Colloidal Silver Side Effects

In reply to Cshopeful (Georgia),

The majority of recent studies suggest that particle size is a very important point when it comes to the effectiveness of colloidal silver and either too small or too large is not optimal. From those studies it appears that a particle size range in the 12~20nm range is optimal for antibacterial and antiviral activity. Particles much larger than 20 nm are less effective against viral and bacterial pathogens while particles below 10 nm are much more toxic to normal cells.......especially below 5nm.

In terms of parts per million, it would be easier to say how much silver is actually in a given dose in mgs. For example, if you take one tablespoon of 320 ppm CS or you take one cup of 20 ppm colloidal silver, you have ingested the same amount of silver either way or roughly 5mg of silver particles.

Regarding the skin discoloration you mentioned in the area where you applied silver, did you use ionic silver or colloidal silver? Ionic silver is smaller than colloidal silver and can directly enter cells, but once inside it can bind to many things such as selenium or chloride as two typical examples, but once it binds it becomes too large to leave the cell and is trapped in the cell. Since this was a topical application, these cells would be close to the skin surface and solar rays can react with these silver based products causing a photo reaction that appears as a dark spot. I believe this is a process similar to how black and white photographs are developed.

Colloidal silver on the other hand, when applied topically is too large to enter cells as ionic silver does. While CS can release ions, it is no where near the amount as you would get with a product that is 80% ionic or more. Another important difference between ionic silver and colloidal silver is that ionic silver has been shown to be up to 25 times more toxic to normal human cells.

Unfortunately, we consumers are in a tough spot when trying to determine if a commercial product is really colloidal silver or ionic silver because almost all manufacturers describe their products as "colloidal silver", even if they are wholly or mostly ionic silver and some products are mostly colloidal silver, but are also likely to contain a significant amount of ionic silver if not fully reduced to colloidal silver.. Generally, if the product is in a blue or brown bottle or it appears to be colorless like water, it is probably ionic silver. Reducing ionic silver to colloidal silver is another expense for CS manufacturers and consequently the majority of available products will be ionic silver or mostly ionic silver. If the product in question is in the yellow to brown color range, it is probably at least partially reduced colloidal silver.

In terms of cost, retail CS is expensive. Making it yourself requires an initial outlay that isn't always cheap, but once you have the correct equipment and materials to make high quality colloidal silver, it is very inexpensive to make it for the rest of your life.

The only way to be sure of what you have and what quality it is, is to make it yourself since no manufacturer that I am aware of actually describes their manufacturing process in detail. A good quality generator that at least has current regulation is a must and a computer controlled generator is the best in order to make high quality colloidal silver each and every batch.

Art

Linda: Take Zinc Lozenges. Some brands contain Vit-C which may or may not be good in your condition, and some contain Zinc & Elderberry, which is a favorite among many. Also rub Cod Liver Oil over the affected area.

These remedies will kill the infections and promote cellular regeneration or healing and so you can get your taste & smell back right away.

The event of the Colloidal Silver damaging your sinuses is an indication that your antioxidant status is poor. Increase your antioxidant foods as well as supplementation.

T: Some Colloidal Silver products contain protein or "amino acid chelate" so to increase the PPM or concentration. In this case, if not stored in a cool & dark place and not exceed shelf-life, it can harbor bacteria. I know it sounds like a contradiction but that is the nature of proteins despite the environment. These types of bacteria are properly labeled "stealth".

To kill the bacteria fix two small copper wires to a 9 volt battery making sure they don't touch each other and submerge into the C.S. bottle for a few minutes. To be sure, empty the contents into a cooking pot and boil for a few minutes. And maybe repeat the zap again.

You may consider buying and making your own C.S. as no protein is added, and no problem.

COCSV, do you know if external use is unhealthy?

Hello "Child of Colloidal Silver Victim"

So sorry to hear about your dad and his argyria.

You said he made his own CS. Could you tell me how he did it. I've been looking for someone for a long time to tell me what process is used where the bad skin coloring side effects took place.

I've made my own for 20 years nearly and drink it five days a week and use topically and as an irrigation if infected. No side effects.

