Holistic Cancer Treatment: General Discussion Board

Look up Dr Tullio Simoncelli on web, even youtube. Bicarbonate and Maple Suryp!

I beg to differ that these alternative herbal remedies being untested. If you want to know how well they have been tested, read up on what the doctors and pharmaceutical companies have been doing over the last 40 or so years. You will find that they have been collecting plants from all over planet earth and determining what chemicals they have and what activities those chemicals have. In other words, they have been exploring home/herbal remedies and borrowing from them just as medicine has always done. Savvy doctors were prescribing l foxglove leaf for their "weak heart" patients long before the pharmaceuticals were producing digitalis pills.

It was in a physiology class at a well known medical school in l978/9 that the instructor shared a little pearl of wisdom. It was: "From some research we have going on here, we don't know how, but for some reason poke berries throws the body into gear to fight". I just sat there & grinned because I had been taking them for the last l5 years on the advice of a little country woman who probably didn't go beyond the 3rd or 4th grade in school. Most likely the producers of Vioxx studied this plant and found one or two chemicals that had the anti-arthritis action they wanted and made a synthetic version of them that could be patented, so they could rake in huge profits from it. You probably already know that Vioxx decreased quality of life or outright killed thousands of people.

It doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that the reason poke berries safely boosts the immune system, while a synthetic version of a few of the herb's chemicals maimed or outright killed thousands of people, is because the herbal remedy still contains the fail safe chemicals that the pharmaceutical company removed from their synthetic version they marketed. The problem is that the pharmaceutical company didn't test their synthetic version before marketing it and creating havoc for too many people taking it. An aunt of mine now has the residual damage from a stroke and a pacemaker implanted, thanks to Vioxx.

If you want to broaden your mind with a little more reading, go pick up a copy of "The Green Pharmacy" by James Duke, PhD degree botanist. You can get a quick education on how well these herbal remedies (plants, many of which are labeled weeds) have been studied and tested. Even the lowly little prickly pear cactus has an amazing array of chemicals and nutrients in it.

I appreciate everything you said. You described your theories as to the cause, but in the end said nothing about the cure, except to fix your problem. If you have a practical solution for cancer.... a zillion people are waiting. Otherwise, you have just told us to do healthy things. Heck. My mom always told me to be nice and I was ........ sometimes. What was the point of your post?

I have had a cancerous breast tumor removed and now I have a large hard moveable lump in my armpit. the ultra sound report came back and says : large lobulated and hypoechoic mass and this bloodflow within, differential including malignant node ( favoured ) versus second tumoral depost/ malignant focus measuring 2.6/2.5/1.5 so what now??? I have not had chemo and radiation. I am not sure what to do with this added issue.

I am seeing a TCM also diet and monitoring my ph using ACV. and BS. I need all the help I can get and advice and people like-minded to share my issue.. Confused!!!! Do I get the lump surgical removed? I am afraid of it just moving to another location, part of me knows this and I feel I should just work on detoxifing and shrinking the lump. Thanks for listening. The Dr. really don't think outside the box and are so trained in Chemo /radiation. I feel like I am on this walk alone. I need to hear from others going through this or have been here .. I have been the Doctor's worst nightmare. I am not conforming so I live in a small town and know the I have a black mark on my chart for sure as the natural quack ...

Kat, there are a multitude of cancer treatment modalities so you have many options especially in the alternative methods, but one treatment I would advise everyone to use is Magnet therapy. I actually began MT with refrigerator M for Migraine Headache with good results. I have good results w/ Magnet belts and wrist bands, bed pad, and a bracelet (hematite). But there are depth issues with standard belt or pad type magnets, so I began using a music speaker magnet with real good results for every ache & pain. Studies reveal that Magnets don't cure cancer, but they create the environment necessary for the killing, by removing all the bad positive acidic energy associated with cancer. Do the magnet and your treatment success rate will definitely increase. Magnet alone is reported in some cases to halt the progression of C.

Immediately a good home remedy is 1/4 cup sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) and 1/4 cup magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) in a hot bath for 30 min. Once daily. 1 grm Vit-C every 4 hrs.

Hope this helps and good luck.

Thanks for the reply. I have not heard of magnet therapy for cancer. I am not short of speakers so will be pulling one out for sure and trying this. Do you sleep with this or just use it for a time period daily??? I am open to anything that is a natural. I often wonder what happened to cancer patients years past. I know there must be more natural healing, and if all else a better quaility of life for breast cancer and cancer patients. I am so glad to have found this site. Am so so sad for cancer patients like myself to find out the medical system is so, so tainted.

