Mystery Diagnosis

Rhonda: The instantaneous way to go from being sick and suffering to being awash with euphoria would be a complete raw whole food program. Google raw food for candida videos. The organic 80/10/10 vegans can further enumerate the admirable qualities of God's Goodies.

@Rhonda: Many of the conditions which you spoke of including RA have a viral, bacterial, or fungal origin. These pathogens live in our bodies for many yrs and cause all sorts of multifaceted symptoms like you noted.

You will need to first alkalize your body as acidosis must be neutralized before starting an herbal regimen. Herbs you will need would include Oregano, Grapefruitseed, Olive Leaf, Pau De Arco, Garlic. Digestive Enzymes will help as well as Glutamine and Colostrum or IgG (Immunoglobulin). Colloidal Silver will help. Zapping will help.

Rhonda, I recommend you find a reputable integrative medicine (holistic) practitioner. To address the pain, while you are in search of the cause of your body malfunction, find a reputable, experienced acupuncturist. Someone have to take a look at your whole body. Prepare a summary of your lifestyle. Your chronic health issues since childhood;your exercise regime; what you usually eat;supplements you take, water you drink; summary of your medical tests and medications you take. Take it with you for your first appointment with both (holistic doctor and acupuncturist), which should last not less than an hour. Good luck!

God bless her. She is going thru what I have been for 14 years but now I know what is causing it. I also was on a benzo. When you take that it goes into tolerance withdrawel and causes all of these problems. Believe me it is hell. If you dont keep uping it, it causes tolerance w/d. I have also had many test and all say fibromyalgia. After doing all kinds of research I found it was the medication. Xanax is a benzo also. It is hell getting off and today I sit here w/d and crying cause of all the w/d symptoms. Good luck and God bless.

Thank you for your advise! It has been years since she has taken Xanax. She just recently started using them prn. There actually was a time when addiction and withdrawal were an issue with much more than Xanax. That was years ago when she had to go through detox. We have both been delivered from more than one thing in our lives. God Bless You Too!

By now I hope you have found a solution. You may consider iodine overdose. It can cause anxiety and itching and all sorts of other issues like you describe.

Just a thought. Have you been checked for vitamin deficiencies? Doctors dont always do this, they usually just give out another pill!! You can look up all the vitamins on the internet, and they will give you deficiency symptoms. I recently have been feeling awful, and it turns out I have a B1 deficiency, and probably had it for some time. Hope you soon feel better, and just finding out what it is will help tremendously

Hi Thepatientone... You seem to have a lot wrong with you, but you should be able to cure disorders such as yours over time. The reason that doctors cannot cure this sort of problem, which generally relates to auto-immune diseases like Fibromyalgia, CFS. GWS etc, which are difficult to successfully pinpoint and treat let alone diagnose by the medical route, is because of their thinking which is all based on... One germ-->one disease-->one cure.... This thinking is all wrong. It seems to me that you have a multiplicity of problems including low thyroid, adrenal insufficiency as well as liver problems with possibly intestinal problems as well. Insufficiency in these organs/glands always causes loss of energy, lethargy, heart problems because these organs are the major pathways for proper nutrient absorbtion, hormonal control, blood purity and homeostasis. And all this is aside from any pathogenic infection or disease that you may also have contracted so the cause permutations of these kinds of illnesses are enormous. But the root cause of these problems is always the same -- it is always the toxins and poisons that we eat, drink and accumulate everyday(including medical drugs), which primarily seems to cause major systems such as the immune system to first become weakened and depressed, allowing in all manner of diseases via toxins resulting in organ/gland insufficiency.

The first thing to do would be to get a hair mineral analysis done. This will tell you and gve you a clearer idea of the minerals that are lacking in your diet. This should also tell you what excessive amounts heavy metals, if any, you have in your body as toxins. When you know what minerals you are lacking, then you should supplement them. If you're worried about infections in your intestines, you could also arrange a stool analysis with your doctor. Doing this should give you more peace of mind and will also help in cure recommendations on EC.

Almost certainly, from your gallbladder, blood and energy problems, you seem to have an insufficient or damaged liver. The best way to heal the liver is using the specific multi-anti-oxidant therapy below. This therapy will repair the liver, get it functioning properly again by providing many beneficial anti-oxidants to help remove toxins from your liver and body as well. Combined with this protocol is iodine and magnesium supplementation, which will help to improve the thyroid, which will, in turn, help your hormone balance and should improve your energy.

Healing the Liver and Thyroid

* Chanca Piedra tea or herb capsules --- 1000 mgs twice day a day at mealtimes. Or you can drink the tea form 3 times a day.

* Milk Thistle capsules -- 1000 mgs twice a day at mealtimes.

* Alpha Lipoic Acid -- 300 mgs twice a day at mealtimes.

* Selenium -- 200 micrograms twice a day at mealtimes. The following should be taken outside mealtimes

The following should be taken outside mealtimes:

* Ted's lemon and lime body alkalizing remedy -- This will help to cure your blood acidity as well as acid problems in your tissue cells and will also help the liver. It also creates a bad environment for pathogens in your body.

* Iodine --as kelp capsules or as 5% lugol's iodine solution. Lugol's Iodine dose is two drops once or twice a day. Iodine also helps to remove fluorine and bromine toxins from the body.

* Magnesium -- as magnesium chloride, mag citrate or mag gluconate -- 250 mgs twice a day, morning and evening. This will help further support your thyroid and should give you more energy. Magnesium, together with tyrosine, also helps to convert iodide to iodine for storage in the thyroid.

* Vitamin C -- As ascorbate(alkaline form) not as ascorbic acid. Ascorbate C is an antioxidant which also aids thyroid transport and cellular absorbtion. This alkaline form should not cause you problems (Ascorbic acid is actually a pro-oxidant and is the acid form of Vitamin C).

Detox heavy metals from the body.

Eat cilantro in salads 3 times a week

Drink green tea every day.

Supplement everyday with chlorella/spirulina.

We have addressed your liver and thyroid issues which both have such a major effect on the control of the other glands and metabolism of your body. You could also supplement sea salt, Holy Basil and Olive leaf for adrenal insufficiency(energy) as recommended on EC if you wish but generally, when you heal the liver and the thyroid both at once, the adrenals seems to heal as well.

The herbal part of you liver remedy as well as the iodine should also help to address your intestinal problems as well. I know the Chanca piedra herb particularly well, as it helped to cure my own systemic candida problems and is a well known liver/kidney protective.

I would also advise that you look at the Borax remedies on EC since your problem seems to bear a close relationship and likeness to Fibromyalgia. Borax will remove fluoride toxins from the body, it balances the hormones and also kills specific mycoplasma and fungi pathogens in the body including candida.

When you know more from the hair mineral analysis and stool analysis or if you are unsure about something, you can always just ask at EC.

Robert, re your symptoms it sounds like you have a digestive issue. The fact that your breath "smells like poop" I would think indicates that you have a problem in your stomach. Do you have constipation/digestive issues?

Also you say your problems are relieved by beer or having a small red wine. These foods are fermented food and good for your digestion by putting good bacteria into your gut.

There is a lot of information available on the internet re the fact that we destroy the good bacteria in the gut (which helps us digest the food properly) by many things, antibiotics, chlorine in the water, pasteurised milk, quick rising bread and many others. This makes our system toxic because we can't get the toxins out of our body. This toxicity can cause food allergies, candida, excema, headaches,

I would say you need therapeutic doses of probiotics, also digestive enzymes, fermented foods (kifir in coconut milk, home made yoghurt, fermented vegetables etc. To get your gut back in shape. ACV is also a fermented food. One glass of lemon juice a day is also meant to be great for you and will help getting your body into an alkaline state. Also an apple a day is also good for your body.

There are some great youtube videos on food fermentation, also google the GAPS diet which helps your body back to a proper state.

I wish to address this to Bill since he is from the Philippines. Two weeks ago I posted regarding myasthenia gravis which the doctor of my niece suspected because of the symptoms manifested were symptoms of that disease. I once again thank Laura and Tommy for responding to my post. However I could'nt find the supplements they were suggesting. Bill might be of help for me to find these supplements here in our country. I would be glad also if you could share your knowledge regarding this auto immune disease. You have mentioned several natural supplements here but I dont know where to find them here in our country. Please help me. I will be going to Manila this April for another opinion and also to hopefully look for a naturopathist who could be of help. We've gone to ICU for 4x this year. And I'm afraid we can no longer bring my niece to the hospital because of financial constraint. I just can't watch her suffer or watch her lost her last breath which I'm praying it will not happen to her. We are financially drained. I hope you could share your opinion.

Thank you so much and may God will continue to shower his blessings for this wonderful site. My prayers for Ted that God will touch the hearts of people who are kind and generous. I will be praying for his fast recovery. May God preserve Ted's life so he could continue to magnify his mission.

Dear Robert, your awful symptoms sound like the same ones I had. I would advise you to get your cortisol levels checked. Overproduction of cortisol for years, from the Adrenals, causes these symptoms. Good luck.

Hi Che... You can buy all the above vitamins, minerals etc from the Healthy Options stores in most SM malls in Manila and Cebu.

Chanca Piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) is called Sampa-sampalukan in Filipino. It is a weed that is about 30 - 50 cms high and grows all over the lowlands of the Philippines. I use it as a fresh decoction(the best form) all the time. It is a unique plant where all the flowers and seeds are produced directly along the leaf stem or petiole -- that is why some also refer to this plant as "Seed-Under-Leaf". So this one might even be growing in your garden and it is free. Here is a picture of it:

http://www.stuartxchange.org/SampaSampalukan.html

Make a tea or a decoction of this plant and take it 3 times a day. It is very bitter tasting -- you can add orange juice to ths mixture if you like. You should also be able to buy Chanca piedra as capsules in Healthy Options.

The only nutrients you wont be able to buy at Healthy Options are Baking Soda (Sodium Bicarbonate), lugols iodine (use kelp capsules instead -- from Healthy Options) and borax.

Baking soda (Arm & Hammer brand) can be found in most SMs or CSI malls in the baking section.

I've never found borax anywhere in the Philippines -- I purchase some from a welding shop once -- it is used as a flux -- but I was unsure of any additives or impurities. My own source of chemical grade borax was purchased from Thailand. But you should be able to purchase Boron(same as borax -- Sodium Tetraborate) in Healthy Options stores as a supplement.

More specifically, myasthenia gravis is defined as a paralysing nerve disease due to a lack of acetylcholine production in the associated nerve cells. There could be multiple causes for this -- a lack of choline for its manufacture or some inhibition of either the Acetlcholinesterase enzyme or Thiolase enzyme involved in formation of acetylcholine in the nerve cell. The cause, which may give rise to this problem, could be either because of free-radical damage to these nerve cells or due to pathogen or viral damage in these nerve cells. There is also current research that suggests that there could be signalling problems -- as an indication of immuno-deficiency -- within the immune system which could give rise to these auto-immune problems.

Therefore extra options are that you might also want to try are clove oil, methylene blue low dose naltrexone.

Clove oil(5% clove oil mixed with 95% vodka), another one of Ted from Bangkok's therapies, can be used as a spray or wipe and must be applied to all joints -- especially the backbone. Clove oil is an anti-viral and when used like this acts to chase out any viruses hiding in the bone fluids. Thus clove oil can penetrate the blood/bone barrier to remove these viruses -- which is why clove oil is useful against viruses like Epstein Barr, Herpes and even cancer which also hide in the bone fluids -- as is the case with cancer, which is able to suddenly metastase and re-attack the body years later after remission. But when these viruses are forced out into the blood system, they will be attacked and removed by any strong and healthy immune system.

Rub the clove oil on and around every major joint -- elbows, shoulder, knees and ankles. Most important, rub this oil all the way up the backbone and neck. Apply the clove oil twice a day like this. It feels hot. This will drive out any existing viruses hiding in the bone fluids and the anti-oxidant therapy for the liver will boost and help the immune system to fight and remove the virus in the blood.

Methylene blue(MB) -- widely used in Ted's therapies for cancer, coma problems and Alzheimer's -- is a super-mitochondrial anti-oxidant that improves the cells energy production by more efficiently removing/neutralizing the free radicals formed inside the cell from the Krebs Cycle. This greatly boosts energy production efficiency and energy levels of cells. As well, methylene blue is anti-bacterial and anti-spirochete -- it has been used for over 100 years as a malaria cure. These days MB has been relegated for use as an anti-bacterial and anti-fungal for fish in fishtanks. So you can buy this at any aquatics shop (I found my MB in a hardware shop). This MB form has to be pure because fish are extremely sensitive to any additives and toxins. MB is normally sold as a 10% solution of MB. Dilute this down to 0. 1% and the dosage is 6 - 8 drops in a glass of water twice a day(take the last dose no later than 3 pm). This should significantly raise energy levels too. Always ensure you take methylene blue with daily Vitamin C(which is in the my protocol anyway)

I still take all the above remedies mentioned for different reasons. I'm over sixty now, with very little wrong with me. But it wasn't always like this.

Another method I have not tried, but one that seems to be having great success is taking low dose naltrexone(LDN) which seems to have remarkably beneficial effects for huge number of auto-immune diseases -- including MS, Alzheimer's, Parkinson, neuropathies and possibly even myasthenia gravis. See these links:

http://lowdosenaltrexone.org/ldn_and_ai.htm

http://www.fiikus.net/?ldn

The dose -- which must be exact -- is only a single daily dose of between 3 mgs to 4. 5 mgs LDN with a glass of water in the evenings before bed. LDN works best in the sleep period between 11 pm and 3 am and is involved in both aiding homeostasis as well as hugely boosting the immune system against, specifically, most auto-immune problems. LDNS works by simply boosting the body's endorphin levels, which can strengthen the immune system by doubling or even trebling the levels of NK immune cells in the blood. You can probably buy generic naltrexone in the Philippines -- but you will have to get a pharmacist to formulate the low dose pills very accurately. Too much or too little naltrexone dose and it will not work. And I have no idea whether naltrexone must be prescribed by doctors in the Philippines or whether it is widely available. This is just another option for you if you wish. Speak to your doctor about using LDN, maybe he can prescribe it for you -- it is very cheap. In the past, naltrexone was used in much higher 300 mg doses to help alcoholics and heroin users get over there withdrawal problems. It is an older well known drug. The patent has also run out on this drug, so it should be cheap.

I would also like to add my own concern and deepest good wishes for Ted's rapid recovery. I hope he heals very quickly. I have also sent him a donation and my best for a speedy recovery by email.

Thanks for the replies, some I have tried and the rest I'll try, lemon is out and some of the probiotics I can't do but the rest I'll start right away, I've search the net for two years with no results, there's just not a name for it and the Doc's give me that "don't belive you look" or never heard of such thing.

