Holistic Chronic Pain Management: Natural Therapies and Supplements

Hi, could you tell me where you bought this product and do you know if it is contraindicated by any drugs or health problems? thanks, lyleisha

Pycnogenol, is a patented form of it... More expensive, but I prefer it's potency over non patented.. But really can't verify if it is better. There are many different products... Read some reviews here... (I found the 100mg to be too strong... I prefer 50mg)

http://www.iherb.com/product-reviews/Healthy-Origins-Pycnogenol-100-mg-60-Veggie-Caps/4128/?p=1

I have a Sota Magnetic pulser and it does help to relieve pain by pulsing bio-north magnetic energy into the lymph and tissues. I have also found a laser therapy pen useful for relieving pain and speeding the healing process. Both of these are helpful for rejuvenating skin/tissue.

Ahhhh MtM, so THAT'S why I love me some rocking chair time!

As a child, I would get nauseous on a swing but after starting on BSM a few years ago, I can rock and even read in a car!

You just made a lightbulb go off in my head. I, like my old grandpappy, am a chronic rocker. I have almost no anxiety, no depression whatsoever and am really healthy for my age. Could it possibly be my rocking chair? That is so interesting. I've always wondered why everyone is so sick and I'm not. I eat whatever I want, don't exercise that much but have never been on any medication except the occassional antibiotic in my youth. Instead of prescription meds, they should hand out rocking chairs!

Hi, thanks for the tips. I got mag oil and diluted it with water half and half, but when I sprayed it on the painful area, it made the pain worse.

I have taken epsom salt baths; it helps a little not much. How much epsom do you use?

I am also having bad digestive problems. My lower abdomen feels acidy and a bit painful, it is keeping me awake at night. My belly feels distended and bloated. Yesterday I had a short bout of diareah kind of dark gray watery and undigested food. I belch alot and also fart a alot.

I had taken tincture of oregano oil for low grade infection and I heard that it is very hard on the stomache.

I have been taking coconut oil, high doses of vit b, vit c and vitamin d. Any other ideas?

Thanks. Gillian

Gillian, check out what you are eating. Also, chew well.

Hi Emma. That is very interesting. Would you kindly tell us how much and how often you take these supplements? Thank you. Cheers, Michael

In reply to Emma (Centralia, Illinois), Those sound like great results from taking serrapeptase! Could you share with us what brand you used and how much and how often you took it? Thank you. Art

Emma:

To my knowledge, Serrapetase is not a natural pain med. It seems obvious that you have chronic infections in your bones. The Serra temporarily destroys much of the bioplasma that acts as a natural barrier to protect infection. After taking Serra your immune system is allowed to kill infection, but is not enough as the infection is advanced. I would recommend following the Serra with Berberine. Ted's Borax protocol would also help your situation. Magnet Therapy is very effective at removing local infection & inflammation (which is the cause of pain). Following Magnet Therapy, place Salonpas on the affected area (your knee & hip) to further eradicate infection.

Hi Gillian;

These are the many symptoms of B12 deficiency. They are terribly painful. It's difficult to diagnose because tests can be inaccurate. Please find a doctor who knows how treat this, or take high dose sublinguals. ( some people with neurological symptoms will require very high dosages.)

Dear Gillian, so sorry about all this pain and discomfort. I am sure it is discouraging. Several things come to mind as I read your post.

First, someone else suggested b-12, which sounds like a good idea to me, too.

Charcoal is excellent for bad breath and diarrhea. If you can stop the diarrhea, you may be able to absorb more nutrients. I would suggest 4 charcoal capules or tablets, twice a day. Do not take within two hours of medication. You can take more if you like, it can just be hard to coordinate it with other meds and supplements.

You say you have a low grade virus and athletes foot. Extra virgin coconut oil is good for viruses and athlete's foot. You could start with 1 t. Three times a day and work up to 1 T. Three times a day. Soaking your feet in 1/2 vinegar and 1/2 water may help the misery of athlete's foot as well. Do this for 15 minutes a day. (Any kind of vinegar works for this.)