Again, I'm so sorry for what happened to your father. I too had a wonderful father and I gave him CS to drink daily for about fifteen years. His immune system was compromised and I had him on the CS to help kill fungal and viral invaders. He died at 88 years old of diabetes related issues. And his skin was as white as mine.

So because you were willing to write about your dad, would you please describe exactly how he made the Silver product he consumed. For instance, did he use strands of silver or pieces of silver? Did he use an electrical method or some other means of deriving the silver solution? Was the final product a "creamy" product or invisible in water? How often did he consume the product? How did he consume it?...by mouth on applied to skin? Anything you can do to describe his protocol in producing the silver product plus how he ingested the product might help others not to repeat in like manner.

Many of us who make CS would really appreciate knowing how this happened...argyria.

Thank you,

dave

Sorry to hear about your Dad's passing, but do you think the "home made" component of his taking silver was the contributory factor? His dose could have been off the scale in comparison to laboratory produced and tested colloidal silver.

Someone posted this and it seems like a troll to me. It would be nice if it was deleted as so many people including myself have benefitted from using CS. These kind of posts scare people away who might have gotten help.

Steve

Hello Steve from Nevada,

When I read the victim of CS article I thought the same thing...this is a planted story.

So I wrote to the writer, but assumed the story was for real and asked the writer to describe in detail how the dad made the CS. We KNOW that properly made CS will not cause argyria. We know from experience. But I've been trying to find a few people who do suffer with argyria to find the way they made their CS. What in the world were they doing? The correct ...non "toxic" method is so simple, it's baffling to me how someone could get it wrong ... so I keep asking. One writer a month or so ago on EC said someone in his neighborhood had argyria and so I wrote that poster back and asked him if he could just contact that neighbor to make an inquiry. Poster wrote back that...no...the neighbor with argyria had moved...or something like that.

So I keep "challengling" someone to tell me how the argyria victim actually produced his product and just can't find anybody who will "fess up" with details.

The issue that is unresolved with CS makers...is this: we all (except some odd group that get argyria) use the electric process...right?...OK, so the question is how to proceed ... by using a few grains of salt in the heated water to get conductive process quickly or to not add anything and just wait for thirty minutes, the latter being what I call the "slow" method. That method apparently produces a surface area of the silver particles less than the quicker method. The quicker method gives a larger surface area. But that is not necessairly bad. I've read articles that discuss the advantage of large surface area and have actually had my cs tested at a lab in comparison with two other commercial brands. Only difference in the photos of the three was surface area. Mine was a bit larger (visually).

I keep looking for a technical analysis that is definative: Mainly looking for a double blind study that demonstrates the superiority of one over the other. I'm open minded on this. My way may not be the best way but the way I've done it has worked for 20 years.

Steve, do you make your own; and if so by what method?

Dave and/or Steve: Before this whole discussion on CS, I bought a bottle of it for external use, but now I just want to make sure it's useable stuff. It's in a brown hard plastic (not glass) "jar" and is 20 ppm. I can't see it's color because of the bottle color. I haven't opened it yet, as I want to be sure it's ok to use externally. What do you think?

I use a Silver Puppy. Makes great CS. I consider to be the best and easiest to use CS gen on the market. There are a couple of other good ones too like Silvergen and Wishgranted. Even with 3 or four 9v batteries, distilled water and some .9999 silver wire you can still make decent CS in a pinch.

Steve

I beleive if you are unsure how to make your own colloildal silver buy a trusted national brand. 10ppm works great for most people and is very safe. Steve

Hey there Mmsg in Europe,

On your unopened brown bottle of CS. Of course, you can use it. But why just external? I said on this EC site probably fifty times that I drink CS regularly and have for 20 years. For sore throat I gargle with it and poof, sore throat gone. If this were me, not knowing the effect of CS and having a nice little brown bottle of the stuff just sitting there looking pretty, well I'd at least experiment with it the first sinus infection I got. For sinus infection, I put in palm of my hand and sniff into sinus...it will sting on both sides but on one side more than the other. Repeat ten min later. Usually, drainage follows and 90 percent of the time the infection is gone.

