Natural Approaches for Scabies: Exploring Effective Remedies

Seeing how you are able to get about much, you may try and pay em' a visit. They are located just across the Tn/Ky border at Salinas in the Cumberland River basin in the community named Hestand Ky. They have very good cancer treatment protocols and help people from near & far.

Speaking of Sauna, I have been using the Steam room & Sauna faithfully for yrs until recently become unable. These treatments are certainly great for detoxing and generally invigorating. My condition is slowly improving and am hoping to get back to the health club this month and live thru one more winter.

Hope to hear of any improvements in your case.

I got a kick out of Rees comment about my having lots of health problems. I have lots of health problems because I test when most don't. I am on my second round of blood cancer in 3 years because I test before problems become clinical.

It's the high jumper story. What are you? "I'm a high jumper". How high do you jump? "Pretty dang high". And how high is that? " Way higher than most folks in this area". Exactly, how high is this? " A little less than 6 ft."

Partner, I don't know what you are, but you are no high jumper.

Most folks don't know their problems because they don't test. They don't know their health condition until it hits them in the face. I know where I am because I test.

Going to Dr Shallenberger in Jan. because he has a test like no other physician on the planet. He gets it down to the cell level. I was successful in the paper industry because I listened to folks smarter me. At 78, my challenge is my good health and I still listen to folks smarter me.

What tests are you talking about? For openers, all on EC should take their urine and saliva pH test once a week. That will keep you busy for quite awhile. Take your glucose and blood pressure daily . Chump change. Spit in a glass of water and you will know about your Candida. No MD needed.

A few tests and you will know more about your health than your MD.

ATS =======OLE ROBERT HENRY====

I have researched and would be open at this point to prescription medications, but most resources state that complete recovery is not often achieved even with repeated doses and I am not willing to use pesticides without the guarantee or even a high chance of success. Please help us find a way to put this misery behind us; we welcome any advice, tips and hope from your own similar experiences.

A thought first: First check the possibilty that it may be 'folliculitis' as scabies is often diagnosed incorrectly.

I scrubbed my large area of infection on the knee with neat conditioner (I use any unbranded name). They are better than the one that is head and shoulders above the rest for infections. I use neat conditioner for most things especially eczema.

This cleared the area of surface critters. However, I notice there often isn't a distinction between 'I'm free of them' to 'I'm free of the infection underneath the skin'.

The following is not for the faint hearted. I can only say this is what I did and not saying do it.

I poured a very small amount of 33% peroxide into a small glass. I then add a little water. The mixture was very powerful, way beyond 10%.

With a cotton bud I rubbed into the infected burrow lines till they opened and whoosh the peroxide just killed everything. The process was so painful that I thought I couldn't bear it but I keep pushing the bud. The off white residue was hard so I washed it down. Later, I repeated the process on the missed areas.

I can always tell if there is any infection under the skin because if I press an area it feels like a pin sticking in me. My knee looked like I had fallen on gravel that cut deeply into my flesh.

At last the infection had gone. Now I am recovering and applying simple balms to the sores. There is no scarring of 'burnt' areas.

Max

chlorinated

Not sure if "non-chlorinated" bleach is real bleach. I put one or two cups of bleach in the bathtub, about the same hydrogen peroxide, then fill up the tub.

If you read the scientific literature on scabies, it is generally cured with one dose of Ascabiol or benzyl benzoate.

E.g.: Landegren, J. et al. Treatment of scabies with disulfiram and benzyl benzoateemulsion: a controlled study.

In a double-blind study, 38 adults with scabies were treated with the scabicide Tenutex (a proprietary aqueous emulsion containing 0.5% DDT, 2% disulfiramand 22.5% benzyl benzoate) and 42 patients were treated with a similar emulsion lacking DDT. The treatment consisted of a single whole-body (except for the head) application which was washed off after 24 hours. When examined 3 weeks later, both groups were completely cured. Thereafter, a further 35 patients took part in an open trial with the DDT-free Tenutex emulsion and allpatients were cured, irrespective of whether the treatments were administeredby skilled personnel or by themselves at home. It is concluded that for the treatment of scabies in Sweden, the most commonly used preparation, Tenutex, can be replaced, without risk of loss of efficacy, by an emulsion containing 2% disulfiram and 22.5% benzyl benzoate, I.e. Tenutex without DDT.

Personally, I'm using clove bud oil. After 3 days most of my itching has gone, and many mites have died and surfaced through my skin. Clove kills the mites, but apparently not (all) the eggs, so I'll keep applying it for 6-8 weeks till the breeding cycle is over. As for fanatically laundering and hot-drying your clothing and bedding daily, spraying your entire house daily (including the ceilings! ), etc: Why? The literature is clear that scabies mites survive 24-36 hours only off the human body: "Human and canine scabies mites are capable of surviving for 24–36 hours at room temperature and retain the ability to re-establish infestation. Canine mites dislodged from a host respond to host odour and thermal stimuli by actively seeking their source. Despite the detection, survival and penetrative abilities of S scabiei when kept at room temperature, the role of contaminated bedding as a reservoir for infestation appears to be overemphasised. For example, in experiments where volunteers climbed into warm beds just vacated by heavily infected patients, only four new cases resulted from 272 attempts." (Google it.) Yes, you do need to treat scabies. Yes, you do need to wash your clothes and bedding - or abandon them for a few days to let the mites die.

John

Away from human contact, scabies mites die within 3 days; so it would probably be cheaper to just rent a motel for a couple nights then return to your home. Go to Starbucks with your sanitized suitcase in the car, stay there 12 hrs, then stay in a motel for the night, the next day, and another night if you want to be sure.

When you get home, all the mites will be dead, and you didn't have to sanitize every inch of your home.

But all the above is overkill anyway...that's my point.

I tried the Hydrogen Peroxide/Bleach/Water bath. That was good.

