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Ten years ago I tore the meniscus in my right knee. If I was careful, I could manage the pain, but could no longer do the hiit exercises that I enjoyed. No jumping or squatting, or I would be up all night from the pain. I tried all the supplements that Barbara wrote about, plus all the types of collagen. Every time that I thought I sensed improvement, I would get more adventurous with my exercising only to find out quickly that I had been wrong.
Two months ago, I started taking 6 grams of vitamin-c to see if it would help me to avoid covid. One day, I realized that my knee felt better, so once again I tried adding the exercises that had caused painful flareups over the last ten years. Nothing happened. I gradually became more aggressive, but the knee held up. I am now back to doing routines that I had to stay away from for so long, including some of Cathe Friedrich's advanced step workouts, which had been totally off-limits. There are times that I feel a little bit of soreness, but it is always short-lived.
I don't know why it has worked, but I am grateful.
Pain
Excitotoxins in Vitamin C
Sepsis
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/could-deadly-infections-be-cured-vitamin-c-180963843/
EC: Interesting. Here is his exact protocol used in hospitals: https://www.evms.edu/uploads/magazine/9-4/downloads/Sepsis-dosing-strategy-Feb-2017[1].pdf
Pain
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Vitamin C is a miracle. Look into the vitamin C protocol
How to Make Lypospheric Vitamin C
Back to lipospheric vitamin C. If you want to make the molecule small enough to bypass digestion, you cannot do it at home. It requires very expensive, powerful machines which smash the molecules together with enough force to break their bonds and cause changes in their ionic confluence, creating a nanitic encapsulation. this thorough and violent kind of maceratation is only achieved in a lab. What you are making at home is merely ordinary, hopefully well-buffered vitamin C. Ordinary as in it still goes through the gut to be up-taken. That is the fact. Only one company makes this form of vitamin C properly. It is about $30 and is only available on their website or on Amazon. The company is called Liv-on Labs.
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Why A Sick Body Needs So Much Vitamin C
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I take MANY grams of vitamin C every day, and have to take ascorbic acid powder (I put it in capsules because it will dissolve your teeth, as it did my parents') -- I cannot tolerate the sodium in sodium ascorbate, and neither that nor calcium ascorbate or others "pack enough punch" to do what I need, which is to stop edema. I just want to say here that over the years of taking ascorbic acid powder I have checked different sources and noticed that when GMO corn became prevalent (I think it was in the 1990s) I ran into ascorbic acid powder that gave me stomach aches, and had to seek out sources that claimed to be purified of all traces of corn -- Nutribiotic brand USED TO be made in the US and claimed like "16 stages of purification" on its label, with a big NO GMO sign. For a couple of years now, however, it is apparently mfrd in China, so I am wary, but it seems ok for me -- but Bronson makes a powder that seems the same to me, and is considerably cheaper.
Sources
Vitamin C Wonders
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I was suffering from hairfall for almost 2 years. I read on the internet that 5,000 mcg of Biotin daily is helpful and started having it. Initially hairfall reduced but started again after 4 months.
So I went to the doctor and he asked me to take iron, folic acid and multivitamin for 6 months. he said hairfall will stop in these 6 months but it did not, though it did reduce.
Finally I went to Homeopathy doctor. From the 1st month itself my hairfall reduced drastically and stopped completely in 7-8 months. I think homeopathy was very effective and my hair has also grown back. People have commented that my hair is looking thicker than before.
How to Make Lypospheric Vitamin C
For me, I use 32oz PowerAid plastic bottles. I get good premix by shaking several times. I add a few pinches of Sea Salt to purified water, shake, then add Ascorbic Acid and shake several times, then add 3 spoons of Sun lecithin or 6 spoons of Soy lecithin and shake many times, chill in fridge then shake some more and finally sonicate for 3 minutes and stir almost constantly.
As for the herbals, you will need to repeat the Black Walnut Complex several times and also keep doing other herbs like Garlic, Oregano Oil, Black Cumin Seed Oil, and occasional Turpentine, fallowed by Zapping to keep the infection levels down and your blood up.
As for building the Liver an herbal combination of Milk thistle, Artichoke, and Turmeric plus Cooked or Raw Liver plus Alpha Lipoic Acid.
