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So, in more recent years, my heart sank when I felt the familiar side/back pain. After a little research I hurriedly ordered capsules of the Chanca Piedra, which has turned out to be life changing for the better! Usually, it just takes two capsules once or twice a day and by the following day at the latest I'm pretty much pain-free.
Well, this past week, i'd been under a lot of stress (loss of a beloved dog, relative coming to visit, etc.) and also was drinking a much higher amount of ACV with honey, stevia and water because it's hot here. I suddenly became nauseated, dizzy, fatigued and in a great deal of pain which kept me from sleeping. I began drinking Vitamin C powder with a little baking soda a few times a day, plus colloidal silver in case of infection.
Due to feeling so poorly physically, it took a day or more for me to suddenly recognize what the pain in my side was! It would also shift to lower back at night. I instantly began taking two capsules of the CP twice a day, which helped, but the pain at times remained almost unbearable. This had never happened before, as it ALWAYS worked at that dose quickly for me.
I came onto this website and saw a comment in which someone related taking the CP capsules every four hours until relief. So I moved up to that amount and began getting wonderful RELIEF. Today for the first time since this started, I felt almost normal the entire day. I'm tapering off of the CP, vitamin C and colloidal silver knowing I'm better.
It's impossible to express how grateful I am for people willing to share their experiences and for this special plant. I believe for whatever the reason/s, one or more extra-large kidney stones became stuck, or perhaps a bunch of them, but the Chanca Piedra came through for me.
I want to add that my neighbor suffered for six months with kidney stones a few years ago, before I knew. He was constantly in pain and going in for checks and procedures. After the last appointment (which I think involved some kind of surgery) he came home and gradually resumed activities. Suddenly, he told me he had another bout of kidney stones beginning! This time I knew and gave him some CP capsules and told him how to take them. Within a day, the neighbor said the problem was resolved!! I think this happened at least one other time and he ended up getting his own bottle.
And today, I just heard of the restaurant manager (where a friend works) breaking down in tears and having to get to the hospital because of a kidney stone/s. I'm going to try to get word to her as well! Because this is such a gentle powerful amazing remedy for humans who have gone through a kidney stone ordeal.
Liver Issues
Liver Issues
Liver Issues
Start at their recommended dose. The dose I use is for kidney stones and that may be too much for your purpose. I am not recommending the dose I use for your purpose, just saying it is what has worked for me for kidney stones. I have not used CP for your health issue, so I don't know the effective dose to use.
Art
Liver Issues
Kidney Stones
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Liver Issues
Liver Issues
I'm glad to hear that silymarin was beneficial for you and now higher dose chanca piedra (CP) seems like a reasonable consideration. Now you know that 1 gram per day will be insufficient for the task at hand. If its action is similar in time to its effects for kidney stones, you could potentially see improvement in the first month.
Other possible considerations are making sure your vitamin d level is well into the upper portion of the reference range which is 30 to 100 ng/ml or 75 to 250 nmol/l.
To put more pressure on reducing ALP and GGT you might consider fish oil / omega 3's at a minimum of 2 grams/day as used in the study and discussed here:
Here is a relevant quote from the study :
' In this study ALP (Alkaline- Phosphatase) and GGT(gamma[1]glutamyltransferase) were reduced in diabetic patients after supplementation with omega-3 fatty acid in comparison to that of their baseline value. Again, after 12 weeks, ALP(Alkaline Phosphatase) and GGT(gamma glutamyltransferase) were decreased in diabetic patients after supplementation with omega-3 fatty acid in comparison to control group. '
Good luck and keep us posted!
