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Dark Chocolate
Posted by Roger (New Smyrna Beach, Fla) on 03/04/2008
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re: Fibromyalgia Brain Fogg. I had this after a heart problem. A friend said have you tried Dark Chocolate Hershey's Special Dark Chocolate. I said no what does it do for you ? Clears the Brain Fogg.

I got one bar at the Drug store. The next day half of the bar was gone and so was the Fogg. It did not come back. I still keep three large Bars in the ref. I tell everyone about this stuff.

General Feedback
Posted by Mister Sir (EUSSR) on 12/14/2022

Indeed, "muscular rheumatism" was recognized in the late nineteenth century, probably called muscle aches, fibromyalgia, or morning stiffness nowadays. They were thought to be related to gout and rheumatism of the joints, and, incidentally, also to skin diseases such as dandruff, pityriasis, psoriasis, eczema, and lichen (more info: Henry Granger Piffard).

In Phillips's Materia Medica: Inorganic Substances, it says on page 100 of the third edition (1904):

"In muscular rheumatism [the iodides] are useful, especially in those cases where the pains are made worse by warmth, as in bed at night."

→ Sounds like morning stiffness / fibromyalgia.


Ph Balancing
Posted by Joyce (Joelton, Tn) on 11/24/2007 490 posts

To Patti from Canton, Ohio (11/24/07) I don't know what T3 therapy is, but I would be taking L-lysine 2grams (2000mgms) 4 times a day for any virus, including EpsteinBarr.


Ph Balancing
Posted by Patti (Canton, Oh) on 11/25/2007

Joyce, thank you for your advice about L lysine. Compounded T3 therapy is used to treat hypothyroidism. T3 is the active form of thyroid hormone, it is converted from the inactive form T4. I have been ill for many years but I feel I am getting well very slowly. My advice to everyone is to eliminate as much of the halogen chemicals as you can from water, diet toothpaste and medications. Ph balancing has helped me tremendously. The most benefical exercise by far is just to walk and some mild stretching. whatever works for you. be diligent with your healing program and never give up.


Ph Balancing
Posted by Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 11/28/2007 392 posts

Patti: A malic acid, with some baking soda to reduce its acidity also helps the fibromyalgia in addition to the magnesium. However, the key issue of this condition I have found is the alkalinity as the most important factor.

Common remedies for antivirals I used is zinc acetate or zinc gluconate 50 mg, and sometimes the olive leaf extract. For antivirals to work best, the body must be alkalized first and no sugar as it would fuel the virus.

One extra tip from a fibromyalgia sufferer is 1/4 teaspoon of baking soda plus 3 drops of 3% H2O2 in one glass taken in the morning to help the energy level.


Borax
Posted by Kristy (Lansing, Michigan) on 11/22/2007
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Two of my kids have 'tried' to come down with colds during the last two weeks. When my son's hit, he was coughing so hard he was nearly vomiting. My daughter woke up coughing, a very sore throat and her voice was almost gone. Usually I have them do the inhaling of peroxide a few times a day and give them at least 1/4 cup of organic vinegar with 1/4 teaspoon of cayenne pepper, a little cinnamon and water each day. This time I added Borax water (1/8 teaspoon to 1 liter of water) to the mix-and their colds were gone in less than 12 hours. No one was more stunned than I was that it worked so fast! But I shouldn't have been surprised. I have had painful joints from fibromyalgia for years, but sometimes the pain in my right shoulder is almost unbearable (I'm right-handed). The last flare had been going on about 2 months and I was getting very little sleep, which was what spurred my finally giving in and trying the Borax. Within three days the severe pain was gone and I was back to just the normal pain! Now I just need to make myself drink it EVERY day and maybe all the pain will go away.

But, back to the original subject, everyone says there is no cure for the common cold. After what we saw earlier this month, I have to disagree!

Borax
Posted by Thebatman (Houston, Texas.us) on 04/12/2011

for one borax removes flouride from your body the same flouride that make your immune system weak


Borax
Posted by Sidney (Northland, New Zealand) on 09/26/2018

Hi Nick...Bunning has it called Glitz Green 1kg for $10.90: https://www.bunnings.com.au/glitz-green-1kg-borax_p4460527

Hope this helps..