At this point, if I do not go to the:" cancer clinic" my family Dr. is not prepared to do any further testing, such as blood work, ultra sounds as she feels, it's a waste of time. Funny I have the cancer, live in canada where we pay for medical and have never used it before this, only now to find myself in need of certain blood work and uninvasive testing which I know can deterime if its spreading, and I have been labeled, by my Dr. I really do want to live, it's not like I am not fighting. Unless I go to the cancer clinic and do whatever they say, I am blacklisted, so I am in this battle alone and with the help of people who have gone through the same battle and are here in spite of the medical system. Thanks again, I need support out there, as not to burden my family, Kat

Here is a link to John Donnally's journal of how they have kept his wife Juanita alive for 41 months after she was sent home with little hope after a cancer diagnosis and treatment. It gives his protocol and the reasons behind it. http://www.ldndatabase.com/ourstory/

I hope this gives you some ideas of how you can take care of yourself. Best wishes.

Kat, I do sleep w/ a M pad and use the others as much as possible. For places like an unhealthy pancreas, the speaker magnet I use goes that deep and in two hrs can bring lasting relief.

Try and stay positive w/ conventional medicine and use their services as you need and gain as much as possible there. I too am black-sheeped or labeled or whatever as a I refused a bone marrow transplant a few yrs back. I have really gotten the treatment for that decision, as I recovered without it. Now I am in a wasting syndrome and don't have much hope for survival, and am losing my independence as a consequence, so it is good to pass on any effective natural treatments while I'm here. I am now needing a MIRACLE because I am inundated by a number of life-takers.

Hope you get well.

Hi Kat - You are getting some very good responses. I would like to add one more. There is a clinic in Vancouver, BC called Integrative Healing Arts. They have a breast health program:

http://www.integrative.ca/health-interests/breast-health-program.php

Perhaps they could give refer you to someone in your area or at least give you some information that you could use in Comox without having to travel to Vancouver.

Have you read about Lugol's iodine and breast health? One doctor (now retired) in Victoria thought breast cancer could be a result of iodine deficiency. His name is Dr. David Derry and he wrote a book on it (check your library) called Breast Cancer and Iodine.

http://www.amazon.com/Breast-Cancer-Iodine-Prevent-Survive/dp/1552128849

Good luck Kat. Best wishes, Bess

Looks like you have been through a great deal, I am so sorry that you are in a bad way , how long have you had your cancer and where did it start ? Thanks you so much for taking the time to share , this is one of the best sites I have found so far, and talking with real people believing in natural and simple remedies that I am so sure have worked for many. I will continue with the ACV and BS , also hydrogen Peroxide, also the caster oil packs. Has anyone out here tried poke root and blood root? How is this to be taken- is it external as well as internal and how much should I ingest? Is massage a good thing to do on a swollen lymph node? thanks, Kat

Thanks for taking the time to respond, I really do need any information that is available. Have you heard of using blood root or poke root, internal and external???

Thanks so much for your response, I have some lugols iodine paint can this also be taken internally as well I do aply topical to the area, until I can get the book. How often should I use this ??? Have you dealt with breast cancer as well or lump node???, I also use castor oil packs, and ordered some blood root and poke root- not quite sure how often or how to use. I know it can be toxic as well, so if any one has used these info please??? I am so confused as to what to do, if I tamper with new lump what could happen. So if anyone has and is going through this your input and thoughts would be so so welcome. Thanks, kat

I feel like I am on a roller coaster and not sure when/ where to start!

Hi Kat, There is a practicing Oncologist in Rome, Italy named Dr. Tullio Simoncini, MD.

Dr. Simoncini has written a book named Cancer Is A Fungus. He has a multi-language informational website for his work with cancer: www.curenaturalicancro.com . He has developed several protocols, many of which can be accomplished at home, and they are posted on his site. Dr. Simoncini also has many (explanatory and easily understandable) videos about this, they are free to watch, posted both on Youtube and on his own site.

Dr. Simoncini's protocols are based upon the use of simple Baking Soda. Non-aluminum Baking Soda is findable at many health food stores, the brand name is Bob's Red Mill.

OK, now that I've told you about Dr. Simoncini's work wiping out many cancers by anti-fungal protocols;

On the anti-fungal concept; Dr. Simoncini's info IMHO is right in line with Earthclinic Poster (and *Biochemist Angel* :-)) Ted from Bangkok's use of fresh-squeezed Lemon or Lime juice with Baking Soda, and IMHO Ted's other excellent alkalizing and anti-fungal remedies as well. It's easy to find Ted's info by searching Earthclinic, I strongly encourage you to look into this information. Ted's remedies are both inexpensive and easy to do.

I am thinking specifically of Ted's remedy using Methylene Blue as an anti-fungal.

Also Dr. Fereydoon Batmanghelidj, MD's "Water Cure" with Celtic Sea Salt and pure water; he has a website and several books also, easily found by Googling.

In case it matters: I have nothing whatsoever to gain by any of these places, people or suggestions, other than to hope this information helps you, and others like you. I affirm that with diligence and continued research, you can become Cancer-free, as many others before you have.