But I really started to notice improvement after spraying the quarter-sized rash (with several tiny, satellite bumps) with bleach/water (1 part bleach, 1 part water). The rash was on the inner wrist, where you feel your pulse.

Spraying it with the diluted bleach always made the itching go away (I don't know how). After a couple days, I saw visible improvement. I thought it might have been my imagination, but I was pretty sure it was diminishing. Now I'm absolutely sure it's diminished, because I can barely see it anymore.

Many reviewers here have recommended washing everything in sight...washing clothes, etc. I washed my clothes and sheets once, and tried to clean up the place some, but I honestly don't think it's crucial.

I understand the constant itching drives you mad, so you probably overreact and spray every inch with bleach. And I suppose that's a good thing, but in my experience, treating the affected area is good enough.

Maybe a bleach/water bath also, just so you get every inch of your body...after all, Scabies can only thrive on the human body.

I am SO glad this is gone. I was staying inside almost every day because it was disgusting...looked like a cluster of miniature grapes. When I went out to run errands, I wrapped bandages around it...couldn't see the rash, but then I looked like a suicide victim.

Sounds like you didn't listen to your doctor, on he/she didn't tell you anything about what to expect.

Permethrin does NOT make you good as new after 2 days. You have to apply it, usually wait 7 days, then apply again. Then it takes weeks for the rash and itching to go away.

I also made up a spray bottle of about 20oz warm water and added 2 Tbs borax and 2Tbs hydrogen peroxide. I spray this all over my house and when I have an itch I put it on my skin and let it dry there. After that I still use the coconut oil (2Tbs melted) with 4-5drops of Thieves oil-its got clove in it--and I put that on the itchy spots as well. We also put the tea tree oil in the baths at night as well-we then air dry to let the oil and borax stay on our skin. After that I cover in the coconut oil I have found some very dry/leathery like spots on my skin after borax-but its so much better than a scabies itch-so I will lotion or oil up. We also put borax in all our laundry loads washing everything on super hot (we turned our hot water heater all the way up) and drying everything completely (and putting all pillows in the dryer daily for 20-30min)

We will continue the nightly bath ritual (which takes about 4 hours for 6 people it seems). For a few more days at least-until the baby is completely healed-and then we will probably do every 2-3 days for awhile just in case-I'm not risking re-infection--this has been a nightmare.

This was an AMAZING find!! Borax and Hydrogen Peroxide made all the difference for the cure!!!! Thank You Thank You thank you!!! Getting our lives back. :)

Re Ted's formula for mite infestation and your question on Ted's use of DMSO...

I've been using DMSO longer than most any other "curative" item ...about 30 years. Just used it a day ago on Impetigo case which is children's infection by bacteria. Used Bentonite clay, DMSO, H2O2 and Colloidal Silver to form the "plaster"... Wrapped infected finger with clay mix. Let dry and washed off. Then assuming for caution sake the infection might also contain spores of fungus, also applied to dry surface, a powder form of anti fungal and held that in place with paper towel. Finally, a re application of the Clay / DMSO mix.

The point is the DMSO was used easily on child with no ill effects. Only helped. I also use DMSO on any sign of Bells Palsey, for instance....I mix DMSO fifty fifty with colloidal silver and apply on affected side with white paper towel. Only ten days ago I suddenly had a swollen forefinger on left hand. Out of the blue....couldn't figure why since I'd done no exercise/ yard work etc the day before....I used DMSO straight on swollen area. Worked the area and now days later no swelling. I found I could "move" the swollen joint and "pop" it in place. Almost no sensitivity now.

I'm just trying to point out all the times I use DMSO. Not weekly, but I bet I use DMSO eight or nine times yearly on myself, and have now for over three decades.

Watch on youtube, DMSO, dr Jacobs, sixty minutes and you'll find a great three part program on DMSO.

I have a confirmed case of scabies and it has been 8 months of trying to get rid of it. I have tried everything i.e., medicines and natural treatments but none of these cure it only temporary fix. The disease has gone above my neck and is in my hair and I have had them on my face as well. This has been the challenge. I copied down a recipie from Ted's Earth Clinic and wanted to know if this will kill the mites in my hair as well. I'm a little reluctant to use DMSO because I heard controversial things about it. Here is Ted's recipie: Also, have done the Borax & peroxide rinse in the hair. It helps but does not cure it. Below is Ted's recipie. Any other advice would be welcomed. I am at my wits end with this and suffering greatly. A response would be appreciated.

Questions:

1. How do you measure 2.5%, 4% or 5% I.e. tablespoons or teaspoons?

2. how long do you leave it on and for what duration time?

3. Does this treatment get put on the body as well as the scalp?

PLEASE ADVISE.

Ted's comment: All oils are carrier oils, but their penetrant ability is limited, except for DMSO...I have found castor oil mixed with DMSO to be good - 25% castor oil and 75% DMSO. Then you can mix it with mustard powder, mustard oil, or d limonene at, say, 2.5%. That will take care of killing the mites. Plus, you add, say, 4% or 5% lavender oil. They're the approximate numbers I calculate

When I started removing the emotional stress and found a wonderful ayurvedic immune builder I got well. That along with gentle exercise causes the eggs to be destroyed under the skin.

Consider that your immune system is a river running just below your skin. It is constantly sending little pacman white blood cells to cleanse many places including under your skin. That is where the eggs are hiding and the immune buggies are going to gobble them up. That is UNLESS they are not there because they are not well fed enough and not rested enough and too sick from overwork stress and toxins they will be too few and far in-between to do the job. Smoking, alcohol & sugar lack of sleep, anger and overwork all suppress the immune system. Turn these things around.

A healthy immune system will kill the eggs. Please be kind & don't harm yourself with super hot water, borax, bleach & pesticide. These might kill a few bugs but will harm you. That is not necessary.