Borax
Posted by Tinks (Christchurch, New Zealand) on 06/23/2012

I dont think fluoride is the sole contributor to fibromyalgia as the city I live in doesnt have fluoridated water and I have had fibro for years.Would be good if the cause was discovered though.


Borax
Posted by Joann (Mobile, Al) on 11/15/2015

Hi, I have fibro & rosacea. I have Pink Himalayan Sea Salt. Is that ok to use with the Borax?


Borax
Posted by Timh (Ky) on 11/17/2015 2042 posts

J: Use the Pink Himalayan Salt during cooking or over foods like usual, and use Borax therapeutically as suggested here on E.C.


General Feedback
Posted by Iris (Thorold, Canada) on 09/07/2007

FibroMyalgia - cause MYCOPLASMA: The Linking Pathogen in Neurosystemic Diseases Several strains of mycoplasma have been "engineered" to become more dangerous. They are now being blamed for AIDS, cancer, CFS, MS, CJD and other neurosystemic diseases.

Extracted from Nexus Magazine, Volume 8, Number 5 (August-September 2001) PO Box 30, Mapleton Qld 4560 Australia. [email protected] Telephone: +61 (0)7 5442 9280; Fax: +61 (0)7 5442 9381 From our web page at: www.nexusmagazine.com Researched by a Canadian and now being used in Gulf War Syndrome legal cases in the USA after government documentation "disappeared". Full references with the article.


ACV and Baking Soda
Posted by Mama To Many (Tennessee) on 10/25/2014

Dear Lou,

I had to smile. I think it tastes just like beer, too! Now I have not had a beer in decades but that is what I think when I have it. My husband says it does NOT taste like beer. :)

However it it does not give me a headache. Sorry it gave one to you.

Mama to Many~


ACV and Baking Soda
Posted by Kennywally (Midwest) on 08/20/2015 46 posts

That headache could be a herxheimer reaction, give it a week or so. kw


Oil Pulling
Posted by Tara (Melbourne, Australia) on 07/28/2007
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I began oil pulling 7 months ago and I suffered with chronic fatigue for 14 years. It cleared up that issue within a matter of days. I was confined to bed rest and had limited mobility but the oil pulling dramatically shifted things for me so much so I am now more fit and active and don't need to rest. I had been livimg this way for years and oil pulling gave me my life back. It also cleared up a skin problem I had when nothing else seemed to work. Recently, I came down with fibromyalgia and my doctor would not be prepared to treat me as it is not a "recognised illness". I was in chronic pain and was suicidal. I could barely move my tongue inside my mouth and could not walk. I was so ill, I had never experienced anything like the severity of this before. I kept oil pulling and changes occured incrementally every day until after a couple of weeks my health was back to normal. Oil pulling has changed my life and I would recommend it to anyone. It is a POWERFUL remedy.


General Feedback
Posted by Robert (Manchester, NH USA) on 07/25/2007

I have found that Jacob Teitelbaum's clinic for Fibromyalgia to be helpful. They are thorough in blood work, found a mycoplasma I was taking a prescribed drug for to be rid of, and also have recommended D-ribose, a long chain polylsaccharide that seems to help with fatigue and energy levels.


Linseed Oil, Tyrosine, Echinacea
Posted by Anonymous (Australia)
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Linseed oil (refrigerated), Tyrosine and Echinacea cures wrinkles, arthritis, varicose vein pain, Parkinson's Disease, fibromyalgia. 5 tablespoons Linseed oil and 2 echinacea tablets 3 times a day. Don't take calcium, evening primrose and glucosamine if you have any of the above conditions. Just try to eat less meat and plenty of fruit and vegetables. Fresh vege juice is very good also try 1 clove of fresh garlic a day. Tyrosine stops the shakes of Parkinson's very quickly. You will feel so much better.

Linseed Oil, Tyrosine, Echinacea
Posted by Kristy (Lansing, Michigan) on 05/08/2008

My family used to see a physician's assictant rather than a 'regular' doctor. She was very much into herbs and vitamins, and would tell us how to make things like our own echinacea tincture. She also told us that if we took echinacea on a daily basis, it would stop working for us after awhile. She said ten days on, ten days off was a good way to go.