I wish you the very best of Health, Kat.

Linda

Kat referring to the magnets:

It is very important which pole of the magnet is placed against your skin for this kind of thing, IOW the 2 different magnetic poles do different things within the human body. One pole is likely to help, the other one is likely to exacerbate the problem.

I hope you will please inform yourself in regards to which magnetic pole you are thinking of using and find someone who has *used* this method successfully *firsthand* before you start, so that you know you are using it the right way. North pole is different than Bio-North.

Ref your questions about Bloodroot; There is something called Black Salve, I think it may be what you are looking for. Earthclinic may even have a source posted on the page at this link:

https://www.earthclinic.com/search.html?cx=partner-pub-2476760853251960:x02k6x73rw9&cof=FORID:10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=bloodroot salve&sa=GO&echl=on&siteurl=www.earthclinic.com/cures/where_to_buy.html&siteurl=www.earthclinic.com/cures/where_to_buy.html

Also, I think you will fnd some very useful info at this earthclinic link:

https://www.earthclinic.com/remedies/hydrogen_peroxide2.html#CANCER_45757

JM $.02,

Linda

Linda, thanks for the pole suggestion as I completely forgot to mention to Kat initially to use the NEGATIVE pole for healing purposes. Most, if not all, disease states carry a positive charge, which can throw one's understanding off because bad energy should not have a positive charge from our normal perspective. I started with a refrigerator magnet and worked up to a speaker magnet. Sorry I don't have the measurements of power, but I have not had one incident of negative side effect. I also use it on my pets w/ good results. Yes, always place the negative or sticky side (the side that adheres to metal) of magnet to injury.

The hematite wrist and ankle bracelets have just recently gained much popularity because many people experience the positive healing benefits from regular ware. Magnet Therapy has been used in sports medicine for decades, speeding recovery time substantially.

Another Dr has had success with iodine and has written an excellent book which I have read. His name is Dr. David Brownstein. You can research his name on google and maybe youtube. He says the reason we get breast cancer is because we are iodine deficient. Makes sense as we are not getting it in our diet anymore.

I highly recommend reading a few articles written by the late Dr. William Philpott which can be accessed freely from arthitistrust. org: http://www.arthritistrust.org/research_documents.html. (scroll down to Philpott and then under that The magnetic Health Quarterly) My personal synthesis turns on

1. basic naturopathic protocol which is a. Avoid all toxins, detoxify, zero carb, kill parasites (papaya seeds, MSM. Iodine etc. ), high potency supplements ( mega dosed C, magnesium, codliver oil, iodine, etc.

2, Magnet therapy. Magnets kill cancer if one uses a. a powerful enough magnet, north pole negative polarity (north pole compass needle points toward magnet's north pole! ), and uses it as close to 24hrs./day as possible. Speaker magnets are ceramic and probably too weak. The magnet must also be larger than the lesion being treated. Magnetic matresses on the market are too weak and often bipolar which one must never use. My board placed under a few layers of thin rugs or folded blankets contains 65 neodymium circular magnets which are 60mm x 10mm and I regard that as therapeutically minimal. This I made myself. Philpott-designed matress boards are too expensive and too heavy but they are better (i. E. Measure 17 gauss at 8").

There are five things one should never do with cancer: biopsy, surgery, chemotherapy, radiation and computer tomography. Sink a knife in a cancer and it WILL grow. The fact of the matter is that the less contact you have with the disease industry and the more you follow naturopathic treatment modalities, the greater will be the probability that you will be healed.

Chemotherapy. I think they should take the word, "therapy", out of this term. It's only documented, proven benefit is with early, early stage cancers. How can thrashing your immune system improve your chances of fighting off this disease? There really is no statistical proof that chemo even improves long range prognosis in most cancers. There are some cancers that chemo has a modest track record. I would definately not shy away from Temador for brain tumors. Testicular cancer and some renal cancers are responsive to chemo.

Taxol has not turned out to be the silver bullet we hoped.

I do wish to say that a few doctors have combined chemo with DMSO and had much better results, only problem is the A.M.A. was very harsh on these doctors in spite of possitive clinical results.

Cancers also become resistant to chemo. There are two basic theories why, but it doesn't take a genious to figure out that cancers have high base metabolism and when their metabolism is slowed, chemo works less efficiently. Chemo targets rapidly dividing cells. Your immune system and your hair are rapidly dividing cells.

So, no surprise once you shrink a tumor with chemo, it stops shrinking at a certain point. And then eventually it become resistant to that chemo anyway. Why? Probably a metabolic process that detoxifies and excretes chemo. After all, our bodies metabolically detox ourselves and then excrete these toxins. The liver is a detox machine.