Support your immunity. Google it. Remove the source of scabies in the environment daily. Then use the non-toxic preps you have learned about here. I made a lotion similar to the soap mentioned. Mine had coconut oil, 5 - 10 drops of activated MMS, a few drops of anise essential oil, a little Tamanu or castor oil and that's about it. The bugs are no big deal to kill. It is the eggs that nothing can seem to touch until your immune system kicks in. Simple.

I was sick with it for over six months until I realized this aspect of the healing and then totally got well when the immune system healed.
Bless.

Great that the sulfur and oil protocol is working for you. Pet lovers have told me that this is an inhumane treatment, and I needed to move into the 21 century. Funny, I thought I had.

=======OLE ROBERT HENRY ========

The treatment I've been using since 12/27/2013 is 1 cup coconut oil + 1 Tblsp sulfur powder. I spread it all over my body and really scrub it in where the scabies are the most active (greatest concentration of red bumps or where skin has grown thick or crusted over). 1 cup is good for about 4 days used twice a day.

I'm happy to report that I'll probably be scabies free in about a week. I'm now sleeping 5-7 hrs a night and I've got no major itching, and all swelling has gone away. Large areas on back, shoulders, buttocks & thighs are clear, only red smooth skin where massive bumps once were.

However on my right leg, the first place to show symptoms, is proving to be difficult to oust the scabies. It has thickened skin, in some places it has been very crusty and I really scrub it down, and remove the dead skin each shower. This uncovers more scabies lines / burrows which the sulfur & oil will destroy with enough scrubbing.

I'm also talking 3 Symbiotics Colostrum Plus capsules twice a day. Couldn't find water kefur grains locally and no $ to order online right now. Found a 20 oz water kefur drink for $8 or $9 but the flavor didn't sound appealing and it was at most 2 servings.

The one drawback to this treatment regimen is that I shiver alot, even if the room temp is 85 degrees and I'm bundled up many layers of clothes. I just can't stay warm. This is usually what awakens me before morning comes. I am shivering but find I'm actually sweating on the side I lay on. By the time this happens the coconut oil is absorbed into the skin and it feels quite dry on the opposite side to where I sleep, or on my arms.

I still spray water+borax and vacuum once a day, and keep up the routine of washing all bedding and clothing, usually 4 -5 loads of laundry a day. I'll be glad when I can back off that, but I won't until I see no new bumps for at least 4 days. I'm close, but still finding 3 - 6 bumps appearing on my arms and various other places. I wear latex gloves most of the time and am very watchful of wear new bumps appear; if on the arms, hands or feet I try to determine if they were introduced from on my body or the environment. Most of the time now they come from some place on my person.

So that's about it. This treatment works, though it takes many iterations to achieve clear skin. In my case it was about the only treatment that I could see was effective. I did try DMSO+Borax+H202, and that also works, but is really harsh on the skin. Also used MMS+DMSO with same results. I use that as a spot treatment of small patches. It seems to burn the skin and leave it red and sensitive.

Anyway, thanks to EarthClinic and all who post here and give their reports of their tribulations and remedies. This is an excellent example of how the Internet brings us together to help one another, to foster a sense of real community.

Good luck everyone!

When I tried the olive oil & sulfur I didn't repeat it or keep it up. Perhaps a mixture of sulfur + olive oil + coconut oil + a few drops of tea tree oil would be a good combo. The olive oil sticks around longer and the tea tree oil might interfere with offspring reproduction.

Hey all these trials are just slightly educated guesses. The good thing is they are natural. That's not to say they can't hurt you (like the burn I gave myself from cayenne in it; still have a few red patches from that! ).

Your technique of looking for dead mites the next morning is interesting. Sounds like you have a scientific perspective, trying to find evidence like that. Bravo! It's a tough problem to solve without good feedback, and that is limited.

If you assume there are several or many (another unknown to factor in) different groups of bugs & their offspring, your collection method might not be representative of all of them. But it's the best idea I've heard of.

I might give it a try to see if I can even spot one of the little buggers. I spent 5 minutes trying to see if I could spot one with a magnifying glass on my leg with no luck. One problem I foresee with the clear tape approach is that there will likely be lots of dead skin cells on the tape and they may actually interfere with spotting bugs. Worth a try tho.

When I returned home on Christmas day I was itching pretty badly. I reviewed the various things I've tried and paused when I came to sulfur+olive oil. I remember reading how sulfur has been used as a scabies cure for over a 1000 years. So why didn't work I asked myself. Sulfur+DMSO didn't work very well and neither did any thing else with sulfur.

Since I do get some relief (tho not a cure) from coconut oil, I decided to mix 1 cup of coconut oil with 1 Tblsp sulfur powder. I spread the light yellow liquid onto two of the worst places and no stinging. Did that 2 more times, never any stinging so I did entire body.

I felt much relief when I came out of the bathroom. Was able to get 3.5 hrs of sleep before awakening to itching. But visual inspection showed many areas looked much better. I know it's gonna require relentless repetition as sulfur only kills the adult mites. When the next batch of eggs hatch there better be plenty of sulfur on the skin surface to greet them.

I feel better and arms are really improving. Have used the coconut oil + sulfur twice now, about to go in for another shower. I also re-coated some itchy spots couple of hrs ago. The coconut oil seems to do a much better job of getting the sulfur into the skin. I'm going to keep after the 'lil buggers and eventually there will be no more to hatch.

Now onto your feedback.

Tom from TX: My friend suggested kerosine, and I tried it on a spot. Didn't seem to help. Tea Tree oil has a turpentine element in it as well, but didn't really work for me either. I have heard about the Cedarcide, but need to google it to get details. I don't have enough bandwidth for YouTube here at the house, but will definitely see what it has to offer when I go into town next. Thanks much for suggestions.

Tg from AL: Thanks for the tip on getting Ivermectn at farm supply stores. I'll check into that on next visit to one.

Mike 62: I've heard of kefir but don't know much about it. Is it a fermented process? Again, an excellent suggestion I will look into further. Thank you for your input!

