Chanca Piedra Herbal Benefits

I do not know about Chanca piedra, but take Myrrh in powder (make a tea) or in capsules. It scrapes cholesterol out of the body.

D-Limonene will scrape build-ups out of the body. Sweet orange oil is something like 95% D-Limonene. Research it :).

I would prefer Myrrh capsules. I see where people take 2-3 caps 3 times per day. That is too many for me to take. Is it possible to take less? Also is it hard on the stomach?

You should make sure you are getting Vitamin K2 MK-4 also which is the Wesson Price active X ingredient. In Japan and Netherland they use a high dose K2 MK-4 (15g 3Xday) for curing osteoporosis. They add MCT oil to capsule so it can absorb the fat soluble K2. I take high dose K2 MK-4 along with some MK-7. You want to take fat soluble Vitamin A and D3. I take these with a tiny bit of coconut oil so the K2 will absorb.

Also be aware that the best calcium is MCHA calcium. It is the exact form the body uses. Calcium Citrate is second best.

Also be aware that a bioavailable Silica like JarrowSil or BioSil is what makes bones resilient and fracture proof. This is critical because increasing bone mass alone doesn't give you quality bones. This also provides critical ingredient to collagen and collagen production. It will help you look younger too.

Borax which is highly absorb-able form of boron is also important because it addresses the parathyroid gland issues which stores the most boron. If your parathyroid gland is broken, it will cause calcium metabolic dysfunction like stenosis / bone spurs. It also cures 70% of RA.

Look at Ultra Bone Up supplement ingredient label to see other cofactor support.

I am trying to rid my body of calcium deposits.

Hi, it's been some time, can u tell me what u discovered using CP or? thanks David

Bill, would you have the name of these plants in french? I even searched with the botanical names you gave, but couldn't find them. Are they plants only growing in Phillipines? Do we have the equivalance in France or better, in West Africa? as many people around me suffer from chronic constipation.

Thanks again, and God bless your work.

Hi Isabelle, Chanca Piedra (Phylanthus niruri) and Heart Vine (Tinospora cordifolia) are easily found using Google Search or Google Images. Here are some pictures and herbal descriptions for each plant which should help you.

Chanca Piedra
This plant is unique because it bears all its small seeds underneath and along the very center of its leaf stem. This plant stands about 30 - 50 cms high

http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2043/2266898721_83569e4a25.jpg?v=0

Heart Vine
This vine herb has a unique pimply stem. Here is a description with some photos of the plant.

http://www.alternative-healthguide.com/ayurveda/tinospora_cordifolia.htm

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1067/5144286229_ffb599c7a0_z.jpg

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1377/5144287159_546c408929_z.jpg

I'm afraid I was unable to locate any French equivalent names -- but even using French sites on the web you should be to find them using their Latin equivalent names. Both these plants are lowland tropical plants which should exist in similar areas of West Africa.

Also, both using virgin coconut oil and Neem leaf tea (Azadirachta indica) would also be highly protective for the intestines against infection, constipation, parasites etc. These plants are also widely found in the tropics.

Best regards,

Bill :)

Bill, thank you for the information on your home grown herbs. Do you have a source for the seeds of the tropical herbs you grow? Thank you.

Hi John...Unfortunately, almost every herb that I grow is grown from local cuttings or twigs and there is no need to buy the seeds. The Chanca Piedra grows as a profuse weed in my garden which I am very thankful for. My partner does buy seeds from the local market in San Fernando to grow okra, sunflowers etc so she really has no need of an internet source. We also buy one or two herbs -- such as Aloe barbadensis and Holy Basil from the local garden centers. I try and avoid internet purchases if I can because the costs can be pretty high for shipment to the Philippines.

Hi Bill,

I was wondering if you would consider selling me some seeds from your Chanca Piedra plants. I'm in Australia and have searched tirelessly for weeks to find them online with no luck. I really want to grow this plant myself to make my own tinctures. Any help would be much appreciated.

