Traditional Chinese Medicine Remedies at Home!

Hi Sue, Wow! That is awesome! I am so happy you took this step and had someone help guide you. It really makes a difference. Sometimes we just keep trying things aimlessly- at least I've done that. Still, I don't think that goes to waste as I've learned so much in the process!

I have to say though, I feel incredible with my Chinese herbs. Long ago I used them to restore my health because I'd completely blown out my adrenals. I went to Dragon Herbs and a very wise woman diagnosed me there. Then I stopped using them once I was better. Well, when I attended the Longevity back in April I had the chance to hear Ron Teeguarden speak. He's the founder of Dragon Herbs and he talked about the most superior way of using the herbs is to take them as adaptogens so the body never goes to a place of severe illness. You can use herbs to restore the health once it's been lost but that is an inferior way of health. That makes so much sense! So, I went there and asked for help from them once more and have been on a protocol ever since. I can feel such a vital change.

I would love to hear what 3 formulas he suggested if you don't mind. I know it won't be long before you feel the difference! They are so amazing. Bravo to you! Lisa

Hi Lisa, Your encouragement re taking the Chinese herbs is wonderful! I can hardly wait to get started myself and thanks for the information about being able to call Dragon Herbs for a free phone consultation. What a gift!

With your experience using Chinese medicine, did you drop conventional supplements etc. , when you began your own protocol? (I take two Isocort in the mornings just to get going and also two Stress End.)

I think I will 'play it by ear' and see how I feel when I begin the 8 Immortals which should arrive next week. My main concern is not to overdo supplementation, because if I do, I cannot sleep at night at all, and that is simply worse than anything else for me because of the fatigue and inability to relax the next day. I try to learn from my mistakes but sometimes I slip up with my sensitive system! Oh to be perfect...(smile)

Thanks again Lisa, and goodluck to Sue also... Sounds as though we may have a few similar problems but there is Light at the end of the tunnel! I am so grateful for this site! Thank you E. C! Meg

Hi Meg, I'm sure you're excited about the 8 Immortals arriving! I can't wait to hear your feedback on it. Give it at least a week although, I'm sure you'll feel a difference before that. Is that the only formula you're getting? It is quite complete in itself. In my case, because I also just had stem cell therapy and am trying to support that process to its fullest capacity, I went to Ron himself and asked him what would be the best for that. His response immediately was deer antler. He said it's like the stem cell therapy of Chinese medicine. So, I take that additionally. I also use their shilajit since I believe in either fulvic acid, humic acid or shilajit. The other place I put great faith in is Omica's products because I have met Raffy, the creator of them as well and he has such high integrity I would recommend his products to anyone, hands down. So, I'll go between his fulvic acid or shilajit and Dragon Herbs.

You asked me if I take anything else besides my herbs. It's funny because my husband and I were just having this discussion last week. We've tried it all! He said after all the different supplements we've tried, super foods, etc. , the only thing he's felt a real profound difference has been from our Chinese herbs. I really have to agree! We have stopped taking anything else except for Betaine with my meals. On that note, I should probably just can the cupboard shelves full of various supplements!

Also, I too was having such problems with sleeping soundly. But since being on my Chinese herbs, I not only sleep very soundly but get up very early ready to start my day easily. I will be curious to see if you see that change. Remember, these are powerful adaptogens so they help each person's body individually to balance in its own unique way. I have definitely seen those effects in myself and my husband.

I look forward to hearing from you, Lisa

Hi Lisa, can you let me know which brand of shilajit do you use?

Hi Susan, Well, currently I use Dragon Herbs shilajit but I have also really liked Omica's as well. The DH is nice because it's in capsules so convenient for me to take with me to use on the go. Both companies have the finest products. Have met both owners/ formulators and they are of the highest integrity. Hope this helps. Lisa

Hi Lisa.... He prescribed OptDigest (Item#306) 2 capsules 4 to 6x's a day. Said I have compromised my digestion and that I need to take more, at least for a month, to start getting back on track. The other two are Bupleurum & Peony (Item#450) 4 cap a day, and Rehmannia Six Combination (Item#326) 4 cap a day. Eric said it was easier to type in Item#... Lol. I think, from my read, that the 3 will be a good combo. I'll be sure to let you and Meg know how they're working. Thanks so much again!!!