Art
Liver Issues
Liver Issues
The following 2021 human study suggests that CP may not lower elevated liver enzymes or improve other liver function parameters at 1 gram per day :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8764976/
Here is a relevant quote from the study :
' Serum levels of liver and renal function parameters failed to demonstrate significant improvement with P. niruri. However, there was a statistically significant increase in the level of total antioxidants with P. niruri (P = 0.034) with an additional appetite stimulant activity (P = 0.03) in 4 weeks. '
However this 2021 study in humans with trauma and elevated liver enzymes showed that Silymarin at a fairly low dose of 140 mg three times per day for a total of 420 mg of silymarin per day was effective at significantly lowering some elevated liver enzymes in just 14 days while also improving antioxidant status :
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8284169/
Here is a relevant study quote :
' At baseline, there were no significant differences between the silymarin and placebo group in terms of ALT, AST and ALP. AST and ALP levels were not significantly different between the two groups on day 3 (p = 0.43 and p = 0.75, respectively) but they were significantly lower on days 7, 9 and 14 in silymarin treated patients (p = 0.04, p < 0.001 and p < 0.001 for AST and p = 0.041, p = 0.027 and p < 0.001 for ALP, respectively). ALT level was also significantly lower in the silymarin group on days 9 and 14, compared to the placebo group (p < 0.001 for both days), while no significant difference was found on days 3 and 7. '
To be fair regarding CP, it is worth noting that they only used 1 gram per day whereas I use 3 grams or 3, 000 mg/day for kidney stones. Still, they got significant enzyme reduction as well as improved antioxidant status with just 140 mg of Silymarin three times per day for a total of just 420 mg of silymarin per day, in just 14 days!
Here is just one supplement that supplies 140 mg of silymarin per capsule on Amazon :
I am not recommending this just pointing out that there are some suppliers who offer milk thistle capsules containing 140 mg of silymarin as used in the study. There are other supplements that offer beneficial liver effects, but silymarin seems like it is worth having on your consideration list.
Art
Liver Issues
If the chanca piedra does not work out for you, I can offer another suggestion with at least one study to support its effective use for gout.
Art
Gout
Kidney Stones
★★★★★
Her elderly mother was in the hospital. Her mother has many health problems including dementia and heart problems. (I am not even sure why she was in the hospital.)
While in the hospital, her mother was having severe pain but couldn't tell them why (due to the dementia) and our friend and the staff were mystified.
Then our friend remembered that her mother had a history of kidney stones. She asked the doctor if they could check. Sure enough she had kidney stones, according to a scan. They wanted to do surgery, but it would be a few days out and of course, surgery had its own risks with her age and health problems.
Our friend asked if they could try Stone Breaker herb, that her mother had used it before. The hospital was not willing. They said they didn't know how it might interact with her medications, and she had a feeding tube so that complicated giving it to her.
Well, surgery was taking a while to schedule and our friend was very kind and but persistent. She finally found a doctor to agree to try it, even though, he said, it wouldn't help.
They gave her stone breaker 4 times a day. After a couple of days, it was clear that the pain was gone. Surgery seemed to have been forgotten and they were going to send her home.
Our friend asked if they could check about the kidney stones. The doctor was reluctant but did another scan, and what do you know, the stones were gone!
There are several morals to the story - one is that hospital patients benefit greatly by having an advocate, family who knows them, especially. Second is that kindness goes a long way, you catch more flies with honey than vinegar, as the old saying says. And third, stone breaker works!
~Mama to Many~
Pseudogout (CPPD)
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Hepatitis B
Chanca Piedra Tea (Sometimes known as "Stone-Breaker" Tea)
Preparation: Add 4 level teaspoons of Chanca Piedra to 5 cups of boiling water. Reduce the heat and allow it to simmer for between 15 to 20 minutes. When cool, you strain the tea and discard the leaves. This will make 4 cups of tea. Serve hot or cold. Store in a refrigerator in a glass container (with a lid on) for up to a week. This may save you some prep. time.
Chanca Piedra Tea is claimed to support the health of the kidneys, liver, gall bladder, bladder and pancreas. It is also said to promote healthy fat digestion.
For Urgent and Immediate use take one cup of tea 3 - 4 times per day for liver-gall bladder support and 6 - 8 times per day for kidney-bladder support on an EMPTY stomach (important) for up to one month or as directed by your health care professional.