Best to you,

Dave

Dave: I'm w/ you on this. After reading the post I was highly suspicious. If C.S. weren't easily obtainable AND effective antibiotic, there would be no need of opposition or defamation.

Let me share my C.S. production story. I bought a unit from AtlasNova which promotes a "slow cook" for up to 12 hrs at a 300 hz? power for the smallest particle at dense concentration. I don't have a meter so I can't tell ppm but the company supplies a laser light to help gage density. I cook 1/2 gallon mason jar batch at approx 500?(reading on ohmeter thingy) for about 4 hrs. I do not heat or add salt. To speed the process A.N. recommends adding a few spoons of C.S. from the previous batch (i find no real difference either way here).

To Timh

Re Colloidal Silver production methods.

Thank you so much for relaying your method. Your method is the opposite of how I do mine. Yours is slow and does not use any conductive add in, while I use a bit of salt, and I call mine "fast"....not using the term "slow" as derisive...your's could be more effective than mine.

Wouldn't it be interesting to compare and contrast on effectiveness. You've obvioulsly gotten good results from your "slow" process as I from my "fast" method.

Once I did use another commercial "super" silver supposedly producing very small particulates of silver and tried it on my stuborn (allergy caused?) sinus stuffiness. Had it since youth and so every year would have five or six bad colds. Often that would turn into bronchitis. But twenty years ago started up on the CS (fast method is how I was taught by a very tech smart guy)...and since then no colds except maybe once every two years and only two cases of broncitis in 20 years.

But I digress (which often I do), and relate the rest of the story: I was taking the super commercial brand of very small particle CS every day and, what do you know, suddenly I start up with a sinus infection. Can tell they are coming in a minute. So doubled up on the commercial super CS and the sinus infection got worse!

Doubled up again. Worse...and then knew I had to go to my "dirty low down fast CS" and BAM! ...knocked the infection out in one App!

So that taught me a big lesson. Not all CSs are equally potent and some may be worthless.

What I'd love to try is some study which actually tried different CSs both in vivo and vitro. But remember: "In Vivo veritas" so the practical use and effect on a living human is superior to lab results from petri dishes. That's why our anacdotal results are compelling even though not double blind.

I have tons of anacdotals...how bout you?

Thanks, Dave, for setting my mind at ease on this. Would you happen to know the effects of dabbing it on a basal cell epithelioma? In this case the goal is not healing the open sore as yet, the goal is pulling out what's under there (a bump that is getting smaller with application of all sorts of remedies).

Unfortunately, my case is complicated by complexity & severity so I have never achieved substantial improvement w/ C.S. overall w/ the exception of an eye infection that after 1 wk prescription anti inflammatory & antibiotic use proved useless. So I did some C.S. drops 2 times day for 2 days and boom, no more infection.

A few yrs back, prior to my own generator, I purchased a Silver product and seemed to encounter a staff infection or something in the gut. I researched and found that C.S. bound to protein has problems w/ shelf life or heat which can decompose the protein. Anyway, I heated the product on cooking stove and continued using w/ no more problems.

Presntly, in the attempt to treat chronic fungal & mycoplasma infection, I take 2 caps Berberine 2 caps Oregon Grape, then a hot bath w/ Borax and Iodine. Fallowing the bath I drink about 8oz C.S., all with a few days improvement.

There are only 10 known cases of people actually turning blue. The one man who was called the blue man, actually used salt to make his CS. The bigger the particles the more prone to be trapped in your body. He stated he took 20 times the dosage for 35 years! So the lesson here is, use 20 PPM and dosage is easy to calculate:

Your body weight x 12 divided my PPM = number of drops. Example, if you're 125 pounds, and you're using a 10 ppm colloidal silver solution, you'd multiply 12 times 125 = 1,500. Then divide 1,500 by 10 (ppm), which is 150.

So at a body weight of 125 pounds, you can safely take 150 drops of colloidal silver per day, for your entire life, according to the Silver Safety Council. That's a little bit over a teaspoonful a day.

Are you sure it was not one of the actors from AVATAR your talking about? I've made my own CS for years and take it all the time and it has cured many many ailments for me and my family...

You should buy the book called "Colloidal Silver Medical Uses, Toxicology & Manufacture" by John Hill. You can get it on Amazon.