Robert Henry: You're absolutely right, it will take persistence to kill all the newly hatched bugs since the sulfur only kills adults and as you point out there will be successive waves of new bugs to kill. Right now there are so many its just a matter of hours between waves, based on how often the severe itching occurs. I'll be more hopeful if I continue to see improvement and the time between waves gets longer and longer. It might even be worth considering full shower + treatment when I feel the need to itch. But doing so also implies much more laundering and I am already doing that almost non-stop now. I was prescribed the exact same steroid you mentioned, but it is all gone now. It definitely helps to stop the itching, but read elsewhere it has some bad side affects, so for now I will avoid it. Hot water is 155 degrees into washer. Cools to 122 just as agitator starts cycle. So I add 1 or two large pots of boiling water to raise it back up to 140 degrees or more.

Theresa: I agree. I intend to check into the info Mike wrote about. Don't know about the colostrum tho. I know what that is, it most certainly would be good to take, but not sure where to get it. I'll ask about it at farm supply on next visit. I gotta say tho that it does kindof put me off, like eating bugs & cows brains do.

Thanks everyone for taking the time to reply with your wonderful and positive input.

EarthDweller still hanging in there...

Some friends of mine swear by Freedom 45 - pyrethrin based.

Google "freedom 45 scabies" for a Topix discussion that may give you ideas as well.

Because parasite are attracted to the energy from a weakened immune system, do consider Mike's advise for nutritional supplements to take to help you heal from the inside out.

If you are constantly being reinfected, you may have to step up your cleaning routine and spread borax powder about and leave it down to prevent the mites from establishing any new colonies or hiding spots in your home.

My evolution with mites went like yours and others that have posted. I did not post my whole story six months ago. I will because I think folks can cut to the chase by reading it. The mites first showed up on my right knee and then covered my body. Like you I went to the drug store and bought 1 % OTC Permethrim which is for head lice and useless. I then went to my MD and he prescribed 5 % Permithrim which is also useless. I then went to the Farm Co-op and bought 10% Permithrim that is used on horses. That did some good. At the same time I was doing the peroxide, borax baths and bathed with a sulfur soap. All this time I thought I had Demodex mites and it may have been. Dog mange is Demodex mites and I have cured many dogs and I can tell you that my cure is far better than Ted's. Anyway, that is the rational for using sulfur soap. I also bought the hottest Mexican pepper sauce available and coated my body while standing in my bath.

At the same time I was isolating my bed linens and washing with our hot water heater wide open. We covered my mattress with Diatomaceous Earth and totally enclosed the mattress in plastic cover. Things were getting better but not rid of the critters yet. I then went to a very good Dermatologist and carried him samples of both the male and females mites. We collected them with a lint roller. He prescribed an ointment , Triamcinolone Acetonide , 0.025% with instructions to cover my body morning and night.

All this time I had been useing my FIR Sauna daily. Read where heat of 120 F would kill them , so I upped my sauna temperature to 160 to 180 F. Went back to the Dermotologist in two weeks and he declared that the ointment had worked and just coat my body once a day. I never went back and stayed with my hot sauna's for two more weeks. He did not send the mite samples off for identification and said it was just a rash.

In hind sight, I think all these posts help, but I am convinced that it is the heat that truly rids you of these critters. For me, it seems ridiculous to think changing your diet will cure you of a skin parasite. Hope my long winded diatribe has given you good earth clinic folks a short cut to solving your mite problem. Ain't life interesting?

=========OLE ROBERT HENRY===========

The roundworm trnt drug Ivermectin, if I am not mistaken, is also indicated for parasites such as mites, scabies, etc. It is available in mostly liquid or paste and may work topically but it may do to try some also orally.

Google "Turpentine scabies" and you'll find a lot of information on the use of turpentine "baths" to kill the little critters. Caution; only one cap full in a whole bath. More as you can learn to tolerate higher doses. Also google "healing with Turpentine tony pantalleresco youtube" and he has an extensive description of the very old medicinal uses of turpentine...uses that go back a hundred years.

Also there is a powerful substance you can use on the skin called Cedarcide made in Texas that kills about anything but won't hurt a person or animal. Apply to skin and I bet it would work on mites too. It will on larger mites, so why not the microscopic ones?

I have scabies over a large portion of my body. The worst is my right leg which became infected and swollen. That's what led me to seek an MD in the first place.

I just finished a round of Cipro (antibiotic) and was also given a shot of Medrol at that time. That seemed to take care of the majority of the swelling & infection.

But the leg is still very red with some swelling. When I treat it with borax / h202 it oozes clear pus here and there, but it's very minor compared to when I first went to the Dr. I see a few of the scabie "trails" after putting the solution on, and if they itch I scrub them real well and I can finally get them to sting and die, as they then fade and go away.

My point is that I believe the remedy is the best I've seen, and it does work, but persistence is very, very important as is cleaning your environment. That is why repeating the process every day is required until you can get yourself & the environment rid of the beasts.

Another important point is that if you have thickened skin (as I have on my leg) you may need to use a stronger penetrating agent (such as DMSO) to get the borax under the skin to where the mites and their eggs are.

I still haven't had a full nights rest yet. An hour or two after going to sleep I awaken shivering. I live in a small (less than 1000 sq ft) house which is heated by a wood stove. The bedroom stays about 10 degrees cooler than the living room, but it's close to 69 degrees in the bedroom. I have no idea what is causing that. Perhaps it's a side effect from leaving the permethrin on too long, or perhaps it's my ultra dry skin caused by the borax treatments.

Right now for example I'm sitting right in front of the stove, it's 80 degrees and I'm beginning to shiver. I've been out of bed for 6 hours now and I'm starting to notice some itchyness on my back and a little on my arms. So I'm about to go the bathroom, switch on the electric heater and do some spot applications of the borax / h202 solution where I itch and put on fresh clothing.

Thats my update. I will keep posting in hopes that this information my help others, even if it's just to provide a measure of comfort by knowing you're not alone in your struggle.