For a Maintenance Dosage you take one cup of tea once or twice daily on an empty stomach for 5 or 6 days per week.
Wishing you well on your recovery journey
Cheers from Down Under
Hepatitis B
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Arteriosclerosis
If I may add... The large Rotterdamn Study of nearly 5K men/women showed that for Arterial Cardiovascular Calcification, interestingly, MK7 (to MK9) forms of K2 proved most effective, while MK-4 did not impact outcomes.
Kidney Stones
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I now use Whole World Botanical. Their capsules work up to thirty minutes. Usually twenty. They are pharmaceutical grade, been tested and without any fillers. They are wonderful to work with. They also carry the liquid. I use that in emergencies. Takes ten minutes or less.
find the number of oxalates in the foods you like. You'll save yourself in pain knowing them. I still eat things with oxalates in them but not as many and I took a capsule or capsules to counteract. I first discovered them drinking Bai drink with stevia. Had the backache then pain and discovered stevia has 92% oxalates.
Gout
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Kidney Stones, High Blood Pressure
Kidney Stones, High Blood Pressure
As far as grouches go, I could say I have topped the list over the years with a constant stomach ache, pain in the spine, pelvic pain and dental pain and emotional trauma and split personality with migraines. So please spell out the above so we can help you to the best of our knowledge. I have overcome the above. Sometimes the problem is the thing keeping us from the real hurt, as a lovely distraction.The more the pain, the better the distraction. If your back hurts get some pliers and squeeze your finger and your back will be hardly noticeable. : ) . Not trying to step on your toes but everyone is trying to post insights, not cures. We are all putting out fires. It still far exceeds the doctor who is treating symptoms so you will keep coming back to pay his light bill. By the way. Love your post, charity
P.s. I figured out how placebos work.....as you believe you receive
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I have read so much on the testimonies of Chanca Piedra in curing Hepatitis. Please where can I get the plant in Nigeria?
Kidney Stones, High Blood Pressure
I must be becoming an irritable, old grouch but would people PLEASE, PLEASE let us know what many, many, posters are oh so eager to hear- namely, "How long was the interval between commencing the treatment and actual relief occurring?". Hours, days, weeks, years??
This sort of info. gives hope and encouragement to those contemplating similar treatment on either themselves, family or their friends faced with a similar predicament.
There, not too hard was it?
Cheers from Down Under
P.S. I DID gave this posting a thumbs up - it WAS good. (I'm currently enrolled in a support group for old grouches & learning to be positive and kind to the afflicted).
Kidney Stones, High Blood Pressure
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During the night, I felt very painful area around the liver area, and I thought I was having appendicitis. Went to the emergency ward, and they said it was something else. After doing MRI, it was a kidney stone stuck in the urinary tract between the kidney and bladder. But to proceed with the procedure they said I need to wait another 3 months, because of many others are waiting in line. I could only afford the government funded hospitals.
Tried to research the internet, and I found something about Chanca Piedra. Fortunately, this herbs grows wildly in my garden. I took a bunch of it and simmer it in water and drank it half a cup daily.
To my astonishment, the pain diminished. Previously I couldn't eat too much since if I eat too much it presses on the affected area and it became painful. I couldn't sleep well at night because of back pain and just tossing around the bed became painful. There is something in Chance Piedra that acts as analgesics. After drinking it, I can sleep better since the pain reduces to tolerable threshold.
One day, I have the urge to urinate, and it felt a bit difficult since I need to push harder in order for the urine to flow out. Suddenly, I hear a loud sound from the toilet bowl like a big pebble clashing down the toilet. It was the kidney stone, coming out without any notice. After that I felt a great relief, I can eat more food, since the pain was already gone.