How to Make Lypospheric Vitamin C
Can you help me with the directions for the Lyposheric Vit C? I have tried to make it twice. The first time I used soy lecithin.
Then I read it should be sunflower lecithin. So the 2nd time I tried with sunflower lecithin. It is watery, and I think it should be more like eggnog consistency? Which lecithin do you use? Soy or sunflower? Also, is this correct, or can you suggest a better way?:
I heated a cup of distilled water, put 3T lecithin powder in it, stirred with a wood spoon. Let it sit in the mug for 3 hours. Then heated 1/2 cup distilled water and put 1T sodium ascorbate, stirred with a wood spoon. Let it sit for 3 hours. Then put them both together in the nutribullet for about 20 seconds. Then poured it into the ultrasonic cleaner. Turned it on, stirred with wood spoon, then closed the lid and kept turning it on for a total of 20 minutes, stirring for about a minute, every 5minutes, then closing the lid in between. Then after 20 minutes I poured it into a glass jar and put it in the refrigerator.
Then I took a tsp of it this morning. Did I make it correctly? What should I do differently? And also should I use ascorbic acid or sodium ascorbate? Next question, my liver is in bad shape. I think I should do a liver cleanse. I just finished today the parasite cleanse that you mentioned: a bottle of black walnut herbal combination by n atures a nswer.
My right side is swollen and sore still from an injury, but also my organs weren't doing well to begin with because of the Lymes, etc.
I appreciate your advice, and knowledge, I know you told me to make the Vit C a long time ago, it just took me a while, but yay!
I am finally making it! Just need your guidance. Thank you, hope things are a bit better for you today! -Steph
According to experiments, "In two normal young adults the rate of urinary excretion of ascorbic acid, during controlled conditions of vitamin C [ascorbic acid] depletion and saturation, was consistently lower during periods of administration of NaHCO3 to produce an alkaline urine, than when NH4C1 was given to produce an acid urine."
NaHCO3 is sodium bicarbonate, or baking soda. Vitamin C excretion was LOWER when baking soda was given, not higher as Elaine concluded from the fact that she had some bruising.
Baking soda helps one retain vitamin C.
Loose Neck
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I was actually was trying to find where I read about vitamin C and Collagen so I can share it with a friend, so I came to this section.
I noticed the info about vitamin C in high doses displacing metals: calcium, nickel, copper, zinc, maganese . (Hopeflully I don't have to worry about this because I try to put a distance between my Vitamin C and other vitamins).
Does this mean that if I have metal or heavy metal overload, I can purposely detox them by taking extra Vitamin C?
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Vitamin C Wonders
I say young because Dr. Pauling was age 93 when he went out with prostate cancer. All men will get prostate cancer if they live long enough.
I seriously doubt that you will live to be age 93 let alone make the contributions this man has made to society. I will not tell you what I think of your post but suggest that you read more and post less.
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Vitamin C Wonders
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Liposomal Vitamin C
As you look around for an ultrasonic cleaner, perhaps what I learned will be of help. Many cleaners shut off at three minutes. I would avoid those as they're not made to run continuously for 20 to 30 minutes at a time. Also, most small ultrasound units don't have a removable tank. The transducer is attached to the tank like a coil to a loudspeaker cone. On your smaller units, the entire machine must be picked up and tilted to pour out the contents. There's no pouring lip so pouring can be messy. When pouring your mixture from the cleaner, pour quickly into a wide container or bowl. Then pour from there into your storage container. Also, the timer indicates how durable the unit is. Mine is only a 35 Watt unit with a variable timer that runs up to 8 minutes. I sometimes have to process the lecithin for half an hour per batch. To keep the level in the tank around inch deep, as recommended, on a small unit like mine, that means splitting the batch into two. Run one batch of 6 to 8 ounces for half an hour, then let the cleaner cool for at least half an hour, then run your second batch. The small units are not meant to run for long periods of time. Low power units have to run longer and at a shallower depth to make good liposomal C. In my opinion, both units from Harbor Freight that are mentioned in the Bradley recipes are of too low a wattage. They will burn out sooner because you have to process longer than they were designed for.
