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Grover's Disease Triggers
Grover's Disease Triggers
A few more points to include re: Cherry Angiomas, Bromide & Iodine:
CHERRY ANGIOMA CAUSES: additional causes for cherry angiomas:
1. Aspartame poisoning
2. Detoxing too intensely during a halogen/bromide detox protocol which overloads the body's detoxification pathways. Often, symptoms worsen temporarily before they improve.
To minimize/eliminate detox reactions: increase iodine co-factors, zeolite, fluid intake, kidney support; balance the body's pH, add a complete nutritional program (vitamins & minerals).
The best way to minimize bromine/toxic halogen detox reactions is to ensure adequate use of sea salt, Magnesium chloride supplementation and Vitamin C. Sometimes, one needs to take a 48 hour break from iodine supplementation or lower the Iodine dose and slowly work back up to higher dose.
If severe detox reactions: flush the kidneys of toxins do a SALT FLUSH: in addition to the daily intake of 1/2 tsp Celtic sea salt, drink dissolved 1/2 tsp of Celtic sea salt in warm water followed by 12-16 ounces of pure water, repeat this every 45 minutes until copious urination occurs. Repeat each day up to 3 days only to clear detox symptoms. Other salts that can be used: Himalayan Pink Salt, Hawaiian Black Salt, Celtic Gray Salt, ....
Can put a little Lugol's tincture on "Bromine Detox Zits" or cherry angiomas at night and they disappear if caught early.
Some symptoms of the body dumping/detoxing bromine include: increased body odor, cloudy urine, skin eruptions/acne, fatigue, fever, diarrhea, bloat, headache, depression/anxiety, brain fog, muscle aches, .... The odor lasts 1-2 weeks though the cloudy urine may take several months to clear. These detox reactions to iodine occur about 5% of the time.
Some people require up to 2 years of iodine therapy to bring bromide levels down if sodium chloride (sea salt) is not included in the bromine detox program.
IODINE
IODINE FORM TO USE: use a combination of iodine and iodide (i.e., Lugol's = 5% iodine + 10% iodide in water; tincture or capsule). This is important because different endocrine organs & tissues take up different forms of iodine. Example, the breasts and prostate concentrate iodine whereas the thyroid gland and the skin primarily concentrate iodide. Other tissues, including the liver, spleen, kidneys, blood, salivary glands and intestines concentrate either form.
THYROID MEDS - do not take thyroid preparations unless the iodine deficiency has been addressed because it will cause a worse iodine deficiency.
ALLERGY - before using iodine, test for an allergic reaction by doing a skin patch test: apply a small amount of Lugol's to a patch of skin for a reaction (hives, itching, rash). If allergic, take Edgar Cayce's Atomodine tincture, a detoxified form of iodine. Also, most people allergic to iodine are not allergic to iodide.
BROMINE
B intake accelerates iodine deficiency and prevents iodine from binding to its own receptors thus increasing the risk of all thyroid disorders and some cancers since thyroid tissue structure and hormone production requires iodine!
Bromine is a potent inhibitor of thyroid hormone production. And, iodine deficiency accelerates bromide toxicity.
Bromine is considered a potent goitrogen which is a chemical that causes a goiter in the thyroid gland.
Bromine is very slowly eliminated from the body. It binds tightly to the iodine receptors in the body's cells (which are concentrated in the endocrine glands). Also, bromine can bind to the iodine transport cells and damage them! And, the oxidized form of bromide- bromine- is stored in the fat tissues.
Increasing Iodide intake lowers bromide levels in these organs and the SKIN and detoxifies the entire body.
Bromine toxicity (bromism) can be present even with low levels of bromide in the diet.
A low-salt diet exacerbates bromine toxicity.
Bromine toxicity can cause loss of hearing and vegetative lesions on the scalp and face.
More sources of bromine intake:
Carbonated drinks: Mountain Dew, AMP Energy Drink, some Gatorade products, colas, Code Red, Dr. Pepper, HC, Sun Drop, Fanta, Minute Maid Lemonade, Citrus Gatorade, citrus flavored drinks, etc..
Used in computers and automobiles
Used as a preservative in nuts and oils
Used as a fumigant for termites
Medications: Atrovent Inhaler, Atrovent Nasal Spray, Ipratropium Nasal Spray, Pro-Panthine, Pyridostigmine bromide, Spiriva Handihaler, Prozac, Paxil, some meds for bowel and bladder dysfunction, anticonvulsants, some sedatives, plastic products, infant cough syrup, toothpaste and many other prescription drugs.