Sorry Bill its only now that I got the chance to read your post. Thanks an awful lot for your post. I will surely visit the healthy shop in Manila to purchase the suggested supplements. God bless and may the Almighty God continue to bless you with knowledge that you could share to the rest of the world who wants to be healed naturally. I appreciate so much your kindness and generosity to Ted. My prayers for him since I can't at the moment donate an amount for his medication and hospitalization but I know other's will. GOD WILL PROVIDE HE STILL HAS A MISSION.

Hello, I was wondering if anyone has tried or if there is any feedback for Ted from Bangkok's therapies remedy of the below:

..."Therefore extra options are that you might also want to try are clove oil, methylene blue low dose naltrexone.

Clove oil (5% clove oil mixed with 95% vodka), another one of Ted from Bangkok's therapies, can be used as a spray or wipe and must be applied to all joints -- especially the backbone. Clove oil is an anti-viral and when used like this acts to chase out any viruses hiding in the bone fluids. Thus clove oil can penetrate the blood/bone barrier to remove these viruses -- which is why clove oil is useful against viruses like Epstein Barr, Herpes and even cancer which also hide in the bone fluids -- as is the case with cancer, which is able to suddenly metastase and re-attack the body years later after remission. But when these viruses are forced out into the blood system, they will be attacked and removed by any strong and healthy immune system.
Rub the clove oil on and around every major joint -- elbows, shoulder, knees and ankles. Most important, rub this oil all the way up the backbone and neck. Apply the clove oil twice a day like this. It feels hot. This will drive out any existing viruses hiding in the bone fluids and the anti-oxidant therapy for the liver will boost and help the immune system to fight and remove the virus in the blood.

Thank you.

Robyn: As distant as it may seem, there are a few people in this world that actually, to a substantial degree, love, care, and understand the condition of all living beings on this planet. Their heart breaks over people as yourself. These big-hearted people have been infused w/ divine love and that love lives to give. This all seems abstract on the surface, but in that mental space, they hold you in their arms. They are, as we would say, angels. Beyond this pleasure/pain world, they are dreaming their love for all things. The secret is to surrender to this divine love; it's the same love we were created from and are going back too. Unfortunately all will not return, they love evil and that's their thing.

I also, have been very ill for a long time, and have only recently begun to make some strides in recovery from a severe environmental illness much like your own (with the exception of extreme chemical sensitivity, although I may classify as moderate CS).

Now, back to your physical condition. It is very important to frame your beliefs & expectation around some point of possible wellness, however seeming impossible. Rsw has just been giving me that hope & encouragement that is beneficial for wellness. This works both ways. All my time here on E.C. is a getting/giving relationship. Part of your own recovery is going beyond yourself to help others, even if this involves only intent. Intent is another necessary aspect of the goal of wellness. And of course staying as positive as possible.

Back to specifics, have you not had EDTA chelation for the removal of the Copper?? Those Copper levels must come down somehow. Does Sodium Thiosulfate taken orally remove Copper? EDTA can also be LET'd and taken orally and will remove the Copper, but you must also replenish the body w/ broad spectrum mineral supplement. Calcium AEP & Hemp Oil have only recently made major improvements in me and I am sure I would be near dead or dead now without those natural remedies.

Robyn, Timh is very right. Also, I once heard that "the fact that you were born, already means that G-d (or the Universe, or whatever) cares. We are not to take our own lives, they are not our own. Obviously you are doing something very positive by just BEING (besides everything you are trying) because, as you see, people do respond, so you are getting them thinking of ways to help you! And this in itself already spreads goodness in this world!

Robyn, "The bigger your problem...the bigger your destiny." Do not be intimadated by the size of your problem. God will fight your battles. He has connections to make things happen. Set your thermostat on healing, faith and victory...It can be done...

Try organic carrot juice and only that for 30 days...I'm sure it will change your status...4-6 glasses a day, of course spread out...If you can't afford the organic buy regular carrots and wash throughly.

The other thing is to take sea salt baths daily..OR if you live near the ocean, go in for 45 minutes daily...

Please report back with the results...

Dear Robyn,

I saw your post this morning but was unable to write until now. My heart goes out to you. I am sorry you are suffering so much.

I have been thinking of you since I read your post. Feeling hopeless is miserable, on top of terrible pain. What I do know is that of the people I have known in the past who were truly suicidal (made attempts but failed) all of them went on to live and indeed overcome their circumstances to an extent, some quite abundantly. While it never seems as if they will, things do always change.

Have you ever read the book, Joni by Joni Earekson Tada? It is an amazing book of human courage in the face of dreadful circumstances. In the 60's, Joni was in a diving accident that left her paralyzed from the neck down. She was suicidal. She was 17 at the time. She has lived decades of a fruitful, though often full-of-pain life. She would say she is glad she lived.

I agree with the others who affirm that your life is indeed precious. And you yourself understand a need to have someone to whom you can show love, but cannot figure out how under your current circumstances.

This morning my family was at a nursing home where our family goes monthly to sing with the residents. I was sitting by a 20 something year old girl who is in there for life. She was in a care accident that left her paralyzed and brain damaged. Another lady is elderly and dying of I am not sure what. Each of the residents there has their story of pain. But many still sang and smiled and talked. Humans do have a pretty strong will to live and connect with others. I always leave that place feeling very blessed to be able to walk and do dishes etc, things I usually take for granted.

For me, my purpose in life is God and my fellow man. Whenever I take my eyes off of that, I am prone to sink into melancholy.

Even when I have been failed by humans in some way, I always have Jesus, the Rock of my strength. At my lowest times, He has sustained me. And He has known pain, too. "He was despised and rejected of men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief." When I am low, the Psalms are a comfort, especially singing them.

I will pray for your healing. I think Mr. Rhee's carrot juice plan sounds excellent if you can implement it. And I will pray for you to find a way to reach out to others. People that have suffered much often have much to give, as it sounds in your case.

Please keep us posted. Take it a day at a time. An hour at a time, or a minute at a time.

Love,

~Mama to Many~

Thank you for your comments and thoughts. Before finding Dr Wilsons nutritional balancing, I could only eat cooked veg and never starchy veg. And it is recommended for those with adrenal problems and copper toxicity. Any kind of juice made me feel ill. Not that it has worked. My adrenals are still dead. And my metal load is high, mineral load almost nil. Almost no metabolism etc etc. I don't think I can digest the carrots but thanks for your thoughts.

Last year I watched JFK shows. He had addisons and thyroid disease, also in terrible chronic pain, IBS and the rest. He ran a country, a family, extended family, affairs, was adored by many, but he could live in a house, be in the same room with people, could breathe. Of course, he took a long list of drugs to do this. No one could say his life wasn't full and rich despite the pain. But I don't know how to achieve anything when I can't get any improvement on any front no matter what I try. It might help if I was a religious person. Unfortunately, my father was a minister of the church and also very abusive so I haven't followed that path.

I only had 2 EDTA IVs because I can't go in a building or near other people. I have used suppositories and orally. My understanding is EDTA will pull out the heaviest metal first. I have every toxicity possible except mercury. My lead and cadmium did come down a bit. But in trying to understand this I understand sick people don't detox well. My liver stage 1 works too well, stage 2 is too slow, my bowels, gut, kidneys are all too slow so I would have just reinfected myself. Copper is best removed with zinc, I believe, and no surprise mine was very low. And if you're adrenals are bombed you will accumulate copper so I'm not sure how good any detox is if you're adrenals are dead. I hope this helps someone else. I used clays, zeolite, chlorella, cilantro, ST; apparently all too harsh for someone sick. And it didn't bring the levels down. Hope this helps someone else.

Robyn: I tried Liposomal Encapsulated EDTA a few months ago for the removal of Manganese toxicity but I had to quickly stop as I also have all other minerals deficient. In this case, I was taking on radiation (which is a chronic problem w/ mineral deficiency but very much aggravated by this therapy).

You can purchase a $40 Ultrasonic Cleaner from Amazon plus a container of Lecithin Granules for about $15. An empty 32 or 48oz plastic bottle for mixing. Be sure to drink lots of water to help flush out the copper.

Hi Robyn xxx I'm sorry for your suffering I too had MCS and it nearly killed me a few times. And I had to avoid people, places and things big time too. And I too got that I wanted to die rather than face more years of torture and isolation. Mine was caused by Medication, a mold, and breathing in fumes from cars on a main road I lived on.

And prior to that I lived in an area where there was a huge leak from a nearby Chemical plant at the time I walked past it so everything came to get me at once it seems. Blood test showed I was seriously toxic after Doctor's trying to say it was 'A Mental problem?'

I have recovered really well and some things only bother me a tiny bit now, but nothing to write home about. To be honest I know that it's residual fear from when certain things that used to effect me badly to the point of near death, or dying. But this will go away soon like many things now have, and life is worth living and a big adventure, and not just an every day trial for me just to live for one more minute.

By accident I found a community of MCS sufferers on-line a few day's ago while looking for something else. Here is the .com address... http://planetthrive.com.

There are many like you and worse than you although I know that right now that's the last thing in the universe that you're going to believe, but don't give up. Have faith in yourself and your bodies infinite wisdom to heal in the right circumstances. And faith in yourself to learn how and what to do. It will come, the Universe will send the answer, all you have to do is just be willing to watch, listen and do. And bit by bit everything will fall in to place and you will get well. Never-mind 'diagnoses': your ears are the one that hears that.

Your Body knows nothing about it except to look for what it need's to repair itself. And remember you are way more than your body, you are not your body, you just reside in it. And neither are you anyone else or their diagnoses or trials, we are all unique. But one thing we all have in common is the capacity to heal and hang any diagnoses.

It's too easy to get disheartened just because your pain has now got 'a name?' This does nor sum up who and what you are and diagnoses? There are more misdiagnoses than correct ones and wrong survival time line's given. If they where correct then I should have died more times than a quarter of earth's population by now man!!!

There is lots of things at 'Planet Thrive' that will help you and you can get in touch and there are more than you know understand exactly what you are going through. In fact they considered themselves 'A Tribe' as they all know what each other is going through and here is some where where you will and can fit in and get help and support from as well as all of us here at EC.

Love and hugs xx Andrea C xxxx

Hi, I've been visiting planetthrive for many years now. Although I don't suffer seizures all day long I do, I can't breathe most of the time, I am in pain ALL the time to the point I have to take morphine, then I have the reactions you would know of when I smell toxic things. I didn't meet anyone on there that has had this without knowing what's going on for 21 years, totally on their own and living in a car. They don't discuss much more than brain retraining now. I did nlp enthusiastically 15 yrs ago. But not knowing I was still breathing in, ingesting more poisons, allergic foods ruining my gut even further so now I have addisons & thyroid disease. From tests I apparently don't metabolise much. Doing new age stuff, tapping, nlp any of that stuff while being ignorant of what's really going on is bad! Whilst you don't want to make it worse by being stressed out of it in your mind I believe you can't ignore the biochemical. And no, I don't give a rats about diagnosis. Like fibromyalgia so they can give me a barrage of drugs, all that hurt me. The other diagnosis are real. I don't have the hormones that keep you alive. If you ignore a diagnosis of addisons you will be dead very soon. Thanks for making contact.

Thank you to those who commented. I looked up the Joni Eareckson Tada story as I have looked up many without limbs or in wheelchairs that have gone on to be politicians, sportspeople, run foundations or back causes. As Joni says she is not in pain 24/7 never ending. She has some days of pain. Even though she has people to help her and many that love her she still feels despair sometimes. But she has a life of purpose. To bring awareness to those with chemical sensitivity, actually it's an all encompassing sensitivity, we can have anaphalactic reactions or seizures to grass, dust, fragrance supposedly made from natural products 1. Many of us have pain non stop. It changes who you are. Living on morphine for the rest of your life is not much of a future. 2. Even though I have limbs attached and am not in a wheelchair and to all I look perfectly well most of the time I can't move my arms for a drink of water or to chop up veges, certainly not to pick up a phone, even if I could because it didn't electricute me causing me even further excruciating pain that lasts all day. I'm sensitive to emfs. 1 email a day is it for me & I pay for that. 3. Joni and most live in a house and sleep in a warm bed not like those that can't tolerate building materials. 4. Many have support otherwise how do you stay alive? Not being able to get food much less cook it. And that's just the basic. 5. What about being loved? Joni admits to being grateful for that. 6. And for that reason passes it on doing work with the disabled. This gives her purpose. If you are laying on the ground or in a car because you can't move with no improvement as each decade passes what is the purpose? 7. I found another woman laying on the floor unable to move very bitter about being abandoned by her family. I haven't seen or heard from mine for over a decade when I was called schizophrenic. I was hauled in by the police not once, twice but 3 times in an enclosed vehicle with their heavy deodorants, driven through a very busy area with all the petrol, dragged into a hospital with all the cleaning fluids with staff also with heavy deodorants, toxic washing powder in their clothes, put in a room with 8 students all with perfumes on & they tried to force drugs down my throat. I react very badly to any drugs. As the pain in my body reached unbelievable heights I was locked in a newly painted room without a window. My life was being threatened by a mentally disturbed woman while they decided my demise after having threatened me with keeping me in for a week for observation. Does this happen to people in wheelchairs? Noone could see the distress my body was in. They didn't test my liver, or cortisol levels, or mineral levels or heavy metals to see that I would have a genuine reason for being so distressed. 8. Many of us don't even have the most basic needs met, besides food, I haven't had a hug for over 10 yrs, it's been longer than that since I had a hair cut, I wear what I slept in because even though I have limbs I can't use them. I can't reach up to my head to wash my hair, over my head to put a jumper on, pick up a towel so showers are rare. I don't imagine this is how most quadriplegics live.

So how on that basis when you can't go near a phone, rarely use a computer, can't bathe or clothe yourself on most days, food is a nightmare would you do community work, run a foundation or do anything to help anyone else even though you would like to?

Robyn, I don't know how I can help you but I love you and suspect that many here do too, without ever having seeing you!! Whoever we are, we send you hugs and hope, even though we don't yet know how/what will help you.

HI U ROBYN, , , , , , , , , for some reason, I don't believe a word you wrote. You say you can't get on a computer, but you had to stay on one for 30 minutes or so to write your story.

You want help? Then ask for it. These folks would love to help you, but you wrote a ditty that is supposed to put us all on a guilt trip. The USA now has 51% victims as citizens. Your story tells me that you too are a victim. A victim of what? I have hoed my own row and suggest others to do the same. When I get in deep stuff, I ask for help and this site responds. They will for you too.

======OLE ROBERT HENRY=======

Robert Henry, I wasn't on the computer for 30 mins because some of it was pretyped from the day before. That's what I have to do to send an email. There was no intention of guilt tripping. Not one for asking for help, being the rescuer was usually my role I started to ask for help 10 yrs ago as I got down to 36 kgs but got it from nowhere. Except recently people on here have offerered support and I'm very grateful. I've done everything anyone has ever suggested. And certainly hoed my own row for the 21 yrs I knew I had a problem, ordering my own lab tests, trying everything. If you can't carry food, prepare it, even put it to your mouth it certainly doesn't help you get better and does change your view of humanity. Many people haven't believed me. I can stand another. It doesn't mean I consider myself a victim. I also don't think I've been blessed with the "lucky" gene. The help I was asking for was ideas on how to live any sort of life this disabled. I've looked up all the hero stories I could but as one counsellor told me it's pretty hard to help others if you can't even get dressed or have a shower yourself.