Amazon now offers a 1.4 liter 60 watt unit with a 30 minute timer which leads me to think it's more durable than most low power units. If I had a choice today that is what I'd buy. Around $58 including shipping.
On larger units, a tank is filled with water and the container with the lecithin in it is set in that. Heavy duty ultrasound units have heaters built in, jewelry cleaners don't. Watch the temperature, warm is good, hot is not. If your unit has a heater and the solution starts to get too warm, place your container in an ice bath to cool it down so you can keep processing it in one operation.
I wish you great success,
Heinz
Lypospheric Vitamin C
LET is Liposomal Encapsulation Technology.
On the "state of affairs" previous post may I also include "Epitaph" by King Crimson, "Rust Never Sleeps" by Neil Young, and "what's going on, what's going on, I really don't believe what's going on" by Al Stewart.
Your concern is very much appreciated and I wish you strength & courage in your journey.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Meanwhile, I hope both you guys are winning but can someone tell me what LET stands for?
Nickie
Liposomal Vitamin C
I hope Rsw caught the difference between Glutathione and Glutamine.
Nickie
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Full spectrum vitamin C contains
Ascorbic Acid
ascorbinogen
bioflavonoids
rutin
tyrosinase
Factor J
Factor K
Factor P
Ph
i have naturally low stomach acid (hereditary) which has caused trouble all my life... I began taking plain Ascorbic Acid for flu, and it gave me symptoms of heartburn & reflux... so I buffered with Baking Soda to see what that might do- felt hesitant because of allready low HCl- but it did the trick. immediately began to recover from virus and not only that I NO LONGER HAVE ANY LOW HCL SYMPTOMS as long as I take about 1g Buffered-C daily. Seems that something in the combination has actually boosted my stomach acid production to something a lot more like Normal :) FWIW!
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Liposomal Vitamin C
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHKBhz7OCB4&feature=youtu.be
Bear in mind that this man has a company called ReCverin with products to sell - although he seemed very genuine and has data to back up the information about the DIY DHAA using products most people have in their kitchen.
I suppose it would be great if you have a garden full of zucchinis. Think of how much potent Vitamin C you can have!
Cheers, Bess
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Dr Sinatra (leading cardiologist here in the usa) has recently helped his son overcome a debilitating EMF related illness and maybe wrote a book on it (not sure) but some articles and videos for sure. Optimizing antioxidant nutrition seems the best method of protection for sensitivities.
Anyway, I tried my first batch of LET Pure Trans Resveratrol 50% and Grapeseed Extract 50%. WOW! The most powerful antioxidant I've ever taken, w/ the exception of Melatonin and Lutein. I had much pathogen die off and kidney stress that I have needed to treat plus digestive irritation. I have only taken 3 doses and the last dose indicated the worst may be over and then some real healing can occur. My body is so toxic that I must go slow; have taken 2 days off and will dose again tomorrow.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Have located a supplier of R Alpha Liopic Acid, so I'm in high cotton. Soon the natural folks will have a simple cancer cure. There are cancer cures now, but they are not so simple. Mine took 7 months, but I am not fussing.
While making this batch, the ultrasonic cleaner gave off so many EMFs that I had difficulty listening to Limbaugh on the radio. Guess that means that at 78, I am now sterile. That is good news for my 73 year old wife. She's been nervous lately. Bull.
====OLE ROBERT HENRY========
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Until I run out of the Reduced Glutathione I really can't tell how well these other amino's are doing in the job of boosting GTH. It is also very important to have adequate Selenium for the body to manufacture Glutathione. 1 grm NAC orally plus 3mg Melatonin before retiring is also a major GTH booster.
It is also important to mention that Vit-C and Selenium are antagonistic to one another as water soluble antioxidants, so after you do your initial Vit-C saturation period, it may prove worthwhile to rotate w/ your other LET nutrients on an every-other-day basis.
I haven't the wherewithal to match your good humor, as I have been to long in the lonely dog house singing the blues. If I ever do get on my feet again I suppose I would move earth & sky for a good woman.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Just a quick comment.... When I made liposomal Vit C, I used powdered sunflower lecithin to avoid any problems with soy. Seemed to work well.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Here is my question. Vit C is a great anti-oxidant as all know. Glutathione can cross the blood brain barrier so that is what my integrative doctor recommends for his Alzheimers and dementia patients. He has done wonders with it, but it is expensive. I presume you do the reduced product. Prior to learning of Lypospheric we did the IV and the suppository. Taking Glutathione orally is a waste of time and money.