Sprays on fruits and vegetables.
Cleaners
Potassium Bromate (PB) - PB is still listed as a "safe food additive" by the FDA despite being banned in Europe, the UK, China, Sri Lanka, Nigeria, Peru, Brazil and Canada. The CDC lists bromine in the same class as PB, as a TOXIN. PB is used in most bread products in the US and they may disguise its presence with the label "enriched flour". An FDA's limited survey found high levels of bromate in rolls and buns.
AVOID all toxic halogens (chlorine, florine) especially bromine sources, "it is a toxic element and has no place for ingestion in man", Dr D Brownstein.
Sources:
"Iodine, Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live WIthout It", 3rd edition, David Brownstein, MD
"Healing With Iodine", Dr Mark Sircus
Grover's Disease Triggers
There are several causes for "true" cherry angiomas however, the most probable cause is Bromine toxicity. Bromine, like Floride and Chlorine are toxic halogens. You can be tested for bromide toxicity with a simple urine sample (e.g., Hakala Labs). Can read up about Bromism (bromine poisoning).
There is a page on EarthCinic to check out - Bromine Link to Cherry Angioma.
Other causes for cherry angiomas include: other chemical exposures - e.g, topical nitrogen and sulfur mustards, butoxyethanol; intravascular large B-cell lymphoma (IVLBCL); other toxic agents.
Also, it is associated with excess estrogen which is related to liver dysfunction, excess copper, vitamin C deficiency, Iodine deficiency and aging.
There are other conditions that have a very similar appearance, for example:
1. Bacillary angiomatosis - (bright red lumps) caused by various Bartonella species (e.g., merckmanuals.com). These lesions are sometimes called cherry angiomas. This is a common Lyme co-infection.
2. Grover's disease - itchy red bumps, slightly raised, water blisters can occur alongside or inside them.
Bromine: research conducted by Drs. A. D. Cohena, E. Cagnanob, and D. A. Vardya, shows the correlation between bromine poisoning and cherry angiomas - "Mysterious red moles appeared on researchers' bodies after working for extended periods of time with brominated compounds."
Bromine poisoning is a toxic halogen (Bromism). It is a known disruptor which prevents the absorption of iodine in the body. Bromine builds up in the body and replaces all the iodine on the cell's iodine receptors. Eventually, there is excess and the body stores it in the skin/fat tissues causing these lesions.
Due to chronic toxicity and carcinogenicity, the US Food and Drug Administration banned bromide salts from over-the-counter products in 1975 and all sleep products in 1989. There are no FDA-approved uses for bromide, and it is no longer available in over-the-counter sedatives (however, some drugs today contain bromides?). Therapeutic bromide levels are measured in European countries like Germany, where bromide is still used therapeutically in human epilepsy.
"Bromism was once a very common disorder, being responsible for 5 to 10% of psychiatric hospital admissions, but is now uncommon since bromide was withdrawn from clinical use in many countries and was severely restricted in others." en.wikipedia.org
Bromine toxicity can be caused by: industrial exposure at work; sodas & foods which contain brominated vegetable oil (e.g., Colas); brominated flours ("enriched flour") and baked goods; medications (e.g., Citalopram Hydrobromide (aka Celexa) which is Citalopram bound to bromide; ipratropium bromide for asthma; cyclosporine for psoriasis, some anti-cancer drugs, etc...); Sodium bromate is added to hair permanents and dyes; some cosmetics; Methyl Bromide is an agricultural pesticide used on fruit, especially on California-grown strawberries; bromide based cleaners for pools and spas; PBDEs (bromide compounds) are used heavily as flame retardants in new furniture, children's clothing, bedding, cars; and, Bromide ions have been detected in some bottled drinking water and water filtration systems.
I knew a doctor whose son developed psychosis and cherry angiomas from drinking several Mountain Dew Liters, daily, for quite a while! He was admitted to the ER.
Treatment
The only way to flush Bromide out of the body is using a high quality iodine source. iodine rids the body of bromine, other toxic halides, some heavy metals and other toxins. Including a safe source of sea salt is also used along with the iodine.