Hi Lisa and Susan, Thought you might like to know that I had a phone appt. with Dragon Herbs this morning and recommended products for my issues are: Optidigest, Return to Youth, and Goji and Schizandra. It was the first time in 20 years that I found someone who was able to not only understand what I was trying to describe in my somewhat scattered way, but he explained to me exactly what I was dealing with and how Traditional Chinese Medicine is able to deal with contradictory patterns in the body. I am thrilled to pieces and can't wait to get started when my products arrive!

Thank you so much Lisa and Susan for your timely tips and information. One of the nicest things about this site is the support being offered to everyone, one way or another. We all need it, that's for sure. I will be in touch again soon. My gratitude always, Meg

Hi Susan and Meg, So glad to hear your experiences were both so positive. They have always been so patient and helpful I didn't expect otherwise. Still, it is good to hear your feedback. It makes sense that both of you would be given Optidigest as my acupuncturist would always say to me "Stomach is so important! Digestion not good, health not good! " So he would always treat my stomach first before moving onto other organs.

Rehmannia is excellent for restoring/ maintaining kidney health. That will be a noticeable difference especially if you have low back pain, urination issues, low energy. And Meg, my husband loves his goji and schizandra! It has made a big difference in his eyes. Ron Teeguarden said his teacher would say that if he could only use one herb, it would be schizandra! I haven't used Return To Youth, but looking at the herbs in the formula, yes, it has it all!

So, now, just remember, you MUST use them on a regular basis. Then you will see the results. One of the biggest mistakes all the people at Dragon Herbs say is, people get the herbs and then they don't take them! The results are real- I feel the impact on my life from them.

Congratulations again, on taking the steps to restoring optimum health. Wishing you both the very best in health, Lisa

Hi Meg, Would you be willing to say how much this entire process has cost? Thank you. It sounds very helpful and interesting but many of us need a ballpark number to know if we can afford it before we would call.

Hi...I know you addressed your question to Meg, but thought I would let you know how much my cost is going to be for my Dragon Herbs. I am getting 3 products, but on 2 of the products, I will be receiving 2 bottles. My cost was $105.52. My representative from Dragon Herbs suggested I take more than what is suggested on bottle, because he feels like I need to do that for the first month... Possibly for the first 3 months. He said my order will last me 25 days. I also want you to know that I didn't order right at the time I talked with him. I asked him to save the information and that I would call back with my order within a couple of days. I wanted to do some processing and further reading of what he recommended. Needless to say, I called back that afternoon.. Lol To offset the cost, except for my healthy fats and magnesium, I won't be taking any other supplements. Gonna give the Chinese Herbs my full attention. Hope this helps.

Hello Uniontown, I would be happy to... The three different formulations I will be taking soon are around $21-30 per bottle for 100 x 500gr capsules. So it would all depend on your particular needs as to what you would spend. The herbalist I spoke to was very professional and helpful, and was able to explain my situation to me in a way that made perfect sense to me. There was never any pressure to buy anything at all, only suggestions as to what formulations would help me, and with explanations as to why they would help me. The consultation was free, with an invitation to call back in a month or so if I wanted to. After Lisa's recommendation and personal experience regarding Chinese herbs, and my own subsequent research, I feel confident about taking the herbs and am eagerly awaiting their arrival. Hope this helps you make a decision. Sue from Worden, in her email above, also mentions prices. Thank you Sue! Cheers, Meg

Hi Meg and Sue, Thank you so much for posting your experiences and costs of the Chinese medicine. It seems reasonable considering they also provide a consultation, as well. Let us know how you are doing with the herbs. And thank you Lisa, for bringing all this to our attention.