Well Robert Henry - it was just a few short weeks ago when you didn't believe Mama to Many was “real” ... now, you're on a rant about Robyn suggesting she is putting people on a guilt trip.

You said that the USA has “51% victims as citizens” (are these your statistics?). How does that help anyone on a site where people from around the world are looking for advice about their health problems or sharing their solutions?

A little bit of compassion and understanding goes a long way. Here's what Mmsg from Europe had to say to Robyn: 07/22/2014: Mmsg from Somewhere, Europe: "Robyn, I don't know how I can help you but I love you and suspect that many here do too, without ever having seeing you!! Whoever we are, we send you hugs and hope, even though we don't yet know how/what will help you."

Well said, Mmsg! I hope Robyn gains strength from your words.

Bess: It has long been suspect that no matter how much great advice, love, encouragement etc. that people have showered on Robyn here on E.C. she remains seeming chained to an undying pessimism. It seems like a hopeless case.

It's a sad state in much of the world. There are un-rehabilitate rescued pets, adopted children far to damaged to ever repair. Often, the caregiver takes a loss. My few yrs as a Nurse Assistant had several cases of being hit, bit, slapped, clawed, etc and there is nothing to be done as the patient has all the rights and the workers have no defense. The world is literally full of people that have pain as their closest friend. Alcoholism and substance abuse is overcrowded w/ this category.

Back in the mid 20th century there was a psychologist that explored the basis of such insistence on pleasure/sex & pain & death; his findings (can't think of his name right now) expanded some of Freud's theories of Id-Ego w/ the fundamental pleasure/pain principle. Very simple, we are all conceived in pleasure and born in pain. Most world religions aim at transcending or mortifying these basic carnal imprints, compulsions, and behaviors.

Well, what a rant. At least there is some knowledge on this subject that can lead to the possibility of cure, otherwise it's a lost condition.

Timh, some people don't get rescued, adopted or have a caregiver to claw back at. Or talk to about treatment options would be great. You try sleeping in a car by yourself as a woman where you don't even fit, sick & unable to get food. Try 1 week, just one where you have one eye open half the night to ensure you don't get attacked. If doctors had the knowledge or more than 10 mins to give 20 yrs ago I'm sure I & my organs would be in a much better position for some of this advice to work. What sounds like undying pessimism to you is frustration that what has worked for others doesn't work for me and I keep trying. Pain changes you. Read some of the worst fms questionnaires - they're not a barrel of laughs either. If stating facts makes people uncomfortable I won't post on here anymore. There's not many places to look for advice and definately noone to talk to about it. This has been a source of comfort.

Toxicity, frontal lobe damage, inflammation, chromosome 22 damage, liver, gut, metabolic damage, hcl, mineral, good bacteria deficiency, missing aminos, thyroid, adrenal dysfunction, acidity, infections can all cause chemical sensitivity apart from a need to hang onto pessimism. If you haven't had to endure anaphalactic reactions several times a day for decades without having a clue what's going on perhaps you shouldn't comment. I have clinical depression also and can't take medication because of reactions to it. Although, until I can improve living conditions; ie. living in a car talking to noone not even on birthdays or xmas it wouldn't make a difference. You could hold a gun to someone's head with depression and they may not be able to think a positive thought. The world is full of people and till you swap places with them who are you to judge? Your comments might be just enough to tip them over the edge. You don't know what they're hanging on to or not.

Still unfathomable pain!!!!!!! , so allergic still homeless, still suicidal, not diagnosed as addisons anymore, am making some cortisol but way under normal, still thyroid, liver, kidneys, pancreas not working well, can't metabolise fats, protein, carbs, metal toxicities, am trying to get accurate tests re: virals after 4 mths of neurofeedback, then lens biofeedback apart from PTSD shows an underlying condition. I remember I tested positive for tricarballyate a SIBO condition so am looking for ways to treat as the prokionetic antibiotics are $500 and not covered under medicare.

Robyn, I don't know what advice to give you but I just wanted to tell you that I am ever so glad that your're back with us here!!!

Dear Ted, I visited this site often whilst I was living in an old car because I was so reactive to building materials, allergic to the world & living in unfathomable pain. I learned I had adrenal, thyroid, pancreatic, liver, kidney, immune, digestive issues after tests I had to get myself. Noone was interested. My heavy metals are much less but I can't shift off the chart ca, mg, cu & other important minerals are low. Cheap food was blamed. I have just got tests back showing Borellia burgdoferi, lyme cysts, lyme neurotoxins, lyme biofilm, nanobacteria, barmah forest is still active- I got that 23 yrs ago, 3 forms of mycoplasma, ag chemicals, stachybotrys mold, group 644 molds, aspergillus fungus, bordetella, H Pylori and salistosoma.

I didn't mention the ross river, glandular fever or CMV that I got 23 yrs ago because I thought they'd just found the antibodies. Apparently they are still in my body, sometimes active.I am still totally on my own with this. Can't find a Dr. to treat me or a friend. All I have is the pain. I think I understand biofilms have to be removed first. And molds won't move while metals are still in place. Its taken yrs to balance my hormones, drink broths, take colloidal minerals, eat more salt, plenty greens, alkalise etc.

This is too much for 1 person.

Robyn, we're here with you! You are not alone. You inspire me with your will to live and tenaciousness in trying to find what works for you!

THANK YOU!

25 yrs later still extreme pain that never stops, still severe mcs so I can't enter most buildings, go near most people, still alone. I have appreciated anyone that has taken interest in my situation. I remember Ted saying sometimes he gets frustrated as he makes recommendations but doesn't get any feedback. I give feedback but most times it isn't posted. I refer to Bill trying to help me out giving me strategies for removing excess calcium. My mg is just as off the charts. I have taken enzymes away from food for years, taken the chanca piedra, Virgin Coconut Oil I am unable to take as fats make me feel severely ill. (I can tolerate krill oil). The cilantro, chlorella nor zinc have removed the off the chart copper. I have read that the ca, mg, cu although is lying in my tissues and coming out through my hair looks as if I'm toxic but I'm actually deficient because I'm not absorbing them. Osteoperosis and chipped teeth could be evidence of that. So I have very poor adrenals, thyroid, liver, kidneys but I have perhaps just found out why. Diagnosed with lyme, still barmah forest which I got 25 yrs ago, possibly got lyme at the same time, lyme cysts, biofilm in my gut, h pylori, molds, 3 forms of mycoplasma, fungus & agricultural chemicals. We can't get medical attention here in Australia for lyme. I've tried many alternatives to no avail. Alkalising was extremely painful (I think I'm alkaline enough), bioresonance, vit c & salt therapy made me suicidal. The pain is already at a level I can't bear so taking herbs or other that makes the pain worse just isn't an option. The only thing I can think of to help myself is ozone. Just another thing that we can't get here in Aust. Does anyone have any recommendations? The mcs prohibits me from staying on the computer too long and there is so many ozone generators, costs as much as the machine itself to get it here. A lot of them could be rubbish. Can anyone help? I feel like I'm too sick to ever get better. I have used oxygen tanks before also to no avail.

HI U ROBYN,,,,,,,,,,,, just had a scission with our Anti- aging doctor and she agreed that Australia is light years from natural medicine.

They don't even allow natural harmony modulation. It's a $ greed thing.

My suggestion to you is to buy an Ozone medical system from Longevity in BC and do your own thing. That is what I've done.

Read the book, FLOOD YOUR BODY WITH OXYGEN.

==========ORH==========

Robyn, I know nothing about ozone, but I'm sure glad to see you back here with us!

Dear ORH,

Yes, we are a bit backwards regarding natural medicine. I know I read something on here and when I try to obtain it, it's not available and I get blank looks, but the up side we don't have to worry about seeing a doctor. Everybody gets medical and hospital care.

HI U SUSEEQ,,,,,,,,,, don't want to drag this conversation out, but I really don't want to be tended to by an MD unless it's a physical trama thing. Otherwise, I can get my solution from EC, books or the internet.

I do have confidence in our Anti Aging doctor. She put me on bone marrow when my gut was in disarray. It is now good. She has treated several MD's that were in deep sheet using Allopathic meds and had no clue.

When she first started her practice in Knoxville about 12 years ago she was ostracized until all the hi dollar folks trying to stay in good health became her patients. Now she in demand. She spent over an hour with me last week going over my lab test results, and then filled my fanny with testosterone pellets. She trys to keep us healthy by keeping our hormones as they were in our youth.

Don't think they will do that in Australia.

Love you girl. =======ORH======

Um.... medical care... it depends. If you have something that shows up on a standard blood test then yes. Otherwise, you are put in the chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia or too hard basket. No medical care for those with lyme disease. Many doctors have been banned for treating it. It took 25 yrs for a diagnosis & I still can't get a Dr.to treat me. And when there was going to be a senate enquiry there was over 1000 submissions from others who could not get medical treatment. Some of us do have to worry about seeing a dr.

I updated that I have lyme disease, many other virus & bacterial infections which might explain the collapse of adrenal, thyroid, liver, kidney function, the terrible pain & mcs. As my ca & mg is off the chart & I have such a painful reaction to alkalising I thought I might already be too alkaline (also read this can occur with addisons). However, whilst saliva litmus testing during the day shows me perfect (7.4) the first one in the morning is only 6.5. My doc says everyone is acidic first thing in the morning but all he does is hand me scripts for morphine so I thought everyone here would know more. Whilst it may seem an obvious thing to do when you are ill - alkalise there are some that are too alkaline. Although my tissues are alkaline my during the day saliva test shows me to be normal. I don't know which to take notice of. Just trying to think of anything to kill of all these pathogens.

Benzathine penicillin intramuscular 1/month for one year, was the end of Lyme disease for my neighbor.

After following this site for years whilst living in a car because my MCS was so bad I recently reported I was diagnosed with lyme, cysts, gut biofilm, h pylori, barmah forest, 3 forms of mycoplasma, molds & toxic metals. I knew my adrenals, thyroid, liver, pancreas weren't working. So whilst tea tree oil (special formula), antibiotics, salt & vit C, herbs, CBD oil worked for others it put me into another realm of pain that I can't tell is a reaction or a herx. In any case, I was completely suicidal. Himalayan salt I can take at any time, same with vit c but together not. I was also doing clove oil & Apple Cider Vinegar from here, oil pulling. I can't eat vco. I didn't do all these at once by the way. I get cold sores often so at those times take olive leaf & lysine. If I have gut biofilm no wonder my tests say I can't metabolise carbs, proteins, fats & I don't make ATP. So for that was taking enzymes away from meals, acv, clove oil. Nothing works! Has anyone tried stem cells? I have osteoarthritus in my neck which is what they are using it for here or mostly knees. But can the cells divert to needed areas like immune system? Here they are doing lipo, extracting the cells & putting them back in you same day which I believe only gives you 1% stem cells compared to having them harvested for a few weeks. Since I have addisons I don't know that this wouldn't be too stressful for me anyway. The only other thing I can think of is ozone. Of course, we don't have that here & my attempts at getting a machine here hasn't worked but I'll keep trying.

I have been looking on here for years. I am still homeless, in severe pain, mcs still bad, shocking fatigue, in other words nothing has changed. I had reported my adrenals, thyroid, liver, pancreas are very dysfunctional, according to tests no metabolism going on. I knew I was very metal toxic. The cu toxicity that won't budge could also be non absorption not a toxicity at all. The ca similar. But I didn't know I had all these virus. Nothing I seem to do helps. Given that its 25 yrs of this hell antibiotics nor antivirals are probably not going to help now. I'm sure people can relate to some of this but I've just had a birthday to remind me 1/2 of my life has been lost to crying in pain & xmas. I never see or talk to anyone on either. Family don't believe you can be sick for so long. I was just relooking at methylene blue because here they are doing some research on acriflavine for killing virus, boosting immune. HELP! I really don't see any hope.

Oh Robyn, it's so good to hear from you!!! Hang in there, we're rooting for you!

The only thing that comes to my mind for your complicated situation, is Clay baths, if that's feasible.

I sleep on a Magnetic Bed Pad and another Magnet Belt on my pillow which works well for my bottom and especially the Kidneys, the belt is good for my shoulders and back.

Detox Foot Pads would help. You can find these on Ebay at near wholesale prices if you buy like 100pcs.

Robyn, if you are not responding to oral nutritional supplementation or modified diet, it is very likely you have digestive problems like H Pylori, Stomach or Intestinal (duodenal) Ulcer, Leaky Gut Syndrome, Crohn's etc. H Pylori or Candida or any pathogen will cause these ulcerative conditions. Must first kill the pathogens then rebuild the digestive system.

Or, you could have some unknown Congenital Disorder. After suffering many physical and mental weaknesses over the course of my life, I have come to the conclusion that I must have suffered some nutritional deficiencies in embryonic development as the result of my mother being over prescribed a pharm diuretic. Recapitulate your life and note any or all major or minor illnesses and even try to learn of your mom's condition or any meds during your development.

If your Cytochrome P450 1 is too high and 2 is too low, it seems appropriate to use the herb/spice Turmeric or Curcumin.

To get down to the level of DNA repair, fasting or the antioxidant Resveritrol activates survival codons. Add Grapeseed or Pinebark Extracts to Resveritrol so as to boost the effects. Tune into YouTube and listen to healing DNA repair 528 hz harmonics. Here is one that has been helping me lately: 528Hz DNA Frequency - UNLOCK Your Codons!!!

Hope this helps and good luck!

thank you!! After many yrs of not being able to work and seeing many docs my mother did whisper she had taken that banned fertility drug to have me. I have had food allergies and bad insomnia since birth. Often sick, then the 3 biggies at age 32, now I live on morphine. So yes, stomach problems. The food allergies was never diagnosed, we didnt have the internet back then, no doc back then would ever suggest food allergies. I was probably born with candida and celiac. Any carb foods used to make me gag. But I kept eating them. I often wonder if I stopped eating my gut would heal. I use tumeric powder on my veg but its not as good as the real thing, is it?

Robyn, the plain ol' turmeric powder from the grocery store is very useful. Could be the actual root is better, but the powder is powerful too.