Debra

Hi Debra...I'm afraid exporting/importing whole live plants/seeds from one country to another is extremely complicated, laden with rules, expensive and just not viable I'm afraid. It's also unlikely that Chanca piedra will ever be sold as a garden plant -- because it is a very plain plant that is essentially a weed with small flowers.

My opinion is that Chanca piedra might also grow in the jungle regions of northern Australia because chanca piedra also definitely grows in the western Pacific Rim islands and countries opposite northern Australia -- all jungle areas. So perhaps you could take a holiday sometime in these hotter Aussie jungle regions and find the plant and pick the seeds and grow them for free.

Chanca piedra grows about a meter in height. It's one single distinguishing and unique feature is that its small seeds can be found directly underneath and along the main stem petiole of the leaves of the plant. Here is an image of it to show you what I mean:

Chanca Piedra

If you use Google images search, then you can find plenty of images of Chanca piedra. And if you can adequately recognize the plant from this one unique feature that I've described, then you may well be able to recognize and find it in the jungle regions of northern Australia.

Thanks Bill,

I know a guy who was making a tea from it which he was getting from an old guy in the next suburb but the guy died. I'm even thinking of seeing if I can get the address and got and ask the new owners if I could buy the plant of them but not sure if I can even get the address. You might be right though, they may not let it in via customs. Thank you anyway. Debra

Hello Bill Can you please help me to tell how much tinospora cordifolia and chanca piedra should I take and for how long to pass one single 1.5 cm / 22 mm gall stone? My doctor ask me to remove gall bladder and I am very scared of surgery please help.

Thanks.

Hi Lea...Just use Chanca piedra (CP) on its own for gallstones -- that should easily be enough to dissolve and get rid of them. After all, CP's other nick-name is "Stone Breaker" with a long and highly successful history and reputation for dissolving both kidney stones and gallstones.

Take the Chanca piedra as a tea four times a day if you can (CP is not poisonous). If this is not possible then take 500 mgs capsules three times a day.

Avoid buying any herbs that have added chemicals or are denoted as "chemically standardized". Adding chemicals to the herb ruins the synergicity of all the herb's active natural chemical components and so this form does not work so well. Instead, you should always buy herbs that are either organic or wild-crafted in order to preserve the natural synergicity of the chemicals in the herb. This form always works the best.

It's difficult to say how long it will take to dissolve your stone. In fact, it's probably more correct to say that you probably have many gallstones and not just one stone. I estimate that you will see results within the week and you should feel much better after 3 or 4 weeks on this protocol. I would also cut down on dairy foods for a while -- avoid foods like milk, cheese, yoghurt. Calcium is a formative constituent of gallstones, so you should also avoid calcium rich foods.

Also, taking magnesium citrate -- 250 mgs twice a day with meals -- will also help to both alkalize the cells and it will also help to more properly balance the Calcium in the body.

Also be aware that supplementing CP lowers blood presssure, lowers blood sugar and helps to remove excess calcium from the blood. So if you are currently taking any drugs that do the same thing -- then taking CP might be contraindicated.

For the decocción for constipation

What amount of leaf of vine heart? and what amount from chanca piedra?in how many cups of water? How many cups to take a day?

I have been taking Chanca Piedra tea for a few weeks, 3x/day bags, not loose, and have not seen any gallstones (which I apparently have) being flushed out. For how long does one need to drink the tea to see any results? Also, I have just bought the CP tincture, any success stories with that to dissolve/ flush out gallstones?

Thanks

You might want to look into vitamin K2. There's a book called Vitamin K2 and the Calcium Paradox. The way I remember it, K2 moves calcium to the places it needs to go and away from the places it shouldn't be.

Chanca Piedra is a stone breaker. It can help. In addition you need to take foods rich in vitamin K. Vitamin K makes sure that your body's calcium is evenly distributed. It prevents deposit of calcium in one particular area.

First you can opt for food rich in Vitamin K. Natto, (japanese fermented soy) is the ideal food to supply Vitamin K. It is rich in vitamin K than any other food. But the taste of Natto is quite different. you have to acquire it. You can have a cup of natto with bread or rice daily.