Hi Rswuniontown, I'm happy both Meg and Sue replied. It's good for them to give feedback on their experience with all of this to help strengthen my testimonies on all the good effects I have felt. I think their consultation alone is worth the price since there comes a point where one feels like you're just stabbing in the dark trying to find the answers sometimes! If it interests you, you can always just call for a consultation. You are not obligated at all to buy! I appreciate that. There have been times when I was strapped financially and when I told them so, they suggested just one if that was all I could afford which would offer the best bang for my buck as they say. Anyway, I'm glad you at least inquired. Best to you, Lisa

Hi Sue, Well, I would first ask that you find out who the Chinese herbalist is that you would be consulting locally and what their background/ years of experience is. I have been fortunate since I am here in LA, to have amazing Chinese herbalists both locally and at Dragon Herbs. I guess you could say, I have the best of both worlds.

I think Dragon Herbs are world-class herbal remedies and would not hesitate to recommend them as the finest quality available. I know for certain they will do phone consultations and then recommend a program tailored to your specific needs. It would be done by asking you a series of questions. On the other hand, to visit a Traditional Chinese medicine Dr., they would be able to look at your tongue, look at your eyes, take your pulses of which there are six pulses! It is quite an art to be able to read these pulses as one must be quite sensitive to tune into each one and diagnose based on them. Did you go on the dragon herbs website? I am actually going to give you the link to the page on how to get started from there: http://www.dragonherbs.com/gettingstarted.asp

Anyway, I hope this helps. If you have more questions, feel free to ask. Lisa

Hello! I am from St. Louis. I order herbs online, but also noticed a Chinese Herbal practitioner the other day in Creve Coeur by my dentist's office. Thinking to go see him! It's at Four Seasons Shopping Center (strip mall). Hope this helps?

Hi Sue and anyone else interested in Chinese herbs, I thought you might find this audio interview of Ron Teeguarden speaking on Chinese herbs for our health very interesting. He is a master of Chinese herbalism. In it he speaks on reishi and chaga as powerful body adaptogens.

This may give you some insight into the power of herbs. Best to you, Lisa

Hi Sue, I checked out the website for the TCM Dr. you found and she looks great. Good credentials and years of experience. My TCM Dr. is from Korea and he is amazing. I would definitely consider going for a visit and seeing how you feel with her.

Well, as you know since you have gotten Dragon Herbs, you can learn a lot from Ron Teeguarden and much of his staff. If you just go to their website there is so much information to learn from right up there. Check it out carefully! In the catalog and literature section, you will see all the past magazines online. That is a treasure trove. I have hard copies of them. Under Herbalism and Philosophy you will learn the premise of this amazing practice. Under herbs, you will see the Chinese herbs listed with their qualities. The book Ron wrote is available on the website, "The Ancient Wisdom of Chinese Tonic Herbs" is an excellent book and one I have read and always use to refer to. You might want to consider getting that to educate yourself. Never be afraid to ask the consultant questions if you don't understand what they mean. Like, "What do you mean, I have too much jing?" And of course, just working with the TCM Dr. you will get an education. I always ask my Dr. to explain what he is needling me for? and how are my pulses? Can you show me on the chart which meridians you're working on? Etc. That is how I have learned a lot.

Anyway, I hope this helps. Feel free to ask me any other questions you may have. I'm so proud of you for going forward with this! Bravo! Lisa

Hi Sue, So this was rather timely since you had asked about how you could learn more on TCM. I received this today in my email which is David Wolfe explaining the three treasures, Jing, Shen and Chi:

Never did hear back if you were able to make an appt. With the TCM Dr.You gave me the link to look at. I had also meant to add based on what you said in your last post, I don't think the 8 Immortals would be too much at all. As a matter of fact, when I first started on my Chinese Herbs protocol, I used 8 Immortals and Duanwood Reishi! Now I'm taking 8 Immortals and began taking the Goji LBP 40 after reading about it on Sunday. It's been 5 days and I see amazing changes in my skin. I'm really excited about it and am being religious about taking it. I'll report changes as they occur with this herb. Hope you're doing great! Lisa

Dear Lisa from Thousand Oaks, I looked at the website that you have linked. I have seen your link 4 times in a few hours of random reading of EC. The link is to a commercial site with some high prices to readily available products.

