Hello.
My mom in her 70's has been taking borax for nearly a month. The last digit of her thumbs, index fingers and middle finger tingle, are somewhat numb and at times uncomfortable. She was a typist most of her life. She's experiencing bone loss noticeable in her teeth. Her energy is not great.
She lifts weights and walks and has a very health diet (a lot of raw fruit and lightly cooked veggies, all organic) though she does have a cheat night every week (pizza) and does eat organic wheat soft taco shells 1-2 times a week. She had a hysterectomy, part of her thyroid removed and suffered from IBS for a long time. Now and for over a decade, her digestion is very good, no IBS and she takes zero meds. We're trying too reverse her bone loss, increase her energy and hopefully help her finger tip issue.
It appears that the borax makes her more tired than normal and saps her energy.
She started at 1/16 tspn and is now taking 1/4 + 1/8 tspn daily which I believe is the recommended amount for woman post-menopause with osteoporosis. She also takes 10,000iu d3/k2, vit B complex, molybdenom, vit C (camu camu), magnesium chloride, and recently added 2 tblsn ACV pre-mixed with 1/2 tspn BS. The vit c, acv/bs mix and molybdenom are added to her borax drink which she sips throughout the day.
Anybody have any advice or experience? Herx reactions and/or detox slowing her down via kidneys or liver is what I'm thinking.
The dose that many women have found benefit from is 1/8th teaspoon of Borax. Your mom is taking three times that dose. She might try bringing her dose down to the 1/8th teaspoon dose for women that Ted originally recommended and see if that helps.
Btw, can you link to where you or your mom found a recommendation for 3/8ths teaspoon of Borax for women?
It is a dose that's for women who are post-menopause with osteoporosis. 150mg which comes out to be 3/4 tspn of borax.
Reading what's written below, it appears that the writer meant to write 150mg of boron, not borax. Knowing that borax is less toxic than table salt, I'm not concerned. I'm taking 1/2 tspn daily myself and did experience a little tiredness, but that came with the herx reactions which have stopped. Someday I'll go into my experience which has been a healing experience for sure.
I didn't save the link. This is from my notes with the bottom paragraph explaining the math.
"In post menopausal women a lot of individuals have found that reversing osteoporosis takes around 150mg of borax, vit D3 and 400mg-600mg of magnesium per day to reverse it and that is a far higher dose than someone without osteoporosis needs. In those without severe florosis or osteoporosis that have healthy bone mass, 50mg per day seems to be the sweet spot but again you need magnesium and vitamin D3 in the diet. It is thought that enzymes and mineral metabolism is how boron works it's many benefits. Some people probably get enough minerals in their diet but for most Americans minerals and Vitamin D3 and iodine are almost always low. Iodine helps to keep your body from depositing fluoride in your bones."
"Ted on the other hand recommended 1/4 teaspoon of borax for men and 1/8th teaspoon for women per day. Assuming an 1/8th teaspoon of borax is 500 mg, you would multiply this number by .113 to see how much boron is in an 1/8th teaspoon. 500*.113 = 56.5 mg of boron per dose. For myself, through trial and error, have determined that Ted's dose for men is my minimum effective dose at 1,000 m of borax or about 110 mg of boron per day."
For her finger issue, she might try topical melatonin lotion which I wrote about here:
https://www.earthclinic.com/supplements/topical-melatonin-pain-relief-success-stories.html
I haven't tried it for hand issues, but it may be worth a try. She should try applying it to her neck and the affected hand sparingly twice per day.
I will look into this. Thank you.
Regarding osteoporosis, I wrote this which may interest her:
https://www.earthclinic.com/cures/osteoporosis-supplements-art-solbrig.html
I will look into that as well.
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More information would be helpful. Example, did she start taking borax at the same time she started taking the other supplements? How long has she been fatigued? When did the numbness in the fingers start? Is she losing bone in other areas? This is important because she could have a particular type of infection in the mouth that causes bone loss from only this area in the body.
However, based on the description, if she was my mother I would stop all the supplements and add them back to her regimen one at a time. After a week or two add a second supplement, and so on. This will help you to identify a specific supplement(s) as the possible cause.