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Sherrine (Valrico, Florida)
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I started taking two teaspoons of ACV three times a day only six days ago. I am taking it to ease the pain of fibromyalgia and my pain is getting less and less! I plan on continuing it but am having a hard time drinking it.

Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Jim (Madison, Wi) on 12/26/2009

To Sherrine in FL. I started drinking acv a year ago different ways and had a hard time with it but it was worth it to get rid of the inflamation in my low back. I suffer from spinal stenosis and scoliosis. The best way I have found to drink acv is to put about 1 or 2 ozs. in a glass of vegetable juice. It makes it easier to drink for me.

I am so very pleased to have been able to find this website. It has really helped me a great deal!


Apple Cider Vinegar
Posted by Triciarr (Tecumseh, Ontario) on 01/07/2010

I love this site too! I just found it. I was diagnosed with MS, chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia two summers ago. Yikes! I am treating my body with an all-natural approach. As I am sitting here, I am drinking my nightly apple cider vinegar tea (yeah, I know yummy eh). I will post all that I am doing one day but I just wanted to agree with the above-poster that this site is great! I can't wait to find out more good natural things to help myself.


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Vindita (Monmouth Junction, NJ)
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These are good tips on this page. Fibromyalgia seems to have a better response when alternative (more holistic) therapies are used and it takes time to "undo" the damage that has accumulated. My experience shows that by avoiding drugs, you can recover faster (and reverse fibromyalgia). Here's what I did:

I turned to yoga (very low impact, what seniors and bedridden people might do). With that circulation in the muscles improves and toxicity is also expelled. Diet is very important (avoid milk, sugars and refined products). I believe the candida diet helps to give your whole immune system a break so that it can heal naturally. Detoxification with herbs is also important to get rid of the toxins that have accumulated in the body (no side effects with these). If there is depression, add B vitamins to combat it and also read positive materials and keep in the company of positive and supportive people. Remember that thoughts are temporary and can change (do not give them importance as they will change eventually!) Be strong internally....you can reverse this condition. Do not underestimate the healing power of REST. The body lets you know when you need it (just listen!) High energy vitamins and supplementation of magnesium helped me as well. Acupuncture helps to get rid of pain and restore energy flow to help it get balanced (pick someone good!) Deal with your emotions and let go of whatever you are holding on to. Be good to yourself. Forgive yourself and others around you and see the power of healing (be receptive) change your condition. I was diagnosed almost two years ago, came off all medication within two months after beginning yoga. Turning to natural alternatives has improved/practically reversed this condition. I can now think about going back to work. Find a good naturopathic doctor who has worked with fibromyalgia.


Avoid Benadryl
Posted by Ruralady (Illinois) on 05/28/2025 133 posts

Once again, thank you for this but I'm going to try tDCS for sleep to see if it works. I use it for my fibromyalgia and it's taken away the pain and brain fog so maybe this will work too. Again, thanks!


Get Tested for H. Pylori
Posted by Teresa (Camden, South Carolina) on 07/22/2016

Does this help with the pain? And how do I get it?


Get Tested for H. Pylori
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 07/22/2016

Teresa, just hike up your bed at the headboard side, a couple of inches.


Get Tested for H. Pylori
Posted by Debra (Sydney, Australia) on 08/06/2016 63 posts

Teresa do you mean the Thunder God Vine? I got mine from an Ebay provider and bought the powder but I have to measure it daily so the capsules may be more convenient.

As for the Inclined Bed Therapy, I used 2 bricks under each leg at the top end of the bed.

Yes, reducing inflammation has really helped the pain subside significantly.


Get Tested for H. Pylori
Posted by Rucas (Sydney) on 01/07/2017

Hi Debra,

Read your post, I'm also in Sydney and would like to know where you purchased the thunder god vine, can't seem to find it anywhere in Sydney. Your help would be greatly appreciated.


Test for Ehler's Danlos Disease, Type III
Posted by Priscilla (Birmingham, Al) on 02/16/2016
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Hi. I'm new to Earth Clinic and think it's a great way to find information on Chronic Fatigue and other diseases.