Also do at least 20 mins of full body exercise daily.

Good health

Hi Jo... I also had calcium deposits in the tendons in my shoulder joint that caused me great pain problems -- especially in the morning. In the early 1990s I also went to see a tissue specialist in UK about this problem because it had become such a painful problem. I spent two hours waiting to see the tissue specialist only for him to tell me that he could do nothing to help me. He also told me that his own wife had the same problem as me --for over 15 years!! This from aso-called specialist!! This did not engender much confidence on my part. He did offer to operate on my tendon and individually remove calcium particles but I thought this was a ridiculous solution that would never gaurantee an actual cure to the problem -- so I said no to the op. In the end I cured myself by deliberately and physically damaging my calcified shoulder(I did aikido at the time) -- figuring that if I deliberatey damaged this shoulder area then this would attract the immune system to the area and the calcium particles would be removed. It worked but I wouldn't recommend it!!

Your problem is essentially caused by a high calcium low magnesium diet as well as by lack of other nutrients in the diet.

A better way to deal with the calcified tendon problem would be to supplement the following:

Chanca Piedra - This is a wonderful herb which has a diuretic action that specifically helps to remove excess calcium from tissue and bone sites as well as from the blood. CP is also hypoglycemic (lowers excess blood sugar), and hypolipidemic (lowers excess blood fats). It has many beneficial characteristics:

http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm#.UR1Tz6Uy2aU

Dose: Capsules -- 1000 mgs at every meal or drink the tea form 3 times a day. Avoid the the alcoholic extract form - not as good as the aqueous form.

Magnesium -- In the form of magnesium chloride (best form to take), magnesium citrate or mag gluconate. Essentially magnesium helps to regulate calcium in the body. Dose: 250 mgs twice a day.

Vitamin K2, Vitamin A and Vitamin D. This combination also helps to regulate calcium in bone and teeth. Weston Price determined through his own research that in all healthy primitive cultures which had perfect bone and teeth -- this particular combination of healthy vitamins was perhaps the main characteristic reason. These primitive cultures used fats like palm oil(high in vitamin A), coconut oil, butter oil(as clarified butter or ghee) and real grass fed butter -- which all contained healthy amounts of vitamin K2. The Japanese eat natto(acquired taste!! ) which also contains large amounts of Vitamin K2. The human gut flora also produces small amounts of vitamin k2. Weston Price, in his research, also noticed that these healthy primitive cultures had perfect teeth and bone structure right up to and beyong the age of 70 y o. No cavities in the teeth and no bone thinning or bone wasting at old age.

The dosages for these vitamins should be in the proper orthomolecular dosages(not RDA -- way too low) :

Vitamin K2: 1000 mcg per day. You can also get adequate amounts of K2 buy just eating grass fed butter everyday and not margarine.

Vitamin D3: 5,000 iu per day. If you live in a sunny tropical climate -- you wont need to take Vitamin D because your skin plus sun is abe to manufacture up to 20, 000 iu of vitamin D in your skin per day.

Vitamin A: 2,000 iu per day

Perhaps an easier way to take the Vitamin D and Vitamin A together is just to supplement good quality fish oil -- which contains both vitamins in the correct proprotions.

Question for Bill: I'm interested in chanca piedra for kidney stones (passed one 2 weeks ago, there are 3 small ones, 1-2mm, in rt. Kidney). But you mention it can remove (excess) calcium from bones, and I have severe osteoporosis... Also, though I am not on blood pressure meds, mine is normally low, about 110/60, with occasional atrial ectopic heartbeats and tachycardia. So I'd be concerned if the herb lowers it further. Do you have any experience with these issues? So very grateful for your thoughts, and all your enormously informative posts!

Hi Sue... I don't think that your low blood pressure is related or caused by just calcium problems. Osteoporosis is partly caused by a combination of high calcium in the diet and low magnesium intake. Magnesium is what helps to regulate calcium in the blood and cells. This lack of magnesium causes high amounts of calcium to be present in the blood while, because of poor blood calcium and bone regulation, there is constant bone loss and deterioration of the body's bone structure. This loss of bone also occurs for reasons of lack of nutrients needed to help properly regulate bone formation in the body.