Also, many supplements are adulterated with various "toxins". This often causes reactions, examples: magnesium stearate, alcohols, soy additives, toxic residues from what they clean their machines with, mold contamination, etc....
Many people react to magnesium stearate, I had to eliminate all supplements that contained this additive because it caused several adverse reactions including fatigue.
Many baking soda brands are not actually mined (made in the lab) and include toxins. There are several good brands that are mined and do not include toxins (e.g., drclarkstore.com and others).
Many brands of ACV are contaminated with mold (patulin and others). These could definitely cause reactions in some people, especially if they already have a fungal/yeast/mold illness. Muscle testing the products could help if you can find an experienced practitioner or a syncrometer.
However, as you concluded, it is probably a detox reaction in which case it is important to scale back on everything and slowly build it back up (months). And, ensure she is adequately hydrated and supporting her detox organs (kidneys, liver, colon/intestines, etc...) with various herbs or tinctures.
Your mom is fortunate to have you looking out for her, hope this issue resolves itself soon.
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She had been taking it for a couple weeks and I don't believe she was getting a dose that would make much meaningful change. It's probably expected that she didn't notice anything because it was a low dose and its purpose was to help with bone loss and by bone loss, I mean her teeth.
She's been low energy for many years, so it's nothing new but after starting the borax & everything else, it got worse. I believe now that it's her cellular energy production, her mitochondria. Her bodies oxygen content is low. She breathes way too much and way too frequently, which is not good and is something that Walter Last didn't know about as I've read him write about breathing deeply.
She used to practice the Buteyko breathing method but she didn't stick with it. Older women have great difficulty retraining their breathing, breathing from the diaphragm and sticking with it, supposedly.
Mercola wrote something regarding this a couple days ago and there might be some very promising information regarding breathing retraining that takes much less time and effort. I'll find out soon.
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No ACV issues for her.
She'll be fine, take the drink I've mentioned previously for 3-4 days and then starts to get tired, on day 3 or 4. Really tired. Sleepy. Low energy, but no actual physical complaints. After a few days off the drink, she's feeling better. Recently, her right hip was bothering her, just out of the blue. Never had an injury. It went away just as it came. She took the drink for 4 days last week and she's been tired ever since, but slowly improving.
I believe she's constantly experiencing healing reactions and there's no doubt that she needs to cycle this drink, typically 3 days off or more.
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You probably want to discontinue the borax for now until the pain is gone. Try liver detox supplements to help clear what is probably a fungal infection die-off, and do colon cleanses to speed up the removal of toxins. Tight muscles can be caused by a magnesium or potassium deficiency, so consider increasing those. Flushing-type niacin can increase circulation and speed up recovery, but is also anti-fungal. Massage, saunas, even sun bathing may improve the pain. Remember to drink plenty of water.
I've taken borax 1/4 tsp. in 1 litre of water sipped throughout the day, bathed in it, even rubbed it on my skin as a body wash, used it for vaginal infections. It has never caused a reaction like that. Make sure the borax has no additives, no scent.
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Please help! I just finished day 5 of drinking borax water. Hoping to treat my psoriatic arthritis and heel spurs. Everything was going good until today I developed a yeast infection. I NEVER get those. Do you think I should discontinue the borax water? Could this be a toxin release? Thanks in advance for your input
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If you are taking borax to detox, charcoal may be good to use too, except charcoal is kind of a pain to use because you have to take it away from other supplements and meds.
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At night use some activated charcoal 3 caps or tabs and 16 ounces of water and put some castor oil on your gut and a shirt you don't care about and go to bed.
some other things that might help is 1/4 to 1/2 tsp baking soda dissolved in water 12 oz, make sure it's mixed well before drinking it. 1 tsp. Apple cider vinegar with some honey in water ...
read more on earth clinic boron borax section
That's what I do.
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Vitamins B-6 and C are reported to reduced fluid retention. You might want to look for the B-Complex 100 as you get all the B's because I read where taking only one can cause deficiencies in the others. They are water soluble so you can't OD on them.
Love,
KT
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I would try way less. My husband uses less than 1/16th of a teaspoon in his water throughout the day. The normal dose of 1/4 teaspoon a day (for a man) caused him digestive distress. Even that small an amount is helpful.