I am still suffering severe pain but much worse is being allergic to everything so I can't stay in a building for long, be near anyone (they're covered in chemicals) or even go for a walk or to the park - too many allergants. Using computer is very painful. So my organic acids tell me that I am diabetic or almost - perhaps that is why I have all this nerve pain (for 20 yrs & no Dr.Is interested in finding out why) and what is like lactic acid burn. Also don't make any atp. Don't spose you can if you cant metabolise carbs or protein. Also 4 phases of detox don't work hence the metal poisoning. So I have taken all the supplements recommended for over a yr and to boost the 4 phases. I've been on this site for a few yrs and Im still homeless. I think the Apple Cider Vinegar helped my asthma but not much else. The tests showed candida was there but normal so I dont think I can blame all my allergies on that. I do have addisons but have been on low dose natural cortisol for also a few years. I assume the natural way to help the diabetes is Apple Cider Vinegar (4 yrs and it hasn't helped yet) & no sugar. I'm so allergic I definately dont eat processed or fast or restaurant foods. I have halved the dose of morphine (which doesn't abate the pain much but brings me off screaming) however it can worsen asthma. DMSO didn't help. The only msm supplement I can get has glucosamine and chondroitin in it which I read can increase sugar levels. And the decaf (because of adrenal and liver problems never have caffeine) green tea which I drink all day could also make the asthma worse??? perhaps it has pesticides in it but I like it. How do I fix the pain? the allergants is the worst? the asthma is just annoying, then maybe one day I could have some human contact and live in a house.

Oh, I also have very high t and nk cells indicating infection on top of a very long viral list. I've resorted to taking antibiotics which is when the pain reduced a little, the reason I was able to reduce the morphine.

Robyn, read up on Essiac Tea.

Hi Robyn, my heart goes out to you. A few things you might not have tried yet that I would look into if I were you are: Earthing - and if you are anywhere near a body of water in OZ, sand and saltwater at great conductors. Read up on it.... Supposed to take away pain to be barefoot on damp ground. Supplements to try would be IP-6 and Serrapeptase.... Just some things you may not have tried yet. Don't give up hope! Good luck to you.

Hi Robyn, Sounds sort of like Multiple Chemical Sensitivities/Environmental Illness (MCS/EI). I attended a seminar for one week on healing in Georgia, USA about two years ago. A woman was there who had many symptoms; I don't remember them all, but she arrived wearing a face mask. She said that she had to remove carpeting, wall coverings, in her home was reacting to just about everything. What she received was spiritual healing. About day 2 the mask came off and by the end of week she was perfectly healthy. Based on a book by Henry W. Wright, "A More Excellent Way to Be In Health". The orientation is Christian and intensive but for her very effective. He can be found on Internet at beinhealth.com Great for information as to sources of trouble and healing. Hope this or something helps, God Bless!

Body in compete exhaustion, parasympathetic state, adrenals, thyroid, liver, cells dysfunctional

I get these tests every 3 yrs hoping for some insight, I post on here hoping for some insight, I wish I'd started these tests 20 yrs ago when I was screaming in pain but back then women in pain are just hysterical. Now they call it fibromyalgia or chronic fatigue syndrome when infact, it has a real cause. My dilemna is not much has changed over the 6 yrs of doing these tests. My body is still in extreme exhaustion, in the parasympathetic state. My adrenals don't work at all, my thyroid, liver, pancreas & kidneys not much. My oxidation or metabolism is very very slow, don't metabolise protein or carbs. My body is eating its own tissue. I'm 6 x too high in calcium & mg, copper and manganese, xylene, ammonia. The lead and cadmium has come down over that time but aluminium has gone up. I'm deficient in many minerals. I can't make energy, the 4 phases of detox don't work or are only just working. I don't make any hormones, no cell permeability. Because of the state of my adrenals & thyroid my immune system is shot, I get every infection, serious ones, allergies are so bad I can't go into most buildings or near most people, gardens, animals etc. I've been following this site for some years now and a new practitioner with this most recent report but the supplements, diet, exercise, lifestyle and emotional adjustments have done little to change anything.

I can't see any hope for continuing. And I'm still homeless.

Have you ever tried Elderberries? Great for fighting off colds and flus also is an anti-inflamatory. It is very high in anti-oxidents. At least you could keep future illnesses at bay.

Robyn, first off DON'T GIVE UP!!! There is always hope, and like Robert Henry said: just trying stuff keeps your mind busy and alert and that's good.

Second: Have you read up on Ann Wigmore? When she was in pretty bad shape, she tried wheatgrass juice, or was it rejuvelac, and it got her back on her feet.

Hello Bill, I thought I'd give one more try. I am still homeless, STILL in severe pain, that never stops, STILL so allergic and don't know what to do. I dont make ATP, can't metabolise carbs or proteins, have ammonia, xylen and other poisonings.

Liver profile, phase 1 too high, phase 2 too low. I don't know what to eat because my copper levels are extraordinary!! I have read what high copper does to you. All the veges I eat have copper. I have addisons disease and it is advised that protein be eaten at each meal. But I have so much trouble eating it. I can't digest it. The lighter proteins (fish & poultry) I am allergic to. Grains I am allergic to. I don't eat much carbs which may be a good thing if I can't metabolise it. I am in ketosis (also on my lab report which is not necessarily a good thing).

I got a stool test back recently that also confirms I'm not digesting. and that I have no good bacteria, 1 strain, I think. That's not good news. So I found an 8 strain live 30 billion and take that twice a day.

For a new year, I went to a new Dr.(environmental). Not much help except to increase most of the supplements I'm taking which haven't helped. And my dheas was almost nil. My adrenals are dead. They produce almost nothing. But I take estrogen, progesterone, dheas, testerone bioidentical troche but I am converting the dheas straight to testerone. Some think progesterone should be taken for 14 days a month, others 25 and I take it the whole month.

Here I can't go into a shop and get any of these things in a cream like you can. Or order them off the internet. They're banned. So getting a different form of dheas is not easily achieved. From what I read dheas is responsible for, it seems like it is not a hormone you want to be without. I just read an article that says for adrenal people vitamin B, C, stimulating herbs such as licorice, ginseng, hormones such as dheas, pregnegelone are all too stimulating. And now I'm even thinking that salicylates are probably a problem for me.

That would give me nothing to eat. I was using coffee enemas (organic) to try to clear my liver but that seems a joke too. Coffee is full of copper and I don't believe you don't absorb in your rectum. Then there's the train of thought that enemas wash out the good bacteria. Being too acidic is often blamed for osteoperosis, which I have, and calcium lying around in your tissues. But copper can do that too. And it seems I have alkaline tissues everywhere. Alkalising with lemon and bicarb was excruciating. I did a lemon fast for a day. That was excruciating too. I can't get the copper out. From what I gather, that is probably not possible until the adrenals are healed. Which I have been told is not going to happen.

I feel totally in despair. Im sorry I've covered a few topics here but I don't know what to eat. I've tried most of the remedies here but I didn't know I had such a copper problem and many of the remedies have a lot of copper in them (eg. coconut oil). So eat? supplements? hormones? and if I have no good bacteria candida must have taken over. I have a very coated white tongue (20 yrs or more). I asked the doc if that was candida to which he replied no. I wasn't digesting anything.

Hi Robyn...It's good to hear from you again and I'm sorry that your problems are still so serious. Because of your complex and widespread problems, I will just describe my own opinion and perhaps suggest some ways out for you. I also know that you have a lack of funds problem, so I'll try to keep the remedies cheap wherever possible.?

From what you describe, you seem to have the following problems:

Serious digestive and Intestinal Issues
Serious candida and bacterial issues
Osteoporosis
No Energy
High Copper toxicity in the body
Liver problems
Kidney/Addison's Disease/Adrenal Problems
Probable Thyroid issues
Not digesting proteins Stressed pancreas(low insulin)
Allergies/Chemical Sensitivities
Keto-Acidosis

The greatest and most serious problem that you have, mainly caused by your candida and other bacterial infections, is poorly functioning digestion and poor nutrient absorption in the intestines. The intestines is the throne of candida; this is where the majority of candida toxins are being pumped out into your intestines and your body; lack of nutrients in your blood(from poor digestion and absorbtion) together with inefficient excretory clearance of toxic waste by your stressed liver/kidney is what is causing the toxin build up resulting in all the mental, physical, hormonal and metabolic distress in your body; this is also what is putting such severe stress on organs like your liver and kidneys.

So, above all and as a priority, you must act and do all you can to revive and heal your intestines first. Then your body will not be poisoned from all those toxins and you can excrete the toxins quickly and properly. Your healed intestines will then be able to absorb all nutrients properly into the blood and organs via the blood in order to feed your own body properly. Healing the intestines like this will also stop chemical sensitivities and allergies which is such a huge problem for you.

Some suggestions for you.

If you can do it, obtain sodium molybdate and take 25 mgs a day with water for two weeks. This acts to kill candida, it removes copper and will neutralize all the candida aldehyde toxins rapidly. You should take this protocol, which is Ted's protocol, for two weeks on and then one week off in a cycle like that. If you cannot find sodium molybdate, use the ordinary molybdenum sold in the health shops. Buy molybdenum at the highest RDA dosage -- which is 900 mcgs -- and take that at least 3 times a day(outside mealtimes) if you can. You should also take 25 mgs zinc every day. Zinc also helps to get rid of excess copper in the body. Both Vitamin C and Manganese (mineral that supports SOD) will also help reduce excess copper in the body. See this link.

http://www.holistichelp.net/blog/copper-toxicity-and-how-to-reduce-elevated-levels/

Supplement organic Aloe Vera Oil at mealtimes -- one teaspoon. The extracts from this plant are extremely healing for the body and for the intestines. Aloe vera works to heal no matter whether you have an alkaline or acid body. It's a healer and a balancer that also acts to kill candida and bad bacteria. Another beneficial oil -- especially healing for allergies -- is organic Black Seed Oil (Nigella sativa). Taken with meals -- one teaspoon.

Here is a drink that will help you with your candida issues. In a glass of water, add the following:

MSM (Methyl-Sulfonyl-Methane)-- One teaspoon -- Supplies essential sulfur to the body. Helps to heal the intestines. Heals allergies as well.

5% Lugols Iodine -- 6 drops. The benefits of iodine are too numerous to list but here are some of them: kills candida and bacteria, supports healthy thyroid, supports proper bone formation, needed for proper digestion, ammunition for the immune system. Work up to the full dosage slowly!! Follow the guidelines for iodine supplementation and take the extra nutrients shown here:

https://home.comcast.net/~jocy1/junk/The Guide to?Supplementing with Iodine.pdf

Ascorbic Acid-- 1/4 teaspoon.

Lemon Juice-- one lemon

Add sodium bicarbonate until the fizzing stops -- this creates the alkaline form -- ascorbate(anti-oxidant) and citrate(for energy) which are highly beneficial for the body. If you have sodium issues then you should take potassium gluconate to balance the sodium. Take this drink twice a day outside mealtimes.

Other remedies to try:

Borax Water (as shown on EC) -- Kills candida and mycoplasma, removes fluoride, helps bone formation, and rebalances hormones. Superb anti-fungal and parasite killer.

Magnesium Chloride as Magnesium OiL. 10 drops twice a day with water at mealtimes. Helps to regulate excess calcium in the blood and does 300 other useful things in the body. If you can't find mag oil -- use magnesium citrate -- 250 mgs twice a day.

The Pure Gum Turpentine or Kerosene Protocol. This protocol kills a huge range of pathogens including candida and parasites. It is also the only protocol I know of that can efficiently get rid of candida and bacterial biofilms in the intestines. See the Turpentine section on EC for dosages. Normally turpentine is supplemented at one teaspoon a day three times a week. It is normally taken mixed with either molasses or honey and castor oil. The castor oil also kills the candida but also helps to spread the turps throughout the intestines. Word of warning: if you are heavily infested with candida then you will get a Herx reaction from this remedy -- so start small and go slow with the dosages. See this link:

http://www.health-science-spirit.com/kero.htm

Poor Digestion-- Take betaine HCL with pancreatic enzymes (pancreatin)at every meal. Also eat papaya fruit at every meal. Papaya contains papain which will digest proteins in either an acid or alkaline environment. Add BCAAs (Branched Chain Amino Acids) to your diet. This will help to fix allergy problems and will also help tp boost protein digestion.

Liver/Kidney Support-- Alpha Lipoic Acid(300 mgs twice a day at meals), Milk Thistle (500 mgs twice a day at meals) and Selenium(200 mcgs twice a day at meals). You can also eat 4 to 6 brazil nuts a day to obtain proper daily amounts of selenium and glutamine.

Adrenal and Thyroid Problems-- As well as Lugol's Iodine, I would also consider using bio-identical hormones from porcine or bovine sources. This is really the quickest way to improve your adrenal and thyroid issues. But you will have to get tested and recommendations first from a qualified naturopath on this.

Enemas-- If you are taking molybdenum to remove copper then coffee enemas that you say contain copper become a non-problem. For the coffee enemas you should really be using ground organic coffee beans. All sorts of pathogens can hide away and become untouchable in the lower intestines -- including parasites and candida. Enemas will get rid of this hiding place and help to clear out and make your lower intestines healthy again. Coffee enemas also expel all the toxic waste that tends to accumulate in and stress the liver. That's why coffee enemas are so important and beneficial -- because it helps the body to excrete and get rid of liver toxins fast.

Another suggestion for you. Walter Last, a well-known Australian alternative healer, lives not far from Melbourne and his views on candida and problems such as yours are knowledgeable and honest. If you can, I would try contacting him in your area as a reliable naturopath for some support.

Dear Bill, thank you. Enemas with organic ground coffee, milk thistle, ala, selenium, hcl & enzymes I have been taking for years. Moly and iodine, borax I also did for a long time but stopped some time ago when I ran out. And thank you very much for the rest of the info. I dont think I could do the lemon & bicarb again - excruciating! I thought perhaps being so alkaline I didnt need it although I have lemon in warm water first thing in the morning. Perhaps I could do it well after the fizz but do I need it if I am so alkaline already? I am on a low dose cortisol. It was necessary as I had such a negligible cortisol reading I should have been hospitalised. Instead I was lying in a car dying and doctors refused to help me. MSM is almost impossible to get in this country. But I'll start working on the rest of your info.

Remembering computers electricute me I managed to comb through info about turpentine or kerosine protocols. I saw parrafin oil mentioned. I used to take that to help with lifelong constipation until I saw somewhere it was petroleum and it tastes like it. Then again I dont like the taste of castor oil much either. It seems like the diggers low odour might be the best.

Thank you. I'm hoping after 50 years of hell this might finally work.

Dear Bill, help! I have been on the turpentine for 5 days, 1 tsp of a mix of castor oil & turpentine so probably 1/2 tsp of each. I am alone. This has been such a long time of unbearable pain, the worst more than 2 decades. The pain is worse. I don't feel I can do this. We dont even know if we are doing anything except making me suicidal. We can only assume you are correct in your assumptions which I do. I don't know If I have candida except I read if you are copper toxic you must have. And I assume if I am having a reaction to this mixture it must be killing off something. I don't know how to do this myself. And bear this worse pain especially when I dont know how long it will be for. Any suggestions?