Bone formation and bone removal are two separate ongoing processes in the body. The calcitonin hormone from the thyroid is involved in bone formation and the parathyroid governs bone removal. If your body lacks iodine then bone formation will be affected and boron or borax is very important to the parathyroid for normal bone removal. Other nutritional factors -- such as Vitamin D, Vitamin A and Vitamin K2 are also essential for bone formation.

It is quite apparent to me that because you have kidney stone problems, this must mean that you have excess calcium in your blood -- so your excess blood calcium needs to be reduced so you can avoid kidney stone problems in the future. The other half of this problem is caused by eating to much vegetable oils in your diet.

The following protocol will help your osteoporosis problems:

Magnesium Chloride (or Magnesium Oil) -- Ten drops twice a day. You can also use mag citrate -- 250 mgs twice a day.

Borax Water -- 1/8 tspn borax in a litre of water. Drink this mixture throughout the day. Take this remedy for 5 consecutive days then take 2 days off.

Kelp tablets - regular dosages to help thyroid support (calcitonin support).

Vitamin K -- 1000 mcgs once a day.

A Good quality fish oil (Vit A & D).

I also think that it would be safe enough for you to take the Chanca Piedra -- 1000 mgs three times a day with meals -- or drink the tea form three times a day. This will help to gently dissolve and remove the stones in your kidney.

To help with your low blood pressure -- magnesium chloride and sea salt supplementation will help you here. Chlorides (not sodium) are well known to help safely raise blood pressure to normal levels. Dosage for sea salt is 1/2 tspn with water outside mealtimes once a day.

Supplementing both magnesium and iodine from the kelp will also help to resolve your tachycardia heart problems. I also had racing heart problems when I had candida and the iodine plus magnesium resolved this problem quite quickly.

Alot of your problems seem to be linked to lack of magnesium and lack of iodine in your diet.

Thank you so much, Bill. While I rarely consume vegetable oil (I use coconut oil) and am already taking many of the supplements you mention (kelp tablets, Iodoral, magnesium, fish oil, vitamin D, K2 and minerals including boron and silica have been part of my regimen for years), obviously it's not working. What you say about calcium/magnesium proportions makes a lot of sense, as well as the chemical forms. I will try the things you suggest, and I really appreciate your time and thoughts! -- Sue

What is the best method and dosage of Chanca Piedra to take for gallstones? Capsule or tea? Capsules are easier for me.

I am wondering if anyone can offer some insight. I have multiple kidney stones ranging from 4-9mm in size, and am pregnant. The only solution I have been offered is pain management with some drugs that I am absolutely terrified to take. I know that chanca piedra can break up stones even this size, but am sceptical to begin taking any as it has no studies about safe quantities during pregnancy. Can anyone offer any information as to whether taking a moderate or low dose is an option?

Hi Nina...If you have low calcium issues then you should not be taking chanca piedra because it is a calcium channel blocker.

I would also further advise that calcium carbonate supplements are probably totally useless for absorption of calcium into the body. Two reasons for this. First, the body absorbs all minerals, including calcium, in their ionic(dissolved) forms. Secondly, calcium carbonate dissolves very poorly in water -- it has an absorption of only 0.001 gms per 100 ml, which is very poor indeed. The better forms of calcium to supplement -- the more soluble forms -- are calcium citrate and the chelated forms of calcium which provide much higher absorption of calcium into the body. I would also start including natural calcium sources like dairy into your diet.

Since you also have hypothyroidism -- this can also cause low calcium issues. Calcitonin, a hormone secreted from the thyroid, controls the osteoblasts for bone formation. This hormone removes calcium from the blood and puts it into bone. So I would advise the Iodine Protocol to help properly control bone formation and to improve your hypothyroid problems as well. The thyroid is completely dependent on proper amounts of iodine in the dietfro hormone production. All processed food diets lack iodine.

