Joint Pain and Borax: How 20 Mule Team Can Eases Pain

I have been taking Borax 5 days on 2 days off from 10/1/2020 till now for 13 months for joint pain. My condition has been improved, but no cure and still have a lot of pain. Should I continue with borax, or stop? I like to ask your opinion and advise, specially Art Sobrig.

Thanks,

Mike

Mike V,

Unfortunately, Phenobarbital has a similar effect on bones as outlined here :

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3383529/#:~:text=Many studies have shown a, phenobarbital, carbamazepine, phenytoin).

If I had no other options for myself, I would delve into the supplements that I had planned on taking as mentioned in my last reply to you, to try and counter the negative effects of this class of drugs and try to improve my bone integrity that way.

Art

Art,

Thank you so much for great information.

What is your thought about Phenobarbital, instead of Dilantin?

Thanks,

Mike V

Mike V,

That is helpful information!

The Dilantin you have been taking for decades is well known for causing osteopathy (bone disease), bone fractures and hip pain! If you have mentioned your hip pain to your doctor, he should be aware of the connection and can try and take steps to prevent further damage. Here is a study which discusses this very issue. Note the date of the study is 2015 which means that doctors were aware of this problem well before 2015 because it takes many reports from users before studies are started to investigate and confirm the problem.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4668458/

Another study adding confirmation to the idea that long term use of Dilantin can lead to osteoporosis:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10768830/#:~:text=Anticonvulsant therapy causes changes in, direct effects on bone cells.

Phenytoin is another name for Dilantin. Given that this is different than arthritis, borax may or may not be helpful, but since borax contains boron and boron can be helpful for bone issues such as osteoporosis, it may be worth continuing the borax, but it will take longer than the 3 to 4 months I mentioned previously to get measurable benefit. Since you have taken Dilantin for decades, there could potentially be damage to the bones. I know this is not probably what you were hoping to hear, but it may be time to have a talk with your doctor about this adverse event.

Dilantin can also cause problems with teeth.

https://www.verywellhealth.com/dilantin-oral-side-effects-1059294#:~:text=Gingival Overgrowth as a Side Effect of Dilantin (Phenytoin), -By&text=Certain medications used to control, tooth decay, and oral infections.

This article shows how women lost bone density after just one year on Dilantin and you have been on it for decades:

https://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/news/20080429/epilepsy-drug-dilantin-may-speed-bone-loss#1

Given the above, I can only discuss what I would do for myself under similar circumstances as I am not a doctor and can not give medical advice. I would first discuss the situation with my doctor and then I would start taking many of the supplements that are known to improve bone density such as boron/borax, calcium, vitamin K-2, magnesium, vitamin D (to reach the upper half of the reference range of 30~100 ng/ml for 25 OH d serum test), 5 dried prunes per day, zinc, etc.

You may wonder why 5 dried prunes per day? here is the reason :

https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/a-daily-serving-of-5-prunes-helps-slow-bone-loss-and-lowers-the-risk-of-osteoporosis-651416643.html#:~:text=Now, scientific research has found, slow and prevent bone loss.&text=Research published in the journal, for a six-month period.

A doctor might want to prescribe Fosamax, but I would shy away from this one due to potential side effects and not always the best outcomes.

So these would be my immediate considerations that I would initially try to see if I can reverse any bone damage and protect the bone that I do have as well as prevent fractures or further bone loss.

Art

Hi Art,

I greatly appreciate your advise, I am taking 1/4 teaspoon of borax 5days/week, and I am on my fifth weeks now.

I am 71 years old this problem starts about a year ago, siting and standing up is paifull, but walking on flat floor, I have no problem. I am taking one medication Dilantin for epilepsy since I was 24 years old for prevention plus baby asprin, recently also started to take full spectrum CBD, that doesn't help either.

Thanks,

Mike V

It may be possible to speed the process up by also soaking the offending toe in a mild borax solution.