According to what I've read and to what I understand of it, argyria (turning blue) is generally what people get if they (a) make and drink silver that is very high in silver particles or they don't use proper water and/or (b) drink enormous quantities of it (c) for a long time. There's not many of them around. With the lady who turned blue after being given it to her by her doctor (around 50 years ago), it has been said the amount of silver in her nasal drops was very high, and hence the blue/grey tint to her skin. Nowadays it seems we understand this much better and commercial silvers have (or should have! ) a much lower ppm (parts per million) of silver that are suspended in pure water. I use _______ 'My Colloidal Silver', which has a high alkalinity (I'm a very acidic person) and 20ppm. It is clear and has cured many, many ailments in my family. It's expensive too, unfortunately. But we are still rosy cheeked! ;) Hope this helps!!

Rebel, I understand your confusion, I too was once as confused as you appear in you post. However, after around 10 years of making my own silver reading and researching I finally got it. If you read my post ''HOME MADE SILVER '' you to will get it once and for all and no one will ever turn blue with this silver! Mark

I noticed that at times there is an odor if I am taking a bath; a sort of a metal smell. It seems that I can also detect an odor with Hydrogen peroxide. it could be that drinking water may flush it through.

After 2 weeks the smell is finally starting to go away. I also remembered that he had gotten his IVIG therapy the same day I started giving him the silver. Maybe it was a reaction between the two? I have had him drink nothing but 9.5 alkaline water. He barely drinks 30 oz per day but that is an improvement over his normal habits. Also gave him olive leaf extract a few times along with his regular vitamins. So far no other effects except he has been a little extra tired.

I would still love to get any reader feedback.

blessings, cw

When I take CS, I always notice a "metal" odor in my urine. It is sometimes extremely strong. But the longer I take CS, the odor minimizes. I believe the odor is a product of detoxification. I do drink lots of water to help flush it away.

Today is day #2 of taking Colloidal Silver... Experiencing shivers throughout whole body. I'm not "freezing" but if I think about it I notice my whole body is having chills. I'm only ingesting 1/2 tblsp/day to get rid of sore throat and earache. Could I be doing something wrong or do I need to add something else to my regimen?

Take less, or try a different remedy on this site. Always back down when having side effects. If that makes it take longer to heal, so be it.

That's called a Detox. Unless you have a rare silver alergy. Some things don't work for some people. I personally can't use Lauricidin I get very sick everytime and never saw any benefit. Silver works for me.

It might be Herx :/ The first day I used silver my upper jaw area hurt, especially near the ears and sinus. And I'm currently trying to get rid of a sore throat and sinus infection. I was bit by a tic years ago and did not notice a rash, but now I have symptoms of Lyme disease.

When you are taking several powerful remedies for the same thing your body may get confused. It would be wise to take just one for awhile and wait for its results and then change to another. When I started taking Colloidal Silver I stopped taking the apple cider vinegar on a daily basis. Before taking the CS I had a unusual pain in my chest area behind my left breast. When I started taking the CS the pain started moving until it was over my right breast. I pondered what to do, stop taking or keep taking the silver. In the meantime, I always developed this belching problem when I started on the CS. I decided to keep taking it b/c I felt strongly it was doing my body some good. After 2 weeks the pain that I had been experiencing in my chest for several yrs now is completelt GONE!!! And the belching has decreased quite a bit. I believe CS is good for human comsumption, but one much use good common sense and use it wisely. If the pain in my chest had increased after 2 wks I would have stopped taking the silver. Personally, I feel it cleaned out my arteries. Oh, I use to get mouth cankers that last at least 3 miserible weeks. I got one last one that never fully developed and it is totally gone! I beleive CS works as a detox and as a repairer of harm that has been done to the body whatever causes. Thank God for its existence and availability!

In reference to a person turning blue from Colloidal Silver... that only happens if a person incorrectly makes their own. However, the statement that argyria or turning blue is irreversible is not true. It was discovered that semsc selenium would slowly chelate the silver out of the body, but may take a couple of years. I believe nothing is irreversible or uncurable, we just have not found or released the solution yet.