I would also start taking Boron supplements or Borax. Boron is necessary for the parathyroid to help regulate the removal of bone calcium into the blood. You have low blood calcium, so this makes sense. The bone forming and bone removal process is perpetually ongoing in your body to renew old bone. If mis-regulation occurs in this process then its possible to have serious calcium issues. That's why its also important to take Magnesium(as mag citrate or mag chloride -- 250 mgs twice a day) to help properly regulate the amount of calcium in the blood and in the cells.

As far as I understand Chanca Pierda is not safe while pregnant. http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm#.VjfzBberTIU

Excelente y deja todos los carbohidratos.

I have a calcium level at 11.1, blood pressure that's always above 160/75, primary hyper parathyroid, nothing seems to lower my blood pressure but l-arginine and it only lowers it for a couple of hours. Is chanca piedra safe for me to take? I also have high chelosterol levels total in the 400's. What do you recommend for me. Thank you Martha

Martha...

This is not a sales pitch! I had high calcium and pth (parathyroid hormone)...my docs said we'd "keep an eye on it"...for 15 years. I did some research and found a parathyroid clinic. I asked my endocrinologist if the Norman Parathyroid Clinic was legit, and she told me if my insurance covered any portion, that I should go to Tampa to have the surgery to remove the diseased parathyroid gland/tumor...that the docs at the Norman Parathyroid Clinic (it's located in Tampa General Hospital) were the best...that's all they do, all day, every day...that's why the surgery there is 20 minutes. My scar is less than 1 inch long and is almost invisible. It sounds crazy that I flew from MI to FL for a 20 minute outpatient surgery, but I'm so glad I did. I'm also not one to comment online, but saw your comment and had to reach out. Good luck!!

Hi Baldev...I can confirm that your plant photo is definitely not Chanca piedra. The plant in your photo looks like it might be a member of the nightshade family.

Here is a link to some photos of Chanca piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) on the stuartxchange website:

http://www.stuartxchange.org/SampaSampalukan

In the Philippines, the herb is called sampa-sampalukan. Also note that the seeds form along the underside of the center leaf petioles and are most abundant at the top of the plant. This is unique to chanca piedra -- no other plant form their seeds under the petiole like this. This is how you can identify this plant so easily. CP only grows to a maximum height of about 50 to 60 cms.

Here is some more research on this herb from The Rain-Tree Tropical Plant Database which might also interest you:

http://www.rain-tree.com/chanca.htm#.W3l8TGK3rDc

Greetings Lonette of Florida,

I am sure a few of us has had this experience and me too. I would just stop and give the herb or supplement a vacation, sometimes a long vacation depending on what reaction I had. Then, I would start back at a lower dosage.

Also, I would make myself a baking soda and lemon water drink: 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda to about two teaspoons of lemon juice in about a half cup of water. Then I would chase that down with a glass of water. Throughout the day I would drink several glasses of water. But actually, after the baking soda and lemon juice water, my kidneys would feel very happy.

HisJewel

Hello 👋 :) thank you for your response, I will try the baking soda and Lemon, also will continue to drink a lot of water. I'm also in the middle of a juice fast.

Jill, It could possibly be contributing to a cleansing, thus coming out through your skin. I see this often when folks are detoxing from Yeast in the body - you may want to back off the amount you are taking...also drink plenty of water, make sure moving your bowels and consider a probiotic as well.

Hi Jill, I had the same reaction. All over itchy, especially my ankles, and lower legs. I scratched my lower legs so bad with my nails that I had scabs and had to use iodine to help them heal. I was taking 1000mgs Chanca Piedra. I had read its wonderful benefits and wanted to try it. I only took it for a week or two. I must have been taking way to much. it took about 3 weeks for my skin to completely calm down. All is well now, however i will wait until I learn more about this one again before I try it again. HisJewel

Hi again Jill D. I decided to go ahead and look up sided effects of Chanca Piedra. I found out there are two types of Chanca Piedra: Phyllanthus niruri and Phyllanthus amarus.

