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Posted by Jacqui (Devon, Uk) on 03/02/2016
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I got my Mule Team Borax from Ebay. It tastes a bit soapy, but I put into some Cherry cordial, and one teaspoon of the liquid concentrate really doesn't taste at all in that.
My fingers (RA) don't hurt at all today, and it's damp and cold here in the UK. Result!
Also, my kidney/bladder is not complaining at all today, either. (Healed UTI and suspected stone because of continuing trace blood in urine). Will test for blood at the end of the week.
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Posted by Larry (Mena, Arkansas) on 05/22/2016
The very first thing to do today and the rest of your life is to stop all ingestion of fluoride.
When your body has 2 parts per million fluoride, your white cell migration rate is "0" - (zero) - that means that your immune system is not active (not working)..
When you brush with fluoride toothpaste ===> you ingest 4 to 41/2 parts per million, your immune system has been compromised..
Larry.
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Posted by Marilyn (Qld) on 07/13/2014
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Following on from my comment. Just wanted to say that have found out I have psoriasis arthritis (even tho never had psoriasis) and have now started to see some results with the borax. A bony growth that had started on a knuckle has almost disappeared and the feeling that I had had in my fingers of the arthritis growing has diminished. Is anyone else out there with psoriasis arthritis in hands trying this with any results? The aches in my knee's which I have had since childhood have also disappeared. I will continue on with the borax.
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Posted by Michaelm (Colorado) on 12/08/2016
Borax dosages:
I am just getting started with borax and I am working on coming up with the best dosage for myself. I have noticed there seems to be two different dosage recommendations that people are working with:
Ted's recommendation:
1/8 to 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in a certain amount of water, usually one liter, and drink that entire amount of water in divided doses or sipped throughout the day.
In this scenario, you have ingested between 1/8 and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
So far it appears to me from looking at other people's posts, and not doing my own calculations from my own measurements, that 1/8 of a teaspoon of Borax has approximately 75 mg of boron and 1/4 teaspoon of Borax has approximately 150 mg of boron.
Or
1tsp/L borax water:
1 teaspoon of Borax powder dissolved in 1 L of water and then take 1 teaspoon of Borax water or more each day.
1 teaspoon of Borax powder contains approximately 600 mg of boron. Since there are 203 teaspoons in 1 L, this would mean that 1 teaspoon of this borax Water would contain 1/203 teaspoon of Borax powder and approximately 3 mg of boron.
In comparison, taking 1/8 teaspoon of borax powder per day is a:
25 times larger dose than taking 1 teaspoon of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,
12.5 times larger dose than taking 2 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water,
6.25 times larger dose than taking 3 teaspoons of the 1 teaspoon per liter borax water.
The above three numbers would be doubled if the comparison is with 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
I just recently learned that one medical doctor out there that is a big fan of iodine, also recommends patients with osteoporosis to take 150 mg of boron per day for a year before they taper off to a lower maintenance dose. Which of course would be equivalent to taking 1/4 teaspoon of Borax powder per day.
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Posted by Gregory (Brampton, Ontario, Canada) on 02/14/2012
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I am 54 years old and for the last few years, my knee joints have really been sore. I started to take 5000 IU's Vit D3 per day for the last year or so. That has helped a lot, but I still feel sore, especially in the morning. I also have psoriasis, so maybe the soreness in my joints is the psoriatic arthritus creeping in.
I thought, after reading about borax here on this forum, I would give it a try. In one day, the soreness in my knees has vanished! Maybe it is too early to make any assumptions... Can it be true?
Also, my psoriasis seems alot better after 2 days drinking 1/4 tsp borax in 1 litre of water per day. I guess it it still to early to tell.... but I am amazed so far!!
I shall keep everyone informed on my progress....
I love this forum.....
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Posted by Deirdre (VA) on 08/18/2023
Hi Tricia,
I slacked off on adding the trace mineral drops after a while, but here is the one I used: https://www.amazon.com/Trace-Minerals-Research-Concentrace-Mineral/dp/B005BP5UCM/
Thankfully, borax has continued to work incredibly well. I can still bend my thumbs without any issues. Two days ago, my previously bad thumb (the one that I couldn't bend over a year ago) was hit very hard during karate training and hurt like heck, but I went home and took a pinch of borax right away. Two days later, I can't tell it was hit. The soreness is completely gone. Amazing mineral!
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Posted by Rick D (Jacksonville Florida) on 02/19/2023
Maybe you aren't supposed to take it undiluted.
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Posted by Art (California) on 11/03/2021 2326 posts
Hi Cheryl,
I used oral prednisone while using borax very long term and did not have a problem, but we are all different and react differently.
Art
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Posted by Gracie (UK) on 04/16/2021
Surely, it should be 1/8 teaspoonful for a female, and 1/4 teaspoonful for a male, added to one litre of water.
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Posted by Jim H. (Keyport NJ) on 11/30/2019
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Borax: I've been taking about 1/4 teaspoon 2/3 week (3years) and it helped my clicking knees.. i found it best in a cup of tea with spoon full honey, you cannot taste it at all..
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Posted by Anon (Not Canada) on 10/25/2020
Scroll to the top of the page for more info:
Https://www.earthclinic.com/borax-remedy-for-arthritis.html#intro
"Earth Clinic's Ted recommends the following doses of borax: For Men: 1/4 teaspoon of borax dissolved in 1 liter of water, sipped throughout the day. This is taken 5 days on and 2 days off. For Women: 1/8 teaspoon of borax dissolved in 1 liter of water, sipped throughout the day. This is taken 5 days on and 2 days off. This is a general guideline. Larger women may benefit from a larger dose. Smaller men may benefit from a smaller dose. The elderly may do best with half of the recommended dose."
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Posted by Ailora (Ohio) on 08/07/2018
You were experiencing the Herxheimer response. It sounds exactly like the 'flu like symptoms' you had. Herxheimer is when your body is healing and sloughing off toxins that have built up in your system over a long period of time. You must power through this and healing is on the other side. By stopping the borax and intervening with allopathic medicine, you most likely hindered your ability to recover. I wonder if it'll still happen for you but only take a lot longer now...
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Posted by Art (California ) on 02/13/2016 2326 posts
Julieh12,
Here is an interesting abstract about the value of boron, a major component of borax, in human health.
Art
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26770156
Nothing Boring About Boron.
Pizzorno L1.
Author information
1is a senior medical editor at Integrative Medicine Advisors, LLC, in Seattle, Washington.
Abstract
The trace mineral boron is a micronutrient with diverse and vitally important roles in metabolism that render it necessary for plant, animal, and human health, and as recent research suggests, possibly for the evolution of life on Earth. As the current article shows, boron has been proven to be an important trace mineral because it (1) is essential for the growth and maintenance of bone; (2) greatly improves wound healing; (3) beneficially impacts the body's use of estrogen, testosterone, and vitamin D; (4) boosts magnesium absorption; (5) reduces levels of inflammatory biomarkers, such as high-sensitivity C-reactive protein (hs-CRP) and tumor necrosis factor α (TNF-α); (6) raises levels of antioxidant enzymes, such as superoxide dismutase (SOD), catalase, and glutathione peroxidase; (7) protects against pesticide-induced oxidative stress and heavy-metal toxicity; (8) improves the brains electrical activity, cognitive performance, and short-term memory for elders; (9) influences the formation and activity of key biomolecules, such as S-adenosyl methionine (SAM-e) and nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD(+)); (10) has demonstrated preventive and therapeutic effects in a number of cancers, such as prostate, cervical, and lung cancers, and multiple and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma; and (11) may help ameliorate the adverse effects of traditional chemotherapeutic agents. In none of the numerous studies conducted to date, however, do boron's beneficial effects appear at intakes > 3 mg/d. No estimated average requirements (EARs) or dietary reference intakes (DRIs) have been set forboron-only an upper intake level (UL) of 20 mg/d for individuals aged ≥ 18 y. The absence of studies showing harm in conjunction with the substantial number of articles showing benefits support the consideration of boron supplementation of 3 mg/d for any individual who is consuming a diet lacking in fruits and vegetables or who is at risk for or has osteopenia; osteoporosis; osteoarthritis (OA); or breast, prostate, or lung cancer.