Hi Robyn...Unfortunately, as you say, there are so many things wrong with you, with many dysfunctional problems that are tending to hinder your progress. For instance, your huge allergies/sensitivites problem is preventing you from taking nutrients that will help you. Your high copper toxicity(and other heavy metals) may also cause detox reactions similar to Herx. And any huge candida die-off from the advised nutrients will most likely cause significant Herx reactions as well as anxiety from the sudden release of toxins from the die-off. These types of detox/Herx reactions can also cause pain in the tissues or joints. So you can either reduce the dosages of the offending nutrients or simply stop taking them.

The most awkward problem that you have is your chemical sensitivities and allergies problem which is preventing you from taking healthy nutrients and food. So I would, for now, simply concentrate on healing the intestines, liver and kidneys and purifying the the blood. Take the drink that I advised for you in my last post(with or without the alkalizing ingredients -- take what you can) and take the borax water and the liver/kidney support nutrients as well. It's also very important to take the molybdenum at the advised higher dose if you can. This will act to sharply reduce the aldehyde poisons and will also help to reduce the excess copper in your body as well as helping to kill the candida and reduce the pain.

The excess ammonia in your blood is also quite a worry. This situation is evidence of heavy stress upon your liver, kidneys and your protein/urea pathways. I've already advised you to see Walter Last but if you cannot do this, then please try and find a more knowledgeable and compassionate naturopath or doctor in you own area to help you. I feel that you really need someone with you, by your side, who can assist you through these awful problems.

Dear Bill, do you have a comment on these candida cleansers that promise to eat through the tough candida shell?

I've had literally close to a hundred docs & naturopaths over the years, more recently, new year, new doc, I had to try something different. These environmental docs think they can charge SO ... much but he's not with me. I already had all the tests done so he could see all the damage & poisonings etc. Other than increase my dosages he told me not to come back for 3 months. The only thing that is new to me from your suggestions is turpentine so it must be that. And all the other you suggested made no difference unless my dosage was too small.

best regards,

Hi Robyn...The majority of store bought or guru recommended candida remedies will probably help you a little bit on the symptoms but, having read so many blogs on candida, these candida remedies seem to often fail for two basic reasons.

First, none of these remedies have anything in their protocols that removes fungal biofilms. So the candida is able to hide away from the anti-fungals in these protocols and reappear after your stop the protocol. Second, most of these remedies concentrate on just removing candida from just the intestinal area. These protocols seem to completely ignore the fact that candida is dimorphic -- it has two different forms. The yeast form -- a saprophyte -- normally infests local areas like the intestines and skin. The fungal or systemic form -- a true parasite -- is able to infest the blood, organs and tissues. These two reasons also help to fully explain the inadequacy of these protocols and why the candida just keeps returning after you stop these store-bought and candida guru protocols.

As an additional protocol which might also help you, Dave from Fountain Inn has been experimenting with papaya. He has various serious allergies and reactions against spices and milk based products. He found that if he ate raw papaya fruit with ice cream or salsa(which normally cause his allergic reactions), he got no allergic reactions. Papaya contains papain, a protein digesting enzyme that is easily absorbed into the blood. Papain then works to properly digest foreign protein bodies in the blood caused by a leaky gut problem. With these foreign protein bodies quickly digested, neutralized and removed from the blood by papain -- no inflammation, no pain with no allergic reactions. This worked well for him, despite eating large quantities of spicy salsa and ice cream and chocolate at the same time as eating papaya(and mango). You can read about his papaya experiments here. So either eat papaya or take the papain enzyme(triple the advised dose) at every meal to help you cure your allergies.

To remove xenobiotics -- other poisons that the body does not recognize like xylenes, plastics etc which cause chemical sensitivities, then particularly turpentine and milk thistle would also be helpful as I've already mentioned. Molybdenum or molybdate would also remove the candida aldehyde poisons from your body. Once you heal your intestines, remove the foreign protein bodies and remove all other poisons and xenobiotics thus purifying the blood, your allergies and sensitivities should diminish and you should be able to better withstand the other candida protocols without such adverse reactions.

Dear Bill, you know I also have the food allergies, fungal, candida, viral & very heavy metal toxicities, digestive tract to heal & addisons disease which causes all sorts of mineral imbalances particularly low na, k which causes ca, mg build up in the tissues which is very painful. I had been taking (for some years) all the supplements you suggested except the turpentine. So I started it. The pain was so much more intense it was making me suicidal so I stopped. My saliva ph is only 5.5. But I have told you before the Apple Cider Vinegar & bicarb makes the pain similarly intense. I dont eat much acidic as dairy & meat make me ill. I am allergic to fish & chicken so I have to try to eat some lamb or I would get no protein. I would not consider my diet acidic but I do have to take drugs. I used to think the extreme extra pain was perhaps because I was not acidic but alkaline given my tissue alkalinity. But I dont understand the extra pain. Its not something I can endure. I am screaming. Just Apple Cider Vinegar or bicarb on their own are OK. I've been taking it last thing at night hoping I'll be in the extra pain all night & it will be a bit better during the day but not so. It lasts 24 hrs. Same as the turpentine. Do you have any suggestions? 5.5 cant be good!

Robyn, I've been following your posts but haven't been able to comment till now. What I wanted to say is that I tried ONE DROP of turpentine and felt it all day. So just maybe the "minimum dosage" is too much for you to start with. Perhaps try with a WAY smaller amount. Same with anything else that might be helpful, but causes pain.

Mmsg, thank you. Took 1/2 tsp turpentine + castor oil, will try less. I'm also wondering about colloidal silver for candida. I accept I have it with a copper toxicity & a nil good bacteria stool test. But I am still not sure there are not other chronic viral. I have a very long viral list. And at least 1 Dr.that says I have a stealth infection such as mycoplasma, borellia. And wrote me scripts for 3 strong antibiotics to take for a yr. Even though I took probiotics 12 hrs apart it cleaned me out of any good bacteria. But the minute I go off the antibiotics, I got down to only taking the bactrim the intensity of pain & all symptoms are back. So it seems it didn't kill anything, only suppressed.

Robyn, read up on Bee Propolis as an antibiotic and antiviral, plus an immune system enhancer.

I am wondering if anyone has a suggestion for increasing cell permeability. I take all these supplements to repair my gut, detox, repair malnutrition, hormones for all those missing because my adrenals aren't working but all this is useless (the hormones go in through the skin so they may be more helpful? although still probably not if they can't enter the cells) all this is probably not helping if nutrition or oxygen isn't entering the cells & toxins aren't leaving. I just googled how to remove acetaldehyde; the poison from candida and I don't have the enzymes to help with that. And I can't take the turps I've decided. I react as bad to that as most drugs, poisons, many herbs.

And I can't seem to get the copper out. It might help a bit if I'm not putting it in by way of beet juice or coconut oil & the rest, coffee, choc, avocado, seafood.

Anyway, perhaps the pain would be less if my cells were being nourished.

Ill try papaya tea if I can find it. We call it paw paw here. Quite nice to eat with meals but it is very sweet.

Robyn, good for you that you are keeping on trying!!

About the Papaya: the leaf tea can be made with fresh leaves if you have access to a tree.

Also, if you are eating the fruit, chew on a few pips from the middle. It's supposed to do you good too.

Re: Addison's Disease

21 yrs of torture, severe pain & allergic to everything including building materials so homeless for 5 yrs now. I cant take anymore. Theres no hope anymore. Ive been to every environmental Dr.in this country and everyone else. 6 mg natural cortisol x 2 a day gives me the right cortisol levels on the blood tests. The problem is everything else is out of whack because of this illness. According to the lab Im the most copper toxic person in this country. I've got equivalent to 27 mg of amphetamines in my system constantly x more than a decade. What does that do to your nervous system? And I cant get it out. My liver, kidneys, bowels, digestion, immune, thyroid don't work properly. Im sick of all the supplements which have helped none. I dont want to do any meditation again ever. Or enemas or saunas and sit by myself all alone with nothing to do or nothing I can do. Because of the adrenals my na/k levels in my tissues are too low. That allows calcium to build up which is also very painful. How could I not be acidic with all that metal in me? Also painful. I eat alkaline but thats not enough. Ive had enough detoxing crap. Very very slowly it did remove some of the lead & cadmium but not the copper. And what about the hormones? After menopause all your hormones come from the adrenal glands. I have none. Try living without any hormones. Is anyone else with addisons able to manage their mineral balances? Is anyone else in screaming non stop pain? Anyone else this allergic? Or am I battling a heavy duty candida aswell causing these symptoms? If I am I cant get rid of that either. Ive done my will and I cant even think of anything I could eat for my last supper. Even food is awful.

Robyn: Did you not try the MolyB for removing the copper as Bill suggested? How about a spoonful of Activated Charcoal before retiring? That would surely absorb much copper.

Before giving up, have you tried Medical Marijuana? I have had very good results w/ Hemp Oil/CBD for my severe environmental disease. These Cannabinoids are the ultimate total body & mind balancers. Our bodies (as well as many or most warm blooded animals) are created w/ Cannabinoid receptors of 2 types ---C1 and C2 which regulate most body systems.

Please do not give up until you try these suggestions.

Robyn, I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what to advise you, but I have been reading up recently on Cannabis oil and saw that besides everything else it does, it reduces pain. Someone here has suggested it, maybe you can find it where you are.

Yes, Ive tried all that. I've done enemas, saunas, charcoal, moly, zinc, selenium, chlorella, everything suggested on this site. Everything suggested on my lab reports. In fact, Im sick of taking so many pills. Yet I could see I had very limited everything the liver is supposed to produce so I persisted. Zinc and chelators and still the copper has not reduced. But remember I have addisons. No adrenal function and the body will store copper. But really the zinc should have helped. Tried marijuana for the pain many years ago but I am very chemically sensitive. Not a chance I can go near that stuff without a reaction.

thanks for the suggestions.

Robyn: You say you "tried Marijuana", does this mean you "smoked" MJ??? Forget the free radicals produced thru smoking and use the liquid Hemp/CBD Oil orally; your condition will improve maybe to the level that your many other therapies will actually begin to make some positive difference (as it now seems they are not). Calcium-2AEP + The Hemp Oil/CBD have substantially enhanced the effectiveness of all my other therapies. Manganese toxicity is my primary problem.

Re: Addison's Disease and Medical Marijuana: There was a show on it last week that it should be legalised for medical use. It's illegal here and I don't have any human contact at all so I would have no clue where to get it. I have manganese toxicity too.

After 23 yrs of excruciating pain, cfs and mcs, failed adrenals, thyroid, liver, pancreas missing out on a career or a family or friends, living in a car for 5 yrs because the mcs became so bad, I have finally been diagnosed with Lyme Disease.

I have had many serious viruses so I followed an antibiotic protocol for 18 mths until I had to stop for another expensive environmental Dr. who ordered a stool test. What a shocker! Wtih no bacteria I never started up the protocol again.

After all this time and barely being able to move except for the screaming in the middle of the night due to the pain, 1/2 the time the pain was unbearable!!!!! Due to reacting to the bed.

So now with a diagnosis of lyme I'm even more depressed. I know people who have not got better with antibiotics Or its taken them 5 yrs. I've already lost 1/2 my life, nearly all of it because I was always sick before I got really sick.

And the natural protocol I've pretty much been doing for the last 8 yrs, since I got my first hair analysis saying I was off the chart toxic with copper, calcium, mg, mn. Apparently that is common with lyme people and its not a toxicity but a deficiency. I'm still trying to repair my gut and with colloidal minerals I should be able to repair the deficiency.

But removing burdens, detoxing, removing amalgums, staying away from all chemicals (that was a had to or I just stop breathing), repairing adrenals although hard to be stress free when you're in this much pain, never ending. Using a computer is only a few mins a day, mobile phone is never, no stress from family or friends coz I have none.

Then trying to boost my immune system.

My liver is shot so liver boosters, cleansing and NAC etc.

Lots of detoxing.

I'm in despair. none of this worked. I just don't want to have another day of mind boggling pain. I'm on morphine although I keep it as low as I can after all I'm trying to take care of my liver. HELP!

Robyn!! Am so glad you're back here!! I hope others come up with good ideas for you, since I haven't a clue except maybe for eating more fruits and veggies which will give your body building blocks so that whatever you do use, should work!

Dear Robby, It seems to me your husband is very neurotic. Now neurosis is a condition that stems from unresolved feelings. Therefore you can not figure your way out of said feelings. This is why he keeps looking for odors in the frig. and such. Unless he is a war veteran who suffered severe trauma, or car accident and such his neurosis may have started as a child or infant. There is PRIMAL THERAPY but it is not readily available. Hopefully he can find a therapist who can help him and you and or some self help group.

We all have issues in many areas , physical, relational, spiritual and I hit mine from every direction. John Bergman has teachings on improving yourself from many directions . thoughts, words, choices, posture, and you might get some insights from him. I have.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0MYe25ro1o

This one is self talk but he has others that are very interesting too.

DON'T take this post as me judging you but remember we can only change ourselves and that changes our environment. Define boundary lines on behavours you permit, and talk through issues that are unacceptable. You loved him enough to get married. Please don't take this wrong ...my heart is right.

Severe Candida?

Hello Robynrenee, Re your husband...

Sounds like system wide infection. The coated tongue is more evidence. That condition is likely fungal and or viral. I used to have a coated tongue but after taking a swallow of Colloidal Silver a few times a week and leaving in the mouth for a minute so the tongue was covered, that problem went away. If the problem is, indeed system wide, swallowing two tablespoons twice daily for me, was enough to turn around systemic infection. Assuming the infection is not in the brain via an old ear infection, six months on CS might be sufficient. Ask him if he has had persistent or a few VERY severe ear infection that predated the sensitivity matter...hearing, smelling light sensitivity. If so, write back; I'd suggest ramping up the protocol.

Wow! I haven't had your kind of diagnosis but I have had to play musical chairs with dr's, trying to find the one that gives the right diagnosis and meds, on and on and on..... Have you gotten desperate enough to try a wholistic dr? It took awhile to find the right one but we're healther than we've ever been. We can talk more if you like.... Good luck either way!!

Alkalize your body, who cares what the official diagnosis is...

I have had this madness, so what happened nine days ago when this started? An event with you or an event in your environment?

In reply to Sarhapp (Stockholm),

I was wondering if your symptoms are more frequent at a specific time of day? Some of your symptoms are similar to fibromyalgia symptoms, but there is no specific test for fibromyalgia and you have not had the symptoms long enough to meet the criteria for it. Usually you are diagnosed based on your symptoms as well as the length of time you have had the symptoms. Also there should be a process of elimination to eliminate other potential health issues as the cause. Without a diagnosis, it is basically guessing how you should try and treat your health issue. Here is a basic description of fibromyalgia symptoms that you can compare to what you are feeling:

http://www.fibrocenter.com/fibromyalgia-symptoms

You can review this brief article to help narrow things down or possibly eliminate the idea of fibromyalgia altogether. The more focused you can be in describing "all of your symptoms" as well as when they occur, the easier it will be for people to help you. It might be helpful to write down "every single symptom" you have and when exactly it occurs during the day or night. If you end up going to a doctor or post back here on EC, those notes will be very helpful in determining how to approach this problem.