I'm a 55 year old woman, with Fibromyalgia, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome; also multiple injuries (3 ruptures discs; ) history of endometriosis, etc. My medical history was long and extensive-including 8 surgeries; a visit to Mayo clinic, etc.

Eventually, I added an FMS specialist to my pain management physician, and PT. Interestingly enough, he found the cause of my CFS, FMS, etc. I have a genetic disease, Ehler's Danlos Disease, type III. This explained all my diagnoses. Then my rheumatologist suggested a clinical trial of Famciclovir 250 mg., three times a day.

By the way, my history includes Epstein Barr disease, several years before my symptoms started. The Famciclovir is supposed to bolster the immune system.

I was quite skeptical, but tried it. Three years late, I'm taking mostly Advil, instead of daily Rx pain meds. I use those only occasionally, now. Supplements helping include: Magnesium Malate; D3; and D-Ribose.

I am able to exercise now-without hat automatically throwing me into a flare. I haven't had a real flare in three years. Sleep better, less brain fog, also.

So, my comfort level is much better, and disability less. There is no genetic cure for EDS III at this time, but the : clinical trial; Advil (joint and back pain, ) and neuropathy meds. (Lyrics;) plus gentle PT have helped. My family has been supportive, as well as friends as church.

Overall, I'm much better compared to ten years ago. My FMS Rheumatologist (and the research) tell me that my disease is sometimes the cause of FMS and or CFS. Having the correct diagnosis is critical in determining treatment.

General information about EDSIII is available online. A Rheumatologist who specializes in FMS can make the diagnosis. He/she can then determine treatment, if you have it.

So, if there is a question that EDSIII might be the primary cause of CFS or FMS, I would strongly recommend seeing one. My life has improved a lot since I started seeing the rheumatologist, and continues to improve.


Infrared Sauna
Posted by 27julieh (Oc, California) on 10/01/2013

I am wondering about the benefits or dangers of Far Infrared Saunas, especially pertaining to fibromyalgia. Does it help muscle pain?

Infrared Sauna
Posted by Mike (Denver, Colorado) on 10/01/2013

Julieh: Please, I beg of you, do not spend your money on man made gizmos, gadgets, and thingamajigs. Trust in God's Goodies. Far infrared cures everybody of everything. Water from volcanoes and mountain springs emit far. Raw organic produce emits far. Ferments emit the most far. Cooked conventionally grown food does not emit far. This is why everybody is sick and suffering. Far infrared machines do not cure anybody of anything because they do not have any nutrients. Raw organic produce and ferments have both nutrients and emit far.


Infrared Sauna
Posted by Goldencat (Akron,oh) on 10/02/2013

Not dangerous unless you are very heat sensitive. It is a dry sauna. You must drink a lot of water before, during, after.

It's well thought of as a detox method. However, expensive to do at a doctor's office! ($70/session) If your holistic dr or naturopath is supervising, you're safe enough.

Do you know the causes behind the fibro? Did it start from a certain incident, creep up slowly, manifest after major family troubles?

Maybe other detox methods would be cheaper? Epsom and dead sea salt soaks... Skin brushing... See how you react to these, before something more dramatic. Do you know how your body reacts to a detox session - sick after it, or energized?

My dr suggested this as alternative to colonics, given my own issues.


Infrared Sauna
Posted by Lloyd (Charlotte, Nc) on 10/04/2013

To Prioris ...

About that Fibromyalgia and microbe connection; I have read the same thing a couple of times. Maybe a specialty virus like polio or ALS? Or is the mirobe a geeneral system wide infection that weakens the immune system either overloading antibodies or reducing their effectiveness? Would love to have more info on that Fibro-Microbe connect if you find anything.


Minocin, Bromelain
Posted by Prioris (Fl, US) on 08/21/2014

I need to add additional information to this post. Most generic minocycline won't work. Only a few generics work since they are made similar to original minocin. All minocyclines are not made with the same quality. Most are crap.

I would not initially use bromelain when using normal minocin dose since it may increase blood levels 5 or 6 times. It is just something to experiment with especially with crappy minocycline brands. Some people experience herx so could be too much for them.