Cancer, born from mammilian cells then should follow suit. This means that anything we can do to disrupt cancers metabolic ability to detoxify itself, should be beneficial. I really think of chemo as a one shot proposition usually. Why should we not make this one shot as effective as humanly possible. Evidence suggests that almost all of these alternative therapies talked about here actually assist chemo, making it more effective. Cancer cells have no homeostatic mechanism for antioxidants and one study showed that the more antioxidants given with chemo, the more effective it became. A doctor will tell you not to take alternatives during chemo. Why? Because he was taught to say that. But heck, it's not his cancer! Think about it. You got one shot with chemo why wouldn't you pull out all the stops if you choose to go this route.

Tell your father-in-law and 3 friends with cancer & not getting any benefits from orthodox treatment to visit www.miraclemineralsupplement.org where they can download half of his book free. After working in the field a long time, I decided I would probably turn down orthodox medicines' slash, burn & poison for something that I didn't think would kill me before the cancer had a chance to. Tell them to read it diligently and decide if it sounds more favorable than what they are already doing. There are many other alternatives listed & discussed in at the www.alternativecancertreatment.com site. They might want to check them all out.

Of course, you may include it in next month's email. I don't have much more information. I'm a survivor of Her2/neu metastatic breast disease. This is an extremely aggressive form of breast cancer. It has a 100% recurrence rate. This disease was pretty much fatal until a few years back when the drug Herceptin came on the market. Now women with this disease are living quite long. I know that some people following this forum will be turned off by the fact that I'm doing chemo, did radiation and surgery, etc. But, I'm a believer that the combination of western and alternative is the best route for me. Quantum healing is a form of channeling energy to heal yourself or others. I'm new at it, but it is relaxing and anyone can do it. I've also had a distance healing from a QiGong healer and then, of course, lots and lots of prayer. I don't remember the dates of when my friend added me to your prayer page, but all of this recurrence and disappearance of the tumors has been within two months. The tumors were quite large and affected 75% of my liver. My CEA 125 (blood tumor marker) went from 22.1 down to 4.8 after just two chemo treatments. My lungs are now completely clear.

I'll be glad to answer any other questions,

Thanks again,

Kim

You are right about the water issue. Recently I want have seen major improvement to the point that lupus is no longer detectable from just doing some simple things as refraining from drinking water faucet but to use drinking bottled mineral water instead, preferably from glass bottle. In fact a condition of lupus or even cancer I have seen to improve greatly.

This issue is not just confined to the U.S., but it is occurring in many countries, if anyone really bothered to check free radical heavy metals in the drinking water with all those defective pipes and old water faucet by the time it reaches its destination the metals, bacteria and other toxins have accumulated after traveling miles of endless metal pipes, hormone altering plastics, etc.

In some countries, even if they are "developed" you just can't leave a glass water overnight, otherwise it becomes "spoiled" the next day. As a result, the cause of immunity problem is bought on by contaminated water. Some even went so far as to comment how sweet the water tastes for bottled water compared to faucet drinking water.

With lacking of analysis for dioxin, free radical heavy metals, rocket fuels, and others, I am going to assume the worse if people localy are getting sick.

Even in city where I live even with the lack of cancer, I found many places to be high in heavy metals content. Never mind about places with cancer and drinking water, that is even worse.

Therefore contaminated water where there is present cancer therefore is an immune issue, once the immune is down, viral cancer, staph infection, boils, etc. This is true whether it is autoimmunity or a sickness of cancer, or even a staph infection. You just can't cure anyone by suppressing the immune system. The real issue is to remove the cause and not just covering up the symptoms by sweeping under the rug.

If increased immunity is what you are after, the most basic issue is:

Stop drinking contaminated water, Take baking soda and lime (or lemon) formula, or Baking soda and Apple Cider vinegar formula,

To reduce fungus or staph infection or allergic skin, adding a pinch of borax is all that is needed in many cases. Borax is in my opinion a good antibiotic especially for the conditions of fungus.

Whenever cost is the major consideration and I must drink faucet water, two considerations are possible:

1. Using reverse osmosis water, and then add baking soda, potassium bicarbonate, and magnesium citrate, plus fulvic acid.

2. In cases of filtered water, I would consider at least adding 1/8 teaspoon of disodium EDTA in one liter of drinking water. It will at least remove the free radical heavy metals.

3. A weekly drinking of 6-12 drops of hydrogen peroxide, at least to remove the chemical toxins in your body. If the toxins is confirmed and I am sick. I will very likely to do this in all my drinking water for at least between 2 weeks to a month. In fact, when I first used hydrogen peroxide years ago, I was so happy that I used it for more than 2 years without a break. It is as if my chronic fatigue was eventually disappeared, along with taking baking soda and vitamin C (or lime or lemon) of course.

In a city where people drop off like flies, something simply must be done about it. We are simply sitting ducks if we just continue to do what we have always do. Habits needs to be changed.