You say you mix both Vit C and Glutathione together in your lypo mixture. For my Vit C , I mix two tbsp with one cup of distilled warm water ; next I take 6 tbsp of Soy Lecithin with two cups of distilled warm water. Put them in a blender and mix for a minute and then put them in the jewelry cleaner for 8 minutes and constantly stir. Refrigerate and take 2 tbsps 2 or 3 times a day.
How would you modify this procedure and add Glutathione ? Will dance at your next wedding if you can help me. I was the medicine man in the Boy Scouts Order of the Arrow and did the Fire Dance to begin the ceremony . Also did a mean beach Shag as a Frat boy back in the 50's, so we can boogie with the best at Myrtle Beach.
Thanks for your help.
===OLE ROBERT HENRY==========
Lypospheric Vitamin C
It is so very good to have been reading your courageous and objective statements here on E.C. I have had the good fortune to have lived in the renaissance of 60's & 70's and inherited much knowledge & wisdom of that period. Speaking directly to the inherent weaknesses and pathologies of psychological & spiritual conditions' as a companion to 1984 (there is a very well made movie of the same title, have you also seen it?), which is quite accurate in literal terms; from the rock music tradition these songs stand out particularly thru allegory, symbolism, figurative or sometimes literal, : "Karnevil #9" by Emerson Lake, and Palmer, "Celebration of the Lizard" by The Doors, "Hotel California" by The Eagles, and later "The Future" by Leonard Cohen, and "No Man's Land" by Billy Joel, to mention a few. Dark times play their role but there is always light and good times to follow. For many people it takes major social upheavals to learn the most basic principles, so we conservatives are bound to ride the wave w/ them.
Anyway, the big downside to ALA is its extremely harsh going down; really rips the throat. I added just a little to the GTH/CoQ10 batch which isn't too bad. I also added Glycine & Glutamine to stretch the expensive GTH further. I have now mixed Glycine + Glutamine + ALA in small bottle for encapsulation. Ratio is lesser for the ALA so as to level the corrosive nature. There is an LET Yahoo Group you might find helpful.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
I am a novice at this and have only made one batch of Vit C. I have read of glutathione and Alpha Liopic Acid and some say they can all be combined. Do you know if that is so and how is that done? The internet sites are not specific. Everyone is scared of Big Brother so you have to read between the lines. Is this a sick way to live or what?
As a freshman at Ga Tech in '54 we had to read the book 1984 and it is all coming to past. Nobody trusts nobody. The novel has arrived. I am just glad that I am on the shady side of the mountain and regret that the youngsters will reap the rewards of what our lack of courage has done to them.
End of rant.==OLE ROBERT HENRY===
Lypospheric Vitamin C
I ran out of a batch of GTH/CoQ10 and let it go for a couple weeks and started a new batch yesterday and the results is obvious and amazing energy. I simply cannot recommend oral capsules or softgels of CoQ10/Ubiquinol as I have been using for many yrs w/ very little a difference in energy as compared to the LET GTH/CoQ10.
As you are looking to restore youthful energy it is certainly worth researching and trying the safe, healthy & beneficial DMG. DMG is readily absorbed in digestion so is not needed to LET.
Waiting for reports of your "second wind"!!!
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Thank your for responding. Few realize how important this process is. I am starting with Vit C, but know I must go to Gluthathione and others.
As you know, I's not PC . I cannot tolerate ignorance, and this site has a bunch takers. I appreciate the bosses allowing me to express my mind.
I have already made my stuff and will venture further. I have spent a fortune doing IV's and now we have a Liposperic and it is far more effective and for pennies.
Give me a break. =====OLE R H===
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Also topping the list for LET of nutrients is the combo of Reduced Glutathione 1 part and CoQ10 or Ubiquinol 1/2 parts. This combo is best when taking Vit-E (mixed Tocotreinols & Tocopherols) plus adequate Selenium (Brazil Nuts is very good source).