I would hate to see EC become an advertisers link-o-rama. Please consider the benefit of a truely non-commercial health site when you post! Or, for the benefit of all, research and post additional links which sell the same products at lower cost.

Thanks, Taffy

Lisa, thanks again for your post. I plan to make an appointment this week. Can't plan too far in advance, because of my mom. I received a phone call Friday afternoon, from the nursing home.... Giving me the impression that she may not make it till I got up there. I found my heart racing, my anxiety level rising and decided to take an additional 1/4 tsp. Of the 8 Immortals. Within 20 minutes, I could feel the calm settle over me and was able to finish the drive up there without the feeling of my nerves getting the best of me. So, thanks to you, and educating and sharing your knowledge of Chinese herbs, I'm handling my life and health in a state of balanced calm. Will continue with my reading...")

And to Taffy: I do not mean this in a mean venue, but whenever someone from this website has shared their first-hand knowledge of their experiences, sometimes their knowledge will come from those sites that do advertise "selling of products". There has to be a jumping off point to one thing leading to another. I have found that true, for me, in anything I do research on.

Hi Taffy, I understand your concern and thank you for pointing that out. The sites though are loaded with very valuable information and my thought is, no one has to buy anything. If they feel the information is of value and they see a product is of value, they certainly have the freedom to do their own research and find items elsewhere. I know I do that all the time although with the Chinese herbs, I know these are the finest quality so don't bother since I've tried in the past. Quite honestly, the herbs of this value are equally expensive or even more and I don't want inferior herbs which are not uncommon. I know Dr. Mercola always sells products on his site but his information is still of high value to me. I read what he has to say and don't feel compelled to buy anything from him.

Again, thanks for your input. Lisa

Taffy - While I can understand your concern about commercialism on Web sites, the knowledge Lisa provides is incredibly beneficial. Just absorb the information - do with it what you will. You don't have to buy anyone's supplements or products. I get alternative medicine newsletters all the time. Sometimes I buy the product - most times I don't because I prefer buying local but I buy as an informed consumer because I read up on it. As for asking Lisa to do some research and supply Web sites that are either non-commercial or that offer cheaper alternatives, well, that's the wonder of Google. Do an internet search and find out what product is best for you (always remember quality costs more). I doubt very much that you will find any Web site that isn't selling something. Good luck!

Hi Sue, I'm so sorry to hear about the stressful situation with your mom. I am happy to hear that you felt the positive results from the 8 Immortals. I am loving that combination. We went to the Dragon Herbs tonic bar this afternoon and it was amazing. I had my pulses and tongue checked and was told I should take the goji/ schizandra formula so I got that. We also had amazing samples and a delicious invigorating tonic drink. Really great people show up there too so there's stimulating conversation to partake in as well. I thought of you as I looked at all the books they had on display. I just know you would love the energy there. Anyway, you are in my thoughts and sending you positive energy! Lisa

Hey Sue, So glad that you had their counsel! It really is very helpful. I'm so glad to hear you're feeling the benefits of the Chinese herbs. Isn't it great? And you're running, no less! I have so much energy and sleep like a baby at night. I feel like my body is finally coming together so I just joined a gym so that I can really rehab my hip with swimming. It's day 2 and I can feel the strength of my legs and hips returning!