Raw Apple Cider Vinegar might help you with several issues. It can help certain kinds of pain by reducing inflammation. Plus it helps to balance PH. Try 1 t. In 6 oz of water, twice a day. If that sits well with you, work up to 1 T. in 8 oz of water twice a day.

The yellowish skin makes me think of your liver. Dandelion tea would be a good blood and liver purifier. Start with 1 cup a day and work up to 2 cups a day.

If you have a way to juice organic carrots, that would be a concentrated form of nutition. So would Blackstrap molasses. (1 T. once or twice day.)

I hope this list isn't overwhelming. You have many health challenges and it may take several things to get you feeling better. These would be good things to start with.

Please keep us posted on your progress.

~Mama to Many~

Thanks Mama to Many, great name. I will try your suggestions, however whenever I drink vinegar it makes me feel incredibly sick; is there an alternative to that? Also I don't have diarreah, just loose stools. Is the remedy you suggested good any way? Thanks SO MUCH. Gillian

Hi Mama to Many, one other question. I am super sensitive to any thing sweet I avoid all sugars and even really sweet fruits. I am horrifically addicted to sugar so I am concernd about taking molasses, is there another option, I also do not want to get candida again and if I do take it can I put it in water to take away the sweetness? Thanks.

Hi, I am so sorry to hear about your ailments. I would like to suggest to search on Magnesium Deficiency. There is a book on The Magnesium and why its a miracle supplement and also Transdermal Magnesium. There is plenty of info. On You Tube as well. Type in Magnesium Deficiency.

Several of your symptoms including unstable emotions, crying, rage, depression, body aches, brain fog, abdominal problems, numbness, feeling off balance, fungal infections are all in the list of the hundreds of symptoms of Magnesium Deficiency.

Transdermal magnesium is use of Magnesium spray for all over the body. It goes thru the skin to the blood and to the circulation faster. My co worker has had back aches for many years, she has had chiro, massages, accupuncture, cupping, etc, none of them helped her. With Magnesium Oil spray, she felt immediate relief. I was surprised. Different effects for different people. Magnesium through the skin gives faster results than pills.

The Mg Oil spray is one, Bathing in Epsom Salt water is another. (Magnesium Phosphate) for 20-30 minutes. It should help the body aches and help your body and mind get relaxed and afford very rested sleep. And third, also take Mg Glycinate orally while also using the spray (Mg Chloride) All these are available on line or Pharmacies.

I buy Mg Flakes and dissolve 1 cup Flakes into 1 cup bottled water to use for the Mg spray. This is more economical. 8 sprays is equivalent to 100 mg. Up to 1000 mg is safe according to Dr. Mark Sircus, he is on You Tube.

Magnesium will take months to get built up in our system, 6-12 months, so using the both spray and the soaks will speed it up. Epsom salt for tub soaking is very inexpensive. Or you could also do foot soaks.

Note that Magnesium could not be used in kidney failure. Always ask your MD if Magnesium is OK for you.

Hope this helps.