Another thing that I notice is, my blood pressure reduced to a normal level. I've been taking blood pressure medication without any success, it only capable of reducing my reading in a small numbers. I'm not sure what Chanca Piedra has done to my blood pressure, but the normal value persists for a month. But it came back to abnormal level, perhaps because I was not taking Chance Piedra anymore.
Gonna try again if it could fix my blood pressure since changing several bp medications couldn't fix my bp level.
Thanks
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
I do remember having some stubborn pain in the kidneys a time or two. I used Castor oil, or the Castor oil and DMSO mix to rub on the area. Both worked well. I also continued the baking soda and lemon juice and water drink in the morning before breakfast, plus several glasses of water throughout the day.
Here's a third remedy,
I keep remembering as I remember. Once I had a time shaking the kidney pain, I used the Baking Soda and Molasses cure for that one. I drank it once each morning until the kidney pain left.
Have a wonder filled day!
HisJewel
HisJewel
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
I am sure a few of us has had this experience and me too. I would just stop and give the herb or supplement a vacation, sometimes a long vacation depending on what reaction I had. Then, I would start back at a lower dosage.
Also, I would make myself a baking soda and lemon water drink: 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda to about two teaspoons of lemon juice in about a half cup of water. Then I would chase that down with a glass of water. Throughout the day I would drink several glasses of water. But actually, after the baking soda and lemon juice water, my kidneys would feel very happy.
HisJewel
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
Hi, I started taking chanca piedra, pau d'arco, and chaparral 5 days ago in the amounts (tablespoons per cup) that I've always taken tea in the past. Yesterday evening, I started feeling stinging pain in my kidneys and a slighter stinging pain in the liver area. It's not very painful, but the fact that it's there is alarming because I've never felt pain in those areas. I stopped taking the tea yesterday. If the pain gets worse I will go see a doctor, but have any of you experienced this? Should the pain pass on its own since I stopped taking the herbs? If the pain stops I would like to start over again but much slower.
Kidney Stones
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After having the last one 3 years ago, I searched the internet for a cure and chanca piedra popped up. I purchased a tincture of chanca and after taking for several days, I passed a large stone without having pain.
Several days later I passed a number of very small ones. I have been using this tincture daily for the last 3 years without having any more kidney stones.
P.S. I do take magnesium and potassium along with other vitamins because of the diuretic effect of Chanca piedra.
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
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BTW, I got Hep B in 1980 & nearly died, then was hospitalized & dosed (not long after an old naturopath saved my life from that & about 4 other concurrent illnesses) by a traditional doctor for bronchitis with an IV antibiotic I TOLD him specifically not to use because it's contraindicated for liver patients. That pretty much finished off my liver. I recently began experiencing bloating of then pain & shrinkage of what has to be my liver. I also have MG & now have CHF & HBP which is killing my kidneys. I am about to scrape up the funds to buy another batch of the niruri & save myself this time.
I used potassium citrate for one of my little dogs with kidney stones & damage from the Sam's melanine contaminated/fortified dog cookies that killed so many pets in the mid 2000s, but I read it can cause potassium problems if not used carefully. Hope this helps someone.
Uterine Polyps
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Uterine Polyps
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Just checking in with my DHEA experience and further info on my Chanca piedra experience also. I have been taking 25mgs DHEA. I would simply love it if some of the older women would chime in with what they experienced with DHEA.
As I mentioned last year in April of 2019 my menstruation returned and lasted all of one day. I initially cut down to taking DHEA 2 to 3 days a week, but I found I felt better when taking it at least 5 days a week. I also take Pregnenlone 50mgs on the days when I do not take DHEA, however I have taken both in one day. I just wanted to share that one day monthly may have been the beginning of something unconnected to the DHEA, a Polyp. I thought I was getting a re-visitation because of a poster, an elder lady said that's what happened to her while on DHEA. I did not believe her, but began to wonder that day when I noted my monthly seemed to have returned in April 2019. Anyway, I did go through some trauma and drama at the end of 2019. For 3 months I once again had what I thought was the return of my monthly. I finally went to the doctor because the bleeding was excessive. The verdict was it was a Polyp, The doctor said, it had already began to break apart on its own, she wanted to make an appointment to have it removed or simply watch it. I decided to let the Lord finish the work. I believe it was the Lord that gave me a mind to give the Chanca Piedra a second try before I had even gone to the doctor.