And like you, I am now down to just my Chinese herbs, fermented foods and betaine HCL. Making life simpler and better... Yea! Lisa

Hi Sara, Ho Shou Wu is pernicious if taken raw or in large quantities, even if it is processed properly. It would have some side effects if used for a length of time, like over 2 months, namely liver damage. It is most commonly taken for white hair treatment. I would not take it without the supervision of an herbalist.

Sara: Fo ti is the raw version. This is not good. He sho wu is the properly prepared version. This is good. A 70 year old man in Arizona works all day in his herbal business and on his ranch with his lovely wife of 50 years. Every day he takes he sho wu, hu zhang, and jiaogulan.

I experimented taking Fo Ti supplement for hair growth. My hair loss seemed to be disease related. Among the reviews, there seemed to be a lot of success. I'd like to take MSM but due to the side effects, I can't take MSM. Tried numerous times.

The medical community treats hair loss as just a non medical vanity problem. I don't agree. There is something in the body which has broken down and not working. I am convinced that hair growth solutions will be solved with natural methods. I don't agree that testosterone causes it either. I don't believe the hair roots permanently die either. I know mine are alive. I have no doubt the body can repair itself. I think once the mystery of hair growth is resolved, the lies surrounding the issue will fall also. I have no problems strengthening the existing hair.

I tried it and had to stop taking it after a week due to sickening side effects. They say it is anti-aging herb but I think if it kills you quickly, technically it has stopped aging.

Still interested in experimenting with it but is there an extract of the active ingredient with minimal side effects. Maybe experiment with He Shou Wu. What do you think is most healthy way to approach this experiment.

Lisa, This video is just great! ... Thank you... I could listen to Ron Teeguarden all day, every day, I find him so interesting. I am taking the herbs mentioned in my various herbal formulas now, and I am so glad to report that I am definitely feeling a difference, even after just a few days. I am coming from a long way below 'normal' strength, and the best way to describe my feeling is one of 'soft energy'... No feeling of artificial stimulation at all. I believe I am on the right track for me at last and can only get better and better. Thank you again for all your kindness to me and all. Meg

Hi Meg, So glad to hear you have started on your Chinese herb formulas! I love the way you describe how you feel. It's a good description. Calm energy. Not like when you keep drinking coffee to keep yourself going. I did that for years and then about 9 years ago, I couldn't do it anymore. It always worked and then one day, boom! Everytime I'd try drinking coffee in the afternoons for a boost it would absolutely backfire on me. I felt edgy and irritable, a little shaky. Unfocused as I tried to teach... I probably blew out my adrenals way back then from too much coffee!

So, as you take your herbs over time you will feel yourself increasingly stronger, able to keep going in a steady fashion, your skin will change to a healthy glow and as I wrote yesterday to someone, my voice is strong and no more throat issues. I can feel my chi growing...I was excited to watch that video because those are the herbs I've been taking! It just made me feel more resolute in my use of them.

Again, congratulations on beginning your path to "radiant health" as Ron puts it! Keep me posted, I can't wait to hear about the changes you will experience. Blessings on you, Lisa

Thanks for the link, Lisa. I enjoyed watching Ron and learning. I wanted to share with you, Meg, and everyone my experience so far with my combo of tonic herbs. I started taking them late Wed. Morning (that's when they came.. *smile*) and felt so good Thur. Morning that I exercised. That is not an unusual activity for me, but I did interval walking/jogging. I really felt good the rest of the day, but when I woke up Fri. , I felt absolutely terrible. Couldn't name anything specific, except for extreme fatigue. I thought the herbs were doing a form of detox. So, I called Dragon Herbs and talked with a senior consultant and she told me I overdid it with the exercise. The herbs do not cause you to have any form of a detox. I didn't feel better until the next morning. I have been great since then (I'm on day 5, and walking briskly... Lol). The consultant said that the herbs make you feel so good, that you have a tendency to overdo things. It meant so much to me to be able to "speak" with someone and have some guidance as to what was going on. She also told me that I had to give the herbs at least 100 days to totally do what they're suppose to do. She also told me to check back with her in 2 weeks to see if I needed adjusting with quanity of what I was taking. Love this company! Love the herbs! Thanks again, Lisa.