There is a condition called, post acute withdrawal syndrome, it can be caused by drugs, alcohol, herbal remedies, and vitamins, caffeine and smoking will aggravate it. I have it from medication, its hell!! It often gets misdiagnosed as Fibromyalgia, Me, Ms, Chronic pain Syndrome, Flu Syndrome, and even Mental problems!! I am real angry as God knows how many people are suffering from this, and being told they got a 'Naturally related illness' or their mad???? The thing is, it can be misdiagnosed as so many different illnesses it's unreal!! Neuropathic pain is also another one, and your symptoms are classic of Post Acute withdrawal Syndrome (P. A. W. S) and the more drugs you take the further in to hell you go!! I am a bloody 'expert' on this matter now, unfortunately, as I could not understand why I was getting sicker and sicker, it will do a number on you, physically, emotionally, mentally, spiritually, all aspects of being Human. Do NOT suddenly stop taking meds you are on, or INCREASE dosage, this will make it worse!! Do not drink Alcohol, and if you do, TAPER OFF, you do this by, say you drink 10 beer's a day, drop by 2 a day, until you reach 2, then none, With the meds, they too must be TAPERED, I do not know which meds you take so I can't suggest a taper without this information. Also vits herbs, etc as mentioned above. This is now in epidemic proportions, I know so much about this as I have done millions of research, and through what I am going through, I will post a Link which gives you a run down on this matter, but its got so many faces its unreal! Even suddenly stopping whatever substances you swallow, or use transdemally or I. V will cause it. I can see it in lots of other people from mild, to severe, and to also committing suicide, as they can't take any more. There is also video's on 'youtube' by other's going through this hell, and SOME ONE is very responsible for maybe billion's of us suffering this hellish torment. House hold products is also a big link in a very long chain of caused, manmade material's make up, all sorts. I have nearly died because of Medical incompetence, and had to 'spring' myself from Hospital, after taking a drip pumping more poison into my vein's off, and the Hospital automatically locked down the building to stop me getting the hell out of there, I could barely stand up, and was in a terrible state!! There is a lot more to this, and I feel like an army of one trying to do something about this, its bloody dangerous! I can't say too much, and there's stuff I'd like to say... The whole truth.. But same again. The link is quite basic I feel, BUT, it will give you some idea of what it is, and what to do, unfortunately a lot of people are only too willing to believe the Medical Manipulation their under. That in its self is a huge tragedy. I can see it in lots of folk on E. C as well, and I feel like screaming because I can't save the World, but I am going to have a bloody good try!!! On the link, first read 'Withdrawal' then read 'Post Acute withdrawal' there is also a Menu of different things which may be of help or interest to you. I have mentioned about this to 'Specialist Consultants' but I fear I am treading on dangerous ground, so I stopped trying to get any sense out of them, and they also got VERY angry, and threatening with me, only one admitted, when I said 'These Drugs are killing me!! " 'Yes they are' he replied. Another DR, who I'd never seen before asked 'Who the hell put you on these two painkillers together? Your seriously toxic!! ' This also happened when I was admitted to Hospital for nearly three months with a 'Chest infection'??? I couldn't shake off in over a year, and had every anti-biotic know to Man, I. V, oral, via my anus. They were also treating me for 'Asthma' at the same time, once again another DR I'd never seen, when I told him I felt like I was being seriously poisoned to death, took one look at my Med chart, and freaked out, I was right!!! I also learned it's no good asking your DR to Taper you, they will do it way to fast, and this is so dangerous it can cause Heart failure, Stroke, Brain damage, and God knows what else!! I am not trying to scare you, my fear turned to anger when I discovered 'The Truth' and do NOT let them tell you need more of any drugs you are on now or more?? This escalates the problem. I did my own Taper off so many Meds, I don't think there's anything I haven't had pushed, or pumped in to me. It's that bad, that I now know MORE than most Pharmacist's and every Dr I've spoken too. I had a wonderful Dr once, who told me 'Every time you diagnose yourself you are RIGHT, but DR's don't like it, I only stopped seeing her as she left to have a baby 'Then there was the case of my friends Mother, who I kept telling for 9 years exactly what was wrong with her, and the big Medical guns were wrong. 9 years later they told her. 'We got it wrong'. ' Yes' she said, 'my young friend told me years ago what was wrong' DR's.. 'Did she now? Well WE just discovered this week's ago, she can't have possibly known' so WHAT did your friend say (followed by laughter) so she told them, I was RIGHT!!! Yet some of the greatest minds in the Medical Profession had 'just discovered it?? I did it through observation and instinct, I have no Medical training, but Dr's forget about the Human Spirit, and never think outside the box. Even Mental illnesses, I have observed can often be put down to poor dietary practice, and other environmental particulars as well. I have so much more to say, but I too am in agony, but I post on here when I can, and I will keep doing so, we are ALL dead, if we just sit and say nothing, it's wrong!!! None of us are immortal any way, and who wants to live forever in such an evil and corrupted society?? And there IS Life after Life, I have indisputable evidence of this also, and one time the Medics found something I had told them which it was impossible for me to know was right. They wanted me to talk to DR;s from everywhere but I refused. I will save it for another time. Love Andrea C XXXXXXXXXX

Hi Gillain, regarding the Apple Cider Vinegar - you know your body best. If internal vinegar doesn't agree with you, you are wise to know it and skip it. You could look in to alkalizing formulas here at EC, baking soda might work better for you. But now there are many suggestions for you and perhaps that idea could go on the back burner for now.