I like to rotate these two combinations on a daily basis as one is water soluble and the other fat soluble antioxidants, so this is most beneficial. Also the Quercetin and CoQ10 will major raise your energy levels, so you can go back to climbing your side of the mountain.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
At the end of the page he compares amounts of liposomal C to IV C.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
Going into an area (Lypospheric Vitamin C) that I have no clue except what I've read. I have done many Vit C IV's but this is supposed to be more better and you can do it at home. I got all the stuff to getter done. All I need to do is to do it.
Can any of you birds shed any light on this subject? Will give you a few days and then I take the plunge. Hey, I'm on the shady side of the mountain so what have I got to lose?
What make me so sad about this site is that most just want others to tell them what to do. Few take charge and research and tell others. It's like Limbaugh says, the 51% want the 49 % to take care of them.
I'll keep playing this game and if I learn something I'll tell all. That means I don't have to help pay your medical bill.
======OLE ROBERT HENRY =====
When you say you've added MSM to the mix does this mean you are liposoming it w/ the C? I have been Liposoming sence Sept 2013 and have made the logical conclusion that it is simply a waste of time & resources to liposome a nutrient that is easily absorbed thru oral intake ie the gut. MSM is a very absorbable and biologically active form of Sulfur which will probably not need to be Liposome encapsulated.
As for adding power to the Lipo-C (which is what I assume you are attempting) I have been adding about 1 grm Rutin and 1grm Quercetin to augment the overall antioxidant qualities of C.
As for Lipo GTH, I have found no other form of CoQ10 or Ubiquinol near as effective as combined w/ GTH for lipo encapsulation. Your energy levels will greatly increase. This method is more proof of the very poor absorption of both GTH & Ubiquinol. In my estimate, the lipospheric GTH/CoQ10 combo is off-the-charts better absorbed & utilized. Suffering a broad spectrum toxicity issues, I had to significantly decrease this lipospheric GTH/CoQ10 as these nutrients are not effective against pathologic infection. I am slowly increasing this combo w/ good results. Mixing ratios may differ, but I am finding 50/50 OK.
Lypospheric Vitamin C
★★★★★
I've followed the online recipe and been successful with every batch of lypospheric vitamin C for 2.5 months now. I found the recipe clear and concise and living rurally, I order my supplies online and do use an ultrasonic machine. I take 14 oz. over 24 hours.
When I first started with C I was experiencing general malaise, low energy, pain throughout my body, brain fog and a general depression. For years I was "Wonder Woman" but slowly losing my steam, and have no doubt I was experiencing adrenal fatigue, as well, my thyroid levels were low (I'm on synthroid) and as my body burden (heavy metal toxicity) grew my energy levels dropped.
I did see the ND 6 weeks ago and was told to keep doing what I was doing with the vit C.
After the first week on C I added lypo glutathione, 4 Tbsp. daily, for seven weeks, at which time my bowel tolerance for the LG told me enough. I reduced to 1 Tsp. LG and now have stopped LG.
Being a brave soul and enjoying the benefits of increased energy, a pain free body and clearer, more positive thinking (after 10 years of pain, being Wonder Woman I've had my share of wrecks) I am now ready to address the life time of allergies that I came with. And so I have added MSM to my cocktail and after 3 weeks of LypoC and MSM water I am noticing that my allergies are still present but I am experiencing significantly less of a reaction.
I can also report that my skin is soft, my eyes are clear and sparkling and I have thicker, fuller hair and my nail beds are a nice, healthy pink, my massage therapist sees me monthly and she commented that my muscles are more flexible.
I see the ND next week and am excited about my results, life can only get better! I am continuing my 14 oz. of vit C and MSM. I'll have a 6 month blood work check done next.
I appreciate the Lypo C information provided for those of us wanting to take our health into our own hands, I'm 62 and feel empowered and healthier than I have in years!
Gene-Altered Vitamin C
Gene-Altered Vitamin C
Thanks for the link!
I have ascorbic acid powder made by Nutribiotic. My bottle says it is non-gmo. I checked the article you sent and it didn't mention Nutribiotic one way or the other.