Bye for now.

The reason for my post is to say THANK YOU, THANK YOU THANK YOU TED! For this remedy. I was actually looking for a remedy for scabies when I came across this.

I've been suffering from this since October but now I have real hope. MDs won't help, search engines obscure results in favor for establishment treatments that don't work and cost boo-kew bucks, and that is simply ridiculous and downright psychopathic in this information age. Just shows how screwed up values are in this country.

Last night at my wits end I decided to try yet another internet search for something, anything to make some progress on this problem. When I found this I immediately checked to see if I had any h202 around. I had 3oz of 3%, so diluted made 10.5oz to which I added 1.5 tbls of Borax.

After showering the 3% permethrin off of me I'd been wearing for 4 days (yes I know that's bad), and applying the borax/h202 solution to my poor tortured body, I felt tingling, stinging where I tried it on my lower leg. After giving myself a rather nasty burn from using a self made concoction of sulfur powder+vaseline+cayenne extract, I only did the worst spot to see what happened. After a few minutes the stinging went away entirely so I proceeded to another spot. Same response, so I repeated this over my entire body. The stinging is a bit uncomfortable but it doesn't last long and it tells you the solution is working.

I felt great and was able to fall asleep quickly, although I was pretty confident I would reinfest myself getting from the bathroom to the bed. Sure enough, I awoke about 2 hrs later with a couple of itchy areas. I was hoping it might just be the result of ultra dry skin, but it wasn't. So after 30 minutes passed without being able to fall asleep again I arose and went straight to the bathroom to see how bad the re-infestation was. It wasn't nearly as bad as I thought it would be.

So I showered off the old borax and had just enough to reply. The stinging was there again but not as severe or long lasting. But I knew this would be a sure cure if I could clean up my environment. Although I tried to be careful after the 2nd treatment I was highly confident I would be re-infested before I could leave the house to replenish supplies and mount a serious effort to evict the little buggers with borax.

When I returned home that afternoon I could feel some of the itching return, though FAR FAR less than before. Although I was dog tired and need to get some sleep I knew what would happen if I tried before carefully and thoroughly cleaning everything.

I have sprayed a solution of borax & water on the waterbed (no bedding on it), the carpets and in the bathroom. I'm waiting for it to dry before hoping in the shower to apply the 3rd round of borax / h2o2 solution.

This time I used a large garbage bag and unloaded the dryer directly into it. I sure hope I've cleaned those dang things out of here and tonight will be first night of restful sleep. Trying to decide whether to shower first or get the bedding ready to sleep on.

Anyway, I'm now confident I have the knowledge & tools to overcome this ordeal and get on with my life one again.

EarthDweller

Last year when I was addressing Lymphoma, I had an out break of mites of some kind. I think it was associated with the cancer as Hulda Clarks says. Anyways, I went to my doctor and he gave me an insecticide. That did not work, so I went to a Dermatoligist and he gave me a gel that was supposed to smother them. The sorry rascal did not send the specimans off for indentification.

I read where mites die at 120 degrees so we washed all my clothes and bed sheets with the hot water heater on maximam. I took a FIR Sauna at 160 degrees every day. That solved my problem. Any other treatment besides heat , then you are pissen in the wind.

Know lots of you don't have the money for a FIR Sauna, but you dang sure know how to build a fire. The native Indians used heat to solve a lot of their health problems. You figure out how to get your skin above 120 degrees and you are home free.

For parasites that are in the skin, heat is the only solution. Otherwise you have a long drawn out process. Heed what I say. I've been there.

Love you like a FIRST COUSIN. == OLE RH ====

If your scabies are visible, then they aren't scabies. If you are having symptoms of black specks, little skin-colored grains, sharp 'pebbles', splintery organisms and hair-like things coming out of your skin, I URGE you to research Morgellons. Do NOT use Wikipedia for information on this condition, as they are incredibly biased on the subject. There is a lot of misinformation out there to sort through.

If you have been fighting 'scabies' for more than a few months, or if you have been seeing organisms coming out of your skin, chances are you are experiencing Morgellons. You cannot kill Morgellons with scabies treatments.

I wish I had found out about this months earlier. Someone posted something similar on a scabies forum, and I ignored the information because a) I didn't want it to be true and b) the Wikipedia page was so biased as to not include any pathogenically based studies on the subject.

Do not despair--if this is what you have, you are one step closer to a cure by knowing what you're after.

Here is a link to a study on the subject http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3751012/

I suggest you visit a Morgellons website as well to read descriptions of the symptoms from people themselves. I repeat: don't let yourself get pulled in by misinformation.

After mixing both oils in lotion, let dry. Then when completely dry apply the DE and rub it in. During this time times when you shower, you should be scrubbing with sulfur soap and allowing it to remain unwashed off on the skin, for a min of ten min. Do not skimp on the time. Ten full min or more then completely wash off. Grisi is the brand of the 10% sulfur soap.

Also most importantly, many come here looking for advise and may assume they have a condition when they may not. I've seen people who did not know they had bed bugs complained to their derm about scabies or other single infections. Keep in mind there are a variety of mites also the have very different habits of existence. Some living in the skin, in the environment and longer than expected without food supply. See a doc if you can. If not, do your self a favor and research and get feedback from a trusted friend or loved one.