Art

In reply to Sarhapp (Stockholm),

I forgot to mention in my previous reply to you that your symptoms are also similar to Lyme disease as well as the fibromyalgia that I mentioned in that post. The fact that the symptoms move and come and go are typical to both diseases.

The fact that you are in Stockholm adds to the idea of Lyme also.

http://www.yourlivingcity.com/stockholm/lifestyle/families/ticks/

Here are typical symptoms for Lyme disease:

https://www.lymedisease.org/lyme-disease-symptom-checklist/

Art

There are two things I can think of that have helped many people with a broad range of conditions and diseases. There is wheat grass juice. A woman by the name of Ann Wigmore developed this treatment back in the 1960s. It does not cost much. You can learn about that on the web. The same with BHT [ butylated hydroxytoluene ]. BHT costs very little and seems to work for many viral diseases and some other conditions also. I think they are at least worth a try. They don`t cost much and many people swear by them....Oscar

There are a couple things you should try first: lysine, N acetyl Cysteine, zinc acetate, and green tea extract, and selenium yeast. The lysine is 1000 mg, N acetyl cysteine 250 mg. These are taken every hour for six hours, and in evening taken hourly for two hours, before bedtime, If taken for 3 days, the supplement of glutamine is then added hourly dose thereafter along with lysine. Sugar of all kinds is avoided, even fruit sugars, the only thing you can eat is fruit extracts without any sweet, such as red wine extract, The beta glucan is taken twice a day at 3000 mg, zinc acetate is only taken 25 mg for a week only, thereafter weekly dose. The green tea extract is taken twice a day, the preferred one is ECGC (epigallocatechin gallate) but without caffeine. The beta glucan will remove some of allergy symptoms. Bloodroot tincture 10 drops 5 times a day will remove the polyps. If this doesn't work, you can contact my email. If she does not have high blood pressure, the morning dose is sea salt 1/4 teaspoon per cup of water should help reduce the sneezing and runny nose immediately, within 5 minutes, if partial reduction then may try 1/4 teaspoon more. If it doesn't work at all, you can see if taking more will help. This usually work. I don't usually do chicory for smoking but a chicory extract in drops, as bloodroot tincture may also help.
Ted

Sol... I had similar symptoms, although not as severe, as your wife... The runny nose when eating, digestion troubles, etc... I have been on a gluten, dairy, sugar, and caffeine free "diet" for the past few months and feel much better all around. At this time I am still partially cooking most of my food but am starting to slowly add back raw foods. My nose no longer runs when I eat. I am being treated by a naturopathic doctor. Good luck!

The heart needs vitamin D3 ( adequate sunshine) and the major minerals, and perhaps you're lacking in Calcium, Magnesium, and the very important Potassium. Heart palpitations, arrythmia, can result, is scary, and makes laying down very uncomfortable, even impossible for some as the heart then wants to be elevated by sitting up. Blackstrap Molasses is rich in Calcium, Potassium and Iron, and eating even a teaspoon to a tablespoon of it can help stabilize the heart's rhythm within a minute or two. Taking in a larger quantity of potassium can also ease the bathroom process, and a lot can loosen the stool, just so you know.

Does he have a lot of processed foods? Diet sodas? These contain MSG and/or aspartame which are excitotoxins and very dangerous in the diet.

It could be an MSG toxicity problem.

Did they test for meningitis? The stiff neck symptom is one of the tell tale signs of this illness. That needs to be treated urgently!!! Good luck.

Hi Sheila, I agree with Debbie, it may have to do with diet and MSG.... Anyway, cutting out all processed foods for a few days certainly wouldn't hurt him, might just help. Heads up, if he is eating a lot of broths or soups.... they are just LOADED with MSG.

Also was thinking possible thyroid while reading.... Which Organic Virgin Coconut oil is good for the support of, as is Zinc. Maybe read about it on here under the ailments page. Lots of good info on here re MSG also.

Good luck, and please keep us posted as to how your husband is and what they figure out! Carly

Hi xx yep! Looks like a virus that is going around the world at the moment hun x x x I myself and other friends had exactly the SAME symtoms!! Also STRESS will also cause similar symptons xxx n e way, if it 'the dreaded virus' it takes a few weeks 2 shake it off. He may feel as if he's getting 'some' relief occaisionally, then 'bam!! ' it knocks you again. Is he on n e meds? opiate, or other 'drug with drawal' and even 'alchohol' and cigarette with drawal' will cause these symptoms. But although unpleasant, it is a sign his body is fighting what-ever it is. I have friends across the world and we ALL had these viral symptoms and were all very rough x x x as long as he's hydryated and if he can't eat much look for 'clear broth reccipes' on the web and also 'how to make your own rehydration fluid'. There is also 'natural 'anti-viruls on E. C. LOVE Andrea c x x x P.S.google 'HEALING CRISIS as well xxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hi Sheila, If I were you I would put him on liposomal vit c as it cures just about anything. Look it up on the net & then decide, it is cheaper than IV vit c, also do a liver flush & intestinal cleanse. Gallstones can also cause a stiff neck & shoulders so the liver flush should help with that If you want to test if the gallstones are causing the stiff neck shoulders take a big dose of epsom salts & if you get relief you know the cause is the gallstones. For info on how to do the liver flush the net will give you all the info that you need.

Lots to consider. Thank you for your responses.

My husband is still experiencing coldness at night and sweats. His stiffened neck and shoulders have relaxed -- alternating cold and hot packs have helped with easing that. I gave him a very small dose of niacin the night before and he only felt chilled once that night; forgot last night and he was up in the middle of the night changing clothes again due to sweat and chills.

He was tested for meningitis; nope.

It could be stress with other physical problems. I asked him to get his hormones checked, adrenal and thyroid.

We are strictly off MSG, aspartame and other additives at home, so unless he's sneaking nasty foods, I don't think it's currently his food. We cook regularly at home and use organic and primarily non-gmo foods, lots of fresh. We're also minimizing plastics.

It'd be nice if it weren't so much a mystery. If it is viral, I'd like to know what it is!

I'll look into the vit C recommended.

Please post anything else you can think of.

Appreciate it,

Sheila

Does he take iodine? Upping the dose may kill off any virus/pathogen. Colloidal silver is also an option. Chlorella and green juices would help cleanse the blood and also alkalise him. Also lemon juice is good for alkalizing.

Hi Sheila, I'm just going to run through some of my thoughts so if any ring a bell do a bit more research. Take his temperature even if its only a slightly raised one I would treat him for an infection/virus (albeit an unknown one). If his temperature is normally in the low range and is now at the highest of the normal then I would still treat it as a low grade fever. Personally I would definitely do this as even your Drs. think it could be, plus the symptoms do fit.

Another one is chemical exposure prior to the symptoms.

Sweating does help get rid the body of toxins especially if your liver is not functioning at its peak. Did they test (blood) for liver function? Some support for it would be helpful for chemical exposure and for when killing viruses etc.

Magnesium oil rubbed over the stiff areas 2-3 times a day may help.

Do you eat a lot of corn? The reason I ask is that your husband received benefit from niacin. Which can become deficient in those eating corn/maize products regularly. Unless of course you are doing the ancient way of cooking it with lime (not the fruit). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nixtamalization

This sounds exactly like my husband when he has had something that he is allergic to inside food. Sometimes he would curve into a ball on the floor with chills, frozen arm, chest pain, or some other symptom. Going to the hospital/doctor never helped... They would find nothing. After much self-testing, we finally pinned it down to peppers and this includes chili peppers & bell peppers but not black pepper. He alleviates symptoms (an inflammatory response) by taking vitamin-C with baking soda, Quercitin, HCL or Bromelin.

Tell your husband to fast 24 hours and laxative-empty his stomach and rectum. Then, start testing (individually) what he eats, first sticking mainly with fresh, raw fruit & veggies, then plain meat with salt; then start adding ingredients to cooked food. This is what we had to do until we found the culprit -- peppers. People put so many ingredients together when eating that we can't pinpoint what is adversely affecting our bodies.

Also, whenever we (all members of my family, now) go out to eat at ANY restaurant, afterward, we pass around a garlic capsule to each family member. At least 1 or more of us carries a bottle. We've learned through many experiences that taking a garlic capsule destroys E-Coli and other nasty germs that restaurants harbor. Family members who poo-pawed this practice got sick, but, are now believers. I hope this helps him. Much hope for your success..... CAT

Dear Shelly, This sounds like a b12 deficiency which is common after birth. Are you a vegetarian by chance? If not, it doesn't really matter you can still be b-12 deficient. If yes, one more reason to think this is your problem. Look up the symptoms and you will see that many of them fit your list. Do your homework by reading--there is a lot on the net about this. I use Methylcobalamin sublinguals and start with 1000 mcg twice per day. You should also use real folate not folic acid. It takes a while to work.

Shelly: You have begun your healing journey and will surely see some improvements after seeing the Naturalpath. If you could paste the notes you've taken from your recent diagnostics, that will help during your visit.

You seem to have a parasite infestation as well as some type pathogen. You will need to do Immune Boosting Therapies and maybe some blood building (take BlackStrap Molasses for this). Filter the air and water in your home. Take any nutritional supplements that are recommended in any of your symptoms. If your lucky you can make an almost 100% turn-a-round, but be warned that in many cases, these type conditions are chronic and are sometimes never completely resolved. Case-in-point, Mycoplasma or Lyme infections are very difficult to rectify. Round, Pin, and Hookworm can be resolved, but the Liver Fluke and Tapeworm infestations can be very difficult to irradiate.

Try to allocate some time reading up on conditions here on E.C., update your questions and progress, and we (E.C. members) will help you get your health back.

Jillie... Yes I take b-12, amoungst other things. And Timh, I tried a parasite program, but it didnt seem very successful =/ I wouldnt know what program to take now. Any lab suggestions on where to go for that? I used to eat at salad bars often, and ate pretty organic... So maybe I picked something nasty up? I recall drinking water from a water fountain after my run the night that I got "sick".. So maybe there was something lurking in there? Who knows! I will try to get tested for pathogens (again).. And of course, the whole candida thing as I have been peeing white specks out for awhile now, along with reaccurant yeast infections. Why is this candida, if that's what it is, SO BAD! ? Can stress/hormone imbalance cause this to happen to such a severe degree?

Shelly: Conventional Medicine is 90% reluctant to test for parasites, so a ND would be your best bet. He/She can order a stool test that can determine pathogens as well as parasites. The Parasite hypothesis is likely true because they weaken the immune system and then you get a fungal infection that resist treatment. You can also get an Hair Analysis from your ND to determine mineral levels ie deficiencies, as well as possible heavy metal contamination (which would also induce untreatable fungal infection).

I made the same mistake of drinking ground water on more than one occasion and seem to have contracted the flukes. The standard herbal protocol for Parasites is Black Walnut Hulls, Clove, and Wormwood. For flukes in particular, Myrrh is recommended in addition to the prior. The flukes in particular are insidious because there are five stages that can inhabit the body, which in all could number in the millions. Research fluke symptoms to further determine your case.

Begin boosting your immunity with Zinc and Vit-A; these will also hasten healing particularly the intestines (which get eroded by Candida). Any of the detox protocols here on E. C. would be recommended in your situation.

Lots of info and personal testimonies here on E.C. for your perusal. Find a good Naturopath in your area.

Update us on your condition. Hoping you will get well soon.

Shelly~ I just replied to Abby too.... Again, I think this could possibly be an adrenal problem. Your signs are very "classic. " In the last year, you've undergone much physical and emotional trauma with the pregnancy, birth & nursing of your child. Please look up adrenal depletion here on EC. You will probably recognize almost every symptom.

I saw an ND and was prescribed a high quality Adrenal supplement. I felt better in no time & I know you will too. God bless & let us know what works for you!

Hey All... So just an update with me.... I am seeing a ND outside of the city, and I got my results from the yeast/bacterial analysis through a stool culture. The results are that my bifido strains are low, and lacto are also a bit low... E-coli is good.. And it says I have 'yeast' but NOT candida albicans. She put me on 5 things: a good probiotic (in addition to what I have), colostrum, pancreatic enzymes, plant tannins ( it has 30mg of casien which I wasnt so crazy about), and also some candida-fighting supplement. I've heard of the brand she gave me for the candida/probiotic supplement, so I'm hopeful for that. I just hope this is strong enough to kick the yeast out!!! So.. Should I be doing anything else on top of this? Should I tell her, if I start taking borax? I haven't tried it yet... Would like to though!! I hope that this is the ACTUAL PROBLEM she is addressing.... Well see... & hope that I don't really have parasites like I though. Keep me in prayer!!!

More of a recent update with myself. I don't know whether to stop looking, stop going to my ND (which is costly! ), or to just give up. I've been ill for a WHOLE YEAR now! This is ridiculous. The only "result" I've gotten in tests, is that I have a yeast, that is not candida albicans. BUT I don't know if THAT'S what's causing the chains reaction of symptoms I'm still having. My most annoying symptoms are REALLY tired, I mean, WIPED OUT, weakness, and Interstitial cystitis. I also have bowel probs that come and go.. And a crawling feeling that goes from one side of my body, to the other. I've felt it when I had to stop nursing (when I got sick, initially) across my left breast. I've tried parasite stuff, and it seems like its not working. So, Im thinking a VERY stubborn yeast prob. Does anyone know if Teds/Bills fungus protocol is for ANY type of fungus/yeast??? I NEED to get onto something QUICK! I want to have more babies, live happily and NORMAL! Geez... Life can be a pain sometimes =/

Shelly, Here is what I would suggest you try. You need mega doses of Vitamin C, like 500 mg per hour for a few days. You should feel the effects within an hour or two. If not, up it to 1000 mg per hour during your waking hours. Also try a mega dose of Lugol's iodine, anywhere from 50 to 100 mgs in a day. I would also take B-12, coconut oil, and at least 100 mcgs of selenium per day. I strongly suggest you check out Solgar's multiple vitamins with Chelated minerals and take two a day. You can get them online if not in a health food store. I am coming to realize what a lot of people are missing are minerals. Minerals are a catalyst for vitamins. You can be sufficient in every single vitamin yet if you lack minerals they simply won't work. Please, I beg you to try all these things and I bet you will start to feel better on day 1! Please keep us up to date and let us know if you feel better.