Art

Mike V.,

I'm not sure from what you wrote if you have taken borax for 4 weeks or 5 days, but 5 days is not enough time to deal with arthritis. Do you have an actual diagnosis of a type of arthritis? There are other reasons for joint pain, not just arthritis.

Which joints specifically, hurt you and is it constant or almost constant pain? You do not say how long you have had this joint pain, but if it has been awhile, it can take longer to feel results. In the case of long standing joint pain, it can take 3 to 4 months to see maximum benefit, but at 4 weeks, there would normally be at least some benefit.

You say,

' Not that much improvement '

and that sounds like there is some small amount of improvement and that would be normal in the second week of borax for many people. If it is just 5 days of borax, then you seem on track, but the length of time on borax is not clear to me.

Are you taking a statin drug such as Atorvastatin or Simvastatin? It would be helpful if you gave more information.

Lastly, let's double check exactly what you are taking. You should be taking one quarter teaspoon (US measuring spoons) of borax in one liter or quart of water each weekday which should be a total of 1 1/4 teaspoons total per week. A quarter teaspoon is equivalent to about 980 mg of borax total per weekday with weekends off to make it easier to remember.

Art

Hello Team Earthclinic,

I have had pain in my left big toe for many years now. I have looked at the most common causes and honestly can not figure out what it might be. It hurts in the top knuckle of the toe and then down to the tip. Think about if you balled up your hand to make a fist the knuckle down to the tip.

It always felt like it needed to pop but no matter how hard it was pulled on it just would not pop. I have been taking a good bit of Borax in my morning coffee and a few weeks ago I was able to get that knuckle to pop. It hurt so bad and actually left a small bruise above the knuckle. Some days it hurts really bad and some days I hardly notice it.

It has begin recently to pop on its on and does not hurt as bad as it did the first time it popped. It mostly pops once after I wake and I stretch.

Just wondering if maybe the Borax is finally loose in up what ever is wrong with it. I have an x-ray scheduled but am avoiding hospitals at this time. I also take Black Strap Molasses on that cup of coffee and some coconut oil.

If it's gout or arthritis it sure has taken the Borax a long time to work. I am thinking it is an old injury such as turf toe or broken toe or the Hallux Rigidus. It does stay swollen in that knuckle and the bone falls slightly protruded up.

But the popping that it is doing now seems like it might work it's way back to normal.

Hi Art Solbrig,

I have joint pain and in the last 4 weeks, used Ted's borax remedy, 1/4 teaspoon on the liter of water for 5 days. Not that much improvement.

Any suggestions? Thank you.

Hello everybody. Will someone let me know if we should stop other medicines which we use to treat arthritis if I am using borax as a treatment?

I've been taking borax daily in a cup of tea ( 1/3 teaspoon ) to help with my joints ..I used to wake up in morning and have my knees clicking my wrist sore. Been about half year, I hardly feel any aching joints. All clicking is gone.

Namaw - have your tried activated charcoal tablets for your ibs-d? They help my husband a lot. He takes 4 tablets at breakfast and bedtime and it has reduced his ibs-d symptoms.

I tried the ornithine for my insomnia and took 3 of the now capsules--nothing. Until the next day, when the diarrhea started. My ibs-d is so awful, now I've had the runs since Saturday. Watch out how much of this stuff you take--it may react badly.

Russ, try taking ornithine when you take the borax. It is supposed to mop up the toxins from the dead micro organisms. It works for me. I take about 3 of the now brand capsules about 8 o clock pm and then another 4 right before bed. The insomnia is noticeable if I don't take them.

BETTER BUT WITH SIDE EFFECTS

I found that borax eliminated my feet (both) pain of at least 4 years duration (caused, I think by many years standing on concrete floors at work) other joints were also becoming painful. I built slowly (over 4 weeks) until my dose was a half teaspoon per day. However I've stopped as I couldn't sleep. I felt good at first but could only sleep for perhaps one hour per night. I was exhausted. I waited a month then started the whole regime again. Same result, no pain but no sleep either.