Yes, charcoal is good for loose stools and not just for diarrhea. It is a wonderful help to the gut in general as it draws out toxins. Since you mention odor and frequency, I would still consider it a good choice for you. And in some strange way, charcoal helps with pain. I wish I understood it better, but I do not, I just enjoy the way it works.

Finally, regarding the Blackstrap... You are so wise to know your body and how it reacts to sugar. Personally, I don't find it very sweet and feel in general that natural sugar (from honey and blackstrap) have enough health benefit that they are worth having in the diet, in moderation, of course. However, for someone who has a lot of trouble with sugar, it may be best to skip even those. So, for now, I would skip the Blackstrap and know it is something you can try down the road if you want. And yes, you could mix it in to water or milk or something. One of the nutrients in it is magnesium, which Toourlady89 mentions, with lots of good detail. I think she is on to something here. And I like her idea of epsom salt baths. They are great for pain and increasing your magnesium. One thing to know and watch for though is that magnesium can increase bowel function. I have a toddler that lets loose when I put him in a tub with epsom salt. (Unless he has recently "taken care of business.") Please do let us know how it is going for you!

~Mama to Many~

Sorry :-( try again!! lol :-) Link for 'Post Acute Withdrawral Syndrome' P.A.W.S www.AddictionsAndRecovery.org.Love Andrea C xxx

Gillain x I have re-read your post, I am more than convinced you have Post-Acute Withdrawal Syndrome now. The symptom's will come and go, and are so variable it's hard to try, if not impossible to count them. The Meds you are on, I was also on them, plus a load of others, you also mention weight loss, in two years I have lost five stone, (70 pounds) without even trying!! I look like dead person walking, and I am still losing weight, my white blood count is low, hair thinning out, severely dry skin, bones breaking easily without no obvious cause as my bone density is normal. I can't put any weight on no matter how hard I try, and every suggestion others have posted I have tried them all, and more, I have spent thousands of pounds on all sorts of remedies, Chiropractors, Homeopaths, Faith Healers, can't get warm, then burning up, mood swings from hell, character changes, the list is endless :-( I am now trying a 'Paleo Diet') its not actually a 'Diet' I am eating more than ever, and only eat Organic veg, Free Range Grass reared meat, which I buy from 'Soil Association Certified Farmers Markets'. I am following 'Robb Wolf The Paleo Solution' book. He is a Bio Chemist, and explains what certain food's do to your body, and what to eat and avoid big time!! Its helped greatly with long time Bowel issues I suffered with, and I never cooked my meet well, only poultry and pork meat as these have to be fully cooked. I also only eat, Dry Hung Bacon as this contains no nitrates or any additives at all. You can adapt it to suit yourself and I eat four good sized meals a day plus lots of 'Bone Broth' I avoid the 'Night Shade' Family (Google 'Night Shade Foods) completely, no fruit, and no nuts as much as I love nuts and fruit, they don't like me at all!! : -) I got my own health shop in my home due to the amount of stuff I have bought and tried, the only supplements I now take is, Vit D, 20. 000 ius (International units) a Probiotic, Healthy Origins 3o billion CFU's, on an empty stomach, Now Super Enzymes, after all meal's, half a tea spoon of Magnesium Citrate twice a day after food, AM and PM, MSM, I started off with half a level tea spoon (Morning only as too late in the day I can't sleep, but MSM is known to keep you awake if you take it late afternoon or evening) and I now take a heaped Table spoon worked up to over a month AM and the next no later than 2PM. That's two Table spoons a day. I flash fry any other meat so it's very rare, slightly browned each side and seal the edges, steam Fish, and Veg and also use a slow cooker (Crock Pot) you can do Broth's, Bake, Roast, Soup, anything in a slow cooker. I also try and cook and freeze as much as I can in advance, and prepare Salads in advance and leave them in the Fridge, I juice using a Masticating juicer, or you can use a blender with a drop of Distilled Water, or Bottled Spring Water (just enough to cover a quarter of the veg) blend it then strain it, I save the Fiber from juicing and add it to soups or where ever I need fiber. If you use Bottled Spring Water, look at the bottom of the bottle, there is a Triangle, in the Triangle is a number, from one to five, make sure it's one in the Triangle and no higher. I nebulize and drink Colloidal silver straight, Nebulize for 5 mins breathe deep, hold for 5 seconds and breathe out, it may make you cough at first, but this will pass after a few uses and is not a problem. 2 table spoons of Colloidal Silver I make myself, use a plastic spoon to measure, ( NEVER any Metal and store it away from any Electrical gadgets in a cool dark place) and NEVER add salt to the Silver if you make your own, or buy it with Salt added, this is bad!!! I drink the Silver after every meal to kill any Parasites, Mold, Fungus, Viruses, and Bacteria. Wash and Rinse all veg in water with a few drops of vinegar, or lemon juice added, this will kill any Mold, Fungus, Bacteria, and any residues that should not be there. I live on my own so I have to do what I can do for myself, and drink plenty of water too. Here is a link to Robb Wolfes web site, he explains what to avoid and eat, and you can go to paleo recipe pages for idea's there loads of things you can eat and you won't starve believe me!! I am always eating :-)