Example of a toxic halide detox protocol: (See Dr David Brownstein's books)
Iodine - work up to 25-50 mg/day slowly, stay at this level for 3-12 months then reduce to maintenance dose of 12.5 mg/day - CHECK WITH YOUR DOCTOR FIRST.
Note: Bladderwrack or another high iodine seaweed contains the best form of bioavailable organic iodine so it is best to include this as part of the iodine intake. Some good brands: Iodoral, Lugol's by compounding pharmacist or make your own (see Dr Hulda Clark's books), Global Healing Detoxadine, etc..).
Celtic Sea Salt: 10 grams daily, check with doctor first; NOTE: intake of iodine should be preceded by a salt loading protocol and/or sulfur supplementation (see Dr Brownstein's protocol). The chloride in salt helps the kidneys detoxify bromide.
Magnesium: 500 - 1000 mg/day; baths, topical gel, ionic liquid oral. Good forms - Mg citrate, Mg glycerinate, chelated Mg by Solgar, etc.. Ionic liquid form is most bioavailable and topical. Mg chloride is more effective.
Epsom Salt Baths: x2/week, 2 cups in bath
Note: magnesium baths and excessive Mg supplementation is contraindicated in CCSVI - Chronic cerebrospinal venous insufficiency.
Vitamin C: 10 grams daily, divided doses. Taking it on the higher end is needed to detox Bromine. Maintenance dose is 3 g/day.
Vitamins B2: 100 mg, x3/day
Vitamin B3: 500 mg, x2/day
Selenium: 200 mcg/day
Zinc: standard dose
Zeolite: use high quality, x2/day; there are quality German brands and others, only use the powdered form.
A comprehensive vitamin/mineral, Essential Fatty Acid (omega 3s) & nutrition program
Note: some also apply iodine and/or magnesium topically in various ways to detox bromide:
* Ancient Mineral oil of magnesium applied to the area
* Pascalite clay applied to the area
* Epsom salts or Celtic sea salts with hydrogen peroxide applied to the area
Sources to explore:
"Salt Your Way to Health" - Dr David Brownstein
The Iodine Group Website
"Iodine - Why You Need It - Why You Can't Live Without It", Dr David Brownstein
https://www.iodine-resource.com
"The Iodine Crisis", Lynne Farrow
www.breastcancerchoices.org/bromidedominancetheory.html
Grover's Disease Triggers
Multiple Remedies
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1. Willow Balm pain cream buy it on amazon/the itch cream is less effective, but willow balm emliminates the itching for about 8 to 10 hrs and help heal my grovers.
2. Hydrogen peroxide wipe the effected area 2 times daily before treating it.
3. Uva and uvb exposer once a week for 10 mins.
4. Cotton shirts, no micro fibers.
5. Marshmellow Root/NAC/Querciten/Vit d 5000 to 10000/
6. No oral meds at all to many issues.
Grover's Disease Triggers
Sorry to hear of your issue. Dr.Lenerd Coldwell is the #1 natural Dr. he has many videos on Youtube. He says to rub Hemp Oil on any skin issues and they will die and never re-appear.
God Bless
Gary
Grover's Disease Triggers
Dealing with Grovers, also. Going to dermatologist three times a week for the blu light treatment....not sure how effective it is, as I still itch and have the nasty lesions on back, chest and arms.
Could you please provide the recipe for your Cilantro Smoothie? I would very much appreciate!
Many thanks!
Joni
Baby Shampoo, Calamine and Pramoxine Spray
Grover's Disease Triggers
Willow Balm, H2O2, Tanning Bed
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Here is an udate as I am itch free for 14 days as of this email:
Step 1 = Respiractin - find this product and take it 2 to 3 times daily it is amazing and is a product of Canada, it simply works.
Step 2= use peroxide to clean the affected area 2 to 3 times a day.
Step=3= use willow balm pain lotion for the itch.
Step=4= your choice uva/uvb tanning 3 to 6 mins on the affected area.