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Posted by Pip (Australia, Victoria) on 02/19/2016
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Hi all, Borax rocks....of the laundry shelf, in the supermarket. I sprinkle it on like table salt, on my breakfast, and a little sugar ( its breakfast you know )...its through you by seven hours, but for me once a day is enough. Its fantastic, it like lubricates my joints, eliminates pain, and sparks me up.
Me - 61yrs, Rhm/A, Ost/A, require a knee opp, but planning not to for go it, so little pain, am thinking I may reduce all the medications, soon, been taking it over a year and a half, into my second jar of Borax.
Some of you are a little pedantic on consumption. Over use will cause nausea and diarrhea, just like to much table salt. So try and see what works for you. The rest of my diet stayed the same. No harm in trying this ...Borax.
Better health to you all. Pip
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Posted by Connie (Minnesota) on 09/18/2023
In your 1st paragraph you say '...in a capsule'. Why not try like Ted prescribes 1/8 tsp dissolve in 1 liter water which is an ounce more than a quart I believe. Anyway, drink thru out the day & after that just drink regular water. It doesn't taste great but better than drugs they prescribe for Arthur, Haha
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Posted by Michelle (Crosby, tx) on 10/17/2023
Join Diatomaceous Earth, and Human Parasite Support groups on Facebook. Borax and DE are known parasite killers and these groups are very informative. It sounds like this could've been the cause of your reaction. You can start taking a binder like activated charcoal to help prevent and eliminate side effects of the chemicals that parasites release when they die.
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Posted by Jacqueline (Uk) on 02/10/2024
I have only just seen your post about feeling worse on Borax I think your symptoms are a detox reaction. I also use borax and drink a lot of vitamin c water, Barley green juice every day to help with this I also drink 6 to 8 large glasses of filtered water a day This will help your body to release the toxins.
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Posted by Ines (Buenos Aires) on 04/08/2024
Pam, first of all, I like to recommend never to fear anything. Trust GOD and be free of that feeling that can only make things worse for you. Second, I believe that your body needs more time to take use to this wonderful medicine. My recommendation is that you take it for three days straight, and stop for taking it for too. Then three days again, and stop another too. Do this for a couple of months and see how your body reacts. After a while, you might want to take it for four days and two days break, then 6 days and two days break and so on until your body absorbs it without causing any side effects.
GOD BLESS!
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Posted by Marian (TAS) on 05/14/2024
This is a bit late, but I noticed you said you were taking your borax in a daily capsule. If it was dispersed in water and sipped over a longer period of time during the day, it may not have the unwanted effects.
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Posted by Art (California) on 01/17/2024 2326 posts
Hi Pamela,
The sister of my friend came back for a visit around Thanksgiving and she told me that she is pain free now from the arthritis that she felt would keep her from ever visiting her sister again. She told me she is continuing to take her borax water for the other benefits that it has shown in other people.
As to her sister, my friend, she won't know anything until this coming summer at the earliest when her doctor may likely test her to see if her osteoporosis has improved or not. Her doctor is still nagging her to take the self injections, but she has told her doctor, the only way she will take the injections is if she can stop by the doctor's office and have a nurse do the injections for her. Her doctor flatly told her no!
Art
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Posted by Josephine (Bc Canada ) on 02/11/2023
Lugols iodine
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Posted by Caroline (Port Richey, Fl) on 06/29/2023
My knee and hip arthritis went away by taking all processed foods out of my diet.
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Posted by Krysia (IL) on 12/16/2022
That's great. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted by Wendy (Dublin, OH) on 07/14/2022 25 posts
This is a question for Art.
Background: I've been diagnosed with osteopenia, & some age-related osteoarthritis, and am mostly non-symptomatic especially when I'm consistent in completely avoiding sugar, dairy, and "bad" carbs! I'm 67 and a post-kidney transplant patient. This was a pre-emptive transplant back in 2016 meaning I never had to go on dialysis. My sister donated one of her kidneys. I'm in generally very good health, and per my last yearly follow-up appt with my transplant coordinator, my blood work (kidney function, etc.) has been excellent over these past 6 years. She also stated that since I'm a perfect match with my sister (based on certain markers), I virtually would never run the risk of rejecting the new kidney, and thus slightly decreased my immunosuppressant doses.
My question: In your opinion, would it be "safe" for me to follow this Borax protocol for women? This would be the 1/8 tspn of Borax per liter of water sipped throughout the day for the recommended amount of days.
Of course I would check with my transplant coordinator first, as I've always done when wanting to take a new supplement.
Thanks for all your input to EC!
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Posted by Yad (Sunny Somewhere) on 11/30/2022 15 posts
I use charcoal made from organic bamboo from https://healthfoodthailand.com/en/charcoal-powder-bamboo-100-gram.html
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Posted by Art (California) on 06/08/2022 2326 posts
Renee,
I'm glad your arthritis is continuing to improve with your regular use of borax! Clearly your pain levels have declined significantly! It is the simplest, least expensive and easy to take remedy for different types of arthritis. I am also glad that you are one of the lucky ones who can tolerate borax!
Your results seem similar to mine where I just got steady improvement until all symptoms were just gone.
How long have you been on the 1/8th teaspoon dose?
Three to four months is supposedly when you have reached the maximum improvement that borax seems to offer.
Art
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Posted by Renee (Boston) on 06/29/2022 41 posts
I don't heat mine to dissolve it because I'm putting mine in coffee. I only put it in cold water one time and I believe it dissolved ok. It was such a tiny amount and I had lemon in it so it was hard to see in a colored plastic pool cup. I heated it to dissolve it in large amounts to use topical but have since stopped using it topically because I didn't see any added benefits after 2 or 3 weeks of use. I may try it again at some point. I also did a bath with it and baking soda, my skin dried to a crisp. I may have overdone it though, 3 nights in a row! It cleaned my bathtub jets though!
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Posted by Renee (Boston) on 07/05/2022 41 posts
I quit using the DMSO because I didn't think it was doing anything. I only used it externally. I might go back to it and try again because on my 'off' days of borax my inflammation comes back! I only know it works for arthritis, not sure about other ailments.
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Posted by Deirdre (NC) on 10/25/2022
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Posted by Mila (Ontario) on 12/16/2021
I am quite confused with the dosage- I am taking 1 tbsp a day from mix of 1/8 tsp if borax in 1 l of distilled water - some sites suggest to drink that 1 litre if the mix of borax a day - please advise 🙏👍
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Posted by CJG (Ohio) on 11/21/2021
I had very bad bursitis in my shoulder. I used a solution of borax and water (1 tsp / 1 liter) and soaked a cotton cloth and applied it to my shoulder several times a day.
I was hesitant to drink the solution, so decided applying it topically would be OK (not sure why I thought that, the skin is a huge organ which absorbs all kinds of things, including Epsom salts and baking soda in a bath) The application at room temperature felt so good and relieving. After about a week, the swelling in my shoulder had diminished and pain was greatly relieved. I kept it up for weeks, and the bursitis went away. My orthopedist wanted to inject cortisone. I said I would consider it if taking glucosamine and condroitin didn't help and that I would let him know. He actually told me that some of his patients had good results from quitting dairy consumption since dairy is an inflammatory...so I did that, also.
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Posted by Lilikoi (Pahoa, Hawaii) on 12/28/2019
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Borax works for me too for arthritis in a few of my fingers that were injured a few years ago. I just use a good pinch in my drinking water for the day. If I forget and skip for a few days they hurt again. When I take it the pain stops. Perhaps I should take more to keep my fingers in better shape!
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Posted by Charity (Faithville, Us) on 01/08/2018
When I first started my borax foot soaks I had amazing results with lots of discomfort and my friend tried it and got flu like symptoms from detox. She did too much too soon. I told her use oscillococcinum for flu symptoms and she got relief.