Materials (things I used, for methods/application see detail below or look at posts from others)

Drop cloths (plastic) for furniture (pack of 3 best value at Walmart) Tape to secure drop cloths on furniture Tack mats (use shelf paper upside down, taped to floor with blue tape) Clean room tack mats avail online, but sometimes hard to get quickly delivered. Swiffers Bleach wipes Clorox cleanup Latex gloves, disposable one use only Ziplock bags Marker Towels small (Walmart has 12 for $15 in the car wash isle, I used these for the showers instead of washing lots of large towels after one use Towels, medium ( hair, showers) Bleach for laundry wash Scotch packing tape to collect bugs (clear is good for microscope review, can bring samples to doctor) Lice gel treatment - took to using this on whole body, then shower. Walmart had large bottles. Cleaned and reused combs, was nice to have a stable of clean combs to grab. Rx permethrin RxTriamcinolone. 1% Rx Hydrocortisone 2.5% just caused caking of cream on skin and caused patient to just feel hot. Sarna skin original cream (normal has like. Cooling camphor in it, sensitive has no cooling gent. Cooling gents like c phor in creams are not well tolerated by kids, they tend to get cold and cannot tolerate term until bath, even warm bath water is colder when the creamed skin hits the bath. Sarna skin sensitive cream, better for kids. Sulfur soap. Sulfur soap felt nice on skin, but scaled up the shower door with residue. Hand sanitizer Orange oil Tea tree oil Coconut oil Sulfur cream 10%(best was de la cruz sulfur ointment posada de azure 10%) best cost was Walmart or cvs. Mothballs or moth ice Vacuum bags or space saver bags Trash bags Foot powder borax bran iodide ( Walgreens) Walgreens fast acting odorless analgesic crime, trolamine salicylate 10%, inactive ingredient aloe barbadensis leaf extract, Cheryl alcohol, glycerin, mineral oil, potassium phosphate, propyl paraben steric acid, triethanolamine, water, (did not work as well as muscle rub to quit the bug skin sensation) Muscle rub ultra strength Walgreen s brand (active ingredients: camphor 4%, menthol , methyl salicylate 30%', inactive ingresdientss: carbomer, dis odium EDTA, glyceryl lstearate SE, lanolin, ploys ornate 80, potassium hydroxide, steric acid, trolls mine, water Concepts This is ALL OUT WAR. It will have costs, waste generation and some casualties lost. Get a calendar, note dates of treatment, doctor visits, any other details of the day: what treatments were done This will help you remember ( this situation often feels like Groundhog Day, lonely, hard work, volume of things to do) Note any creams used on whom and number of times per day of showers, creams, oils, etc When something changes for better or worse or to show progress the calendar visual is very helpful It also helps as a communication tool with doctors who do not know how you feel and do not understand the depression, manic feelings and urgency that the patient feels. It helps guide the discussion. It helps they understand you situation timeline. Push for immediate appt s with dermatologist or other doctors, the delay in a dermatologist appt caused some of the explosion of this population after the primary doc timed the treatments wrong. Dermatologists like the easy schedule of their practice (primadonas) , often they see no urgency (until of course you are in their office and they see you then they act ingratiatingly urgent. Otherwise be prepared that most doctors don't care or get it or understand the disease. They are detached and just following a script, despite very contagious and the need for the patient to stay away from work and daycare. If you don't get the treatment right the first time, permethrin treatments Rx is expensive because the pharmacy coverage is considering one tube per month. Despite requirement to use it in one day and then a week layer again all one day. There are a lot of out of pocket expenses here. Minimize your costs by managing the care provider, be firm, tell them what you need don't expect them to know or understand the strict all-out-warfare protocols. Make sure doctor knows to prescribe one tube for each person in house, even if the other family members are not seen. All housemates need treatment. Rx only covers a tube per person. Get greedy to request or force another tube, if you spill it, you won't have enough. If they won't prescribe for a spouse, call the spouses doctor immediately, tell the doctor what was diagnosed and what you were prescribed and get them to call in a prescription for the other family members. There are different permethrin manufacturers. The Targets pharmacy permethrin (Actvis mid atlantic llc brand) was more liquidy and easier to spread. Cvs (Perrigo brand) pharmacies have more creamy, thicker application. Harder to spread and cover everything. Disability coverage by employer for adult is helpful to cover child care issues. Child cannot mix with other kids when infected. Dermatologists charge to complete employer forms for disability coverage. My child and I had scabies, she could not go to school. At least I got the doctor to understand that I should be kept home with scabies and not impact my coworkers. Being able to care for my child when no other care was available was helpful. Did not have vacation available to use. Dermatologist do not know how to fill company disability forms out. Ensure you carefully check the paperwork. Ensure they know they cannot charge you for incorrectly completing the paperwork. Do not let them go or leave their office until you submit the paperwork via fax or make them fax it, look it over for correctness yourself, and get your company nurse or hr rep to approve the paperwork. Dermatologists take their time correcting their errors and it can affect your employers system, discipline tolerance, etc. Nurse practitioners at work who know your case through hr can help prescribe follow ups if needed because of a negligent Dermatologist. The disruption of sleep during this infestation also affects your mind and mental state. Realize that you are the only advocate for your child. No one else cares about your kid unless you make them act. Dermatologist just want you and your infested cloud out of their office. You are there because you are sick, they would rather have patients with appointments for Botox or other high dollar treatments. General actions: Couches & mattresses & seats wiped with bleach wipes Heat treat everything in dryer Everything in bags (all toys, all clothes, rugs, pillows, blankets, ) Vacuum bags (space saver bags) with moth balls Full utilization of washer /dryer, use and schedule with little down time. I even woke up through the night to do another load. All toys that cannot be wiped need to be put away in bags for 1-2 months or more. Kid won't miss it. Kid to take a bath, with three oil treatment Keep asking them if they are itchy Bleach garage floor, entry steps Bleach driveway or other approach Control areas of clean laundry, everything is one way, if it falls on the floor or touched some untreated thing, it goes back to the beginning of the treatment process. We had one bedroom for washed clothes, stuff. Treatment