And I am itch free and very happy, please look to the other post I submitted for the prescription cream I used in conjunction with this treatment. (note) I refuse to take oral meds as they are useless in my opinion and have way too many side effects. This was a 8 week struggle to find what worked for me and I am finally free of grovers. Thank god
Baby Shampoo, Calamine and Pramoxine Spray
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I found that just washing the area with baby shampoo and leaving it alone helped the most. I had been doing fine and decided to go into a tannining bed. I got a little pink on my upper back. A few days later, I tried to go to bed and I began to itch unbearably on my back. I thought it was my sunburn healing because there were no bumps. I tried cortisone cream and took an antihistamine. It settled a little but I could not lay on my back or wear a shirt. The next day my back was covered in the notorious bumps. As a last hope, I bought a calamine and pramoxine spray. It burned at first but helped tremendously probably because it soaks up moisture in the skin.
Trying cilantro in my smoothies now.
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I have not and will not take any oral medications, as I do not feel they work and have more than their share of negative side effects..
Treatments that work for me:
1. Willow balm for pain/ is still my go to for the itching and is amazing for stopping the itch.
(Cons) a bit strong smelling but I have smelled way worse..
(Note) Willow balm has product for itching but it is not as effective as the pain balm (it smells less strong).
2. Hydrogen peroxide to clean the affected area 2 to 3 times daily with triamcinolone 0.1% cream with willow balm 2 to 3 times daily.
(Cons) hydrogen peroxide can burn but it not the worst pain and use the peroxide after cleaning your skin..
3. Top choice for non-topical treatment is going to the tanning salon and using a uva /uvb stand up bed on the effected areas of my back and chest. I spend 4 to 6 mins 2 times a week and I am mostly itch free for 95% of the week.
(Cons) dermatologists get very unhappy about tanning. But since they have to personally deal with the non-stop itching day and night, I do not care what they think at this point. Tanning is the key to my dealing with gd. But keep in mind i am using a limited time to obtain a slight redding of my skin. Simply works for me.
I hope this helps as I have tried numerous products and this has been a blessing for me..
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Homeopathy
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Yesterday I went to a homeopathic doctor She made up a spray for me. I'm no longer itching in less than 24 hours. I'll continue with it until my skin looks all clear. It's like a miracle. Find a homeopath near you and go. Insurance does not cover but it's well worth the miracle
Grover's Disease Triggered by Vaccine
Grover's Disease Triggered by Vaccine
Grover's Disease Triggers
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My question is if anyone has zero'd in on an ingestible irritant...?
Anti-Fungal Remedies
Cilantro, Vitamin A+
Cilantro, Vitamin A+
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Cilantro, Vitamin A+
Grover's Disease Triggered by Vaccine
Cilantro, Vitamin A+
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The second time they prescribed prednisone and corticosteroid creme and said go to a dermatologist. I did. He said it was Grovers. Did biopsy to confirm. While I waited on the biopsy result I used the corticosteroid creme on my back only for 5 days, once per day. It cleared it right up. I also found this site while I waited. I used cilantro smoothie daily for a couple of weeks which really helped with the itch.
But it is Vitamin A, 48000 IU per day that the dermatologist told me to take that is really clearing it up for good. The dose has to be taken down gradually to about 5000 IU per day after 3 months since Vitamin A is a fat soluble vitamin that the body stores. It is toxic if the mega doses were to be continued.
The dermatologist gave me a refill on the corticosteroid creme, but said not to use it on the breasts and belly because it thins the skin and can create problems because of it. This skin is already thin. Like others who have shared their despair about Grovers, I wonder if my Pfizer vaccinations and 2 boosters may have contributed to this problem showing up. Who knows.
I also was a rabid sunbather for several decades. It could just be my time given the damage I did. I hope this helps someone.
Oh, I am also taking 12 organic chlorella tablets and 2 activated charcoal tablets per day for detoxification. I'm keeping up with the cilantro smoothies a few times a week (1/2 bunch cilantro, 1/2 inch peeled ginger root, handful of spinach, frozen mango chunks, 1/4 avocado, 1 cup water).
God Bless You all.
Grover's Disease Triggers
Grover's Disease Triggered by Vaccine
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Grover's Disease Triggers: Stress
You may have missed this post from 3 weeks ago by EC community member Elena using high dose Vitamin A which may be of interest to you.
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Posted by Elena (California) on 04/30/2022
I started taking 50, 000 IU daily for Grover's since this past Monday. As of today, my skin is almost cleared up!! Thank you to the contributors who shared that information! Just as a reminder take Vit D, 2000 IU more or less, because Vitamin A depletes Vit D.
I'm going to continue for another week, and then reassess whether I should continue on a decreased dosage of Vitamin A.