Hi Sue! Wow! Great feedback! Yes, I have made that same mistake! It is reassuring to know you have them to contact to help understand what is going on. I have done that in the past. And yes, 100 days is what they say. As a matter of fact, I was just saying to my husband yesterday how amazing his skin looked. His response was, it had been more than 100 days on goji/ schizandra and it is said those two herbs/ fruits will completely change your skin. I started calculating how long I have been consistently taking my herbs and it's been 5 months or approximately 150 days!

The other day we were in our Do-It Center and the cashier was having a difficult time reading our items. She turned to us and said how awful her eyes were- dry, scratchy, irritable and as a result, had a difficult time reading. My husband said he totally knew what she was talking about. She even told us that she'd had laser surgery to try to correct the problem at a cost of $12,000 and it had only exacerbated the problem! And on top of it, she is back to using her glasses which the laser was supposed to help since the dryness still made it difficult to see clearly. Ouch... We told her about goji/ schizandra and how it had completely corrected that issue for him. Well, she did get the formula and couldn't believe it! Needless to say, she was thrilled and couldn't believe it. So amazing!

Anyway, I know you will continue to feel better each day with your herbs. I know I do and look forward to taking them, knowing their magic. May you be blessed beyond belief, Lisa

Update to my original submission. It is now 6 weeks since I first posted about Pai-da (pat/slap) and La-jin (stretch tendons). I have continued to practice Lajin daily for 20 minutes on each leg. I have done Paida whenever my hands can take it as they get sore. The more Paida I do the easier the stretch gets.

Now as soon as I stretch I often (not always) get a mad itch in my joints (elbows and knees). It radiates out a little on each side. The itch lasts less than a minute but feels like a lot longer because I can not scratch it! This seems to me like a good sign of improved circulation. For the most part, the first 15 -18 minutes I just feel the pull of the stretch (no real pain). Then the last 2-5 minutes it either gets very uncomfortable or I just continue to feel the stretch. My feet and part of my calves always feel like lead weights and full of pins and needles by the end of the stretch. My arms still hurt a lot while getting out of the stretch but It is a much quicker recovery time.

Hongchi Xiao is a man on a mission to bring this simple to do Paida and Lajin method to everyone. He says that as babies and toddlers we are very flexible, as we age, we begin to stiffen-up. Then as we get older we stiffen-up more, then the ultimate stiffness is when we die! So his goal is to keep people flexible into old age. Blood clots (my interpretation) build up in our meridians and cause stiffness. Paida breaks up the blood clots (Sha) which results in better meridian flow and the body being more flexible when we stretch.

Maureen

Hi Maureen, Thank you for your info on paida & lajin. I have started doing it. Anybody & everybody who is serious about wanting to get well should try it, it just takes effort & dedication & does not cost anything. A lot of people on this website are looking for cures & you do not need all the fancy sugestions to get cured, paida & lajin is the solution. Once again thanks.

Hi Louwrence from Rustenburg, North West, South Africa. Thank you for trying and posting about Paida and Lajin. I expect more people will try it soon as it is an amazing free self healing technique. Hopefully you will post about your experience after practicing it for a while. Here is a very informative 10 page PDF article that you can download for free, I found it just a few days ago. I think you will like it.

http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/22136023/1414944784/name/E-Dao La-Jin & Pai-Da Self-Healing Techniques.pdf

Maureen

Hi Maureen, Thanks a lot for the info on the pdf on paida & lajin because I tried to order one from ebay & they were sold out & in any case it would have taken a month + to get here & at least it makes a couple of things clearer. Much obliged.

Thank you for posting. I just started doing Paida Lajin (1 week ago) wow what an amazing difference. I am deeply grateful. I would love to hear others experiences of trying it.