The first mention Phyilanthus niruri is said to be safe non toxic with few side effects. The second mentioned Phyilanthus and in High doses could be toxic and may be harmful to kidneys.. I tried it out Chanca Piedra about February 2019, the company I ordered from does not say what type of Chanca Piedra it is, it just says organic and says to take 1000mg once a day. Which proved too strong for me.

Hisjewel.

I don't know about mentioning brand names on here, but Swanson has the niruri variety. I took a lot of it with no allergy or other symptoms for quite awhile.This has been over 4 yrs. ago. I didn't pass any stones, but noticed cloudy urine the 1st few times I took it. I assumed it was clearing my kidneys & that's what that was. I eventually used up all but one bottle of that great sale order & MOL forgot about it.

BTW, I got Hep B in 1980 & nearly died, then was hospitalized & dosed (not long after an old naturopath saved my life from that & about 4 other concurrent illnesses) by a traditional doctor for bronchitis with an IV antibiotic I TOLD him specifically not to use because it's contraindicated for liver patients. That pretty much finished off my liver. I recently began experiencing bloating of then pain & shrinkage of what has to be my liver. I also have MG & now have CHF & HBP which is killing my kidneys. I am about to scrape up the funds to buy another batch of the niruri & save myself this time.

I used potassium citrate for one of my little dogs with kidney stones & damage from the Sam's melanine contaminated/fortified dog cookies that killed so many pets in the mid 2000s, but I read it can cause potassium problems if not used carefully. Hope this helps someone.

Hi Linda...Here is some research on Chanca Piedra which is taken from Leslie Taylor's Herbal database. She's the lady who created Raintree Herbals. All of the many research papers on chanca piedra's proven healing properties are declared at the end of the article below.

Chanca piedra

Linda.. I am not sure why that happened to you but for me I have been drinking three cups of chanca piedra tea every few days and I am expelling painful gallstones and a bunch of things..I am feeling this is amazing and I am going to keep doing it until my pain is gone.....

The only thing I can think of is maybe you are getting rid of toxins and you had this reaction. I don't know but for me its working well... and I do have high blood pressure but I wasn't using it for that.. maybe an extra bonus..

The capsules of Chanca piedra are how many MG milligrams? Currently I am taking 500mg daily, I still have pain, I will have to increase. Let me know how many MG and how often. Thank you

I really need help with hep b.... Any one out there.... Should I stop doctor medication and start BHT and chandra piedra... Any advise plz

You will NEVER get me to advise going against a doctor's advice. If you choose to try BHT and or chianca piedra, I suggest doing so along with any prescribed medications...Oscar

Leon: Good news is there are a variety of treatments effective at killing Hep-c AND restoring liver function. The path you take to wellness is your choices, so here's a link?https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hep_c.html to the hep-c page for your perusal.

Back to the decision making process. You have 3 options: 1. Fallow your MD's prescription & advice, and monitor your outcome. Did you get better?? If no, 2. Try integrating the conventional medicine prescription w/ alternative remedies here https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/hepatitis-b.html. or 3. Stop conventional med treatment (assuming it's not working) and adopt an alternative med protocol while monitoring results.

Hi Frank, Good news. How you boiled and eat it? Boiled mean cooking or something else? Requested to share recipe.

I am in saudi arabia & dont no where can I buy lab grade chanca piedra capsules or powder or seeds

Sheila, try sunfood.com for Chanca Piedra.

am Josephine from South Sudan am chronic Hbv and I got the web site I got the chanco the wild not planted am continue taking I just boil water and get the greens dip into the hot water and drinking it like tea am not yet gone for check up for how long will I drink and how is it suppose to be take and is the wild one Good

Josephine, I have not used chanca piedra for hbv but would recommend covering and steeping your tea for minimum 20 minutes before you drink. Steeping longer brings out the bitter properties which can only be beneficial for the liver. Best to you.

Hey Frank, what's the local name for this plant, please?

How do I prepare herb for tea?>