Best to All
Grover's Disease Triggers: Stress
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Have been prescribed Triamcinolone Acetonide 1%, CeraVe cream, Doxepin, Zyrtec, and already take D3, chelated Zinc, Super Beets, Balance of Nature, and am a vegetarian (for over 40 years). Tried the cilantro drink for a week (awful, soapy). If anyone is trying the aforementioned treatments, they may be healthy, but not effective for my case. Already have a long list of meds, as was in a near-fatal car crash right before 9/11 & have had migraines since the age of 3.
My Grover is all over my trunk, legs, arms, neck & reaching to my face. only my hand and the soles of feet are clear. TY for listening, if you did. Hugs
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I'm going to continue for another week, and then reassess whether I should continue on a decreased dosage of Vitamin A.
Best to All
Grover's Disease Triggered by Vaccine
Anti-Fungal Remedies
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Nothing my dermatologist or PCP recommended worked. Helpful to reduce or eliminate stress, overheating that produces sweat. If you want to get rid of this insidious systemic condition faster, combine with anti-inflammatory foods (avoid bread/sugar). Stick as much as possible to protein, veggies, and low sugar fruit (Granny Smith apples, blueberries). Be careful of some fruits that often have mold (strawberries). In one week there was a miraculous difference and after two weeks I'm cured!
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Witch Hazel stops the itching and fades the rash almost completely. I just put some on a clean cloth and thoroughly wipe the rash down with it, at the first sign of the itching starting back up I use it again.
Grover's Disease Triggered by Vaccine
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I was stunned when I read about your Grovers, I too have been diagnosed and had it about 12 months ago, it went away and has now come back after seeing a dermatologist I am on prednisolone and doxycycline ect alone with mometasone cream, using cetaphil bacterial soap, and nothing is working really I am still spotted up, but I found putting the daktozin fungal cream for nappy rash, was better than the mometasone cream, now having said that I have been researching and it seems that zinc which is in the daktozin seems to be the way to go someone said on this site they put zinc oxide on and the spots went right down so I am going to try that, and I am also going to take some zinc supplement. I was stunned when I read about the vaccinations because that's when I got them after having my vaccs, well good luck let's hope we can beat it
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I'm a 75 year old female diagnosed with Grovers by a dermatologist (primary care physician misdiagnosed Prickly heat) who prescribed topical steroids (which I won't use because of my hypersensitivity to all meds. I have a 3 year history of heart disease and docs made me their guinea pig for meds with horrendous side effects ranging from chronic diarrhea to anaphylactic shock).
Have suffered from Grovers for 1 month now...was keeping me awake with needle-like prickles from 8 pm to 3 am. The night prickles stopped 2 weeks ago when I went on a strict candida-free diet (absolutely no bread and no sugar). Rash is milder now but still evident mostly on chest and belly and some on back. Just started the cilantro smoothie routine, but also made a cilantro pesto (1/4 bunch cilantro and olive oil) poultice for my chest and belly area.
Research on other sites indicates a connection between Grovers and:
1. using electric blanket or heating pad which I have been doing for 3 months (stopped immediately upon reading about the connection) as my feet get ICE cold on Colorado nights (which could be adrenal fatigue?); and
2. Grovers can be activated by strong meds for other conditions (certainly a consideration in my case) and
3. excessive sweat (which I notice between and under my breasts at night) which indicates an imbalance in one's internal thermometer.
I think the presence of heavy metals are also worth examining. Looks like cilantro may play a big role in a cure. Thanks to all of you for your willingness to share what's working! Anxious to try your recipes!
Chlorella, Supplements, Water, Turmeric +
Grover's Disease Triggered by Vaccine
I came lately across an interesting combination to rise up the own Cannaboids and to bind down the silent inflammations and inflammations in general. I copy in the orginal combination: Since I have all products at home, but never used them together, it does not have the same effect. Instead Astaxanthin, I take my fish oil, PEA I take twice a day and Curcuma every 3-4 days, since I have a very strong one. This combination should help for Rheuma and Athritis, but I guess, it does not matter where you have pain or other problems, the own Cannaboids have to be supported.
DoloGon mit PEA (Palmitoylethanolamid), BCM-95 Forte® Vollspektrum-Curcumin und Astaxanthin, www.drhittich.com.