Minocin, Bromelain
Posted by Mary (Yutan, Ne) on 12/21/2014

Can you please tell me how I can get minocin & bromelian


Minocin, Bromelain
Posted by Terri (Texas/usa) on 01/05/2015

How will I know to try Minocin if the pet store brand made your symptoms worse? What made you think to try the prescription route (other than mere desperation - I'm there myself)? Seems like I'd be afraid to try same med (generic or name brand) if it made my situation decline. Just a nervous question from someone thats had FMS for 28 years.


Minocin, Bromelain
Posted by Prioris (Fl, UA) on 01/05/2015

I can't find any pet brands so one needs to go to other sources. Just because one generic minocycline brand didn't work, doesn't mean another won't. One needs to experiment with different brands.

The biggest problem with getting the original minocin is cost. It cost a fortune. I think it is currently made by Valiant pharmaceutical. It could cost over $800 for just 60 tablets. If money is no object, I would get it. For most people it is too expensive..

There have been many positive reports on the ranbaxy and Teva monocycline.

Even though ranbaxy is a company from India, their US brand is manufactured in the US. It can be bought from walmart at low cost. With low cost medicare plan, I got a ranbaxy 60 100mg capsules prescription filled for $20. Whenever you fill a prescription from anyone, I would make sure they tell you who the manufacturer is because sometimes they will change suppliers.

You can get enteric bromelain from supplement place online. You need to get a prescription somehow; ask a local doctor. ask roadback.org website to see if doctors in your state or area.

for anyone with chronic disease, they need to look into minocin and the success it has had with many chronic diseases.


General Feedback
Posted by Asolara (Sarasota, Fl) on 01/30/2013

After reading through all these posts and hearing about the increase of FMS [Fibromyalgia Syndrome] in women and flouride being in many meds, I'm wondering if more women are suffering from FMS because they take/took birth control for many years. I took it for about 15 years. I thought I'd just throw that out there.

My massage therapist suggested I drink alkaline water so what I've read here seems to jive with that and now it all makes more sense. I'm concerned about trying the ACV because I have barrett's esophagus and am supposed to avoid acids... Then I read to add baking soda to change it from an acid to a salt... you all should be chemists.

This site is very interesting. I'm glad I ran across it while doing research for my stepmom who was just diagnosed with lung cancer.

Thanks for all the great info!


Mind Body Medicine
Posted by Bess (Calgary, Alberta, Canada) on 01/17/2013

Hi Anng from Hurst - Thanks for letting us know about the Sarno book and how much it's helping your mother. I have reserved one of his books at the library (The Divided Mind: The Epidemic of Mind-Body Disorders). You showed great insight in putting the pieces of the puzzle together for your parents. The best of health to you and yours! Bess


Mind Body Medicine
Posted by Mary (Buenos Aires) on 09/05/2013

Hi Anng, Have you looked into Niacin B3? I wish you the best with your parents. You are a wonderful daughter.


Colloidal Silver, L-Lysine
Posted by Chadi10 (UAE) on 09/12/2013

Can I just buy colloidal silver intead of making my own? What is a good brand?


General Feedback
Posted by Mr. Ree (Somewhere, USA) on 10/07/2012

Go to www.watercure2.org

It will cure you... AND it's for free.


General Feedback
Posted by Ed2010 (Oakville, Canada) on 10/07/2012

Hi Mary Margaret, sorry about your condition. Have you ever tried Tamarind Juice and Wheat Grass Juice. Tamarind Juice will remove the flouride poison and wheat grass juice will produce pure blood and this pure blood will rejuvenate the tissues and organs. replenish your bones. You have nothing to loose, just a simple Tamarind Juice at least to remove the poison.

Wheat grass juice is tough to make as we are heading to winter. But you can buy from dynamic greens, their quality is good. I used their wheat grass juice and it is nice.

Here are the foods and conditions to avoid strictly.

  • No Flouridated Toothpaste
  • No Flouridated Bottled Water
  • No Microwave Cooking
  • If possible you can change your place for 1 month where toxicated surroundings are less.