Hi Shelley... It's fairly well known through research that yeast/fungal infections leave the door wide open for a multitude of other pathogens to enter the body. This is why no two people, who are infected with a yeast/fungal infection, will ever have exactly the same symptoms -- because there are a plethora of bacterial and viral co-infections(with their own symptoms) that can also be associated with a candida or yeast/fungal infection. As a result of this yeast/fungal infection together with increasing co-infections, the body tends to go into a never-ending downward health spiral as the immune system gets weaker and weaker. The way of modern medicine is to just recommend ant-fungals and antibiotics for yeast/fungal infections. In my opinion, antibiotics are both useless and dangerous against candida or yeast/fungal infections that will only ever act to increase its virulence and spread. This is referred to as the Antibiotic Syndrome. It's also well known that the anti-fungals recommended by doctors are not very effective at removing yeast/fungal infections because candida can easily adjust to them or hide in biofilms to avoid their effects. Modern medicine also has quite a poor record and reputation at diagnosing candida problems. Here is some recent research on these points:

Biofilm Formation by the Fungal Pathogen Candida albicans: Development, Architecture, and Drug Resistance.
Role of dimorphism in the development of Candida albicans biofilms
Recurrent Candidiasis: One Step Forward, Still Backward, (2004)

The above research should open your eyes to the fact that modern medicine still remains quite clueless as to how you should both treat and eradicate candida. Diagnosis of candida by modern medical techniques is also known to be poor and inaccurate:

Biological diagnosis of systemic candidiasis: difficulties and future prospects (2007)

Growing Concern: Inability to Diagnose Vulvovaginal Infections Correctly (2004).

The gist of the above is that modern medicine has not got a good record of either diagnosing or treating candida problems. Indeed Dr Orian Truss's well known book on candida is called Candida: The Missing Diagnosis -- which would seem to blatantly confirm modern medicine's clueless approach in diagnosing candida.

If you want to confirm whether you do indeed have a candida or fungal problem then you should take William Crook's questionnaire. William Crook wrote the book: The Yeast Connection: A Medical Breakthrough. From the book, this questionnaire will confirm, fairly accurately and in minutes at no cost, whether you have an internal yeast/fungal infection. This questionnaire works off a points system to give you a definite result:

William Crook's Questionnaire

To cure your yeast/fungal and co-infections problem I would further recommend that you take the following anti-candida protocol described lower down in this post stream.

Shelly: First try and center yourself with confidence ("I will get better"), with the acceptance that patience and dedication are required for complex and chronic illnesses. Spend some time reading here on E. C.

I suppose you didn't find any snails in the water hole from which you drank???

For immediate relief take hot baths w/ 1/4 cup Epsom Salt, 1/4 cup Baking Soda, 1/4 cup Borax.

Take Garlic Oil Softgels in the AM for parasites and pathogens. Take Oregano Oil Softgels in the PM for parasites and pathogens.

Purchase and use a Zapper to help eradicate parasites and pathogens; Zapper is also good for replenishing energy.

Purchase and use Detox Foot Pads for heavy metal elimination: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p2050601.m570.l1313.TR6.TRC1&_nkw=detox foot pads&_sacat=0&_from=R40

Also try Oil Pulling as it is very good for detoxing. Be sure to use mouthwash or rinse before and after.

Also use Coconut Oil daily. Also begin Potassium Iodi(n)(d) supplement to kill pathogens and restore energy.

Why does zapping replenish energy?

Mary: Zapping restores cell voltage either directly or indirectly. All disease states lower cell voltage. Cancer voltage is way lower than a normal healthy cell. Zapping kills pathogens, parasites, and cancers, thus restoring normal cell voltage.

Funny thing was that after they abandoned ECT. (Electro convulsive therapy) for depression etc., they found that it stimulated new cell growth in the brain. I heard another thing where this guy hooks up an electro zapper to a patient's hand who has been in a long term coma, and the pulses go up through the finger nerves, back to the brain and the patient wakes up. So there is something in it. It makes you wonder if this would be another therapy for Altzhimers or Parkinsons.

Bill... So.. I bought almost all the stuff for the fungal protocol.. And acutally, have read through it and printed it out... Several months ago. I'm just afraid of the detox reactions, I guess, esp with the borox. I have some questions though.. Maybe you or TIMH could answer??

1. Can I eat root veggies, carrots, peas, sweet potatoes at all?
2. Is the there a way to mix any of the protocol/fungus killing stuff.. As there is a LOT of stuff w/ liquid to take!!
3. Isn't fungus/yeast always mutating or resistant? So.. Doesnt the protocol have to change every 5 days (so I hear)?
4. Is taking a good probiotic ok?
5. Fermented foods ( Ive been hearing great stuff about it.. Trillions of good bacteria! )..
5. Will the fungus-killing stuff like borox and the MB kill GOOD bacteria?
6. What about ingesting essential oils?
7. Have you heard of parasites giving off a lot of yeast, or is it the yeast overgrowth that attracts the parasites?
8. Isn't it possible to just get rid of parasites by eating REALLY good organic, alkaline, raw foods... Detoxing the kidneys, liver, colon, and blood... and stay on that for awhile? Won't they just 'leave'?

TIMH... No.. No snails.. Hm.. But can it be ingesting through the water? The flukes? How do I know I really have flukes? Can you tell me where I can get good quality parasite stuff... Theres SO much out there, I dont know what to get! I've noticed significant improvement in energy when I juice... I juice 2x/day. Helps with energy! All organic, green juice.. Cucumber.. Celery.. Garlic.. Ginger.. Wheatgrass.. Lemon.. Kale.. Spinach... That is all. Thank you SO much for your input!!!!! God bless!

Hi Shelly... In response to all your questions:

1. Can I eat root veggies, carrots, peas, sweet potatoes at all?

That diet is fine but only eat small amounts of carbohydrate(sweet potatoes) because they are converted to sugar in the body and sugar feeds candida.

2. Is the there a way to mix any of the protocol/fungus killing stuff.. As there is a LOT of stuff w/ liquid to take!!

You can mx them in the following ways:

Borax can be mixed with any of the alkalizing remedies.

Drops of Lugols Iodine can be mixed, alone, with a solution Vitamin C.

Hydrogen Peroxide can be mixed with any of the alakalizing remedies without problems.

Always mix the Methylene Blue (if you decide to use it) with a solution of Vitamin C.

The Liver Support Protocols are normally taken all together just before or after mealtimes.

The niacin(or niacinamide) and B50 complex should also be taken at mealtimes together with the Liver protocol. Niacin works synergistically with both B50 complex and ALA for improved effect. ALA was once also regarded as part of the B Vitamins (as thioctic acid)

For more on this see Ted's List here: Remedy Combinations on EC

3. Isn't fungus/yeast always mutating or resistant? So.. Doesnt the protocol have to change every 5 days (so I hear)?

Both Iodine and Hydrogen Peroxide kill pathogens very quickly. These anti-pathogen nutrients work completely differently to antibiotics, they kill the pathogens -- including yeast/fungus -- very fast so no chance or opportunity for them to breed in resistance to these chemicals.

The five days on and two days off regimen is up to you.

For borax particularly -- the borax water must always be taken on a 5 days on, 2 days off basis.

4. Is taking a good probiotic ok? 5. Fermented foods ( Ive been hearing great stuff about it.. Trillions of good bacteria! )..

I would wait at least until you've been on the anti-candida protocol for a month before you take probiotics or pre-biotics because, initially, there may be alot of toxins from heavy metals as well as fungal die-off poisons that will be dumped into the intestines first. This is not beneficial for promoting good bacteria in the gut and which may take a little while to subside. But when the Herxheimer and detoxing effects eventually diminish and the intestines are clear of toxins then that would be the best time to start take the probiotics/prebiotics.

5. Will the fungus-killing stuff like borox and the MB kill GOOD bacteria?

I initially used both borax and MB as well as coconut oil for my own candida problems. Within two weeks my long term constipation problems reverted to normal dark brown healthy stools(from hard pale yellow stools). So obviously, this protocol was also beneficial for my own gut bacteria.

6. What about ingesting essential oils?

I am currently road testing essential pine oil on myself using coconut oil, castor oil or black seed oil as a carrier for the pine oil (all these carrier oils kill candida as well). I can't get the proper spirit of gum turpentine in the Philippines so I bought the essential pine oil (Pinus sylvestris) which is stronger than ordinary gum spirit turpentine instead.

There are two ways to use the pine oil. Either taken mixed with milk or water where the pine oil will be quickly absorbed into the blood from the stomach -- which will kill pathogens in the blood, detox the blood and help to purify the blood due to strong antioxidant action with little effect in the intestines. But if you have candida in the intestines you must take it with a carrier like sugar(see Jennifer Daniels article) or take it with a carrier oil to avoid direct absorption into the blood from the stomach and, instead, the carrier oil helps to carry the pine oil directly into the intestines where it rapidly acts to kill the candida yeast/fungus and other pathogens. I've also read that a man from Germany took pine oil or kerosene for his own candida problem and cured himself quickly of this disease. And when the doc checked his stool -- the candida was gone and healthy gut bacteria were present in the correct amounts. For more on the healing effects of pine oil -- see this research article by Walter Last.

Here is an article which shows how effective pine oil is against pathogens -- including candida:

http://www.imp.lodz.pl/upload/oficyna/artykuly/pdf/full/--04_09_Mercier.pdf

I currently am using 10 drops of this essential pine oil mixed with a teaspoon of carrier oil, twice a week as a preventative and tonic. I worked up to this dose slowly from an initial 2 drop dose.

7. Have you heard of parasites giving off a lot of yeast, or is it the yeast overgrowth that attracts the parasites?

Usually it is the parasite that infects first due to poor diet and poor digestion, with the bacteria and fungal pathogens piggy-backing on the parasites into our bodies. If you confirm a parasite problem then Hulda Clark's Parasite Protocol -- consisting of Wormwood, Cloves and Black Walnut extract -- is one of the best. This protocol also helps to kill fungus/yeast as well.

8. Isn't it possible to just get rid of parasites by eating REALLY good organic, alkaline, raw foods... Detoxing the kidneys, liver, colon, and blood... And stay on that for awhile? Won't they just 'leave'?

You might be able to get rid of some of your problems through diet but I think a multi-protocol approach that directly attacks the candida and all other bacterial co-infections, disrupts biofilms, detoxes the body andneutralizes mycotoxins, helps support the immune system and the liver together with a good healthy diet will stand a much better chance of being successful.

Many people with candida and other associated pathogen problems or bacterial co-infections very wrongly assume that if they can get rid of candida from their intestines then they will be cured. But candida is a dimorphic organism that can exist as both a yeast or a fungus -- two totally different biological forms of candida that have completely different structural, behavioural and locational forms. The yeast form is a saprophytic feeder -- it only feeds off dead organic matter but the fungal form is a proper parasite that feeds off the host itself. So if you have the fungal form -- this means that the fungal spores will have not only infected your intestines together with the yeast form but they will also be widely disseminated throughout your body -- fully capable of infecting the blood, tissues and organs with the fungal form of candida. So, if you have both the fungal form together with the yeast form of candida then this is particularly difficult to cure unless you use a sensible and wide ranging anti-candida protocol, including a good diet, that not only acts in your intestines but sufficiently acts throughout your body as well as acting to kill both the yeast and fungal forms of candida as well as killing all other bacterial co-infections which might also be involved. So this makes both the yeast and fungal forms of candida together with all other involved co-infections, extremely difficult to eradicate. To believe that candidiasis -- systemic candida -- is as easy to cure as the common cold is therefore a grave mistake.

Most people use the wrong approach or strategy to get rid of candida because they think its a simple disease or they think they are only infected with just the yeast form of candida or they think the problem is just in their intestines. Wrong thinking. In such cases, when people use anti-candida strategies that are too simplistic, ineffective or inappropriate -- what normally happens is that the candida may go away for awhile but it always comes back with a vengeance again and again. I have read this so many times on EC and on many other health blogs too.

Hey Bill... More questions for you.. Sorry! I like to probe... it makes me more at peace! ;)

1. Is xylitol ok? Its in my liquid multi, cal/mag, and b-complex... its 3g of carbs per serving of each.
2. Will adding some antifungal herbs/teas to the regime, or rotating the pau d'arco tea be beneficial? I dont think my body is responding to the tea anymore.
3. Recently Ive been getting numbness in my feet and hands, esp during the night.. And tingling. I awoke in the morning 4 days ago, with a sharp needle-like pain in one place, and its been 4 days... Hasn't gone... Kinda hurts when I touch it. What could this be?
4. Good lab for parasite testing?? I felt FINE for a few weeks.. Then yesterday, out of nowhere, while ont he diet and protocol, I just felt "sick" again. Slightly feverish.. And malaise. My colon was doing something.. Thought I was gonna have the runs.. still feeling sick...=/ Does yeast stay undetected then show up or is this more parasite-like?
5. Hot peppers/spices...help with yeast/fungus/parsites?
6. What are mycotoxins?
7. What are mycobacteria?
8. Is MB safe to take everyday?
9. Does yeast cause palpatations/high bp? I used to get that a lot last yr.. and recently, a little bit.
10. Is pre-eclampsia related to fungal overgrowth? Thats what I had when I was pregnant.. or is it liver related?
11. What is the cause of IC? I want my bladder healed! Lots of white stuff coming out when I pee...=/
12. Lastly, can fungus/yeast be spread to others?

Thanks again for your time....=)!!

Just an update with me (and to you, Bill, a few more questions.. When you get the time??)... I seem to be doing better energy-wise, but am not taking all the protocol things. I had waaaay too much die-off. I also, am afraid of losing all my good bacteria. Is this an issue? Will the protocol cause me to lose some or all of it? Taking the probiotics from my ND seem to help a lot.. And I stopped feeling like my blood was full of yeast, right when I started to juice ( I have a really good juicer! ). I only juice: cucumbers, celery, lemons, kale, lettuce, a little carrot/beet, ginger, parsley, cilantro, and tumeric. I noticed much imporovement after juicing, and drink about 30 oz/day split up into 3x/day before meals. My questions:

1. Can juicing replace the alkalizing (BS & lemon)?? I feel its helping me much, and figure it has a whole lemon in it tons of enzymes & chlorophyll.. AND my TEETH are getting really sensitive to the lemon/acv!!! I have 2 teeth that are decaying as well.. so have to monitor this!!

2. I bought the Niacin (flush) vitamin in 1000mgs... And take that with my dinner... I cant really split it up. Is this problematic? I feel like this is whats causing the small "pinch/needle-like" feelings I get that linger.. I have about 4 of them now.

3. Instead of taking all these supplements, which I cant afford all the time, esp the ALA ($$$!! ), is there a way to get it in food???

4. My hair is STILL not back to what it should be, after falling out.. The lugols helped once I started taking it, but its still thin, esp in the front. I used to have THICK curly hair. Ive lost some curl, too =( Any suggestions about growing back hair! ?