~Mama to Many~
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Re the problems you are having with stomach...
First, you are taking too much Borax orally. You are taking a teaspoon of Borax every two and a half days!!! ??? Where did you get that formula? And what are your symptoms that you are on such a formula.
Second, you say you are taking an herbal syrup...what is it made of?
If me...well, if me I'd never have taken so much Borax orally. And certainly not for so long. You don't want to cause problems. So again what is the condition that you are trying to resolve?
But I'm afraid...whatever you're working on that some other damage might have occurred. If me, and this doesn't resolve FAST, I'd be at my Gastroenterologist ... like pronto.
Please fill us in on what condition and symptoms you are having. Have you been diagnosed?
But I'd stop all the items you listed.... everything. Until my situation settled down. I think ... reading all the things you are throwing at your system that the combination also might be overwhelming.
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I have a weird side effect of trying Borax for my arthritis. First, I seem to have kidney pain when taking doses of 1/8 tsp and higher. This is nothing new, certain things do give my kidneys problems since I had a E-coli infection in my blood 12 years ago. So I've been taking a little spoon, and just dipping the wet tip of it in and swishing it in my water. Kidney problem solved. Here is the weird side effect... I get this strange headache that is located at the tip of my head... Not really a headache, just a strange pressure or ache at the very center tip of my head. I've had this pain before, years ago, when I was really stressed and it used to be pretty bad that it would affect my thinking. But that went away years ago, and now it seems the borax brings it on again ever so slightly. Anybody have any ideas what this means?
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Otherwise, the borax has made me feel great.
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Roughly the same time. Vit C (camu camu), magnesium (chloride form), molybdenom (most recent and no noticeable change), ACV diluted with baking soda, D3 & K2, B complex and recently up to 3/4 tspn borax 8 days on 2-3 days off.
How long has she been fatigued?
This has been an issue for at least a decade. Day 1 of borax @ 1/16th tspn, magnesium chloride 500 mg and vit c she was really tired. Sleepy. Day 2, she had better energy than she's had in quite a long time. Day 3, even more tired and she's been stuck in the even more tired category ever since. She started the concoction a month ago.
When did the numbness in the fingers start?
3 years ago approx. She was a very productive secretary. Either slamming the keys on the manual typewriter or carpel tunnel I believe. Both thumbs, index fingers and middle fingers which are those used to type and those that tend to be involved with CT.
Is she losing bone in other areas?
Not that I'm aware of. Her gums are receded and she's lost maybe a 1/2 dozen teeth. She's done and still does a lot per "Cure Tooth Decay" and Dr Nara's book which I cannot remember what's it's title is at the moment. My caries have healed and my gums are no longer receding but her's have continued, albeit at a much slower rate. DMSO and colloidal silver stop abscessed teeth. Post menopausal and osteoporosis I believe is the difference between us.
This is important because she could have a particular type of infection in the mouth that causes bone loss from only this area in the body.
That's possible.
However, based on the description, if she was my mother I would stop all the supplements and add them back to her regimen one at a time. After a week or two add a second supplement, and so on. This will help you to identify a specific supplement(s) as the possible cause.
After the sups, she's just become more tired than normal. It's a roller coaster. She used to be very emotionally sensitive on the weekends.
Also, many supplements are adulterated with various "toxins". This often causes reactions, examples: magnesium stearate, alcohols, soy additives, toxic residues from what they clean their machines with, mold contamination, etc....
I don't think she's exposed to anything via these sups and she doesn't take any others than what I've written about above nor does she take any drugs at all.
Many people react to magnesium stearate, I had to eliminate all supplements that contained this additive because it caused several adverse reactions including fatigue.
She has no exposure to that. All high quality sups, unless these companies are lying.
Many baking soda brands are not actually mined (made in the lab) and include toxins. There are several good brands that are mined and do not include toxins (e.g., drclarkstore.com and others).
Bob's Red Mill is what she uses.
Many brands of ACV are contaminated with mold (patulin and others). These could definitely cause reactions in some people, especially if they already have a fungal/yeast/mold illness. Muscle testing the products could help if you can find an experienced practitioner or a syncrometer.
Braggs. Changing brands as Katie P & husband own this company now & get their apples from Gates, or so I've heard.