• The Paleo Diet

I am also doing 'Tracy Anderson' exercise from YouTube; saves money :-) you can do them sitting or lying down if you have to. Let me know how you get on. PS as I explained, the symptoms will come and go, and you will have really good days, and bad days, and they will get you with no warning, do not fear this, it's the path of healing, and you can get it while on Meds too. A lot of people don't realize that once your body gets used to anything, your Tolerance level will still rise at your steady normal dose, and you will go in to Withdrawal still, as your brain and body will crave bigger doses, DO NOT TAKE MORE!! It will not stop it, but it will add to the problem, none of the above will interfere with your Meds. And Dietary changes will also cause a Detox reaction, that's why some people do it gradually, but I went in 100% as I have been ill for so long. Another thing, use Coconut oil for frying or roasting, and never heat Olive or Flax Oil, use these col on Salads only, once hated they become 'Carcinogenic' Cancer causing, or you can fry in Unsalted Organic Butter, Ghee is also a no no. Love Andrea C XXXXXX

Happy New Year Al,

The problem you describe, shooting pain down inner thigh when you cough or sneeze, could be pelvis twisted a bit and that pinches nerves in the dorsal and down leg. Do you feel pain in lower back...especially very low in back?

I have low back issues, two rear end collisions (I was hit)...but have not had the shooting pain, but that doesn't mean a rotated pelvis would not manifest as you describe.

I've had success with Chiropractors over the years. I've had to try different ones until I got ones who nailed the problem. Also I've had some success with physical therapists.

So if the problem is really the vertebra/pelvis maybe a good DC or PT could help.

Have thought of you during your absence and tried not to succumb to worry as most times things turn out not-so-bad at least during peace-time.

My hip where I had bone marrow biopsy hurts only occasionally (in my weakest times) so I immediately place large magnet over it for about 15 min and all the pain and inflammation is gone.

The squatting is probably a form of "earthing" and earthing is the same principle of energy medicine as magnets. I sleep on a magnet pad nightly, wear a belt for about 2 hrs daily, and use strong magnet over any severe place like liver. I have several times achieved substantial reduction in BP w/ large magn over liver.

Anyway, welcome back.

Hi Timh from KY,

Thank you for your post. I am not familiar with medical use of magnets and am looking into it!

~Mama to Many~

What brand of soap? Thanks for your comment.

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