5. Ive been getting more & more spider viens!! What is the cause! ? How do I make these STOP and REVERSE! ? Im 27!!! Oy.

6. Hormones. I need to balance my hormones. I cant tolerate heat very well... I get SO HOT at night! Also, libido is very low.. And still low energy. =( Ive been taking maca.. And the lugols iodine.. Anything else?

Thanks thanks thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hi Shelly... The best time to take probiotics is after you have detoxed heavy metals and poisons and your body is clear. Once these poisons are eradicated from your intestines and your body then probioics will have a much more beneficial effect. Currently, all sorts of poisons, candida toxins and heavy metals are being dumped into your intestines so probiotics will not be effective because of these poisons in your intestines. Probiotics will, therefore not be so helpful until these poisons are completely eradicated from the body. Also, taking probiotics now may cause further die-off and or digestive problems when taken too early.

In answer to your questions:

1. Can juicing replace the alkalizing (BS & lemon)?? I feel its helping me much, and figure it has a whole lemon in it tons of enzymes & chlorophyll.. AND my TEETH are getting really sensitive to the lemon/acv!!! I have 2 teeth that are decaying as well.. So have to monitor this!!

Take the lemon/acv mixed with sodium bicarbonate as advised by Ted in his Alkalizing Remedies. Doing this helps you to avoid acid -- which, when combined with an acid food diet, is what is destroying your teeth. Bacteria can't eat tooth calcium, acid is what causes teeth to decay. I would continue both with the juicing but still take both the Sodium Bicarb plus water as well as take the alkaline form of lemon/ACV remedies as recommended by Ted. Also, I would stop adding lemon(citric acid) to your juicing to avoid the acid form. Juicing will certainly help to provide minerals and vitamins for the body and it is really up to you whether want to do this. The dosages of vitamins and minerals that I recommend in the protocol are very specific - particularly vitamin c, niacin, B vitamins, iodine, magnesium, alkalizing etc and are much higher orthomolecular dosages that would be well nigh impossible to achieve through diet.

2. I bought the Niacin (flush) vitamin in 1000mgs... And take that with my dinner... I cant really split it up. Is this problematic? I feel like this is whats causing the small "pinch/needle-like" feelings I get that linger.. I have about 4 of them now.

You can take niacin with meals -- this lowers the flush effect. But now, I tend to take 1000 mgs niacin 3 times a day but I take an aspirin dissolved in water twenty minutes before I take the niacin. Aspirin also opens up the blood vessels and so there is no flushing effect from the niacin when you take it after taking the aspirin. Magnesium Oil (magnesium chloride in water) - in larger dose -- with water, when taken before niacin, also helps to prevent or reduce the niacin flush for the same reasons. Taking niacin this way, outside mealtimes, also ensures that more niacin is absorbed into the body than if it is taken at mealtimes.

3. Instead of taking all these supplements, which I cant afford all the time, esp the ALA ($$$!! ), is there a way to get it in food???

Supplements, although not ideal, do allow you too regulate dosage amounts more precisely. If you tried to get these same orthomolecular dosage amounts through eating food, then these dosage amounts would be hit and miss -- not accurate. I am very suspicious of all food now -- even organic food is suspect in my own opinion.

4. My hair is STILL not back to what it should be, after falling out.. The lugols helped once I started taking it, but its still thin, esp in the front. I used to have THICK curly hair. Ive lost some curl, too =( Any suggestions about growing back hair! ?

Loss of hair can be caused for many reasons - the favourite being that candida fungus is attacking your scalp causing your hair to fall out. But hair loss can also be caused by low thyriod as well (also as a consequence of candida infections). If the outer rim of your eyebrows are hairless and your eyebrows appear too short in length then this may indicate that you may well have low thyroid as well as a fungal problem. The anti-candida protocol should both help to both kill the scalp candida as well as help to normalize your thyroid.

You can try topical remdeys like 5 drops of lavendar oil mixed with a teaspoon of VCO rubbed into the scalp. You can also try borax with 3% hydrogen peroxide in water left on your scalp overnight. But if none of these topical remedies work then your scalp infection has arisen from the candida infection in your blood and not from just an infection on the skin so that is why topical remedies won't cure it. I had tinea cruris or jock itch when I had systemic candida and I could not get rid of this fungal problem until after I got rid of my systemic candida(candida in the blood). Therefore curing this problem may take some time, so please be patient.

5. Ive been getting more & more spider viens!! What is the cause! ? How do I make these STOP and REVERSE! ? Im 27!!! Oy.

Taking protease enzymes(enzymes that digest dead organic proteins) in larger amounts helps to digest blockages in veins and capillaries. At the moment, I am taking pancreatic enzymes with added bromelain and papain enzymes twice a day (2 X 900 mgs doses) outsode mealtimes as a regular detox procedure. Protease enzymes are not toxic or poisonous. In Dr Gonazalez's Metabolic Protocol for cancer -- he recommends a daily dosage of between 130 -- 160 pancreatic enzyme tablets per day in his protocol. The pancreatc enzymes help to remove the dead organic proteins that may be blocking the capillaries causing swelling and spider veins. Using a 70% solution of DMSO topically (with aloe vera oil) will also help to dissolve the blockages in the capillaries. MSM, supplemented at 2,000mgs to 6,000 mgs a day should also help to clear spider veins. Avoid calcium or dairy in your diet -- as advised in the anti-candida protocol.

6. Hormones. I need to balance my hormones. I cant tolerate heat very well... I get SO HOT at night! Also, libido is very low. And still low energy. =( Ive been taking maca.. And the lugols iodine.. Anything else?

When you have low energy and a weakened immune system, then generally a weakened libido is the result. Again, you need to get rid of the candida, which is continually weakening your immune system with its own myctoxins, as well as build up the body with healthy nutrients. Supplementing borax and iodine as well as a proper anti-candida diet will greatly help to stabilize and balance your hormones(as advised in the anti-candida protocol).

An intolerance to heat would also seem to indicate a thyroid problem. To check if you have a thyroid problem, on waking up first thing in the morning you should use a basal thermometer to check underarm whether your body temperature is too high or too low. If your temperature is not 98.6°F then you probably have a thyroid problem.

Hi Shelly, I'm only posting this because you said you wanted more babies and would probably prefer to breast-feed. I worked full time until the day I delivered my first (left work early about 2 PM and had her at 9PM). I was told longer I breast-fed the better so when I went back to work I expressed during my breaks and at lunch so I could keep the baby on breast milk for a year. When my milk supply started to decrease, the nurse practitioner suggested pumping more more. I asked my immediate supervisor if I gave up my breaks and lunch (I would eat at my desk) could I pump every two hours. He approved it but continuously harassed me by asking me to give him the times I would be "doing that".

I kept her on breast milk for a year, got pregnant the next month (I was thirty-six and my clock was running out. I felt she had to have a sibling) then I was set up and terminated when I was five months pregnant with my second child for frequently being away from my desk and a decline in performance. DUH!!

The point I was trying to make was pumping more and drinking gallons of water kept up my milk supply even though working full-time and being harassed on the job. I drank the chlorinated city water and never had a problem with yeast or any of the multiple problems you shared. I drank water after every meal and after every time I pumped. Hope this gives you some hope! Where there is a will there is a way.

Update with me....

So lately, I've been feeling unusually strange. I have new symptoms, and am like "what the heck is going on with me!!! ". I'm actually kind of scared. Before I make a big deal, I thought that others may be dealing with the same. So... I still have the IBS (now, moreso constipation-like, but pretty regular with the candida diet - 2-3x/day. normal looking mostly), and the bladder issues (IC). I have some nausea here and there... And now my joints are starting to hurt, in my hands and arms. I also get tingling/numbness in my extremities. that come and go. and my arms/legs/feet/butt fall asleep easily if I lay down/sit a certain way. I sometimes even feel a overall 'buzzing' feeling in my entire body. Like in my nerves. The tingling & numbness bothers me the most. And is very concerning. It is def nerve/circulatory related, IMO. I dont like that my joints and back are hurting (I've had back issues since I was 14, and Im 27). My head has been itching a lot lately, too... Which hasnt happened before. I looked and theres nothing there, though. I still have low-grade yeast infections, and having relations is pretty painful. =( I am SO sick os being sick! Gosh. What is going on!!!! Tired of spending all my $$ on supplements and vitamins that dont seem to help much. I want answers. I want my body back! Im only 27, and Ive been like this for 14 months now! This is ridiculous. I am waiting on a parasitology test from AZ (a well-known expert) to see if there are parasites contributing to this issue, but my question is- does yeast really cause ALL THESE SYMPTOMS! ? I feel like theres a lot more going on... And how did I get to be this bad?? I ate organic & ran 15 miles/week for the past 5 yrs! I dont even know what tests to do anymore, which ones are accurate, what to take, how much to take, what to think... Lord Jesus, help me!

Hi Shelly... I feel you could be taking too many supplements/vitamins that could be countering each other or you are having reactions to the binders and/or fillers especially if they contain aspartame. The binders and/or fillers probably come from plants that have been genetically modified... (GMO). It appears you are taking stuff to get well but you are getting worse. All of our food has been tainted. The animals we eat or get milk and eggs from are being fed GMO grains and grasses. Our fruits and vegetables have been engineered to last longer. This is harder to digest.

The only way to find out if this is what is happening to you is to stop all of your supplements and eat the foods that supply the necessary vitamins and minerals you need. Don't eat raw fruits and vegetables. Cook them until tender so they are easier to digest and you are able to get the nutrients from them instead of just "passing through" your body. Blackstrap Molasses has the B-vitamins you need and is a good source of other nutrients. Get the frozen "country" orange juice concentrate for your Vit C.

I get up very early and right now I'm really tired but I wanted to reply to you... I hope I am making sense to you. It may take awhile to detox from the supplement/vitamin ingredients that could be making you feel so bad. The symptoms you described are what I felt when I was drinking aspartame sweetened drinks and taking vitamins that I thought I needed.

Get clean first, then if you find you are low in something add it back into your diet. You could be taking too much of something. The toxic effects of some vitamins are the same symptoms as a deficiency.

Shelly, your mentioning of a buzzing feeling reminded me of something. I have heard that in descriptions of MS. I don't wish to frighten you or something but its something to get checked.

Maybe you are just really tired though. Tired is awful.

Shelly: What to do when you don't know what to do? And all this information, and which is disinformation?

You must adopt a method, some path toward which at some point things begin making sense.

With all the complexity of the human anatomy and pathology, one must regress back to a textbook primary understanding. Short of going to pre-med school, I would very strongly recommend Dr Murray and Pizzorno's book The Encyclopedia Of Natural Medicine 2nd (maybe a 3rd) edition. The book is divided into sections, the first is this simplification method we need, the major body systems: Circulatory, Digestive, Immune, Detoxification, and Endocrine. Other section includes all the major illnesses affecting people.

Hope this helps.

No... Its not the supplements. When adding them in, I feel better (somewhat). If I dont take my lugols iodine, my hair starts falling out again. I know I have a hormonal imbalance. As far as diet, I cannot tolerate sugar, which led me to the candida diet. I also pee white stuff ( I have IC) and that plus the IBS and chronic yeast infections make me think its a yeast overgrowth. I just want to know if there is ANY ACCURATE TEST out there to confirm this! And, what doctor to go to! They are so so pricey too, which makes matter more difficult, seeing I dont have much money. I eat organic, all the way. Nothing out of a bag, box, or can. I juice a lot, too. All my supplements are pretty darn good ( my hubby works for a few vitamin companies, that are amazing.. So we know a lot about the supplement 'fillers' binders.. Etc.. ). Thanks for the concerns! I am going to go ahead and start cleansing. I am going on a kidney cleanse soon ( theyve been hurting a little), then coffee enemas and a few liver cleanses.

Have you had your thyroid checked? Many of your symptoms sound like a hypothyroid, especially the tingling hands/feet. Do you find you are often cold, or very sensitive to temperature? Ask your doctor for a complete thyroid panel, not just TSH - you need T4, T3, reverse T3 and thyroid antibodies.

It may be worth while to have a urine hormone analysis as well. Often it's not just the thyroid that is out of balance, but several hormones at the same time. Blood analysis is not sufficient, you really need to have a urine analysis. If your doctor won't order the test (not unusual! ) find an independent bioidentical hormone replacement clinic. You can have the testing done there. Your insurance may cover the test, if not it is usually around $300 to test all your hormones.

Good luck! I'm going through something very similar, and I wish you the best!

Parasites could be a reality so you might want to add garlic and onions (not the sweet ones) to your food. I have read that you want to make your body uninhabitable to the critters. I can't get my hands on my nutrition book this instant but I think cloves, oregano and St. Johnn's Wort are listed.

Hi Shelley... Perhaps another useful thing you could do is to contact Dr David Brownstein, who lives and works in West Bloomfield in Michigan -- quite close to where you live. He is a certified doctor and naturopath. Here is the address of his clinic:

The Center for Holistic Medicine
5821 W. Maple Rd., Ste 192
West Bloomfield, MI 48322
Tel: (248) 851-1600
Website: http://www.drbrownstein.com/

Dr Brownstein has written many well-known books on iodine, fibromylalgia, bio-identical hormones, sea salt, gluten, allergies and vitamins.

I'm sure that Dr Brownstein will be able to help you more to resolve all your current issues which seem to be a mixture of problems that includes fungal and bacterial infections, hormone imbalance, toxins from candida and possibly both thyroid and adrenal insufficiency. Dr Brownstein will know exactly what tests you must take -- he is a very knowledgeable naturopathic doctor whose approach to healing is quite different to most regular medical doctors.

So an update with me and my problems! Ha! I had a test done 5 weeks ago.. Parasitology/bacteriology/yeast (samples and swab) by a VERY good lab in AZ. Here are my results:

Candida. Candida dividing. Undigested tissue. Undigested food. Mucus. White blood cells. Fatty acid crystals. Starch granules. Moderate amount of bacteria: E. Coli & Klebsiella sp. Pollen. Epithelial cells (squamous & columnar). Charcot-Leyden crystals *COULD be an indicator of E. Histolytica... and no other pathogens found. SO! Whats next? I dont know! I need to contact my ND next... I am hoping she doesnt put me on a bunch of expensive pills.

For the record, I am on Teds/Bills candida protocol. I eat ONLY organic. Jog 2 miles 3x/week ( If I can! ), drink LOTS of distilled water w/ minerals.. Take a good liquid multi.. LOTS of garlic.. Coconut oil.. green juice (32 oz/day). I also take some probiotics once before breakfast, found at the health food store. I make a coconut milk/vegan protein shake when needed. My tingling hands/feet and extreme tiredness/lethargy are the most concerning. NO MORE yeast infestions, though =) Also.. I am half way through a heavy metal cleanse.. I think its taking out some stuff, because I feel a bit different, and my IC is acting up.

I want to do hair mineral analysis and blood work. Any good suggestions anyone for this? What tests to take? Which ones are accurate? I dont want to waste ANY MORE money!