I don't know if this means that the article isn't completely accurate or if it means that manufacturers are not completely honest. I don't know if anyone has researched this further and has any more thoughts on it? Chemistry is not my strength, though I have often wished I had paid better attention now that it would be useful at times!
~Mama to Many~
Gene-Altered Vitamin C
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WARNING!
How to Make Lypospheric Vitamin C
Taking the Liposomal form of vitamin c is a much more efficient way of delivering large amounts vitamin c safely to the blood, cells and tissues. This method entails a preparation using granulated lecithin and to use the oil therein to encapsulate the vitamin c into micro-fat droplets. When you take the lipo-vitamin c form it is not absorbed into the body via the ascorbic acid pathway but is instead absorbed as fat droplets via the fat pathway which is also much quicker. When this fat droplet makes contact with a cell -- which is made out of the same phospholipids as the lecithin oil -- the fat droplet containing the vitamin c sticks, blends and then opens up -- thus delivering ascorbate directly to the cell.
Another disadvantage of taking ordinary oral vitamin c is that it is removed from the body within 2 hours, no matter what quantity you take. This means that you must take ordinary oral vitamin c in many doses per day to achieve a constant high level in the blood. With the lipo-vitamin c form this is not the case. Think of this form as the the slow release form because the lipo-vitamin c is actually treated as a fat in the blood -- and fats are removed far more slowly. Therefore taking say 3 x 1000mg doses of lipo-vitamin c per day would be enough to attain the same levels in the blood as Linus Pauling did by taking 20 grams of ordinary oral vitamin c with water.
You can also buy lipo-vitamin c easily on the internet or at any health store. You can also make it yourself -- I prefer making the ascorbate form. All you need is a blender, ultrasonic cleaner, ascorbic acid and sodium bicarbonate :
How to Make Liposomal Vitamin C
Bill Thompson's Protocol
★★★★★
To make the ascorbate form from the ascorbic acid form in water, just add baking soda(Arm & Hammer is fine to use) until the fizzing stops and take each dose like that. This creates the alkaline form -- sodium ascorbate. Using baking soda will not interfere with absorption of Vitamin C -- in fact it helps absorption. This can be more clearly understood because the ascorbic acid form of Vitamin C is never used by IV(dangerous and acidifying for the blood) so that's why the the alkaline form is normally always used for Vitamin C by IV.
How to Make Sodium Ascorbate
How to Make Sodium Ascorbate
High-Dose Vitamin C Therapy
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Dear sirs. As much as I appreciate buffering of ascorbic acid with lets say sodium bicarbonate, a much better way has been devised by one Jan Hromada in Czech Republic, who has passed the information into public domain. Ascorbic acid being rather a strong acid quite readily replaces many other organic acids in fruits and also readily ties to red pigments, for example betanins.
Jan Hromada has found out through his keen observation and following research, that tomatoes are one of the ideal red vegetables for this purpose, even if they are not of the best quality.
When 5g of crystalline ascorbic acid is blended with one whole average field tomato, a person can digest at least 40g of ascorbic acid (spread through out a day) in this form without the usual consequences of ascorbic acid overdose. Well, at least I can and I am not alone. I found this form even more accetable than liposomal C form. I believe that this information will further help many people to appreciate what high oral dosing of vitamin C can do for them.
With kind regards, Slavek.
Liposomal Vitamin C
*correction* on above post. Dr. Levy NOT Levine.
Liposomal Vitamin C
Liposomal Vitamin C
Liposomal Vitamin C
Liposomal Vitamin C
I read a lot about liposomal vitamin c and its benefits. So I prepared it with soy lecithin and had it for 15 days. But my allergies increased and then I realised it may be due to soy lecithin. I am also estrogen dominant. So I stopped using soy lecithin. So anyone can please suggest me another kind of lecithin which does not increase estrogen. I heard about sunflower lecithin too. But I don't know whether it is estrogenic like soy. It is of great help to me if some one can enlighten me regarding this preparation of liposomal vitamin C.
Ayesha
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I do take Effexor xr and Klonopin. All my other blood work was okay except for vitamin deficiencies and epstein bar virus old antibodies that are high. Anyone know if 1000 mg of vitamin c is just too much for me? Thanks. It seems like there is people out there that have this side effect but it does not seem common when I google it.