bags or toys in bags were in garage Furniture use was managed to minimize cleaning certain areas everyday. Laundry baskets were either wiped or if collapsible, they were placed in dryer then post treatment used for clean clothes. Collapsible laundry baskets from ikea were more durable than 99cent store. Both fit in Dryer. Clean treated Laundry baskets did not touch floor where dirty laundry or other infested area They would carry clean clothes sheets then collect the sheets the next day and go to garage and get treated. Garbage bags also were used for collecting laundry in waiting. My thought was that critters that could weaken and drop off would then attach to feet, socks, other items and cling to life. If they were stuck in a bag waiting for washing the. They were contained. Always think CONTAINMENT, LIKE OUTBREAK! Stay away from used areas +3 days (most info says these things die in 24 hours without a meal, but I have experienced different and some web info cites studies where female mites lived 96 hours! ) Razors and Luffas one use or bleach treat Combs bleach treated. Pillows mattresses covered in plastic cases. (bed bath beyond) Furniture contained in plastic drop clothes. Car seats had to be treated or quarantined to stop bug life cycle. Car seats that could not be left for a week without use has to be covered. Plastic Drop cloths were disposable, or beach towels one use cover and wash in hot. All day work agenda is to tackle the mountain of household items to clean, treat, heat treat, bag and wipe. And swiffer at least 3x a day Replace tac mats, use tac mts to wipe feet, deduce floor debris, tracking, travel of bugs. Wash clothes in very hot Increase water heater temp Wash clothes inside out many times. Wash all socks and underwear in hot with bleach or agents Contain shoes in bags with moth ice Heat treat shoes as possible Shoes and clothes may shrink, casualties of war. Contact potential affected people: hotels, baby sitters, schools, close family. Tell them what to watch for so they can act on treatment. Stay away from hospitals, eldercare centers, scabies is very contagious and tough to manage in those facilities. Protect your loved ones by keeping away from them. Keep samples each day of anything found. Mark in dated bags, location taken from This also helped gauge when things get better. Our experience was many relapse episodes unfortunately. After fighting the initial time it got better but then the backlash of not properly containing clothes, hair, etc. Caused a relapse. I realized after doing everything the doctor said for weeks, that I felt bites on feet and back where my hair had just been combed out. My scalp was not itchy, but whatever was dropping onto my back in microscopic size was a vector. Plus my husbands shirts might be dropping mites who then lived. We found the vectors to be hidden in our hair, scalp, floors. Once we attacked the scalp spot on top of the kids head and the hair bands and the increased frequency of swiffer (so glad we don't have carpet! ) Treated hair Contained dry cleaning shirts Swiffer until the swiffer sheets are clean Tied hair in buns for over 8 months Then final change toward recovery and improvement was when contained hair and floors and clean room criteria. Meds or skin treatments Rx: Permethrin 5% a tube per adult, some left over from kids tube apply for neck to toes, get under nails and in ALL spaces, cracks. They say 8 hours, but in one treatment towards the end of many unsuccessful treatments, we left it on for 24 hours. Permethrin also had Cooling tingly affect, unsure if this was nerve response or the meds acting. We also did lice body shampoos Lice gel treatment - took to using this on whole body, then shower. Walmart had large bottles. Cleaned and reused combs, was nice to have a stable of clean combs to grab. Dermatologistskept trying to soothe skin with Rx for: Triamcinolone. 1% Hydrocortisone 2. 5% just caused caking of cream on skin and caused patient to just feel hot. Dermatologist office also tried to sell Saran for double the Walmart cost. $20 a bottle, I returned it, I would have guessed then that they resell possibly used and returned bottles. They were not surprised I returned the bottles or that I was angry at the rip off. Sarna skin original cream (normal has like. Cooling camphor in it, sensitive has no cooling gent. NOTE: Cooling agents like camphor in creams are not well tolerated by kids , they tend to get cold and cannot tolerate term until bath, even warm bath water is colder when the creamed skin hits the bath. Sarna skin sensitive cream, better for kids. Sulfur soap felt nice on skin, but scaled up the shower door with residue. Multi layer treatment, (recommended by web folks who said permethroin did not work. ) made black things come out of skin. Put in layers over whole body. Get help, for your back. Hand sanitizer Orange oil Tea tree oil Blue magic Coconut oil Left these on for about an hour then showered and sometimes followed with sulfur cream It is killing these bugs but also Both oils and sulfur creams caused the skin to expel black stuff. I agree this must be the bugs dead and leaving. I Liked tea tree oil and it soothed the skin. Orange oil smells nicer, bugs did NOT like orange and tea tree oils. Enjoyed the thought of winning small battles with orange and tea tree oils. Also the sulfur cream. Felt like they were suffering. Some of these smell bad, segregate clothes you will wear with these creams and oils. Eventually the sulfur smell and tea tree smells go away, after many washes, but the relief is worth the smell. Sulfur cream, get help for back. Some blogs said to put on for a hour. In some cases I got desperate and left it on all day. Again calendar helps keep facts straight. At some point my trusted doctor and my replacement good dermatologist agreed that the mites were likely not there and I was dealing with nerve sensations. Long after the initial scrapes of diagnosis, and treatments, I saw bumps and lesions. I had 3 biopsies, each time they cut 3 spots, 9 cuts and none showed infection. I paid a lot for the biopsies and their analysis. Learned eventually that skin healing response can produce these bumps. It is part of the response to the medicine and also the bugs. Also going bck to work, some of my clothes were tight and the skin response to tight clothes was to create its own lesions nd bumps. At this point I resorted to treating the sensations. Some of the web posts stated: kill scabies in five minutes..... So I tried it. Rub down with muscle rub and then go take a bath with foot powder. Materials listed below: Foot powder borax bran iodide ( Walgreens) Walgreens fast acting odorless analgesic crime, trolamine salicylate 10%, inactive ingredient aloe barbadensis leaf extract, Acetyl alcohol, glycerin, mineral oil, potassium phosphate, propyl paraben steric acid, triethanolamine, water, (did not work as well as muscle rub to quit the bug skin sensation) Muscle rub ultra strength Walgreen s brand (active ingredients: camphor 4%, menthol , methyl salicylate 30%', inactive ingresdientss: carbomer, dis odium EDTA, glyceryl lstearate SE, lanolin, ploys ornate, 80 potassium