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Posted by Hisjewel (America, New York) on 02/02/2017
Hi Jua,
Please let me butt in. I'm always watchful of things that make me sleepy, because my assignment calls for me to be alert. if you take a look in the EC insomnia section, which makes suggestions of what you can take to help you to sleep, you will find Borax, Sea Salt and Lemon listed there. And yes I find that Borax gives me a good nights sleep, but Sea Salt even more so. So if I have in All Night Prayer or Shut in coming up, these are listed with the early supplements I stop taking.
HisJewel
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Posted by Patricia (Downsville) on 07/04/2016 42 posts
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I somehow got to the information on this site about borax and was fascinated by the testimonials. I was wondering why the people stopped posting to it. It has been a over a year. Do you think it's because it really doesn't work to cure arthritis as Walter Last says it does?
I have been taking it since June 20 and I am still alive. Amazing. I am taking Mr. Last's recommendation 1 level tsp in a liter of water as my base solution. I started with 1 tsp of this solution 3 times a day for me and 1/4 tsp for my under 10 pound cat. Was it Rex Newman who took 30 milligrams of borax twice a day because he figured out that 30 grams was toxic. This gave him 6 mgs of boron per day which eventually cured his arthritis. I hope I have this info correct.
I must say I was fearful to take something that says not to take it internally. I was still alive (not sick) after a week so I decided to take two three times a day. Now I am up to three three times a day and guess what I am still alive and so is my cat.
My neck was unable to turn very far right or left because it was stiff. The amount of turn has increased enough to say that something is happening.
I am trying to figure out how to ingest 30mgs of borax a day into my body so I can get 6 mgs of boron a day. Does anyone know how to compute it?
EC: Dear Patricia,
We get borax feedback regularly on EC. Please make sure to read our borax page for the most recent reviews.
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Posted by Julieh12 (Scotland ) on 02/09/2016
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Hello, I have been supplementing with borax for five days. I have followed Ted's guidelines on 1/8 of a teaspoon in litre of water and drink further bottled water throughout the day. I am also taking 200mg magnesium, vit b, vitd, vit c, evening primrose, and fish oil.
I have osteopenia brought on by early menopause, I'm currently post menopausal, I'm 45. I also have some arthritis in my fingers and toes. The arthritis is my main reason for supplementing as I'm a seamstress and will need to work well to my retirement. The first day I'm sure felt some relief but things seem to have slowed down. Although. Have no pain I still have bumps and stiffness.
I have also had some diarrhoea the past two days but this could be my ibs. I just wanted to ask everyone's experience with time scales and if the diarrhoea will pass. I'm still using fluoride toothpaste as non fluoride is so expensive, however I do have plenty of coconut oil and bicarb. Any advice please. Thank you.
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Posted by Timh (Ky) on 02/14/2016 2048 posts
Thanks Art, more good info on Boron.
From a lay perspective, I would venture to guess that of all the benefits listed for Boron is not simply something magical about the mineral except that it is an alkalizer. Many of the conditions listed are in conjunction with acidosis, although Boron has it's specific healing qualities.
A very warm Epsom Salts & Borax bath once a month would sure to right the ship for many folks.
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Posted by Doug (4870) on 11/16/2015
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G'day Russel from Oz,
I have been using Turkish Borax in my diet and home for a couple of years with arthritis and osteoarthritis and am very pleased with the results, severe pain has subsided to occasional negligible and generally bearable.
Your question regarded mixing it with water ... I began with a 1/4 teaspoon orally, twice a day washed down with lemon water and as I began to go through the healing process, I gradually weaned myself to, currently, using it as you would use salt.
That is to say, anything that I cook with salt, I add as much Borax as salt. When I bake my bread, I add as much Borax as salt. I brush my teeth with virgin coconut oil, Borax and hydrogen peroxide.
I live in the northern tropical zone of Oz and to keep the ants, cockroaches etcetera at bay I use honey, Borax and some warm water to blend them .
Russell, you are only limited by your own imagination, do your research and be thorough.
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Posted by Normal Winter (Alberta, Canada) on 03/06/2024
Borax for arthritis:
I have been taking about 1/16 tsp of borax, Celtic salt and baking soda for about 2 weeks. Today I woke up with very sore thigh muscles. Would this be a side effect of the borax? Otherwise I feel great. I may not be drinking enough water. I should add that I am 83 years old.
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Posted by RSW (OH) on 01/18/2024
I woke up with body-wide rheumatitis a few years ago, and we have had a reverse osmosis drinking water system in our house for a decade, or longer. The only water we drink is RO water, although the water in our showers and baths is not RO water. I have no idea why I got this, but I don't think it is because of our drinking water.
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Posted by Petter (chicago) on 01/18/2024
Attn: ART
Art, what is your opinion taking Borax with coffee versus thru out the day? Does your body able to benefit 1/8 tsp all at one time? Is is very convenient.
I put 1/8th teaspoon
borax in my coffee at least 5 times a week.
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Posted by Daniel G. (CALIFORNIA ) on 02/05/2024
THANKYOU I just started using this stuff and it has been a couple days and already noticed it is helping me.
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Posted by Bea (Calgary) on 08/28/2023
Hi! How did you use it on your hair?
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Posted by Deirdre (Earth Clinic) on 08/28/2023
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Posted by Isabel (AZ) on 08/29/2023
Hi Pam. I read that taking Borax in a capsule is hard on your kidneys and should be taken dissolved in water.
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Posted by Rita.Brightly (California) on 08/30/2023
Maybe topical would be better? I saw the recipe where borax is mixed with water, kept in a bottle. You apply it where sore. Dry it a little, then apply DMSO over it.
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Posted by Brad (California) on 09/07/2023
You are obviously taking too much. I am no expert but if I was you, I would try half the dose and see how that goes. You have already probably figured that out. Good luck.
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Posted by Mark (NC) on 09/20/2023
Do not take borax at bedtime on an empty stomach! Take right after breakfast with food, preferably with some carbs. If 1/4 teaspoon in a liter of water a day bothers you start with a smaller amount 1/16 teaspoon or less and work the dosage up to 1/4. Still some people may not be able to tolerate any borax.
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Posted by Kimberly (Michigan) on 09/22/2023
If you cannot tolerate Borax go to your local health food store & purchase Boron, 3mg capsules, works very well for my arthritis pain.
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Posted by Jace (Sedona, Arizona) on 10/22/2023
1/8 of an teaspoon of borax is a huge amount! Now you may get away with that and I see that formula on the internet consistently. 1/8 of a teaspoon for females, daily, in a liter of water, sipped throughout the day. A quarter teaspoon for males. But the original formula, is quite different and vastly and significantly lower in dosage, than this new formula! The original formula by the man who pioneered it, was to take one rounded teaspoon of Borax and put it in one liter of water. Then start out slowly with one teaspoon, of this solution, that you just made in a 1 liter bottle (1 Liter, for all of us Americans, is about four and a quarter cups of water) And mix it with your favorite juice or drink it straight and chase it with something. Do that once in the morning with a meal or drink and if that doesn't upset your stomach do it again in the evening. For aggravated conditions of disease, like arthritis, do this three times a day. Using that original formula, you can see where the math wouldn't add up, if you were to take anywhere from 1/8 reason, to a 1/4 of a teaspoon, per day or twice a day!
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Posted by Polly (Nashville TN) on 04/26/2024
Don't know if u'll see this- urs is an old post. Possible reason for your reactions: If you used Borax from the grocery store, it could have contaminants/dirt because it's not food grade. Because it's sold as a laundry booster, sanitary conditions aren't very scrutinized. You could try a food grade brand like: Https://pforlife.com/borax-pure-usp-nf-sodium-borate-10-mol-mineral-powder.html Good luck!! God Bless! PB
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Posted by antoine (london) on 08/20/2023
Hi Deirdre,
Obviously the borax you use works. Would you be kind enough to post the link from where you bought the borax?
I believe that the source of borax matter and the people who report that it does not work for them have a low quality borax source.
Thank you
EC: Hi Antoine,
I use 20 Mule Team borax found in the laundry section of a local grocery store. Not available in the UK unless you import it from eBay.
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Posted by Carol (Dewey AZ) on 12/14/2022
Is Borax and DE safe to take if I have a joint replacement? Thank you.
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Posted by Sam (Miami ) on 04/04/2023
Your body could be intentionally lowering your iron. Don't mess with it without knowing more. Find the Anemia of chronic disease article.
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Posted by Prioris (ME) on 07/18/2023
recommended dose is
1/8 tsp for women
1/4 tsp for men
it is synergistic with magnesium
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Posted by Kathleen (Orange County, ca) on 11/26/2022
What is the strength of the charcoal and do u recommend a brand?
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Posted by Kiara (Vancouver) on 11/10/2022
Hi Claudio,
Did you try it? How is it working? Thanks!
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Posted by Renee (Boston) on 05/25/2022 41 posts
I took 3 days off from internal Borax like you said and by day 4, today, I had a little more inflammation even though I took Borax today, hoping tomorrow is better.
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Posted by Renee (Boston) on 06/08/2022 41 posts
This is hard for me since my mother had SEVERE osteoporosis and I was diagnosed with osteopenia several years ago: "The factor that helps their growth are high free metal iron, lack of boron, high sugar, high calcium which protects the colonies." I NEED to take calcium. Do you have any advice?
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Posted by Renee (Boston) on 06/08/2022 41 posts
UPDATE
I decided to go with the 2 straight weeks approach. So far I only had to take 5mg prednisone 2 times in 2 weeks, once for the chronic hives I get and one time for inflammation in my arthritis. Other than that I feel relatively great considering I take no medication or NSAIDS. I still have a little inflammation in my elbow, my wrist and a few fingers but it's not painful, just visibly noticeable. Today and tomorrow I will take 2 days off and try the 5 days on approach since I seem to tolerate the borax so well. I don't have any ill side effects from it at all. I have a bottle of hydroxychloroquine sitting on my desk waiting for me to begin taking it. As long as the borax continues to help me I will not take that medication but I'm glad I have it as a backup in case I stop having success with home remedies. That and my few prednisone are sort of my emergency stash that just gives me comfort knowing I have it. I still haven't made an eye appointment that is required to take the HC because I have faith that I will not need it. Some people I tell what I am doing think I'm out of my mind but others keep their mouths shut because they know I research practically everything and that I hate big Pharma and most doctors. I constantly make fun of every commercial pushing drugs that cause worse conditions than what you have. The only reason I accepted the HC is because I felt that would be the safest of all of the RA drugs if I had no other choice. Another Update on DMSO: I have been putting it on specific areas every night for about 2 weeks. I don't know if it's helping or not but will continue to use it until it's gone, then I will re-evaluate. Another update on taking a bath with Borax, Epsom salts and Baking Soda: My skin got extremely DRY. I tend to overdo things and I took this bath 3 nights in a row. My skin got real flakey! On the upside, the jets in my tub got real clean, lol. I stopped this bath because I don't think it helped any more than just a bath with Epsom salts. My skin is much happier.
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Posted by Robert S. (USA) on 06/22/2022
Yes, the idea is to get a constant amount in the bloodstream to get it into the cells consistently instead of ups & downs. If you know the half life of borax in the body, you can adjust it more precisely.
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Posted by Bodulica (Barrie, Canada) on 06/23/2022
What form of borax do you use? No one is explaining it. The one used in laundry?
Thanks
EC: Yes. People are almost always referring to Twenty Mule Team Borax.
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Posted by LakeLady (Boston) on 07/06/2022
Thanks for your reply Renee!
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Posted by Pam (New Zealand) on 04/01/2023
We are banned from buying DMSO here in so-called democratic, free New Zealand.
Vets can use it and you can buy that quality for your farm animals or race horses.
BUT people NO.
Not even if it is just an ingredient in the product as on Amazon.
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Posted by Art (California) on 04/01/2023 2326 posts
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Posted by ORH (TEN MILE , TN) on 08/29/2021
ROSIE, ORH here, and have told this story a jillion times about an ozone shot 14 years ago avoided having to replace my right knee. I do have to go get a shot every 3 or 4 years and it is now time again. I have known folks that had knee replacements and still had the pain and got the ozone shot and were pain free. You need to go into the archives of EC because too much borax can be toxic and you way off base. ===ORH===
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Posted by Michael (New Zealand) on 11/12/2021
I know Boron is strongly recommended for Arthritis but even so, that seems like a remarkably quick cure!
Normally, arthritics spend years searching for just a little relief, never mind such a rapid recovery.
Are you sure it was Arthritis you experienced?
I like the idea of a few drops placed under the tongue: that is the way in which Homeopathic remedies are supposed to be rapidly absorbed, so good for you for going down that track.
I would love to know for how long you took the treatment before you experienced relief in your fingers?
Also, how many seconds did you keep the drops there before swallowing: that might be significant.
That would be useful information to learn from you.
Cheers from Down Under
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Posted by LakeLady (Boston) on 07/06/2022
Thanks for your input BevilNC! I broke my back 12 years ago and wonder if I now have arthritis or calcification; seems likely, given my age now (54). I just started using borax externally about 4 nights ago; so far I notice a little improvement in terms of less stiffness and ache. I might try taking it (20 Mule Team) internally now, after reading all these posts.
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Posted by Louis (Pittsburgh, Pa) on 03/13/2021
May I please ask, when you say a little pinch in your Coffee are you using the 1/4 teaspoon like it says for a whole liter of water? Have you had any side effects at all?
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Posted by Charity (Faithville, Us) on 06/06/2020
Remember while you are using borax or boron that it is ONE of your minerals and you need to keep them in balance or your body will produce histamine and you will have histamine symptoms until you get those minerals back into balance with water. Borax removes calcium out of soft tissue and let loose stones into organs . Chanca Piedra is nicknamed stonebreaker.
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Posted by Art (California ) on 02/10/2016 2326 posts
Julieh12,
Borax works very well for me, but it takes time to achieve the full benefit (months).
As far as I can tell, Dr. Rex Newnham populararized the use of borax decades ago to treat different types of arthritis and one of the things he found out through his experiments is that it can take 3 to 4 months to get the maximum benefit from borax for arthritis, especially if you are older and/or have had arthritis for quite awhile or it is severe.
Dr. Newnham also used boron effectively at far lower doses than Ted suggested as beneficial. If I remember correctly, Ted said that the lower doses would work also, but it would just take longer to get the maximum benefit. I used Ted's dosing to good effect.
Magnesium can contribute to diarrhea, so if that is a new addition to your supplements, you could dial it back a little until your body adjusts to it.
Art
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Posted by Tina (Victoria ) on 06/18/2017
Your coconut oil and bicarb on its own is a great​ fluoride free toothpaste, also sodium bentonite clay, turmeric​, ground cloves, real salt, colloidal silver and essential oils for palatability
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Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 08/21/2013 2048 posts
@Starswalker: The symptoms you report are classic detox and die-off reactions. The Borax is removing the Fluorides and other heavy metals as well as killing pathogens. All this stuff courses through the circulatory system (which puts stress on the heart). To support the heart supplement Magnesium, CoQ10, and Carnitine. To help the liver detox the bad stuff being mobilized by the Borax, supplement 1grm NAC before a meal and take 3mg Melatonin before retiring. These two nutrients will dramatically increase you antioxidant levels which should reduce the shock your body is experiencing.
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Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 02/09/2014
Boron itself generally will not kill the arthritis infection. It needs borax to kill the infection. Data seems to indicate that boron can be preventative once the infection is gone.
You didn't specify how long you took the borax for. Your post seems to indicate only 3 days or maybe 3 months. At proper dose, the cure usually takes 3 weeks. Around what age are you and what other things are you taking.
This kind of gets neglected in borax posts but without enough magnesium in the body, it may cause the borax protocol to not work. Ted has even said that. Also borax does chelate some minerals out of the body also. So take some magnesium (magnesium glycinate is good choice) with it if you aren't taking any.
Given RA effects fingers, that would be a preferable place to have side effect because it would indicate to me that some type of herxheimer reaction is occurring and borax is attempting to fight infection.Maybe your lacking another nutrient or maybe some toxin is blocking it. Ut takes self detective work.
I think Timh posts had good ideas about detoxing body. It is good you reported the side effect here for other people. You really need to stay with it and try to figure it out by continue to experiment. Don't give up.
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Posted by Bill (San Fernando, Philippines) on 05/26/2015
Hi Brian...
1/4 tspn borax with water 2 or 3 times a day is way too high a dose and not what is recommended on this site.
Ted's Borax remedy is 1/4 tspn in a liter of water per day. Drink this liter of water slowly throughout the whole day. Do not drink it all down in one go.
Some more information for you on borax on my google doc here and on Earth Clinic here.
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Posted by Dawna (Colorado) on 08/03/2015
For those of you living in Europe and have joint pain - I have a suggestion.... Novartis sells Voltaflex, it's a pure glucosamine, it works. My husband's knees were so bad he needed surgery, one week on voltaflex and he is fine, I also had bad knees, not like his, but I started taking it.... We've been taking it for 7 years now. We've told many people about it and it has worked for all of them.
I've tried several glucosamine brands in the USA without any relief at all. I buy Voltaflex at the Zurich train station pharmacy, it's over the counter, costs about 12. dollars per month.
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Posted by Daniel (California, Usa) on 05/13/2016
BRIAN; I read your comments and clearly your symptoms are detox pains-- as you continue taking borax the borax is flushing out the toxins and your symptoms are detox pains. Just stop using the borax for a few days let your body flush out the toxins and when the detox pain subsides then resume the borax--and---just cut your borax consumption in half. Just let the borax do its healing slowly and let your body flush out the toxins....do it slowly so you have less detox pain just give yourself plenty of time--- set a 6 month plan in motion and be sure to just cut the dosage in half --if the detox pain returns--- that's just the toxin flush out---and it will get easier as most toxins get flushed out.
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Posted by Wayfinder (Modesto, Ca/ Usa) on 10/22/2012
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Posted by virginia (Windcrest Tx) on 09/01/2024
RO water is usually PH. 4 which is acid. Water should be Ph 7 or higher for health benefits.
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Posted by Jayna D. (Orange County, CA) on 09/26/2023
I take boron because it is great for our bones and rids body of radiation. Swanson Vitamins has reasonable capsules.
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Posted by Dianne (Manitoba Canada) on 05/21/2024
Hi Pam, so happy to hear of your success. My suggestion would be to add it to 4+ cups of water and sip on it during the day. The body does all its repairing and night and the Borax may be interfering. Follow what they suggest 7 days on 2 days off. Sending you love and light.
Dianne.
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Posted by Kathy (Dewey, AZ) on 04/01/2023
Green drinks are good for you but not every day. A couple of times a week tops. It's very chelating. It's probably pulling out her nutrients.
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Posted by Kev (Australia ) on 08/28/2023
Hi ... can I assume the same result would be achieved by using a Boron supplement?
Can I also assume the driver to use Borax is the primary costs?
Borax is Boron (12% ) + sodium + oxygen, how do you compensate for the sodium? I'm thinking it would make my lower legs hold fluid ...
Thank you and sorry in advance for stupid questions ..
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Posted by Renee (Boston) on 06/09/2022 41 posts
I started with just a pinch a day on May 10th but got nervous and bought Boron supplements. Started 6mg Born supplements on May 15th. When that didn't help I went to 1/8th Borax on May 18th, 4 days on 3 days off. After reading about your friend who took it 2 straight weeks I started that on May 25th to yesterday, June 8th. So even though I started May 10th it wasn't a consistent amount. Today I'm feeling a lot of inflammation in my hand for some reason. The only thing I did different was eat some ice cream the other night. I wonder if that contributed. The other thing is I find it easier to measure 1/8th and put half in my coffee in the AM and the other half later in the day. Is there a reason it's supposed to be sipped thruout the day? Is it more effective that way or less side effects for some?
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Posted by Renee (Boston) on 06/23/2022 41 posts
I'm using the one recommended on this site by others.
20 mule team borax
I bought boron supplements just in case, 3mg on Amazon, but I'm sticking with the laundry soap because it works.
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Posted by Gail (Ohio ) on 06/28/2022
Is it ok to continue heating the mixture each day to dissolve the borax? The jar I use cools off over night.
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Posted by LakeLady (Massachusetts) on 07/02/2022
So interesting! I might try it. How can you be sure it's the Borax doing the trick, not the DMSO? (I have used DMSO occasionally).
I also wonder if Borax would help for muscle tension (my back pain is a combination of muscle tension and chronic soreness from a burst fracture of L-1 12 years ago). Not sure if I technically have arthritis.
Thanks.
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Posted by Kathy (NC) on 10/23/2022
Hey which DMSO did you buy? Can you specify? There are so many, very anxious to use this remedy for me and my husband. Also do you do the lotion recipe that was referenced?
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Posted by Jim (Fort Smith ) on 02/24/2023
Thanks for sharing. How long is the solution in the bottle good for?
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Posted by Liz (Alberta) on 04/05/2023
Art,
Thank you for your quick response. Unfortunately, StopPain is out of stock at Amazon US and went online to Amazon in Canada, out of stock and have no indication when product will arrive. They don't carry it in Walmart.ca. I will keep looking for it online.
I have read all your posts on this site and feel that you are quite knowledgeable. I'm wondering why I reacted to the borax externally when I have been drinking it and quite often bathing with it with Epsom
salts for the past year without any effects.
I'm not taking any drugs to dull the pain. Today used Aloe vera plant gel and rubbed into pain spots. Helped for 1/2 hour. Going to see Dr. tomorrow for what other tests to see what's going on with my right side. And buy caster oil and use that combination with DSMO and see if it helps. Thanks for all your help.
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Posted by hands and wrists (Joshua Tree, CA) on 05/07/2022
1 ml = 20 drops, so 100 ml = 2000 drops For 1 drop to equal 6 mg of Boron, 2000 drops must have 12000 mg of Boron or 1.2g. But Borax is not pure Boron. 25 to 30 mg of Borax contains 3 mg of Boron.
To make the calculation simpler I will choose 30 mg. That means 1 mg of Boron is contained in 10 mg of Borax. We need 1.2 g of Boron, which is in 12 g of Borax. You need 12g of Borax per 100 ml of water. I'm not sure that much Borax will dissolve in that much water. If not, add another 100 ml of water. Then you will have to use 2 drops to get your 6 mg of Boron.
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Posted by Boaz93 (Pa) on 11/05/2021
Definitely 1/8 tsp to 1/4 tsp of Borax in 1 litre water bottle. Spread it out during the day. OR... One and a half Tsp of Borax in one litre of water in which you take 1-2 tbsp per day of the stronger solution.
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Posted by Rakaia (Perth Australia) on 02/17/2022
Hi Mike, how long have you been taking the Borax and how soon did you notice an improvement? I have osteoarthritis in my hips along with tears in my tendons and ligaments. Anything you have noticed I would appreciate hearing about.🌸😬
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Posted by Karen (Wyoming) on 05/22/2022
Dr Frank Shallenburger...but google ozone practitioners in your area
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Posted by Jack (Durham) on 06/02/2020
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Borax is very good for arthritis and general health.
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Posted by Janet (In) on 10/28/2017
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Posted by Barbara (Ga) on 10/09/2020
It could very well be your microbiome that has been damaged by the antibiotics. The most assured and quickest way to restore your microbiome is through FMT from a thoroughly tested donor. However, a great diversity of food, yogurts, fermented foods, etc can restore your microbiome over time.
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Posted by Ellie (Europe) on 09/28/2017
Hard to know if borax would make your fatigue worse or better. Some find it helps with fatigue. Others find that, at first, it can make one feel worse. A normal dose of borax for women (1/8 t.) makes me feel awful for 24 hours. I think I am just detoxing.
You could try starting with small amounts if you want. Like just a pinch in your coffee in the morning. And increase slowly if you like.
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Posted by Roxie (Grand Rapids, Michigan ) on 07/25/2021
Are you taking magnesium too? You might need that with the borax intake. Research it?
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Posted by Susan (Cedar Rapids IA ) on 07/24/2022
I've read that you can neutralize stomach pain received from taking borax by taking charcoal tablets. Might be worth a try--
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Posted by Patricia (Downsville) on 08/23/2016 42 posts
Art,
I still don't understand. Are you drinking a liter of water every day with 1/4 tsp of borax in it or are you taking 1/4 tsp of borax solution (1/4 tsp borax in 1 liter of water) per day.
Patricia
EC: Art is drinking a liter of water every day with 1/4 teaspoon of borax in it. This is Ted's remedy. 5 days on, 2 days off.
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Posted by Art (California ) on 02/16/2016 2326 posts
You're welcome, Timh!
Here is a link to some very good info on boron that explains some of how it works and what it can do to improve our health.
Art
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Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 08/21/2013 2048 posts
I second Prioris but also recommend caution as some people experience side effects most likely from detox and herx reaction in which case "start low and go slow".
Personally I have been using Borax recently in a hot bath for the treatment of fungal infection with modest results. I also add a generous amount of other major and trace minerals to the bath for general health reasons. 1/4 -1/2 cup Borax and no bad side effects to report.
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Posted by Marilyn (Qld) on 06/26/2014
Hi, I have been reading these posts with interest as I have just started taking borax for my arthritis. I have gone off my anti inflammatory tabs and it is now 14 days into the borax. I am not noticing any difference with my arthritis except I can feel it more and am wondering if my dosage is high enough. I have been following the 1tsp in a litre of water, having 3 tsps of this a day. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Posted by Earthdrinker (Berkeley, Ca) on 10/16/2014
Mycoplasma are being widely distributed in chemtrails, aka geoengineering, sprayed on most population centers in the US and Europe (less so in the Southern Hemisphere). for a sense of scope, watch the documentary "what in the world are they spraying." borax is well known for treating mycoplasma.
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Posted by Wanda (Missouri, US) on 12/06/2014
My question concerning the measurement is this..when saying 1/8 or 1/4 tsp..are they referring to measuring tsps or regular tsp? I am using a measuring tsp..that specifically says 1/8 tsp. I could see a discrepancy of the amount of ml if a regular tsp is being used.
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Posted by Dee (San Antonio, Texas) on 12/14/2014
They mean measuring spoons, like for following regular recipes. (At least I hope so, since that is how I measure! )
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Posted by Dano (North Carolina) on 09/02/2024
This is incorrect. RO water is not pH 4. It averages around 6-6.5.
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Posted by Nika (Serbia) on 05/22/2024
Hi, you must use him whit protocol, you must start whit lower dose for ex 10mg or 6mg in day for two week, than 2 wk 20mg, one month 30mg, 2 w 40mg, one month 50 mg ..., 1/8 - then ...... 5 days use -2 days pausa (not everyone have pausa all the time but you must have how I see) Because of detox symptoms, and not so fast on high doses, but slow, and use him in morning in water after that pause for one our, becouse he is alkaline, not whit food, and have light dinner not meat (! ), And you must use some good apsorable Mg whit no poison, ect MG bosglicinate, MG taurate, MG treonate, MG citrate, MG malate, no others, because B push in bones MG so you must use him, also some phosphore in food, that is that. You can see in sercher in group Diatomaceus earth maby there is some info. Slow, and if you have detox that stop for 2 days, a lot of water and use again in slower doses, then after some time slow up doses. Bigger doses fast can crush stones in kidneys and is not good for kidneys fast. If BX does not fit for you, just use some organic boron supplements, and do some anti-parasitic programe by drHulda Clark, nature program whit 3 herbs, wormwood must be in powder here, to kill parasites, becouse they can make arthritis also.
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Posted by Kim (Westminster, MD) on 09/06/2023
What kind of arthritis?
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Posted by Aja (NZ) on 08/10/2023
I'm getting it from an online garden place. Borax from the same place.
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Posted by Liz (Alberta) on 04/04/2023
I mix up a 1teaspoon of borax into a 1 lite of distilled water, This is my concentrate and from this bottle, I take I teaspoon of the mixture into a smoothie every second day for the past year. I don't know if it helped because I had no arthritis and thought at 77 would help for maintenance. When I saw the recipe for applying it externally, with DMSO, I printed and stuck on my fridge and quit taking it internally, Then I had a fall in the gym end of January to my right side and lower backside that had me pretty immobile for 2 weeks to get dressed and help to get ex-rays. No fractures, but healing slowly, It's now been 10 weeks and still have pain in the side and backside. This past week, I got DMSO and read all about and followed the receipe to the letter and applied to my side and lower back., used 2 drops. Half an hour later, the pain was more intense and never let up until bed, Next day, tried again with 3 drops and still in pain and now today I am in worse pain in my side, So I am ready to give up and wondering what I am doing wrong or what does a few drops mean for DMSO. I have a soft tissue pain in my side, Walking with cane. Any suggestions, maybe try castor oil with DMSO? Thank you,
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Posted by Annette (TX) on 07/13/2021
Do you only take one tablespoon daily? Sorry I'm confused. Can you elaborate?
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Posted by Rosie (Mays Landing, NJ) on 08/29/2021
Hi, my dad needs a knee replacement and he is in slot of pain. Was your dosage, 1 tablespoon per day from the liter mixed concentrate or did take the tablespoon more than once? Did you always mix it with coffee or juice?
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Posted by SusanK (Spfld MO) on 02/25/2021
Wondering if your results are still successful with daily Borax? Any issues? My natural health person didn't know anything about it.
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Posted by Jule (Texas) on 08/31/2020
what amounts of Baking Soda and of Borax are you using, in how much water and how often if you don't mind? I'd really like to be pain free again.
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Posted by Roy (Ontario) on 10/25/2020
What is the required dose for a 65 yr old adult?
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Posted by JenCat71 (TN) on 03/30/2022
Re the HERXHEIMER EFFECT you reported. I started yesterday with 6mg Boron drops under my tongue for 30 seconds (morning/evening) + two pinches of Borax (one in each coffee I had). By that afternoon, bam, it was like the pain had doubled, so I feel confident I had what you had. Hurt all night, but by this morning, I was back to my normal arthritic pain in my back/pelvic area. They say that effect is a good sign because it means something about Candida and releasing toxins, which will create that pain. So this morning, I'm putting two pinches in each cup to see how that does. If toxins are being released, I want them gone, so hoping this is gonna continue working. Will keep ya posted. (My background: 50yr female, 5'2", 160#, spinal fusion 1.3 years ago, desk job/sitting, no exercise, degenerative disease.)
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Posted by Pam (Oroville) on 01/08/2018
Could be there is still some antibiotic in your bloodstream, blocking the boron? This is only a guess.
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Posted by Dr Mike (San Diego) on 07/01/2020
I am loving everything I read here. Thank you very much for this great site. Keep up the good work.
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Posted by Marika (Oz) on 08/06/2016
I heard if you take to much boron it will give you the runs so stop taking it for a couple of days should fix it. I had burning in my hips for a few days and started taking 1/4 tsp in 1 litre of water over 2 days and great relief getting better all the time
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Posted by Ronald (Lima, Peru) on 03/12/2014
Does borax remove bromine from the body?
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Posted by Brian (Gold Coast) on 05/25/2015
To the forum, of the forum, Advice please?
Have been on borax now for around 1 month. Started with the anti fungal dosing protocol, massive eruptions of very hot painful diarrhea and when that stopped moved up to a quarter tspn 3 times a day. Excellent results first 2 - 3 weeks, massive weight loss and tons of energy. About 2 weeks ago began to feel washed out and ill, so stopped for 2 days and started again on 1/4 tspn 2 a day. Fine for a few days then depression hit. Lot of muccus out of nose and chest and chest very painful. Headaches, very sore eyeballs and weeping tears. Could be a bad cold but dont think so. Have not been able to work, feel too sick. Couldn't find anything within the forum like me other than mycoplasma infection posted by Replied by Mycoplasma
Geneva, Switzerland
10/04/2014.
Am I taking too much? Is it a healing sickness? Any imput welcome. b
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Posted by Timh (Ky) on 05/26/2015 2048 posts
B: Like many illnesses, there usually is no simple one shot solution. Borax has obviously helped your condition but other therapies are needed. Always try and identify EXACTLY the problem and apply an exact treatment protocol.
In your situation, you would prosper by doing any number of detox and cleanses listed in the Remedies section at top page. There are a good number of effective remedies that if used properly will get you back to health, but you must take time and dedicate yourself to getting well again.
Come back here and post questions and results.
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Posted by Russell (Sydney Australia) on 08/09/2015
I about to start taking borax, and, I noticed that everyone is talking about mixing it in water. I'm wondering if it works in anything other than water? I drink 3 or 4 cups of tea a day and was wondering if mixing it into my tea would still be effective? Thanks.
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Posted by Baldev (Maharashtra) on 08/09/2015 184 posts
Hi Ressell,
What is important is that you should not take it empty stomach, yet how you take it whether with water, juice or tea, in my opinion makes no difference. My advice would be to avoid sugar in the tea. Good Luck
Baldev
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Posted by Carly (Seattle, Wa - Usa) on 01/01/2011
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Hi - Re Borax... I take Boron every day in capsul form. It is amazing for arthritis. I used to have bad hand pain every morning, now I only have it when I have not taken my boron for a few days. I am wondering if Borax and Boron are similar or even the same thing? I am one of those people who has a hard time considering consuming laundry soap. Even in such small amounts, the thought of it is - pardon the pun - hard for me to swallow. ;)
In my opinion anyone with arthritis pain or osteoperosis would do well to look up boron on the search engines. Boron is one of the KEY components for building bone, along with Magnesium, Vitamin D-3 and Calcium. I try to keep my supplimental calcium intake at the lowest level possible and when I do take it it is a 1:1 ratio with Magnesuim. Vitamin D I take at leat 4,000 iu a day. I live in the North, and there is virtually zero sun here in the fall and winter. All I can say is if you have joint pain or bone issues - read up on all of the above - They are amazing! Here is to a Happy and Healthy New Year! Carly
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Posted by Eveline (Peterborough, Ontario, Canada) on 04/14/2012
I've been putting the borax and xylitol into my drinking water but haven't noticed any change in my arthritic pain. The pain and immobility have been getting worse every day, with it suddenly affecting my fingers as well as elbow, shoulders, but my knees are the worst. I have a hard time walking. I'm only 57. I'm just wondering if someone can explain the protocol about only drinking the borax water for 5 days of the week. I have done many, many things that are recommended to cleanse the body, taking this supplement and that, I don't eat nightshades, I don't eat processed foods, drink pop, eat mainly vegetables, fruits, protein, am off gluten and grains. I've had no relief. I'm not a fan of conventional medicine but have had to succumb to NSAIDs as otherwise I don't think I would even be walking at this point. I get acupuncture, physiotherapy, see a Naturopath and am determined to find the right combination for me to be rid of this. I wouldn't even mind limping if I could just be free of the pain. Thanks.
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Posted by Marina (Naples. Fl) on 01/17/2014
I am taking minocyclin antibiotic 100 mg. Monday, Wensday, Friday. After 4 months, my life changed complitely. Now I can do everything myself. It still hurts when I walk , but it is getting better with each passing day. Hope it will help to all of you who suffers with RA. Before I tried everything nothing helped. google Dr.Brown's protocol for RA. And read his work. It took me 4, 5 months to cure RA. I believe that RA is a bacterial decease, hence antibiotics works.
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Posted by Prioris (Fl) on 01/18/2014
Trying a few antibiotics for chronic diseases can yield good results. My fms pain symptom started to disappear the second day on minocin. five different prescriptions of minocycline didn't work. Minocin completely stomped the fms out. I also believe any fms that includes inflammatory symptoms is an infection. fms is a murky disease category.
Curious, did you try borax and experimenting with removing dairy, gluten etc for your RA. It's good to know what didn't work for people.
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Posted by KT (Usa) on 01/18/2014
I am mentioning this because over the last two decades plus I have learned that eating habits are hereditary. If one really examines what is being eaten and in what combination, I feel you may find how true this is. This has not been well accepted but it is my two cents!
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Posted by Mysty (Southwestern Ontario, Canada) on 04/26/2021
I eat absolutely nothing like my parents.
I suppose people that go through life in an unconscious state might well mimic what their parents ate.
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Posted by Adrienne (FL) on 08/28/2023
How did you use it? I have hair loss from Long Covid.
Adrienne!!!
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Posted by Lynette (Australia ) on 11/26/2023
Can you tell me what sort of Borax you use in Australia please.
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Posted by Pamela (Boynton Beach, FL ) on 01/16/2024
Any updates?
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Posted by Tricia (Little Elm, tx ) on 08/18/2023
If you don't mind me asking what trace minerals are you adding to your borax water?
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Posted by Elizabeth (pasadena California ) on 06/19/2023
The man who has been taking for 10 years and it alleviated your pain... what amount in how much water and what is your height and weight???
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Posted by Sherre (Lebanon Mo ) on 07/18/2023
How much borax do you take daily?
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Posted by June (ID) on 04/24/2024
Do you take the magnesium with the borax?
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Posted by Anna (Victoria ) on 06/14/2023
I really want to try Borax. I have a container of Bare Essentials from the local supermarket. I've looked up the MSDS online for both Bare Essentials brand and borax in general and all the responses are the same. Do not invest, harmful to inhale and the foetal abnormalities warning too. Just wondering where to see the results you're referring to please.
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Posted by Valerie (New Zealand) on 04/21/2022
I'm not great with maths so need some help. I'd like to make my own boron drops to place in tea as I prefer to drink different fluids during the day. If I have a 100 ml dropper bottle, and wish each drop to represent 6mg boron, exactly what quantity of borax would I had to the 100 mls to make such?
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Posted by Michellle (Arizona) on 07/11/2021
How much do you take? I made my mixture not sure how much to take?
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Posted by Liz (AZ ) on 01/10/2022
Where do you find a practitioner who gives ozone shots? Can you describe how/why it works? My hip is in desperate shape. Thanks!
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Posted by Rebecca (Ypsilanti, Michigan ) on 04/14/2022
I'm bone on bone in my right hip. Will borax help?
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Posted by N N Epp (ohio) on 06/06/2020
Do you need to use distilled or purified water? Can I use Pur filtered water and get the same results? My arthritis is bad in fingers, wrists, knees. ankles and neck. Just started taking borax in water and will do every 3 days to start. Unless someone tells me otherwise. Thanks for your help.
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Posted by Lukasz (Outside US / Canada / AU) on 12/30/2021
Hi, I am a distance runner as well, can't get rid of my arthritis, can you run now? how is your experience with borax so far?
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Posted by Kenneth (Scotland) on 06/30/2020
This is exactly what I thought when I read the initial post.
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Posted by Ben (Arizona) on 09/27/2017
Am experiencing extreme fatigue, wondering if using borax for arthritis pain would aid fatigue or cause more??
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Posted by Rima (Sd) on 06/27/2017
The solution is causing me dizziness few minutes after I take it. I end up napping a bit, and then I am fine. So far this is all I noticed. I am waiting it would help me with arthritic joints (cracking mostly). Anyone experience dizziness, too?
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Posted by Nepp (Ohio) on 07/03/2020
Yes, but went away after a few days.
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Posted by PT (AL) on 08/28/2023
It could be the magnesium that is making you sleepy if you are taking it during the day.
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Posted by Patricia (Downsville) on 08/22/2016 42 posts
Art,
Are you drinking a whole liter of water with the borax each day?
Patricia
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Posted by Julieh12 (Scotland ) on 02/12/2016
Thank you, Art. So all good then. I look forward to the improvement. I was on omeprazole for a very long time and through research found out it can cause osteoporosis. I am hoping the borax will reverse my osteopenia so I don't develop osteoporosis.
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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 02/15/2016
It seems to me that BORIC ACID should NOT be used like BORON or BORAX. It has it's uses, but, as far as I know, boric acid is only used externally.
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Posted by Jill (Arkansas) on 05/28/2016
I was excited about your immediate relief from taking borax, so I have some questions about your arthritis. How long have you had it and which kind of arthritis is it? Is it in your knees? Is it in your feet or hands? Are you 65 or older? Are you over weight or do you have normal weight?
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Posted by Helen In Houston (Houston, Texas Usa) on 02/08/2014
I tried boron for a minor arthritis in some fingers. The first evening there was a tiny bit of stinging at the tip of one finger. The next evening the tips of several fingers on one hand stung. The third evening the tips of all fingers on one hand were stinging enough to keep me awake. It's a couple months ago I don't remember if the tips of the other hand were starting to sting or not, I think so but am not sure.
Nowhere near a joint of fingernail - the fleshy fingertips were stinging badly. I was really scared. Stopped the boron, then the stinging died away over about 4 days.
20 Mule team Borax, ingredients sodium tetraborate, 1/8t tsp (or somewhat less) in a quart of water over the day.
I searched for what stinging fingertips could be a symptom of but found nothing, no web site suggesting boron for arthritis suggests any such side effect, so I'm curious if anyone has any idea what might have been going on. I was using 2 tsp ACV + baking soda in a liter of water over the course of the day at the same time. ACV has never caused side effects for me.
The boron had no effect on the arthritis as far as I can tell but I used it only those few days.
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Posted by Timh (Ky, Usa) on 02/09/2014 2048 posts
Helen: It would be nearly impossible to determine specifically what is causing the stinging, but generally it is surely a "detox reaction". We know that Borax has a neutralizing effect on several heavy metals and chemicals like fluoride. I would suggest backing up and doing any number of detox remedies found here on E.C, while continuing a small dose of Borax. A very good multivitamin/mineral supplement which contains whole foods, enzymes etc (the longer the profile the better) is the first step in detox. Cruciferous vegetable and their extracts like I3C, DIM, will greatly enhance your defenses while helping detox the body.
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Posted by Bev (Fort Lauderdale, Florida, Usa) on 08/08/2014
Magnesium oil -- applied externally --helps with pain, arthritic or otherwise. It also does other good things.
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Posted by Grant (Sydney, AU) on 11/08/2014
Mycoplasma, have you found the best treatment for it? What you think of Teds treatment?
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Posted by Edson Araujo De Freitas (Brasil) on 03/05/2015
A dosagem que eu uso minha esposa minha filha usa 6 gramas de borax em cem ml de agua, 12 gotas 2 x ao dia, esta certo?
EC: Google translate:
The dosage I use my wife my daughter uses 6 grams of borax in one hundred ml of water, 12 drops 2x daily, this right?
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Posted by Goldenbee (Boulder, Co) on 10/09/2015
@ Mycoplasma (who posted on 10/04/14): This mycoplasm study is very important. I would like to learn more, as I am studying and recovering from Lyme, with co-infections. Please let me know what kind of support you need. Thanks!
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Posted by Steve (Guatemala) on 11/19/2015
You needed to drink more water to flush. It would have also been a good idea to walk a few miles to stimulate the circulation, thereby mobilizing the detoxification systems. The stinging was the boron reacting with the precipitates at the fingertip regions. Absent adequate water to flush and exercise to circulate, you have a small smoldering fire going on at the end of each fingertip.
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Posted by Sandra (Pikeville, Tn) on 01/29/2016
Do you use mule team borax or do you buy it at the drug store?
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Posted by Velma (Oklahoma) on 01/29/2016
I think most people use the mule team borax.
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Posted by Nicole (Usa) on 07/25/2016
Vitamin E can help reduce the stress on the heart.
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Posted by Cw (Napa, US) on 12/19/2014
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WOW! This is awesome!!
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Posted by Taffy (Santa Cruz, Ca/usa) on 10/21/2012
I feel like I have tried everything for my arthritis and joint pain but, in truth, I continue to find new solutions. I am recommitting to the ACV daily and borax/4ays/week after reading about others' relief. Gut health and sufficient proper minerals are so key!
My newest hope comes from the awareness of my uneven muscle stength and areas of weakness- especially in the hip/glut/quad areas. A few weeeks ago, I read about Functional Movement Screen (FMS) and started seeing a trainer to assess and coach me to improve uneven muscles. I also had a PT assessment.
I have an old knee injury and drive a stick shift. I started Zumba about 6 months ago (big fun! ) and could see that my right leg was skinnier than my left. So I did some workouts of single leg with weights and found a BIG difference in strength between right and left leg. Next, the PT noticed that my hips were not aligned. Well, imagine what all that does to my back and other joints! I think, due to uneven muscles and use, my joints have been pulled and tugged out of balance for some time.
My best new hope came after I saw the trainer. She gave me some FMS exercises and kept reminding me to keep my abs in with a natural arch in my back. The next day and each day since I feel relief when I hold my abs in and try to keep my spine in good alignment.
I have taken all the western meds in the past and will take an IB when I just really must but I know that those things are penny wise and pound foolish. While there can be symptom relief, there is no free lunch. I am so alerted to side effects of western meds. that I take remedies to rebuild whenever I indulge.
To our health! (holding a glass of mild borax)
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Posted by Mmsg (Somewhere, Europe) on 10/21/2012
Taffy, thanks for the borax toast!!! :)
I just got a Kindle book that is helpful for chronic aches and pains: "3 minutes to a pain free life, but Joseph Weisberg and Heidi Shink". The exercises are short (not easy yet... ) and seem to be helping. That and the book "Pain free" by Pete Egoscue are my favorites right now for muscles and joints.
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Posted by Bev (Florida) on 08/08/2014
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Posted by Rebecca (Ashtabula, Ohio) on 07/04/2010
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My comment is on the Borax for arthritis. I tried the ACV (for about two weeks) and didn't seem to be getting any results. So, I started adding the 1/8tsp of borax in a liter of water (drank through out the day). The next day after adding the borax, my knees (where I was having "arthritis pains," I'm guessing, I was never diagnosed officially.) began to feel less swollen. It's been about a week and my knees feel about 80% better. I know this is anecdotal, but thought I would share. I cannot prove it was the Borax (or that the ACV didn't also contribute). I am currently continuing with both and will see how it goes. I truly believe it was the borax. I'm 40 yrs old (female) and used to distance run for about twenty years until I started having knee issues. My mother also has osteoarthritis, diagnosed officially. I mention this because I wonder if it could be hereditary? Anyways, thanks for the info on borax. I will continue it and see how it goes. For now, I believe it has given my knees a big turn around in a small amount of time.
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Posted by Silvermist (Downeast, Maine, Usa) on 05/29/2012
From the fibromyalgia section: Ted and Bill recommend 1/8tsp borax in 1 l water daily for 4 days, off for 3. Continue indefinitely- replaces flouride and may take a long time to get it all removed, plus new exposures. I think Ted somewhere suggested taking a few months off every year. If you feel better, you could stop, then start again when flouride builds back up and causes pain. It is androgenic according to Bill- so you will get a testosterone boost, which gives a little kick to the flagging libido most of us have from toxic crap in our bodies. A tiny bit of testosterone is ok for women, though you don't know how much a pinch of Borax affects testosterone levels. Choose your battles, I suppose.
I have tried many things on this site for I assume flouride toxcity (my mainstream dentist told me I have frank flourosis- stage4 toxicity of flouride), and borax does seem to do something positive for me for pain.
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Posted by Prescriptions Kill (United States Of America, United States) on 08/31/2013
Just curious, but have you tried eating raw Ginger daily? Ginger is really good for arthritis and several other benefits. It is very spicy (more like a hot/cool sensation).
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Posted by KT (Usa) on 09/01/2013
Turmeric is very good too.
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Posted by Elaine (British Columbia, Canada) on 10/30/2014
Prioris, I got excited about your minocin, then found out the one that worked for you and the one that didn't work for you, are the exact same drug, welcome to the placebo effect, it's the only thing that really heals anyway haha