Here is my tamarind juice recipe link: https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/fluoride2.html#TAMARIND

You can continuously take it for 4 weeks daily then give a gap of 1 week and again continue for 2 weeks or So. There after weekly 3 times. Be informed, don't take more than 2 glass tamarind juice daily and don't take continuously for 2 months. I take Once in a week, to remove flouride poison as my city water is flouridated.

Try it, this may do wonders. Who knows sometimes a lifelond Chronic Disease can be cure by a Dollar value of food. Nature has its invincible power.

Good Luck


Juicing
Posted by Blanc (Bellevue, Wa, USA) on 08/17/2012

Just saw this interview of two people who run a health center. The lady said she used to suffer from IBS and fibromyalgia: http://renegadehealth.com/blog/healing-stories-from-hallelujah-acres

They run a website which offers free programs and support for a juicing diet. Some of you might be able to help yourself by following it: http://www.juiceupyourlife.com/support


Borax
Posted by Magdaleen (Secunda, South Africa) on 07/17/2012 4 posts

Can somebody please assist me, I have started using the borax 1/8 on a liter water per day, my body is aching more and I feel feverish, I suffer with fibromyalgia and neck and back problerms. Is this a die off symptom or do I have to worry about it. I only used it for 2 days now. Regards

Radiotronics
Posted by Beachguyjj (Placida, Fl., Usa) on 07/17/2012

I wanted to put this out there--I did not want to post it before running it by the site. By the way because of the site I am off lipitor now after 12 years.

FYI--my wife was diagonosed with fibromyalgia in 1997. We tried all the doctors, MRI etc. We have the best health insurance. Finally tried something called bio-puncture--injections of natural remedies directly into her back for pain. Worked slightly but it took me to find a master herbalist in Phila. Well long story short--he tested her blood with a radiotronics machine. She had traces of lupus, pagents disease, bursitus. He made a homeopath remedy for a two week period. After two weeks we went back and retested. He found another four things that were there also. Another two week remedy. Well--after a month her pain all but vanished. She has been on muscle relaxers and pain pills for years.

To top it all off I was told I had herpes in my twenties. I made him test me and was told I had bartholonis. It mimics herpes and he made me a remedy. I used to take everclr which was an immune booster and only had problems a couple of times a year. Well I stopped taking the herbs and no sign of the blisters. I thought I had herpes for thirty years and never had it.

Since there is nothing like this on here, I wanted to let you know. I tell everyone about the site. I believe this man is a miracle worker. I am taking my wife back again soon to be retested. How can something like this not be out there? You can check his site--at first I thought the testimonials were bogus--but not anymore. His site is earthmotherherbs.Org. By no means am I promoting it--from what he tells me very few people are trained in this radiotronics machine. What is earthclincs take on this? Of course I don`t want my name used in the herpes section but this was a miracle. Please reply with your thoughts.

Radiotronics
Posted by Laurie (Great Neck, Ny) on 07/30/2012

Can you please let us know the herbalists name in Phila.?


Radiotronics
Posted by Kim (Petaluma) on 08/17/2015

Hello, I was intrigued by your post. I will look into homeopathy for my Fibromyalgia and severe Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. I hope your wife is still doing well. I'm curious though - isn't Bartholinitis a condition that only effects women? Men don't get Bartholinitis.

Kim


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 10/25/2014

Om, what are "old aged grains"?


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Mmsg (Europe) on 10/26/2014

Oh, Om, so "aged" means "stored for some time", right?


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Om (Hope Bc Canada) on 10/26/2014

dear Mmsg (Europe)

Aged white rice is sold here but I am looking for Aged brown long grain rice. The term is " Aged".

Does this clear it?

Namaste, Om


Multiple Remedies
Posted by Mmsg (Europe) on 10/27/2014

Om, we don't have anything similar here. But wouldn't a grain, sitting a while in the closet or in the frig, be considered "aged"?


Eliminate Tap Water
Posted by Karina (Grand Junction, Co) on 02/25/2012
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I've been trying to find causes and links to my fibro for years. One thing I did discover was that when I drank tap water, my symptoms (pain) got much worse (I stopped drinking it - symptoms have gradually improved). Also taking certain drugs heightened symptoms. I will look into this further. Thanks!



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