However, as you concluded, it is probably a detox reaction in which case it is important to scale back on everything and slowly build it back up (months). And, ensure she is adequately hydrated and supporting her detox organs (kidneys, liver, colon/intestines, etc...) with various herbs or tinctures.
Ultimately, I think it might be the magnesium. Her motility tends to be very good but lately it's been spotty. She was used to IBS for most her life and once we changed her diet and went after parasites and bad microbes, that went away. There's been times where motility has been an issue and it's typically when something's changed. This could be it or a part of it.
Your mom is fortunate to have you looking out for her, hope this issue resolves itself soon.
Thank you. Our LORD looks out for both of us.
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I take it you're not familiar with this higher dose for post-menopause women with osteoporosis? I wasn't either but it makes some sense and borax is not toxic, so why not just give it a shot.
My mom got back this concoction 3 days ago (2-3 days off, 8 days on) and her energy has improved. She's now taking 240-ish mg of mag. chloride which is 1/2 what she was taking before, so it might be;
too much magnesium
the herx reaction is getting easier
her detox pathways are dealing better as she pauses for a couple-three days while her motility has improved (prune juice).
EC: We'll ask the programmer about that. Some email services don't deliver these emails for some reason. Did you check your spam box?
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She started taking a 100 billion in the morning (empty stomach as she doesn't eat until late morning) & a 60 billion + fermented sauerkraut with lunch (both refrigerated).
Her motility is about where it should be now. Everythings improved. She was getting a little wobbly, slight issues with balance and that's not a good thing, especially as she gets older, but that has improved as well.
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I have osteoporosis also, but did have a good bit of detox from Borax so mainly now use in a bath. I did have a black tongue once also and it is bacteria, so your symptoms are most likely detox.
What else do you do for your osteo? I recently found a product called Osteo K that had so many good reviews that I ordered it. The reviews noted that they had completely reversed the osteo or had gone back to osteopenia and were headed toward healing. MK4 was the main ingredient that was different from other osteo products. I have been taking it 4 months and noticed my nails look like they did in my 20s.
I have not had a dexascan yet and may not b/c of the radiation. But it is a critical point for me as I am recovering from a broken hand and then was told I might have a stress fracture in my foot (I didn't). The healing has been slow.
If you are able to do any weight bearing exercise, it is a huge help. My doc told me that strontium skews the dexascan, so I had stopped that years ago.
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Hello everyone. I starting taking Borax internally about 4 yrs ago to combat an internal yeast overgrowth. It took care of the candida over a long period of time. Really appreciate having learned about the anti fungal properties of Borax.
I live in a hot tropical region and so fungus issues are prevalent and reoccurring here and so like to keep the Borax on hand so when an issue arises I can take care of it quickly by ingesting some Borax for a short period. My question for you guys is has anyone noticed becoming heat intolerant while taking Borax. I mean I am so overheated once temps go over 30c and almost am dead when it nears 40c. I never was like this before I took Borax. Lately a friend of mine who also lives in the tropics has just started taking Borax and she too is complaining about sudden heat intolerance. We are both experiencing extreme excessive sweating. I put two and two together and it seems it is Borax that is effecting us in this most uncomfortable way. Have any of you experienced such a thing while consuming Borax?
Thank you and I love Earth Clinic!
I have ongoing issues with candida and constipation related to EDS and I'm gluten-free and mostly avoid dairy.
The first 5 days of the 'bug' were 2 times a day mass evacuation of sludge (I assume to be the impacted content). Then I got to 4 days of water type and one explosive day with green (I'm assuming that was the actual bug coming through) - then it slowly returned to twice a day sludge alternating with more traditional type watery diarrhea.
there have been what I'll describe as colon spasms (rather than 'stomach cramps') that will occur randomly over the day.
Is there any chance that the borax has caused an issue - in the first few weeks I was seeing improvement with candida so I was thrilled that this might be helping - but now I'm wondering if I should stop?
any thoughts would be much appreciated as I can't find a page with 'real side effects' as all the searches will go straight to mainstream, it's 'poison' type information.
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You can stop borax and if the rash resolves on its own in a month or so, the borax is the likely problem.
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