When I took the Chanca Piedra in April last year I got a reaction from it, "the ithes". I did Not have my eye glass on when I read directs before, so the two capsules I was taking equaled 1800mg a day, so what I did this time was only take One capsule instead 900mg a day. This time there was No itching as before. When I looked at the date that I started to take the Chanca Piedra, I wondered if that polyp was already there in April and it started breaking down the Polyp then and that's what caused the bleeding, but I stopped taking it, but it had not fully flushed out yet.
Interesting enough I would fall in and out of love with lemons a lot between those months which probably also help to break it up, and then I topped it off by trying the Chanca Piedra again. Whatever happened, they say the Lord works in mysterious ways bringing about miracles.
HisJewel
The first mention Phyilanthus niruri is said to be safe non toxic with few side effects. The second mentioned Phyilanthus and in High doses could be toxic and may be harmful to kidneys.. I tried it out Chanca Piedra about February 2019, the company I ordered from does not say what type of Chanca Piedra it is, it just says organic and says to take 1000mg once a day. Which proved too strong for me.
Hisjewel.
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
Chanca Piedra Side Effects
Chanca Piedra Plant Identification
Here is a link to some photos of Chanca piedra (Phyllanthus niruri) on the stuartxchange website:
http://www.stuartxchange.org/SampaSampalukan
In the Philippines, the herb is called sampa-sampalukan. Also note that the seeds form along the underside of the center leaf petioles and are most abundant at the top of the plant. This is unique to chanca piedra -- no other plant form their seeds under the petiole like this. This is how you can identify this plant so easily. CP only grows to a maximum height of about 50 to 60 cms.
Here is some more research on this herb from The Rain-Tree Tropical Plant Database which might also interest you:
Chanca Piedra Plant Identification
Thanks Baldev
Hepatitis B
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Osteoporosis
★★★★☆
* Take 5% lugol's iodine -- 6 drops a day in a glass of water(work up to this dose slowly). Or you can take 50mgs to 120mgs of potassium iodide per day if you prefer. The iodine/iodide will ensure proper production of the calcitonin thyroid hormone which is the regulating hormone for the bone-forming iconoblasts cells in your bones. So increasing your iodine intake should also help to properly regulate and increase bone formation in your hips and bones.
* For the osteoporosis, I would also take Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy(See Ted's alkalizing remedies on EC). I would also change Ted's lemon alkalizing remedy in the following way. Just add the zest of the lemon(about 1/5 of lemon's surface area) to the alkalizing remedy. Then drink it and make sure you also chew and swallow the lemon zest as well. Take it once a day. Following this simple protocol once a day helps to protect the body's bone density. Lemon peel also contain high concentrations of hesperidin(as well as quercitin, limonene, gallic acid etc), which is a bioflavinoid that helps prevent bone loss in the human body. See this research article:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18174393
* To help remove the dangerous LDL LipoA build-up on your heart valve, Linus Pauling's Vitamin C + Lysine protocol is probably the best and cheapest remedy for you. For serious problems ie arteriosclerosis in the heart, I would take 1/4 tspn Ascorbic acid(1000mgs) powder and 1/4 tspn lysine powder(1000mgs) in a half glass of water, at hourly intervals, at least 4 times a day. If you can do it, taking the vitamin C + lysine in a half glass of water 6 or 8 times a day would be much better. The short explanation for this remedy is that the vitamin C actively removes the dangerous build-up of LipoA on the arterial walls whereas the lysine actively deactivates the dangerous LDL(LipoA) in the blood so that it cannot be used to cause artery build-up. Here is an explanation of Linus Pauling's research with some testimonials:
