in, but with this information I might not have the new one put in, increase my iodine dose and see how I get on.
Again so much information I have gained from you, it means a lot, and I'll be sure to keep you posted on my progress in the months to come.
with gratitude (a lot)
caitlin
Lugol's Iodine for Goiter
I would also take the upper dosages of Selenium, magnesium and the B vitamins(including higher dose niacin). Take 3000 mgs Vitamin C in 3 split doses of 1000 mgs per day.
Is 50 mgs of lugols a good dosage? I read people take more?
50 mgs is the normal recommended dose for thyroid problems. If you have uterine fibroids then 50 mgs to 100 mgs LI per day is usually the norm. I've also read about people taking upwards of 200 mgs LI per day for cancer problems.
Is this a for life thing?
Since your thyroid problem is undoubtedly caused by a lack of iodine, anti-oxidants and minerals in the diet -- I think that it would be both wise and advisable to continue the protocol after your thyroid problem has resolved. I've been taking the iodine protocol for about 10 years.
when you say I shouldn't worry too much about the detox does this mean I can ditch the revolting salt loading?????
If you've been detoxing with the salt loading protocol for a while then you can certainly stop this protocol and see how it goes. But if you particularly start to develop skin problems and other excess bromine detox symptoms then I would restart the salt loading protocol.
Lugol's Iodine for Goiter
Thanks for such a prompt reply, I am a vegan of 4 months so the only calcium in my diet is what I get from vegetables, I don't eat soy products or fortified processed food, I have to say if I don't eat any cruciferous/calcium rich vegetables I will hardly be getting any calcium and plus I will be missing out on other vital nutrients that these food provide on a vegan diet, does this put me in a dilemma? Is it only for the short term whilst I am correcting my goiter? Should I avoid them like the plague or should I not beat myself up if some slip in? Really don't know what to do for the best, I'm happy to be guided.
When I say I am taking the lower end of the companion supplements these are the amounts (lower figure of selenium, magnesium, vit c)
Selenium: 200 - 400 mcg per day
Magnesium: 400 - 1200 mg per day
Vitamin C: 3,000 - 10,000 mg per day
Vitamins B2/B3 (ATP CoFactors): 100 mg riboflavin and 500 mg no flush niacin, inositol hexanicotinate form, 1-2x per day
Unrefined Salt (Celtic): 1/2 tsp. or more per day
I have based this on the fact that my multi nodular goiter is not very big, it gives me no bother, and I don't take meds. however if you think I should up them then this will not be a problem, obviously I just had to get started and did not want to go blazing into the full dose straight off the bat. also I had a look at dr brownsteins supplements and they are not cost effective here in the uk, but I noticed that in his magnesium supplement he has also included 300mg of PABA which I am also taking.
Is 50mg of lugols a good dosage? I read people take more?
Is this a for life thing? :ets say goiter shrinks, thyroid levels normalise, do I always have to take iodine? if so do I always have to take the companion supplements?
Sorry for so many questions, but as you are probably aware thyroid patients rarely got support from mainstream medics, I'm just looking for a nod to say I'm heading in the right direction. Thanks so much
Caitlin
PS. when you say I should worry too much about the detox does this mean I can ditch the revolting salt loading????? please say yes :-)
Lugol's Iodine for Goiter
Because you have goiter, this means -- from the research -- that you have excess hydrogen peroxide free radicals being produced in your thyroid which are not being quenched by the glutathione peroxidase enzyme. This produces corrupted proteins in the thyroid which results in an auto-antibody reaction by the immune system and goiter formation. That's why selenium is so key in this problem because selenium is the main central atom for glutathione peroxidase. If you don't have enough selenium everyday in your diet then you will not be able to manufacture enough glutathione peroxidase to help protect your thyroid against these free radicals which manifests in goiter formation. I describe all the companion nutrients and more in this Google doc. To further help you, here is a document on how to supplement lugol's iodine by Stephanie Buist who follows Dr Brownstein's recommendations on lugol's supplemetation.
Lastly, I would urge you to actively reduce dairy and cruciferous vegetables in your diet. Do not take calcium supplements if you are taking the iodine protocol to recover your thyroid. Both dairy and cruciferous veg contain high amounts of calcium. If you eat too much of these products then excess calcium will build up in your blood and this will act to inhibit the transport and absorption of iodine into the thyroid and the body. This is also why you should also take magnesum(as recommended in the companion nutrients) because magnesium helps to regulate calcium in the body. Magnesium, in an enzyme together with tyrosine, is also responsible for actively storing iodide from the blood as iodine in the thyroid...Like one of many cogs in an important machine.
Lugol's Iodine for Goiter
Caitlin
Converting Lugol's Iodine
Calculated from mgs per drop. Drop size is the same for both and so is irrelevant.
6.25/2.5
Ratio is 1:2.5
So to convert from 5% to 2% lugols iodine, add one part by volume of 5% LI to a container then add 2.5 parts by volume of water. This will give you a 2% lugols sotution.
Perhaps an easier way to understand it is by drop dose equivalence.
Examples:
1 drop 5% LI = 6.25 mgs iodine
1 drop 2% LI = 2.5 mgs iodine
So 2 drops of 5% LI (12.5 mgs total iodine) is equivalent to 5 drops (12.5/2.5) of 2% LI.
And 8 drops of 5% LI (50 mgs iodine) is equivalent 20 drops (50/2.5) of 2% LI.
I hope this isn't too confusing!
Converting Lugol's Iodine
I started out with 2 drops of iodine twice a day because I had taken another iodine previously which did not produce the benefits promised by Lugols. I also started ACV at the same time and began having diarrhea. I have colitis and have to follow a diet which had cured the diarrhea I had had for 20 years. I assumed the ACV had caused the diarrhea. After a week without it, I'm still getting diarrhea in pretty substantial amounts, even using Lugols at 1 or 2 drops a day.
Alice, not trying to pry, but have your gut issues been affected by Lugols, if you have used it as you described? And have you experienced the promised benefits? And Bill, I noticed your comment about Iodoral being good for those with gut issues. I used Iodoral for years without noticing much benefit, while having the stomach problems, that is, before I found the diet which cleared them up. So I don't know if the Iodoral helped or hurt. I use all the recommended companion nutrients, though I have not heard of the salt loading before. I'm not anxious to use the turpentine, since it is supposed to have a laxative effect.