hydroxide, steric acid, troloamine, water Notes on kids Sarna skin cream (normal has like. Cooling camphor in it, sensitive has no cooling agent. ) Cooling agents like camphor in creams are not well tolerated by kids , they tend to get cold and cannot tolerate them until bath, even warm bath water is colder when the creamed skin hits the bath. Kid management: explain bug infestation Ask if they can help, kids love to help swiffer. Set standard that the "doctor says" must do medicines, creams, baths, cleaning, toy a quarantine time, etc Buy them a swim cap for hair treatments, character caps help too. They can use wipes to help clean while you use Clorox wipes They can help clean bathtub No stuffed toys for a while, they are " in the laundry" Use google images to demonstrate the sickness. Notes: on additional controls and responses. Known to infest just skin, not scalp, however, I found an infestation on my daughters scalp (3 yo) only infants supposedly get scalp infestation....... Hmmmm..... We had scalp stuff. Also noticed that it felt like critters on my back falling from hair. Like biting on my back immediately 10 mins post shower and lice treatment on hair. Felt like these had gotten into our hair by retreating to un-permethrin treated areas also hair bands/ scuunccii on floor had collected and harbor end critters. Mom Treated scalps of mom and daughter with permethrin, told doctors, although we were told it was not needed. Shortened daughters hair to minimize combing about shoulder length. Pediatrician Rx sklice for scalp treatment, new technique and was $80 with prescription coverage. Also felt like critters on floor from clothes, skin, wherever, and they keep cycling onto person Noticed that doing laundry, I felt bites on my feet start when I got near laundry pile. Contained husbands dry cleaning inside large plastic bags so no critters could drop and move. Quarantined this clothing in garage with more tarp underneath. Purse and gym bags with cleats, heart rate straps, watches, etc all infected. All isolated, treated, etc. Sensations Felt itchy, crawly, ears, top of head, nose, toes, armpits, waistband. Bra bands, etc. Permethrin felt cooling when applied. I felt it more than husband. The relief sensation was comforting and addicting. This may be caused by nerve agent nature of the drug. As nerves healed over time, tingling and bug sensation would occur. When done, wear loose clothes for 6-8 months or tight clothes will cause skin response similar to scabies, lesions that is simply an immune response. Took months for sensations to stop. The muscle cream and foot soap bath really worked like a switch to stop the tingling buggy feeling. It was terribly uncomfortable to be so cold and wet, brutal treatment, but worked. Root cause investigation thoughts: Unsure if we only had scabies or a multi infestation with other mites. Massage June 6, 2012, then went to work out. Masseuse was rookie, concerned about transfer to heart rate monitor. Possible June infection from hawaii trip Possible gym infection, possible daycare route, Daughter and mother worst infected Daughter and mother waking up all night when sensation and biting occurred. Also think there were body lice in play here Daycare friends had traveled possibly infected us, but not honest enough to alert others to the risk, No one in our house got any infection here by visiting. Baby sitters were fine. Daycare provider had heavy pubic scratching and also hospital astray hospital cancer. Also worried about work chair, put raincoat over chair and switched chairs. Bart train seats, infidelity, all possiblities that were considered. I think there was scabies, plus some other mite from the driveway fir trees. Used to get bites when sitting in pickup truck bed that has fir tree cones and debris from trees. Twice found visible bugs, not ants coming from driveway toward garage and laundry, liked sweaty clothes. Scabies are not visible, so these were other mites. Once floor controls and hair scalp was addressed, all bites stopped. Sensations continued, but camphor creams helped stop brain response. Mental Dermatologists smug over initial first treatment by primary care doc because it was a 2 week treatment, Corrected with 1 week treatment, but they also refused to accept there was another reinfection. Bites on back and feet, they said, it's not scabies, cannot help you. Second opinion dermatologist said scabies. Also other bugs were on driveway and floor, and scalp, initial dermatologist and other doctors seemed hopeless that they could not help.. This is when I realized it was all out war to quarantine everything's movement more tightly than the TSA at the airports. Doctors Refused to consider scalp, until pediatrician saw what I saw. So we switched to sklice Rx. Pediatrician was helpful and had really seen scabies so follow up bumps were discounted and patient at ease. then dermatologists were bullish when not considering the comfort level of patient, excreted bugs appearing were dismissed as dirt/debris. Bully doctors would discard the patient, prescribe more creams, just to make more money, don't care about patient. They left patient to mentally suffer. Sometimes felt like there was no future life away from scabies condition. Hopeless, very suicidal and very risky. As if they did not understand this was skin expressing the bugs out. Black things appear on these patients as commonly anecdotes on the Web, people don't all have the same story by chance. This phase exists. And the doctor treats them as crazy people. As if these black things are in their minds only. As if derms don't get that there is stuff and cannot explain what it is to a patient. They need tone able to understand and help the patient brought. Now I clearly know more than any dermatologist about scabies. That first derm office should be disciplined by the med review board. Skin issues also followed with fungus or other immune response lesions that were scary to experience as a potential comeback of the bugs. Web logs were helpful. Felt not alone. Good tips Some people wrote what their experience was as opposed to actual science, but it was helpful. ( e.g., one post said they saw moving black bugs under microscope. I found this questionable. The debris was likely bugs but they were only coming out because skin was expressing the debris. I never saw live specimens. )

Well, by accident while treating some other things I started to take Cayenne Pepper! Started slowly with like 30,000 Heat units , like 1/8 teaspoon in some V-8. Worked my way up to a full teaspoon after awhile. I started to notice that more and more black specks was coming out of my arms when I would rub them with the scalp therapy. After about a month of this my arms begin to clear alot. Best out of all the remedies that I had tried. I still have an occasional one rise up (usually has a white head on it ) and a few and I mean just a few black specks come out now. I use to have bunches of the white heads and black specks. This helped me the most.

If these thing are blood born or somehow get into the bloodstream as TED thinks they might be. Then you will have to kill them internally as well as externally.

Rebel